Musings of a former chicken

Oon Yaroo,Your

Oon Yaroo,

Your statements reminds of my Iraqi office mate during the last year of Iran-Iraq war.  He was an Ezami student (typical to any estebdad) by Saddam Hussein regime.  Him and his family were supported by the Saddam Hussein's ministry of higher education.  On his desk he had a large glass and under the glass he had several card postals from Iraq.  One card postal contained a picture of a dam built by Saddam.  The other post card contained a picture of a high rise in downtown Baghdad.  The other post card had a picture of Iraqi girls (without hejab) working in madical school lab with their uniforms on.  One more post card showed an Iraqi female pilot receiving a medal from Saddam.  One more post card showed Iraqi girls ice-skating.  One more card had a picture of Baghdad University campus with beautiful buildings and Iraqi girls were discussing with boys while dressed very western.  The other card postal contained a picture of a square (Meydaan) with a statu of great leader in the middle and Iraqi-made cars circling around it.  One more post card had a picture of oil refinary on it.  Another post card showed female Iraqi cadets parading.  My Iraqi office mate was a carbone capy of an Iranian monrchist.  To him freedom and democracy ment nothing.  He loved Saddam for what he has done for Iraq, and all those post cards were his documents something that you should not mess with.  He made fun of me anytime I told him that the democracy could do more in Iraq.  To Americans, he always explained that how free the women are in Iraq, and that the education is free and mandatory.  He talked about the rail-roads and airports that were built under Baeet party (he was a shiea).  In particular, he was proud of the fact that the Engineering School of the Baghdad University was number one in the Middle East and that Iraq has so many great eye-doctors.  He reminded me that the Baghdad University was older than Tehran University (by the way even the Kabul University is older than Tehran university and the Tehran University is the renaming of the Darl-fonoon).  He strongly believed that without Baeat Party all these achievements (he laways pointed to the post cards) could not been possible.

God Bless Reza Shah The Great!

If it weren't for his hard work, dedication, love,and patriotism for Iran and Irani, almost all of you nice folks would be wearing bed-sheets around your head, your body, and roaming around the deserts of Iran instead of sitting in America, Canada, England, France, and the likes and making love with your bourbon and wine!?

God bless Reza Shah!

Veild Prophet of

Veild Prophet of Khorassan,

You are correct people did not act maturely.  We were not allowed to mature, because dictators feel uneasy with a mature nation.  I have few question for you and I hope you can answer me:

1.  When do you think an idiot like me will be ready for democracy?

2.  Who should certify my readiness to embrase democracy?

3.  Can you show me a Middle Eastern dictator that willingly ever relinquished the power to his people?

Brother VPK please note our Talibanist brother Tavana

is quoting from Radio Zamaneh - which is the IRI mouth-piece installed in Holland. And please don't ask him to ruin the English language AS WELL AS Farsi. 

For an Islamic democracy

Tavana Khan

Concern

If at this juncture in Iranian history, you have to even question about the contributions of Great Reza shah and what he did for a backward, khar or khorafati and shipisho fested country then situation is far worse than I think and let's hope IRI last another thousend years!

Iranians Have Been The Readiest People For Democracy!

The dominant caring and sharing culture of Iranians that I left behind thirty years ago, was the readiest culture I have known for democracy. Democracy is a system of governance with its own rules. Were Iranians ready for any form of dictatorship? I don't think so. But they have had to put up with a totalitarian system for more than three decades. It's like driving a car and traffic rules.You follow traffic rules not necessarily because you want to, but because you have to.

تشابه زن ستیزی ایرانی و اسرائیلی!

باعرض تسلیت از مصیبت وارده از اینکه این بلاگر معظم و عالیقدر و راستگو و محترم و شاهپرست! (آفتابه لگن ٧ دست!) معنی حجاب را اصلأ نمیداند و از اینکه آنرا نابخردانه «قید لحاف-پیچ اسلامی» مینامد، مقاله دلداری دهنده زیر را در اینجا و همین پایین و همینجا تقدیم میکنیم. امید است مورد علاقه ای فرد ایرانی از تبار درجه یک و دیگران شبیه ایشان قرار گیرد:
//www.radiozamaneh.com/society/women/2012/01/...

Dear Roozbeh

It is not about attacking or parsing.

It is about looking back at our history and being honest with ourselves.

It is about learning from our past mistakes and avoiding the repeat of the resulting disasters.

As you rightly have put it Reza Shah, The Shah and Khomeini are all gone and no one can bring them back.

But we need to accept our errors and shortcomings as a nation and try to improve.

In order to have a democracy we need to think and act in a democratic manner but as I mentioned before today all our so called “freedom fighters” in the opposition are at each others troth (just have another look at this site).

That is because in spite of all claim each one of them is a dictator on their own right. Their understanding of freedom is.

Freedom for only themselves, their associates and their party to be able to do anything they want without having to answer any question or face any criticism, and the hell with the rest. In fact they are more than happy to eliminate the rest if it serves their interest

That is why they can not even sit around the same table and agree of a set of principals, because they have none of their own.

This is a historical problem that more comically than tragically keep being replayed through our history of the past 150 years

Unless we can bring ourselves into having a honest none bias and critical assessment of our past actions as a nation, I am afraid the same story continues and we will go trough the same vicious circle over and over and over again

Back to constitutional revolution.

Dear AI and VPK, my response to your comment on Iranian people's readiness for democracy is the successful Constitutional Revolution and democracy we had in place already before Reza Shah took over.

BTW, Reza Shah is dead and burried now, i see no pint in attacking or praising or even debating him unless it teaches us something about what to do today. Today, in Iran, the VF dictatorship is getting more and more dictatorial and Fascistic, using the same arguments used here for Reza Shah, namely "Iranian people are not ready for Democracy". Also regarding the blog itself, I believe that emancipation of woman, the true emancipation of women, is indeed the acid test for any truely democratic system in Iran. This goes well beyond removing the hijaab. But since the -forceful- removal of Hijaab was mentioned, I believe that an emancipated woman should have the minimum right to her own attire. be it Hejaab, a mini skirt, or whatever. Nothing should be forced upon an emancipated person.

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Re rewriting history!

areyo barzan, firstly, it was not Fathali Shah, but Mohammadali Shah -- aka "estebdad-e saghir!" Moreover, no.., the constitution was still the one established by the constitutional revolution when Reza Shah was brought to power! The claims of "Mashrueh" was put to its grave along with Sheikh Fazlollah Nouri! It wasn't until Khomeini took over that "Mashrueh" was reintroduced in the constitution!

Arj

Just remember that shortly after its beginning Mashrooteh was turned into Mashroo-eh and the Majles was dominated by mullahs.

Also even the remainder of that Majles was gunned by Fath Ali Shah.

By the time Reza Shah came to power there was noting left of it and he had to rebuild all these institutions from scratch.

Furthermore in the beginning he was a republican and wanted to turn Iran into a republic but the Mullahs wanted a Shah-e Islam Panaah.

I am by no mean a supporter of Pahlavis but if you want to dismiss our own error as a nation and blame it all on one person then you have got another thing coming mate

Dear Roozbeh & VPK

Isn't it true that Reza Shah did not want to become King initially? Wasn't he forced into it?

I do honestly have to Agree more with VPK on this. Iranians were not ready for a Democracy  did not understand it and still don't understand it.  

Dear pendar

Are you just naïve, or do you like to act as if stupidity is a virtue.

Of course it was build by German contractors. But they did not do it  for free orjust out of the goodness of their hearths. It was a due to contract drawn by Reza Shah and his thorough isspection of their progress.

Just go ininvestigate the reason behine the name of Veresk bridg. furthermore, please go and read a few books and familiarise you self with our history fareand nearas I am really trough arguing with bisavaad IRI supporters

Babak

If you read my post I already said it:

You may blame lack of political maturity of people on Shah. There is some truth to it. But nevertheless people were immature. It was proved by their actions. And now here it is like it or not. 

So I am agreeing that he was responsible for people not maturing. But you are not going to convince me people acted mature.

Re propaganda

Ironically, whenever there's the slightest hint at Pahlavis' breach of human rights and despotic rules.., their supporters would cry foul and claim that "it's anciet hisoty and we shouldn't talk about the past, but future!" Yet, when it comes to propaganda in favour of Pahlavis, it's "glorious history" and so on!

On Iranian people's readiness for democracy.

I dont buy into this arguement that we needed/need a "good dictator" for Iran in form of Reza Shah/a new Reza Shah to fix our problems. Indeed I consider this as a very dangerous arguement.

 Remember that not long before Reza Shah came to power, we, in Iran, had one of the earliet constitutional revolutions in the world, successfully. That is indeed a credit to our people's desire for democracy and rule of law.

I am not surprised though that some people love Reza shah. There are people in Russia who love Stalin to this day. Same in China for Mao. But is that a proof that Mao and Stalin were good for China and Russia long term? Or they were both "good dictators"? 

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Of raah Ahan.........

The North-south railway system was a German initiative. Did you not look up at the ceiling of Tehran's railway stations? Swastika patterns were always there..........years after the Nazis had long gone..........

Veild Prophet of Kh,Your

Veild Prophet of Kh,

Your anology is competely off the wall, yet I will respond to it:

In any progressive and decent society if  parents are rough and abusive toward their children, they may lose their chidren to the social services,  because if you are a parent it does not give you the right to be abusive toward your children.  There is difference between raising a child with love and care and disipline and being abusive toward a child in the name of parenting.

I thought 50 years of Pahlavi Estebdad should have been enough for us "to mature" the way you wished, but as you know it did not happened.  You know why?  Because no dictator will tolerate a mature nation.  No bastard dictator never ever thinks that his nation is mature enough, and that is why every dictator have to be taken care of by ORDANGHI.

There is a peom about Ghadaffi that I read recently and I am going translate a couple of lines from the peom as I remember.  The peom is about the sodomization of Ghadaffi in the hands of his victims:

.................

         ......................

                  People shoved a stick into your anus,

                  your victims never have learned,

                   anything better from you,

                   they applied a technigue that they hav learned   

                   from you.....

Babak jaan

Every thing must be discussed in its own context and it the time frame and social circumstances that it occurred.

In a society that does not know any thing about modern democracy and even each one of its members is a dictator at their own home, talking about democracy is just naïve.

Even today after 80 years our so called intellectuals and political opposition in the West have not yet learned to act in a democratic manner and respect each other’s right to exist. The fact of the matter is that even today each one of these freedom fighters and advocators of democracy is a dictator in his/her own right. Even today what we know about democracy is only our own freedom and right to state our opinion and the hell with the rest we even go to grate extend to shut others up.

Democracy is not something that any ruler can inject into a society especially when the members of that society are not prepared to act in a democratic manner.

Hence I recommend to you to go back and do some studies in the state of Iranian society and our people’s mind set 80 years ago.

On the other hand Reza Shah have done many services to this country like Raah Ahan, modern education, women right, building the country’s infrastructure , roads hospitals, first modern universities and the list goes on and on. When it was much easier for him to leave us in the state we were (another Afghanistan) and staff his own Swiss bank accounts.

Good dictator

Yes there are bad and good dictators. A good dictator is like a parent. When you get old enough you don't need a dictator and go on your own. But when a society has not grown up it needs a dictator.

When you got people like Iran in 1979 you need a good dictators. If peoples idea of freedom is climbing an embassy wall they are not mature. When they follow a person like Khomeini they are not mature. When they grow up they no longer need one.

You may blame lack of political maturity of people on Shah. There is some truth to it. But nevertheless people were immature. It was proved by their actions. And now here it is like it or not. 

Fred,It seems to me you

Fred,

It seems to me you really believe that there is such a thing as a good or a bad dictator.  Feces is feces no matter how it smells. 

ISlamists in IRAN Have done two Great Jobs:

1) Weakening/removal of Islam from society

2) As you said: Hejab Discovery

Future of IRAN is BRIGHT After FAll of IRR/IRI.

Of unveiling

ایده کشف حجاب، همانقدری که به عامه ملّت تحمیل شد به خود شخص پادشاه
هم به قول معروف "زورچپان" گردید.......معمار اصلی‌ آن دگرگونی،
"تیمورتاش" بود...........به دوستان "پهلویست" توصیه میشود در این شرایط
حساس تار.یخی‌، دور از جون، از پرت و پلا گویی‌هایی‌ که احتمالاً موجب
گرفتاری برای نوه عقب افتاده رضا شاه کبیر شود، رضا شاهی که خدمات و جنایاتش در طول سلطنت
بر همگی‌ روشن است،  شدیدا پرهیز کنند.

امروز حوصله سر و کله زدن با تو نازنین را ندارم، وگرنه نمیذاشتم با اون "تئوری دیکتاتوری خوش خیم" قسر در بری...