When The Holocaust Goes Down the Memory Lane ...

When The Holocaust Goes Down the Memory Lane ...
by Darius Kadivar

Does History Matter ? The recurrent resurgence of denials of the Reality of the Holocaust by the younger generation, dishonest History revisionists, Neo Nazi or Far Right Political parties in Europe but also by some world Leaders like our own President Ahmadinejad of Iran makes me sometimes wonder if the preservation of our collective memory can have any influence in avoiding the repetition of the wrongs of the past. I wish I had the answer but I don't ... 

The former Nazi death camp of Auschwitz-Birkenau, where more than a million people were killed in World War II, faces an uncertain future.

Pawel Sawicki of the Auschwitz Museum explains the problems of preserving the ageing and crumbling 191-hectare site, with limited funds.

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by Zion on

I didn't mean to build something there as a memorial. I agree with you on that. What I meant was that Auschwitz, as it has been preserved and open to public until now, is more comparable to a memorial than a tourist attraction. It is a place for people to visit and experience for themselves and by this keep the memory alive.

I also agree with your point. Let's hope it remains the last and only one of its kind, for all people and all communities.

anonymous fish


by anonymous fish on

yes, i agree with you on that.  don't worry though.  someone will come up with some "media bias" conspiracy though.

if you read the article online the other day, it (as i said below) had very good arguments for and against preserving the existing buildings.  is there currently a central location for artifacts?  i would have to think there is but i'm not that familiar with it.  perhaps robin knows more.  there was something about letting nature reclaim the ruins that i liked but i'm far from being a voice to decide.  i can say this though.  the thought of a "memorial" per se turns me off BIG TIME.  what?  a pretty marble oblisk saying... what?  no, that would offend me.  its either maintain the ruins for public visitation or let them just decay on their own. but the thought of a modern fixture in that place of horror would be an insult (to me, mind you).

Z.   we can only hope that the Holocaust was a one time historical event.  the constant comparisons to admittedly horrific current events is beyond disgusting.  i'm sorry for the palestineans, the somolians, the africans... whomever.  i am appalled at the very words and can't help but question the sanity of someone who compares anything else to it. and thats the final on that political subject.  i apologize for stepping outside the box.


What I think

by Zion on

What I mean is, for being the "rulers of the world" it sure is odd that preserving their "biggest lie" is met with so much problem due to lack of funding and all that.

I want to see it preserved and open to the public to visit indefinitely. You can call it tourism or whatever you want, but it is a memorial and it is important for people around the world to be able to go there and experience its atmosphere first hand. After all, the Holocaust was a one time historical event, remember?

anonymous fish

what do you mean?

by anonymous fish on

and what do YOU think?  do you still have family that is affected by or needs the visible reminders?  i hate the idea of it being a museum for tourists and think all artifacts should be saved... but what about the structural remains?

i'd very much like to hear your thoughts.


So much...

by Zion on

.. for all the "power" of zionists and Jews who "rule the world".


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anonymous fish

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by anonymous fish on

your comment regarding the "three generations" is interesting.  for sure what comes down through the ages is both difused and fragmented.  stories of the potato famine in ireland seem so... automatic... now.  not much different than what you'd find online.  but every once in awhile you find an older relative who remembers something more personal... something more heartbreaking.  ABSOLUTELY the artifacts should be preserved.  i'm not sure how i feel about letting people visit.  the idea of it being a tourist attraction sickens me.  but then there are those who simply need to experience it for themselves. 

have you ever been to Ellis Island?  what an experience THAT is.  not on the same par but a very emotional experience in itself.

Dee Snider

Interesting post.

by Dee Snider on

Historical examples tend to be heeded by about three generations at most.  those who experience the events tell their children, and they in turn tell theirs, but no one wants to listen to older people, and so lessons are lost.  It's actually amazing that younger people have any concept of the holocaust at all, let alone heed any of its lessons...  

As for Berkinau, leave it alone.  Keep people out of it.  I don't think a place can recover from events like that as long as people keep going there to remember.  It would be great if the artifacts could be moved to a real museum and the camp totally documented.  Then just fence it off and let it rot and fall.  Some things don't need to be monuments.

Darius Kadivar

anonymous fish

by Darius Kadivar on

Thank you for your comment. I agree with your assessment that we should leave itt mother nature and one day maybe only a commemorative statue or plate would do. But it is at the same time very sad to see that memory is something fragile even when the most vital part of our collective past which explains alot dissappears. We do have the movies and the documents but that will only give us a virtual feeling of what it could have been. Nothing can replace walking in the place even if with time it looks too "clean" ! ...

Most of Those who survived it remember the Undefinable Smell .... that of the ovens used by the Nazis to burn the bodies.

God Bless the poor souls who died there. 

anonymous fish

thanks Darius

by anonymous fish on

i actually saw this, and another article, online yesterday about Auschwitz.  the arguments for and against it's destruction were very convincing.  i think my stance is to leave it as is.  when the last survivor dies, it should revert back to nature.  i am against tearing it down.  not because i think it will be forgotten but i absolutely think that there should be something left for people to visibly see. 

roman ruins and of course persian ruins evoke such a massive emotional feeling.  these should as well.

to anyone who still denies the holocaust or compares it to any other situation... shame on you.