Ebadi phonics

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Fred
by Fred
16-Mar-2010
 

The other day Lady Shirin Ebadi, bless her Nobel Laureate of a heart, had some very interesting things to say about IRR, the Islamist Rapist Republic which bears some closer attention.

Lady Ebadi proposed to the sane world to forego “economic” sanctions which hurt people and instead impose “diplomatic” ones. She suggested the diplomatic relationships should be lowered to the charge d'affaires level and no visa be issued to those IRR personnel involve in the current round of oppressing Iranian people. She also announced her approval of economic sanctions against the Revolutionary Guards.

She also talked about the possibility of changing the current Constitution of the Islamist Rapists with the proviso being:” one has to see what price people have to pay for such change”.

She further said: “Should our goal be stability for the people of Iran, we must follow the process to reach such goal. We must propose a democracy within the context of the current Constitution. In order to have a peaceful atmosphere conducive for holding a referendum, I propose an extra step for a set period of time.”

 

In other words:

Sanctions hurt people and thus no good, but against Guards who own the country’s economy it is ok?

“Diplomatic sanctions” are going to achieve exactly what?

There is a master list of those IRR apparatchiks who are responsible for the “current round” of oppression operations which can be used to deny them travel visas?

What if like all other Islamist Rapists they have multiple identities and documents and what about all the other IRR apparatchiks of the past thirty one years, are they kosher?

After all the rapes, tortures and murders it is back to charlatan Khatami and democracy within the context of the current Constitution, again?

 

http://www.roshangari.net/as/sitedata/20100315173537/20100315173537.html

 

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AMIR1973

Moosirvapiaz

by AMIR1973 on

The principal obstacle to the establishment of democracy in Iran is the garbage IRI. Or do you think that it's the US and Israel?


MOOSIRvaPIAZ

"Time for a regular democracy in Iran is right now. "

by MOOSIRvaPIAZ on

I also want the sky to rain baghala polo. Sadly it aint gonna happen.


Fouzul Bashi

classic führer logic ;)

by Fouzul Bashi on

'Democracy through airtight sanctions'

A shitty leaf out of Mien führer's book.  After importing democracy with genocidal 12 year sanctions followed by invasion and bloody occupation of Iraq, führer will rejoice in his grave once again that his disciples are hard at work  ogh 


Fred

Sheer historical ignorance

by Fred on

Mien Führer, the problem with the out of power faction of the Islamist Rapists and their clueless supporters are many, some of it based on what you’ve tried to convey here stems from sheer historical ignorance.

The current struggle for the rule of law, that is what it boils down to, is over a century old in Iran.

No mien Führer this kicking the freedom can down the road tactic of Islamist Rapists and their clueless supporters is not only illogical it is insulting to the brave Iranian nation.

The out of power faction of the Islamist Rapists need to knock that chip off their shoulders, put down charlatan Ali Shariati’s nonsensical how to be good Islamist Rapist handbooks and do something about their myopic view of Iranian nation.

Time for a regular democracy in Iran is right now.


AMIR1973

Progress, IRI style

by AMIR1973 on

So after killing off or driving into exile all non-Khomeinist political groupings--left, right, and center--the IRI is not executing as many people now, and this is considered proof of the regime's reformability? And the ostensible reform leader is none other than the prime minister during the most violent decade in Iranian history. These are the reformists? Oh, dear. IRI is still one of the leading executioners in both absolute and per capita terms. Maybe in 300 years, it will reduce the number of prescribed lashings for premarital sex by one-third in a great gesture of reform. In the meantime, the exiles should get out of the way and concentrate on beloved Palestine.


MOOSIRvaPIAZ

Fraud

by MOOSIRvaPIAZ on

freedom is not free and not something you can achieve overnight by airtight sanctioning the regime or dropping bombs on them.

there are costs to achieving democratic rights, of course you sitting in your comfortable chair in telaviv would not get it.

your way, Fred, is going to empower the regime, my way is the surest way to achieve full lasting democracy. but of course to an impatient israeli sympathizer such as yourself is just too damn long a wait.


Mardom Mazloom

Mein Früd

by Mardom Mazloom on

My Eidi for you this year is some tight stuff to please your eyes:

http://iranian.com/Anyway/2004/December/Images...

When we'll get our democracy without your fascist tight-tight solutions, I'll send you some peanuts to ease your ulcer.


MOOSIRvaPIAZ

it is pretty damn realistic if you think about it in long term

by MOOSIRvaPIAZ on

and beyond your own age threshold for one because democracy is not something you and i might witness in our lifetime.

think about how far we have come, from the 79 revolution to today. I will give you one example of how the society has changed despite all your negativity on how IR is unchangeable. executions in the 80s were a pretty common thing and despite the thousands of executions and front page stories the society at the time was pretty damn indifferent to it all. compare those years with now... every single political execution is met with public/civil activists outrage to a point where political executions in recent years have decreased.

a society as alive as iran regardless of how cruel the dictatorship is will ultimately force the dictators to bow to public pressure. it only takes time and effective activism. of course there are spoilers like Fred and neocons, and our very own hardliners inside Iran who have the potential within them to extend the lifeline of dictators.


Fred

Mien Führer

by Fred on

Mien Führer, anyone who is bold enough to say:

”(through years, decades of civil activism) is the surest and safest way to achieve long lasting democracy in Iran.”

Such person has got to be delusional, suffering from amnesia or reckless with the lives of Iranian men, woman and children who are being raped, tortured and murdered on nearly hourly basis 24/7.

It is easy to be safe and sound outside the reach of Islamist rapists and talk about the Rapists’ Constitution.

BTW you and the other Islamist Rapist supporters need to do something about Article 110 of your Constitution if you want to have a democracy in year 2099.


AMIR1973

Not realistic at all

by AMIR1973 on

What kind of pressure is it if the regime's oil money keeps flowing in? You think it's possible to use moral persuasion against Islamist animals, especially those of the Khomeinist variety? Good luck with that one. In my opinion, Just accept the IRI in all it's glory and be done with it.


MOOSIRvaPIAZ

Fraud

by MOOSIRvaPIAZ on

I never said making IR a democracy is realistic. My position has always been campaign of pressure through civil activism to gradually transition to a democracy (through years, decades of civil activism) is the surest and safest way to achieve long lasting democracy in Iran. And not your type of Iraq-style nation building (by first waging airtight sanctions to cripple the civil society and then military actions to top it off), Fred.

Again you are misinforming the public about my position Fred. I am not a supporter of this regime not am I an islamist.


Fred

Mien Führer

by Fred on

Mien Führer I quoted Lady Ebadi verbatim, you have a beef take it up with her. Then again Islamists don’t like facts do you?

ps.

Mien Führer when it comes to you Islamist Rapist supporting crowd calling for overthrow of your regime is unrealistic but making it a democracy is. If nothing else you guys are just hilariously funny.


MOOSIRvaPIAZ

AMIR1973

by MOOSIRvaPIAZ on

democracy within the IRI constitution is not the end goal, its strategy to reach the end goal. and its a pragmatic position to take and something that is more realistic than calling for the end of the regime.

The IRI constitution allows many things that could get us slowly but surely to where we want. asleh bisto haft is one of them.


MOOSIRvaPIAZ

right back at you fred

by MOOSIRvaPIAZ on

but of course you really would not care if you are misinformed. You are here to do a job, to spread a talking point. to misinform and shape perceptions on the iranian.com community.


AMIR1973

Moosirvapiaz

by AMIR1973 on

So democracy within the IRI constitution is realistic? Oh, really?


Fred

Keep on misinforming yourself

by Fred on

Again mien Führer you can and should try to paint the truth the way which makes you feel good. That is all which is left for the Islamist Rapists and their clueless supporters. But do not expect it to rub on the reality.

Keep on misinforming yourself; you are doing an excellent job of it.


MOOSIRvaPIAZ

Again no contradictions

by MOOSIRvaPIAZ on

Guards have bank accounts, specific bank accounts of key guards and officials can be frozen without harming the populace. And not everything is controlled by the guards... yet. (your suggestions of airtight sanctions will lead to them bringing everything under their full control however).

As for her call for democracy within the context of the current constitution, well its a tactic practiced by those who have realistic expectations not delusions and unrealistic expectations carried forth by people like Fred.

Do those who advocate democracy within the context... want a free society ultimately? you bet. It's the difference between armchair exiled activists who passively fight the regime with their keystrokes, idealist worldview and those who actively engage and confront the powers in Iran regardless of the difficulties and sometimes impossibilities. its a contrast between the forgotten and the heroes of the future iranian text books.


Fred

Mien Führer devil is in the details

by Fred on

Well mien Führer again what you say about what she says is not true, you might wish it to be but it ain’t.

She backs economic sanctions against the Islamist Rapist Guards; the Guards own Iran’s economy, go ahead and connect the dots you can do it.

She also warns EU about an unnamed official of the IRR who is about to come to Germany to sign a major trade deal.  And there are many other inconsistencies, not to say the least her call for “democracy within the context of the current Constitution”.

Mien Führer it is easy to play the populist card but the devil is in the details.  


MOOSIRvaPIAZ

She is against any sanctions that harms the population

by MOOSIRvaPIAZ on

there is no contradiction there. freezing the guards assets, political sanctions (if implemented effectively) are okay in my book and hers too I suspect.


Bavafa

Yeap, just about every one is clueless but our belove it Fred

by Bavafa on

The clueless would compromise of vast majority of Iranians in and outside of Iran if not all, most politicians and scholars inside and outside Iran, those who have fought the regime and have put their lives on the line like Miss Ebadi and countless others are totally clueless about Iran and the affect of sanction on ordinary Iranians. But our Fred with all his wisdom knows best what is good for Iran and Iranians. This is mainly because he lives in Iran, participate in every anti government demonstration, leads a large rally and has many followers.

Mehrdad


Fred

Mien Führer

by Fred on

Mien Führer if you had given your usual blind support of the Islamist Rapists a break and read what Lady Ebadi had said you would have seen she is ok with sanctioning the Islamist Rapist Guards.

One of my points was given the Rapist Guards own Iran’s economy her position is rather contradictory when she says she is against economic sanctions. But then again mien Führer does not do logic.  Keep it up.     


capt_ayhab

petition

by capt_ayhab on

Fred needs to spearhead a petition to strip Dr. Ebadi from her Nobel prize. How dare she oppose starvation and war on people of Iran?

 

-YT 


MOOSIRvaPIAZ

Fred hates Ebadi cuz she is against sanctions on iran for israel

by MOOSIRvaPIAZ on

... the airtight kind as Fred loves so much.


Mardom Mazloom

Cluelesslesslessless Mein Früd

by Mardom Mazloom on

For the pleasure of us all, please continue your pouncing. We promise to pounce on it too.


Fred

Pounce on

by Fred on

The pouncing of the cluelesses, keep it up.  


babak pirouzian

She means well but...........

by babak pirouzian on

At times, she is confused and out of focus. In her capacity, she must be assertive, drop generality and leave aside "bit around the bush" attitude. She prescribes keeping constitution but make changes in it!; which part she recommends to change? She MUST come up with a list of essentials , talking vague/general wouldn't help anyone and adds to confusions. Should we eliminate Rahbar's position? do we need a Rahbar? what is his job description? Should we have a woman Rahbar? if not why not?  how about eliminating Council of this and that? how about parliamentarians, should they be approved by a Rahbar, and Councils? Should women be allowed to be judges? how about value of women? should it be equal to men? can women be allowed to get her passport without permission from husband or father? should we allow polygamy, how about Sigheh? Should we consider girl at age 9 and boy at age 15 as adults, they can marry, have children, but if they vote or apply for driving license they have to be 18!!. Should we continue following Islamic Sharia judiciary law system?            Should Rahbar have veto power over and above people's wishes? The list can go on and on,  however unless she specifies what she means about "changes", we should not take her very seriously but support her fighting IRI.  

Mardom Mazloom

Areh Mein Früd jan,

by Mardom Mazloom on

* Economic sanctions against people -> no Good

* Diplomatic sanctions against IRI servants and il-legitimatizing the regime -> Good.

Inkeh Inghadar sakht nist to nemifahmi !!


MeyBokhor_Manbarbesuzan

Fred Phonics: Learning to understand Fred

by MeyBokhor_Manbarbesuzan on

yaba daba doo.

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The Flintstones Meet Rockula and Frankenstone (1979) (TV)

Fred Flintstone looking over the edge of the balcony (=abyss): I can't see the bottom with all this mist. Hey Barney (=Iranian people), want to jump down and see how far it is?


I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek

Congratulations! You're closer to hitting rock bottom

by I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek on

Constitutions are meaningless. Ask your Israeli compatriots. 

Shirin Ebadi will be president of Iran one day. You will not. Live with this idea.

Hugs,

marge 


Observing_Iran

Ayatollah Ebadi

by Observing_Iran on

Is living on another planet! 

 

http://observingiran.blogspot.com/

Independence, Freedom, Iranian Republic

 


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