ایران عین عراق و لیبی بشه

Fred
by Fred
18-Jun-2011
 

تو دوست داری جنگ بشه؟

نه والا

تو دوست داری ایران عین عراق و لیبی بشه؟

نه بلا

تو دوست داری مردم ایران گرسنگی بکشن؟

بمیرم و آنروز رو نبینم

تو دوست داری انقلاب بشه یه دیکتاتور دیگه بیاد سر کار؟

اصلاً و ابداٌ

پس نتیجه میگیریم که؛ باید با این رژیم آخوندا روابط عادی بشه، نه تحریم و نه تغییر رژیم؛ راهش اصلاحات تدریجی است.

بسیار عالی؛ بفرمایید مُدل این اصلاحات تدریجی شما کدام کشور دیکتاتوری خونخوار مانند ایران اسلامیست زده است؟

تا حالا این حلوا حلوا کردن در ایران چه دست آوردی داشته؟

چرا تا مملکت خودشون را به خاک سیاه ننشاندند، هیتلر، پل پات، صدام، عیدی امین و دیگر از ایندست جک و جانوران لابد اصلاح پذیر عین اسلامیست ها، تدریجاً اصلاح نشدند؟

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Triple Haji

by Fred on

Triple Haji,

You are an Anti-Semitic Islamist. Whatever the issue, you need to talk about Israel and Palestinians. If you were interested in justice, you would have had at least once, just once, talked about the plight of Syrians, Chinese Muslims, Tibetans, Polisario and ….

The fact that your humanity begins and ends with Israel-Palestinian issue is too big a red flag to hide.

As for Iranians being brutalized by your like-minded Anti- Semitic Islamists and your idea of they will eventually get over it and things will be just ok, well, it is pure nonsense.  Khodeti Haji!


Fred

NIOC Haji nuke

by Fred on

The National Iranian Oil Company, NIOC, backed Haji nuke lobbyist for the Islamist Rapists is a sack of liar.

In a long disjointed and rambling comment, NIOC Haji nuke lobbyist issues a death fatwa against me by saying in seven separate times that I, Fred, “demonize Islam.”

I don’t care about all your lies about what I have supposedly said, if you were honest, you would have cited where and when I have said what.

I also don’t care for all your Islamist “reform” nonsense, the proof of your nonsense is in the result available for all to see in Iran what you and your gang of Islamist “ reformers” have achieved, breathing time for the nuke bomb and nothing else. The rest of your nonsense is, well, nonsense.

To boot, according to yourself, it is on video, you’ve worked directly for the thieving Islamist Rapist Oil Minister.  After that employment the NIOC position that you now have was bestowed.

Therefore what a paid for lobbyist for the Islamist Rapists says does not interest me at all.  However, the exception is when the lobbyist tries to paint me as “Anti-Islam” which is a death fatwa.

So, you NIOC funded nuke lobbyist for the Islamist Rapists, prove your death fatwa with my own words, you sack of liar!

And do the same to prove your  charge agains me that I am "warmonering" you sack of liar!


پندارنیک

MM

by پندارنیک on

This is my feeling that Fred will come back at you armed with your peaceful war, and what you say about the way it has to be fought. Had I not totally agreed with you, I'd have done the same. For that you will have to come back with an answer, you owe it to your readers.

Sincerely,


Mammad

You are not interested in debate

by Mammad on

Otherwise, there are many people who can easily respond to you!

The only thing Freddo is interested in is attacking people, demonizing Islam and Muslims, and advocating war. His words and responses to others are always hateful, full of hatred for anyone who has the slightest disagreement with him.He is not here to advocate democracy, but to advocate war and destruction, and to carry water for Israel. Remember his "Long Live President Mubarak," and his nonsense about "Egyptian Army Nationalists." He was advocating the status quo, which is precisely the line taken by Israelis.

1. He protests to a commentator why he called him "warmonger." Freddo thinks that if he does not use the word "war," it means that he is not for war! George W. Bush never talked about war with Iraq either. He never uttered the word "invasion" either. He talked about "disarming Saddam Hussein," which meant war!

Why is Freddo a warmonger? Because what he advocates IS war, although the word war is not used. First, an economic war, and then, because it won't be effective AS ADVOCATED BY HIM, it will lead to physical war.I'll explain what I mean by "AS ADVOCATED BY HIM."

We know that airtight sanctions that he is talking about kills people. It killed 500,000 Iraqi children in the 1990s. Do not take my words for it. Check Wikipedia to see what UNICEF Chief said about it. And then, once killing 500,000 children was not enough, Iraq was invaded which killed at least 150,000 civilians by most conservative estimates and perhaps over a million.

2. To hide behind his true intentions, Freddo talks about South Africa. Nonsense. The U.S. and its allies never imposed "airtight" sanctions that Freddo has in mind on South Africa. Right now, as I am typing these lines, the U.S. sanctions imposed on the IRI are far tighter than anything it imposed on SA at the height of its sanctions. Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs Chester Crocker actively discouraged nations from imposing meaningful sanctions on SA, and the height of sanctions was during a Reagan administration, one of the most reactionary regimes in the US since at least WW II.

3. There is another myth that Freddo and people like him would like people to believe. That is that air tight sanctions brought down apartheid in SA. Nonsense again. Do not take my words for it. Do what I did by reading what South Africans themselves say. Read what whites and blacks in SA say. Read what the current dissidents in African National Congress say.

A summary, but check it for yourself: Apartheid disappeared simply because the whites recognized that by continuing to resist change, they will not only lose political power eventually, but will also lose every economic lever that they have. But, by giving up political power they managed to keep their stranghold on the economy and their economic might. Again, do not take this from me. Just search and read what others say.Which is exactly why there is so much dissent in the ANC.

4. Freddo also wants people believe that if someone says "reform," that means, (1) hoping that the unreformable is reformed, and (2) the reforms stop at a certain level. Nonsense again.

When people like me say "reform" they mean it as opposed to a bloody revolution. They do NOT mean it the way, for example, Khatami, tried to do it. That was tried, it had limited success, but its time has passed. What people like me mean by "as opposed to a bloody revolution" is through civil action. Civil action means a lot of things, not just demonstrations. It includes strikes, it includes not paying bills, it includes boycotting everything, all done by Iranians within Iran. That will do it. It alreadyy did it in 1979 when a tryrany was overthrown by exactly the same program. Except that this time, people are far more informed, are far better prepared, and technology helps them too.

This will indeed be tantamount to a war. But, a peaceful war by Iranians living in Iran, against the IRI, without any outside interference, except at moral level. They won't do it, unless they decide that they are willing to make the sacrifices needed, and stand by it to the end. But, once they begin doing it, victory will be at hand. This will be "airtight sanctions," but by Iranians living in Iran against the IRI, and therefore they will pay the price that they believe should be paid, if they decide so.

Now, I will not come back to this thread after posting this, because just watch what Freddo will say in response: Demonize Islam, demoniza Muslims, labeling me everything under the sun, and using innuendoes and insinuation, but not responding, item by item, to what I said in a civiized manner.

Since he has done it in the past - protesting why I sday he demonizes Islam and Muslims! - let me explain why he demonizes Muslims and Islam. In his "blogs" he uses "vohoosh-e Eslamist." Have you ever seen him saying "vohoosh-e Masihi," "vohoosh-e kalimi," "vohoosh-e hindo,"....? No. I ask, why is it not enough just to say "vohoosh," which is what they are? Why not use "khoon khaar" which is what some of them are? But, no, Freddo has to say "Eslamist" because the goal, above anything else, is demonizing Muslims and Islam.And, he considers himself as an enlightened man, never wishing to demonize Muslims and Islam, and above all, a truly democrat!

Then, he uses Haji. This is another way for him to demonize practicing Muslims. He began using it over two years ago. I pointed out that this was a racist term used by U.S. soldiers in Iraq to refer to ALL IRAQIS, which is why it was racist, and I gave the link. He stopped it for a while, but then he began using it again. A commentator uses HHH as his "name," and in response Freddo calls him triple Haji! He cannot think of any other word that begins with H, because impulsively he is an Islam and Muslim demonizer. 

Mammad


HHH

Israeli Fred ;)

by HHH on

You keep insisting that 1. One wrong makes the other wrong right!   and   2. To discuss the Palestinian issue one must necessarily discuss the Iranian issue

No and No! Israel and IRI are both on the wrong side of history and being against one does not mean that you're with the other.

Where should the borders be?  If I had the power I would've forced both Palestinian arabs and European/American jews (who call themselves Israelis) to accept a 1-nation, 100% shared, democratic country with zero consideration of race, and 1 police, 1 army for all and equal representation for all. I would've also added to the constitution a clause by which no majority would enforce separate laws on different people on the basis of race or religion.

But then that's me, and I believe in none of these man-made religions. To me humanity matters and the actions of Israel & Pali militia are pure barbaric on both side.

Iran on the other hand is a different story. Iran is in need of another "Positive dictator", someone like Reza-Shah only modern & educated, someone who forces wrong-doers to do right, forces people to educate themselves, brings national social-security for the elderly & the poor, gives equal rights to women, passes tough punishments for child-abuse & allows peaceful demonstrations and freedom of press & much much more.

As the law of nature goes, this regime will melt -down or change whichever comes first. That takes 10 to 40 more years. The only faster way of getting rid of this regime is creation of civilian armed militias & armed street-fights followed by united, mass demonstration of 3+ million citizens that will end the final resistance by basijis & Pasdars.

I see no foreign military interference in Iran because the human and financial cost of such a war is catastrophic.


Fred

Triple Haji

by Fred on

You know triple Haji, as I suggested to the rabid Islamist Palestinian crop dusters, you too should blog about what is obviously near and dear to your heart.

Write about your sense of justice and all for the Palestinians, where the borders should be and what farm goes to whom and details like that.

May be then you will get the notion to write about Iranian victims being oppressed by your likeminded Anti-Semitic rabid Islamist brethrens. Good luck.


HHH

Fred

by HHH on

You're welcome :))

I guess you Israelis are more concerned about pulling back your borders to a fair point than your back-aches and fevers.

I wonder what gave you the idea that I'm anti-semitic?! I'm a human and as a human we have some duties, one being to care for the weak the sufferers & the victims. I'm all for peaceful sharing of Palestine by Jews, Arabs & Christians but as you know jews want it all for themselves specially Beit-Ol-Moghaddas and the whole beachfront lands and farms. What right do they have to that land? If you go back 1000 years, NONE but 10% residency, if you go back 2000 years, 30% residency only in east/southeast, BUT, BUTTTT then Iran, Syria, Romans, Turks can reclaim that land back because they once owned it too, so you see, Israeli jews have no more than 10% true right to that land while they're forcefully occupying 90%.

So does that make me anti-semitic if I ask for justice?!  hmmmm


Fred

مرض و مرز

Fred


Thanks triple Haji, I should have guessed it. The misspelling of "marz""threw me off.

But given you Anti-Semitic folks are too concerned with borders of Israel, I thought the rabid Islamist Palestinian crop dusters meant border.

 


AMIR1973

Bavafa

by AMIR1973 on

If I want your opinion, I will give it to you.

You should be aware that I have every right to express my opinion whether or not you want to hear it. 


HHH

Wow Israeli Fred!

by HHH on

"Tarke adat mojebe Maraz ast" means "dropping your habit causes illness".

It's MARAZ (Desease/illness) not MARZ(border).

Have you ever lived in Iran? or you moved directly from Israel to the US?! 


Fred

Emshi emshi 2

by Fred on

The Islamist Palestinian crop-dusters should clarify what they mean by “letting go of a habit, causes BORDER”

That aside, the rabid Islamist Palestinian crop dusters should write blogs about the subject near and dear to their hearts.  This site allows two blogs per day.

If they do write blogs, they can be sure number of their likeminded anti-Semitic brethrens will flock there to empty out their venom.

ps. the Islamist Palestinian crop dusters should get a job and stop mooching off Iranian people.


Bavafa

ترکِ عادت موجب مرز است

Bavafa


Practicing a policy of what essentially has been "Emshi Emshi" of young and old, men and women of another population in their neigborhood for over 40 years, one can not expect any thing else.

You are what you are and have proven that you can not change for the last 40+ years.

Amir1973: 

If I want your opinion, I will give it to you.

Mehrdad

P.S. With that said, this was my last response to this advocacy for hate and destruction.


AMIR1973

Advocating the establishment of 21st (give or take) Arab state

by AMIR1973 on

Advocating the establishment of yet another Arab state (whether it be "Palestine", "Southern Syria", "Western Jordan" or whatever it will be called) is not a cause that any decent non-Arab should champion. If long-standing occupations are what bother you, may I suggest adopting the cause of the Moroccan occupation of Western Sahara, the Turkish occupation of Northern Cyprus or the Indian occupation of Kashmir (the latter has been present far longer and has caused more civilian deaths than the Israeli occupation). I don't believe I have read a blog or even a comment on Iranian.com mentioning any of those occupations on even one occasion. It would seem that all non-Joooo related occupations are sacred indeed.


Fred

Emshi emshi !

by Fred on

Islamist Palestinian crop dusters should write blogs about the subject near and dear to their hearts.

Whenever these crop-dusters  try to highjack another platform to spew their anti-Semitic nonsense which is powered by IRR funds, they will be challenged on the spot.

Again, the Islamist Palestinian crop-dusters should stop mooching off Iranian people, get a job and help out their terrorist Hamas brothers from their own earnings.

Emshi emshi !


Bavafa

NOTHING IS SACRED

by Bavafa on

Apparently some of our members are completely oblivious of the motto of this site, i.e. "Nothing is sacred" which has been endorsed, practiced and encouraged by the owner of the site on numerous occasion and as often practiced by Fred to push the Zionist propaganda vise e vie Iran. Or is it the case that our dear member believe Israel must be exempt from any criticism on IC, absent of his objection towards other non-Iranian related news and blogs here?

So, I'll be damned to be silence by few who may want to impose their personal belief such that Iranian-Americans must only care about the crimes of IRI and no one else, none IRI related abuse and crime should not be discussed, exposed or criticized here on IC, specially if and when those crimes are committed by Israel.

Fred:

The difference between a Zionist thug and an IRI thug is the article of clothing they put on top of their head.

I can't advise you to get a job, you already have one… working for a racist organization.

Mehrdad


Fred

Islamist Crop-dusters

by Fred on

Islamist Palestinian crop dusters have got to get a job, stop mooching off Iranian people and provide for their terrorist Hamas brothers out of their own earned funds.

Emshi !

 


Roozbeh_Gilani

israel.com

by Roozbeh_Gilani on

would be a perfect arena for pursuing any grievences against the government of Israel, if any.

I, as an Iranian, here on iranian.com, and elswhere shall maintain my 100%focus on the only terrorist entity killing, maiming, torturing and raping my people, the Iranian people: the islamist regime and refuse to be distracted, until the day one of us does not exist any longer. 

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."


Bavafa

I make an exception this one time….

by Bavafa on

To comment here in a two-blog-a-day invitation for warmongering

If logic was the guiding theme for us all, Israel is a far better candidate for a SA model then IRI

The West, if it was serious in its advocacy for human rights, democracy and freedom in Iran, they would be far more affective by first boycotting IRI oil imports, followed by a true and meaningful sanction against the criminal IRI regime.

The West, if it was serious in its advocacy for human rights and freedom for all, they would be far more affective if they would declare a true and meaningful sanction against the criminal apartheid regime in Tel Aviv until they end their illegal occupation of their neighbors land.

Mehrdad


Roozbeh_Gilani

airtight sanctions of the islamist regime, South African style,

by Roozbeh_Gilani on

is precisely what is needed to prevent the war and daily slaughter of Iranians at the hands of the fascist islamist regime,  and help Iranian people themselves to topple the islamist regime of terror.

Airtight sanctions mean a complete economic and political isolation of the islamist regime per almost identical scenario in south african apartheid regiem

The Islamist regime, fat and well funded with the oil revenue, and free to rape, torture and kill iran's best and brightest on a daily basis , is obviously terrified of such sanctions. Hence the reaction of their cyber agent on this blog and like.

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."


Sahameddin Ghiassi

مشگل ما مشگل تفرقه افکنی و تمامیت طلبی عده ای است

Sahameddin Ghiassi


مشګل ما علاوه بر جهل و خرافه پرستی و بت پرستی و تمامیت خواهی و غرور های کاذب خود محوری و خود پرستی خود بزرګ بینی و  انګشتهای دانایان وغارتګران شرق غرب جنوب و شمال است که از راه مذهبهای ګوناګون  مکتب های اجتماعی ګوناګون مردم مارا آدمک میخواهند بکنند؟ و برضد هم تحریک و تشویق میکنند؟  تعصب و غیرتهای بی پایه وغیر علمی تا مغز استخوان ما فرورفته است  دزدی و هیزی رشوه خواری و غارت را در دنیا دارند پايه ګذاری میکنند علاوه برآن نفرت و تفرقه نهادینه میخواهند بکنند زیرا میخواهند اسلحه های خود را بفروشند وبرای مواد مخدر خود بازار پیدا کنند  مسلمانان متعصبی که حتی قرآن را با معنی و درک آن نخوانده اند وتنها مقلدانی هستند مسلمان ویا هر دین دیګری دو آتشه شده اند وحاضر به کشتن و کشته شدن هستند؟    و تا روزی که ما به علم و دانش جدید معرفت و احترام به عقاید هم و به باورهای هم و تساهل و همکاری و خوبی و دوستی و عشق مجهز نشده ایم آش همین و کاسه همین است   ؟


پندارنیک

South Africa...

by پندارنیک on

 

 

The South African model is based on three columns:

1- The international concession........which is absent in IRI's case!

2- Iconic leadership from inside ......which is still in the making.

3- the Truth and Reconciliation committee.....which..........let's stop flattering ourselves....

All yours...

 


Fred

Believe what you like

by Fred on

Obviously you are free to believe what you wish. I have consistently advocated South African model where sanctions forced the racist murderers out and democracy in.

As for forgive and not forget, I believe a thriving democracy in Iran is the severest punishment one could imagine for the Islamist Rapists.


Demo

فاسقین عینی!!

Demo


تبهکاری و جنایت <عرب> و <عجم> نمی شناسد. رضا خان <عجمی> و ولدش نمونه های اخیر در فساد در ایران خودمانند. صدام <عربی> و خمینی <عجمی> به مدت ۸ سال خون اقوام خود را به زمین ریختند و حکومتهای فاسد عربی یکی این را کمک کرد و دیگری آنرا. صدام آویزان گشت و خمینی جام زهر نوشید. برنده اصلی هم آمریکا بود و بنی اسرائیل. حاکمین فاسق <عربی> هیچکدام در مورد اشغال عراق دم نزدند و حکومت فاسد <عجمی> هم برای اشغالگران فرش قرمز پهن کرد! دست <خدا> این وسط فراموش شد که به موقع خود به حساب این دو <عین> فاسق خواهد رسید!!!
"اعراب بدترینند در کتمان حقیقت و در نفاق و در ندانستن چون و چند احكامى كه خداوند بر پيامبرش نازل كرده است، و خداوند داناى فرزانه است‏ (به زیر و بم ایشان!)". (وصف حال عرب در قرآن عربی!!! آیه ۹۷ در سوره ۹).


Shazde Asdola Mirza

Fred: for some reason, I can't believe you

by Shazde Asdola Mirza on

Your writings are full of hate and anger ... I don't think that someone who has been so hurt by IRI and wants their total destruction ... can ever be happy with a Truth and Reconciliation approach as in SA.

Do you think that you can ever forgive your tormentors, and let them live side by side with you, with all their sins washed by the simple blessing of admission?


Fred

Shazde Asdola Mirza

by Fred on

Are you being facetious?

If not, where did you get the “warmongering”?

South Africa is the ideal model to follow for Iran, which I along with many others talk about all the time.


Shazde Asdola Mirza

چین، شیلی، گواتمالا، آفریقای جنوبی ...

Shazde Asdola Mirza


Communist China was 1000 times worse than the IRI under Mao ... also had global war-like ambitions and actual nuclear arsenal.

Fred: whenever you leave the path of criticism and venture into war mongering ... your writing starts to stink ... of death and blood!


پندارنیک

Simply because...

by پندارنیک on

The Third Reich, the Cambodian communist party, or Amin's Uganda failed to grow their own "Green Movement" ( or of any other color to their taste!). Now we have this movement which is solely Iranian and YES it is compatible with the religious texture of the country, it's immensely popular among the people and more importantly its leader(s) live inside the country.................Now, you have it!

Mwa, mwa