Clinton threatens to 'obliterate' Iran

Too much

//www.themiddleeastnow.com/iranthreat.html

This could go on and on.  You will pull more links that say "this"... and I will find links that say "that".  I don't seek an argument with anyone.  Perhaps you know for a fact what he meant.  Perhaps you don't.  I'm simply saying that there are always two sides to every issue.  And because I clarified the incorrect notion that Clinton was going to attack Iran come hell or high water, I was called a Zionist. 

How sad. 

Whoa... back the truck up!

Let me try and backtrack a little bit.  Until I do ALOT more research myself, I will accept for the moment that the media has mistranslated Ahmadinejad's many speeches concerning Israel.  However, surely you're not trying to suggest that Iran has an agenda even remotely peaceful towards Israel.  My initial comment was merely pointing out that Clinton did NOT make a singular statement that she was going to bomb Iran.  It followed the comments that "if Iran attacks Israel....".  If in fact Iran has no plans to attack Israel... then, no worries. 

My follow up comment is a response to my being called a Zionist.  I repeat... this board has an ongoing habit of accusing people of being "something"... whether Zionist, or IRI supporter or whatever, whenever they disagree with someone else's opinion. 

My friend... let US not fall into the same "he said/she said" trap that the Middle East and the West have been suffering through for so many years.  I appreciate your efforts to educate me... to explain the incorrect translations.  I want nothing more than to be fair.  I expect that in return as well.

False Iran did not Threaten Israel!

Ahmadinejad did not threaten Israel, as usual the media has manipulated and mistranslated his statements.

So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in farsi: "Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."

That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "Regime", pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime.

This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem).

So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh", is not contained anywhere in his original farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech.

Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's President threatened to "wipe Israel off the map", despite never having uttered the words "map", "wipe out" or even "Israel".

Want more proof please look at the following web-sites and read the entire speech and its actual translation as opposed to the version the media would like the American people to believe.

Lost in Translation:

//thiscanadian.typepad.com/this_canadian/2007...

The Rumor of the Century:

//www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&...

By: Prof. Juan Cole Univ. Michigan
//www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17...

From the Guardian:

//www.bsharriyouth.com/index.php?option=com_j...

Ahmadinejad: Wiping Israel off the map?

By Virginia Tilley professor of political science Univ. of Johansburg,South Africa

//www.safecom.org.au/iran-israel.htm

I think you have enough reading, and if these are still not satisfactory to you, then it is your own desire to read into words as you like them to be.

However, let's make it clear way before Ahmadinejad came into power, Israel did threatent to wipe Iran off the Map:

-Israel has as early as 1992 prepared public opinion in Israel for the prospect of a war with Iran. In this respect it has also continuously used propaganda to provoke the U.S. and the West to take action against Iran. (Open Secret: Israeli Nuclear and Foreign Policy by Israel Shahak – February 24, 1993)

-Guardian Unlimited – Straw rejects Israeli call for attack on Iran – Tuesday November 5, 2002

“The Foreign secretary, Jack Straw, today dismissed an Israeli call to attack Iran immediately following a strike on Iraq, and called a war on Iran the “gravest possible error.”

“In an interview in today’s Times, the Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon, identified Iran as a “centre of world terror”. Mr. Sharon advocated military strike against the country as soon s the U.S. and Britain had completed their proposed attack on Iraq.”

-In early 2002, a senior Israeli delegation arrived in Washington D.C. which included both Ariel Sharon and his defense minister Benjamin Ben-Eliezer. Ben-Eliezer met with VP Cheney on February 8, and emphasized that Israel’s number one concern was Iran, not Iraq; and Ariel Sharon met with President Bush - he indicated that if the U.S. intends on invading Iraq it should finish the job by invading Iran; as for Israel Iran posed a greater threat!! (Scott Ritter - Target Iran)

… In late April 2003, [the Israeli daily] Ha’aretz reported that the Israeli ambassador in Washington was calling for regime change in Iran. The overthrow of Saddam, he noted, was ‘not enough’. In his words, America ‘has to follow through. We still have great threats of that magnitude coming from Syria, coming from Iran.’ The neo-conservatives, too, lost no time in making the case for regime change in Tehran … As usual, a bevy of articles by prominent neo-conservatives made the case for going after Iran

And ever since, Israel has been using whatever pretexts to create an atmosphere of hysteria and demonization of Iran; and of course has used its strong Israel Lobby to gather support for an invasion of Iran.

It is a joke to consider Iran a threat, when it is Israel who has 200 to 500 nuclear weapons. In fact the only country in the Middle East with nuclear weapons who can obliterate all of the countries in the region.

It is Isreal who has the 4th largest and most sophisticated army in the world, and not Iran.

It is Israel which has not signed the NPT, nor has it signed the 1972 Treaty for banning the use of chemical weapons, Iran has!

Iran has called for a nuclear free Middle East, Israel has not agreed to this!!

It is not Iran who has invaded or occupied any country, but Israel!

With nuclear weapons, and such a strong military I hardly think Israel needs the U.S. help to obliterate Iran.

Iran is not a threat to Israel, you have it wrong, it is the other way around, Israel is a threat to Iran, Syria, and any country which does not play by its rules.

And yYes, for God's sake Israel should stop playing the part of the victim. The entire Middle East can't be blown up to satisfy Israel's pscyhological disorder!

Zionist?

Excuse me? 

 "Zionism:  A Jewish movement that arose in the late 19th century in response to growing anti-Semitism and sought to reestablish a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Modern Zionism is concerned with the support and development of the state of Israel."

How dare you use the words "Jesus... save us all from Zionists".

What do you know about me or my beliefs.  Again and again, you (general term) accuse people of zionism, supporters of the Islamic Regime, and any other term which disagrees with YOUR belief.

Argue my comments all you want, but please spare yourself the humiliation of sounding like a fool when you accuse ME of being "anything".

Iran HAS threatened Israel.  PERIOD.  I will be one of the first people standing at the forefront protesting ANY attack on Iran or ANY country which does not deliberately provoke such actions.

Tonya NO

What kind of people are you Zionists? Man enough is enough. It's not enough that you guys have demolished the beautiful lives of innocent Palestinians, now you want to go after a powerful nation such as Iran? Are you insane?
To answer your question, NO. Iran has said and rightly so that the policies of Israel would make Israel (As a regime) to be gone. That's not too shocking. Are you implying that you have not heard Israelis threaten Iranian security over and over, including the murderer Natenyahoo?
If you know Persian then this would explain your mentality the best: roo keh nist, sang e paa ghazvine. Jesus saves us all from Zionists.

Are you serious?

"Clinton's support for the regime comes as Tehran has never declared any program to launch a military attack on Israel."

I'm sure I'm misunderstanding your last comment.  Are you implying that Iran has NOT verbally and specifically threatened Israel?