HISTORY FORUM:The Monarchy with David Starkey (Cambridge University)

HISTORY FORUM:The Monarchy with David Starkey (Cambridge University)
by Darius Kadivar
17-Oct-2009
 

An interesting and often humorous Lecture at The University of Cambridge by Dr. David Starkey on the significance of the Monarchy. More than the biographies of the kings and queens of England, this lecture is an in depth examination of what the English monarchy has meant, in terms of the expression of the individual, the Mother of Parliaments, Magna Carta, the laws of England and the land of England.The importance of the rich heritage of the Anglo Saxon kings is featured but it does not stop there. This is the history of ideas and ideals, as well as colourful characters.

David Starkey Lecture given on September 29th, 2009 Cambridge University:

About David Starkey:

David Robert Starkey, CBE, FSA (born 3 January 1945) is an English historian, a television and radio presenter, and a specialist in the Tudor period. More on him Here
 

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Farah Rusta

میرزا چغندر = فغان

Farah Rusta


Aren't you bored with this stupid mascarade? Grow up!

 

FR


maziar 58

ARE WE GETTING THERE........?

by maziar 58 on

very interesting and intelectual analyzes (marx in reverse) as the circle of socio pattern and again returning to the same point somewhere again.....

But are the same maturity applies to our Iranian heritage ? I sure hope so because  majority of Iranians inside and out side have  gained or been fed that mature culture.

the ones who do not want Iran returns to its right place in the civilized world are the taliban likes cruising in westwood blvd. and sipping cappucino .........Maziar


ThePope

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by ThePope on

DK jaan,
very interesting indeed.
Thx for sharing; worth every minute...

 


میرزا چغندر

Royal hermaphrodite

by میرزا چغندر on

Having fun with people's names and avatar, seems not to be your only source of entertainment which is, in and out of itself, a sign of desperation. Perhaps habitually, you configure your own past remarks in any fashion which suits your purpose; just for fun as well.

You seem to be one of those who left Iran, in case you ever were there, before the revolution or, almost immediately after it; which makes you somewhat alien to Iranian affairs; I don't intend to insult you when I say there's a bunch of you out there. Some get paid by "saying", some by"writing" and some, like you, get paid by "clicking". Who am I to say if there is something wrong with that? Every one has to make a living. I dare say, however, since your source of information is 2nd. hand,at best, and your point of view is ridiculously, and mybe naturally, biased, your conclusions are tailored to satiate a predetermined audience only; without any public appeal. Americans will never trust you; they are still paying for trusting Chalabi.

If one had a real root in Iran, as in its people and its culture, then he/she woud've never needed some "Sazgara"s and some "Milani"s etc. tell him/her how to think and what to do.

Now, I have to get myself ready for another proletariat week of my life; therefore, my reply to your next post directed to me , if any, will be belated.

BTW; I don't mind your name calling and kinky innuendoes; just spare me of LOL or :>)) thigs. That's for teens. I need mature foes. Still up to you.

 


Ostaad

Mirza, maadar-e foulaadzereh is...

by Ostaad on

simply projecting her "lumpeness" onto millions of descent Iranians in order to hide the raw sewage odor caused by her brainfarts.

Benross is simply following his/her nose, that's all. 


Farah Rusta

Lesbo Laboo

by Farah Rusta on

There is no end to how many colorful combinations one can make out of your name/avatar LOL.

First, have I ever denied that the Shah's government restricted freedom of press and speech? So you see Laboo the real fool is you. Second, Pasdaran, as a post revolt militia, was conceptually created and planned for long before the revolt - ask your friend Sazegara.  Its members were recruited and found amongst the lumpen who performed the initial atrocities and did the dirty jobs of the new regime. Ask your other friends Ganji and Ahmadinejad. Third, Hoveyda chose to stay behind and didn't leave the country when he was allowed to do so. Ask my friend Abbas Milani. Fifth, so tacitly you accept your lack of knowledge (LOL). Sixth, my mentor authorized me to open his mail. Last, Edward the first is your favorite because like you he was an anti-semite!

 

FR


میرزا چغندر

To:Tranny C/O Benross

by میرزا چغندر on

a):You might as well notice your own admission that: Shah implemented a rigorous exercise of censorship before Carter's time. He, being such a puppet, without genuine knowlege of the complexity of transitional period from a dictatorial government to a superficial, American style, democracy lifted the lid so quickly that blew his own face off.

b):One has to be in state of total denial in order to count millions of people who, directly, participated in "the revolution" as lumpen. formation of Pasdaran occurred long after Shah had fled the scene, taking his dog, and of course his money and, leaving his "head servant", Hoveida, locked up. 

c):There is an obvious distinction between knowledge, of lack of which you accuse me, and distorted interpretation of data, to which you resort. 

d):Didn't your mom ever tell you that, you shouldn't open anyone's private mail, be it that of your mentor's?

PS. Did I ever tell you that, King Edward I of England is my favorite king?

 


Farah Rusta

Ironically ...

by Farah Rusta on

The Shah was brought down only AFTER he relaxed the restrictions on the press censorship and freedom of speech and gathering - thanks to Jimmy Carter's so called human rights agenda!! And lumpen found its true meaning in the very people who spearheded and later guarded the anti-Shah's revolt, the Pasdaran. 

Laboo Lips, your education is far from finished darling.

 

FR


میرزا چغندر

Benross; definitely private and not necessarily confidential.

by میرزا چغندر on

Usig the flag button as a tool for censorship is a definite sign of weakness.

That's the very same mentality which brought the Pahlavis to their ultimate and well-deserved demise.

As for the meaning of "lumpen", without a doubt, you are speaking with total knowledge and authority. They helped your Shah back on his bloody throne. 


benross

Lumpen Mirza

by benross on

Have you ever wrote anything -anything at all- that worth reading?

Lumpen in Sabzé Maydaan has a social definition. Lumpen outside of the country is just a sad sad piece of failure. It might help if you visited the other blog that is discussing the bullying phenomena. But coming out here arbadé keshaan, calling for a nafaskesh, asking Darius not to hide behind Farah... it's not even a good caricature.

I flagged a couple of comments in this blog hoping to clear the space for an interesting discussion about the content of this lecture. But it seems that the only function of these flag buttons is to turn from blue to black!

Anyhow, if what you are presenting here is what you want the world understand as who 'Iranians' are, you will not succeed. You will not succeed on anything I'm afraid. 


Farah Rusta

Darius needs no defence

by Farah Rusta on

As a gentleman that he is, he simply ignored the riff-raffs who have nothing better to add to his blog than their customary claptrap. I simply chose to use the occasion to say hello to a few old friends and to a newly renamed and revamped old friend - Mirza beetroot aka Laboo Lips - lol.

 

FR


میرزا چغندر

VJ & The prune face granny

by میرزا چغندر on

Wretched is the one who needs a prune face to defend him.

Wretched is the one who has no real job, living on the state's handout.

Wretched is the one who is stuck on the destructive course of an inevitable historical event.

Wretched is the one who has no root in the land where he/she was born.

Remember; I stayed polite and fair; until granny took over your shift.

 

PS. The second line should read...the state's handout and donations made by the Pahlavis.

If it has to be monarchy, we vote for our own next King Edward I. 

 


Darius Kadivar

Thank You Farah Jaan Ignore these naughty rascals ...

by Darius Kadivar on

They need a baby sitter ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePHQFOLGCsI 

beechareha they have no manners ! They Need to Grow Up !

Thank you Farah Jaan  for your kind Support and Interest as always,

Warm Regards,

DK


فغان

Farah flew over the cuckoo's nest

by فغان on

How's the the therapy going? Last time we met you needed a straightjacket after a nervous breakdown.

Take it easy granny. I've been doing my best to respect your age and everything by ignoring you since you made a fool out of yourself last time.

You don't have to act like "Pari Bolandeh" even if you feel the impulse to be treated like her.

Act according to your age and remember;

The Pahlavis must disclose the source and the amount of their wealth.   


میرزا چغندر

Mind your own business; prune face

by میرزا چغندر on

VJ, aka Dk is a grown man. I was not talking to you, village girl. 


Ostaad

maadareh foulaadzereh...

by Ostaad on

raises her ugly head again and fills the thread with raw sewage straight from the cesspool she calls her head.

BTW, I am not referring to you, Farah Rusta! Just chill.


Farah Rusta

An absolutely fascinating lecture

by Farah Rusta on

Thanks Darious jaan for choosing such a entertaining as well as educational lecture. As for some of the comments on this blog here is what I have to say:

 

Mirza beetroot:

Ask for your money back. Clearly your ESL courses didn't deliver:

Not "history of the mankind" but "history of mankind", and I suppose you are trying to say:" perhaps in Pahlavists' books all of these democratic things are just a
bunch of privileges which can be revoked as soon as the social elite
feel threatened by them."

Oostaa:

You may look like an ass but you don't need to sound like one! You waste JJ's server space more than you should, don't worry about DK's share :)

 

Afghan joon,

First prove there is a wealth there, then see if you can find its source :)) Are you still stuck on Gin and T? 

 

FR


فغان

Never call it an old tune...

by فغان on

The Pahlavis must disclose the source and the amount of their wealth.


میرزا چغندر

قهر،قهر تا روز قیامت

میرزا چغندر


You are not serious; are you? I thought RP2 was advocating democracy and freedom of speech, freedom of expression and, so forth; or, perhaps in Pahlavists' book all of these democratic things are just bunch of privileges which can be revoked as soon as the social elite feels threatened by them.

Couldn't you, at least, pretend practicing what you allegedly preach?

 

P.S.  Please notice that I promoted your status from Video jockey to an elite.

 

 


Ostaad

Darius, seriously...

by Ostaad on

As a person who has nothing against a useful and democratic constitutional monarchy, I think your malijak-like "Pahlavism" is not doing "the cause" any service.

Hard-wired or not, NO Iranian dynasty has been restored to the throne by the Iranian people once its last shah got the boot. The "Spanish model" will not work in Iran, specially when the ousted dynasty was a two-king dynasty, both of whom were taken out by Iran's enemies or ousted by the people, and the heir is a slacker and a sorry excuse for a human being! 

Having said that, I'd go along with the possibility of starting a new Diba dynasty (;<{)

On another note Darius, stop being so nazoknarenji. If you expect those who agree with you to respond to your posts only, so you guys can do "ghorboun sadagheh" each other, then why don't you email your brainfarts to these "hamkeeshaan" and stop wasting JJ's precious Internet bandwidth and server storage capacity?!!! 


Darius Kadivar

Thanks benross jaan

by Darius Kadivar on

Glad you enjoyed the lecture. One doesn't have to agree with everything he says but its always interesting to hear a different viewpoint particularly when it is coherently argumented and with an open minded approach.

Have a nice weekend,

D


Darius Kadivar

میرزا چغندر You still avoid answering the question ...

Darius Kadivar


So next time don't bother polluting my blog. Just post your own views elsewhere.

Best,

DK


benross

True British humour and very

by benross on

True British humour and very interesting lecture. Thank you Darius.

It was intriguing that addressing an American audience, he says we are all hardwired to monarchy. It has at least some resonance with Iranian psyche.


میرزا چغندر

Instead of History classes, you went to the movies; right?

by میرزا چغندر on

Some wish they could rewrite the history of the mankind ; they are childishly  fantasizing; and, then,  there are those who are willing to learn from it. History simply follows the law of cause and effect. Really simple.


Darius Kadivar

میرزا چغندر No you haven't hit a decisive cord ...

Darius Kadivar


I wasn't speaking about RP2 I was asking WHY You chose Edward Ist amongst the numerous other Kings and Queens of England.

Do you Care to develope or just leave it there ?

Best,

DK


میرزا چغندر

Doesn't RP2 pay for ESL courses?

by میرزا چغندر on

Perhaps you mean :you want me to elaborate on what attracted me to...

I must 've pinched some sensory neurons by my choice of a decisive King.


Darius Kadivar

میرزا چغندر thank you but could you develop ?

Darius Kadivar


Thank you for your interest. Could you develop what attracted you in this English King in particular ?

DK

 


میرزا چغندر

A visionary King

by میرزا چغندر on

I have no problem with monarchy if someone like King Edward I is on the throne.