Diplomacy for War

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Daniel M Pourkesali
by Daniel M Pourkesali
22-Feb-2008
 

Reuel Marc Gerecht's opinion piece in the New York Times yesterday titled 'Attack Iran, With Words' advocating diplomacy with Iran may have taken some readers including this one by surprise given his resident fellowship credentials at the American Enterprise Institute. Not that there is anything new and earth shattering about the concept of engaging in dialog in order to resolve differences between nations. But is it possible that these people finally got a whiff of what the rest of us call 'Common Sense'?

Well, after reading the article the answer is still a resounding 'no'.

The current administration has paid a lot of lip service in the last few years to the notion of a diplomatic solution while continuously preparing public opinion through media spin on a path toward war with Iran. But that was three months and one very damaging National Intelligence Estimate ago. Strangely enough, the new neo-con strategy seems to be calling for real diplomacy not for the sake of preserving peace but rather to revive the vanishing and increasingly unpopular idea of using military force because as Gerecht puts it "the current approach isn't working". He goes on to suggest that "we must find a way to restore the resolve of all those parties [China, Russia, Germany, Britain and France] to hit Iran with a tsunami of sanctions if we are to diminish the victorious esprit in Tehran and the centrifuge production at Natanz."

And as for those "praying for the clerical regime to do something stupid" he dashes such hopes by stating that "[Iranians] will likely play it sufficiently cool to make it difficult for the United States to strike them pre-emptively. Thus the best reason to offer to begin talks with Tehran is that the regime will almost certainly refuse any offer to normalize relations."

So his recommendations for talking is not for the old cockamamie idea of engaging Iran in a wide-ranging dialog that would recognize its regional role or address any security or geo-strategic concerns, but "something that must be checked off before the next president could unleash the Air Force and the Navy."

And if you still have any doubt as to what he is exactly suggesting, he spells it out in black and white for you: "To make the threat of force against clerical Iran credible again, there needs to be a consensus among far more Democrats and Republicans that a nuclear-armed Iran is intolerable. If the White House tried more energetically to find a diplomatic solution to the nuclear threat, if it demonstrated that it had reached out to Iranian "pragmatists" and "moderates," and that again no one responded, then the military option would likely become convincing to more Americans."

Well this writer is certainly convinced. After 6 years of saber rattling and refusing to talk, except for making threats, moving a third of the U.S. naval arsenal to the Persian Gulf and accusing Iran of helping Iraqi insurgents without presenting a shred of evidence, who knew diplomacy could be such a powerful tool for war.

 

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Zion

Now I`m sorry I even talked to you Anonymous...

by Zion on

Seriously. All these facts of yours, irrefutable facts of your favorite French site: Jews responsible for 9/11, the synagogue of satan, neocon cabal, jews responsible for armenian genocide, Jews committing ritual murder, Jews in charge of Ukraine, Jews committing pedophilia in high ranks of the US government, the very reliable sources like Protocols of elders of Zion... Oh, and here are the evil ones admitting to their evil plans themselves:
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XrRyqses5U&eurl=ht...
You can use it for next time.

You will continue serving humanity by exposing us, won`t you? You shall not stop and you shall not let reality get in your way ever. That`s the boy. If you ever needed a good psychiatrist, just let me know. Otherwise Good luck.


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Anonymous ... YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY!

by AnonymousBX (not verified) on

You will get some credibility when:

1) You acknowledge the Arab Atrocities committed. There are two sides to this conflict.

2) When you stop the racist propaganda re the origins of jews.

3) When you start acknowledging the the IRI does not want peace between Israel & Arabs. IRI's actions speak for themselves.

Otherwise, please go join your Basiji brothers in the IRI. The West will soon kick your smelly Koons and I want you to be there to witness it. Bache Engelabi!


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LAST entry on this thread. I will let FACTS do the talking …

by Anonymous ... (not verified) on

(read bellow)


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Look at the FACTS to see "What is Israel`s real crime?"

by Anonymous ... (not verified) on

Facts and nothing but facts

Every thing I have mentioned is rooted in FACTS and not a merely a matter of an opinion.

1) As Far as Ashkenazi Jews being Khazars, there are volumes of scholarly work that document this FACT. There are extensive Linguistic
(Turkic, or Ugric words that are traced to Khasarian origins) and various customs of modern Ashkenazi Jews can be traced to Khazariac

Please look here for more information

//www.khazaria.com/

2) As far as 911, you do not have to take my word for it.

The premier of a major European government and the birthplace of European civilization, The Ex-Italian President, Francesco Cossiga- has said that Intel Agencies Know 9/11 was an Inside Job.

Cossigafs new revelations appeared last week in Italyfs oldest and most widely read newspaper, Corrieredella Sera. Below appears a rough translation.
(LINK Below)
//www.corriere.it/politica/07_novembre_30/osa...

Former Italian President and the man who revealed the existence of Operation Gladio Francesco Cossiga has gone publicon 9/11,
telling Italyfs most respected newspaper that the attacks were run by the CIA and Mossad and that this was common knowledge amongst global intelligence agencies.

[Bin Laden supposedly confessed] to the Qaeda September [attack] to the two towers in New York [claiming to be]the author of the attack of the 11, while all the [intelligence services] of America and Europe c
now know well that the disastrous attack has been planned and realized from the CIA American and the Mossad with the aid of the Zionist world in order
to put under accusation the Arabic Countries and in order to induce the western powers to take part c in Iraq [and] Afghanistan.h

3) As Far as Israelis looking at Palestinians as subhuman, look at the history and the facts ... (more bellow)
video evidence

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=73jBeL0kDBc&eurl=ht...

4) What is Israel`s real crime?

Israel's War Crimes against Palestinians i.e. "grave breaches" of the Fourth Geneva Convention
Israel's Crimes Against Humanity against Palestinians

unlawful killings, torture, extensive and wanton destruction of property, obstruction of medical assistance and targeting of medical personnel.
willful killing of Palestinian civilians by the Israeli army and Israel's illegal paramilitary ;settlers
Amnesty International has accused Israel of committing war crimes in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip.

I have presented historical and factual information and not opinion.

You can interpret them as you like i.e. minuscule wrong somewhere to blow it up as horrendous newshc
But for those Palestinians (and Iraqis) who have suffered and murdered nothing is minuscule c and the fact remains Israel supports WAR with Iraq. and Iran..

Let us review historical FACTS and events... FACTS are FACTS ...

The following list of massacres is by no means exclusive, but they reflect the nature of the Zionist occupation of Palestine and Lebanon and show that massacres and
expulsions were not aberrations that happen in any war, but organized atrocities with only one aim, that is to have a Zionist state which is 'goyim rein'.

((//www.soundofegypt.com/palestinian/adult/mass...))

The King David Massacre
The Massacre at Baldat al-Shaikh

YEHIDA MASSACRE
KHISAS MASSACRE
QAZAZA MASSACRE
The Semiramis Hotel Massacre
The Massacre at Dair Yasin
NASER AL-DIN MASSACRE

THE TANTURA MASSACRE
BEIT DARAS MASSACRE
THE DAHMASH MOSQUE MASSACRE
DAWAYMA MASSACRE
HOULA MASSACRE
SHARAFAT MASSACRE
Salha Massacre
The Massacre at Qibya
KAFR QASEM MASSACRE
Khan Yunis Massacre
The Massacre in Gaza City
AL-SAMMOU' MASSACRE
Aitharoun Massacre
Kawnin Massacre
Hanin Massacre
Bint Jbeil Massacre
Abbasieh Massacre 
Adloun Massacre
Saida Massacre
Fakhani Massacre
Beirut Massacre
Sabra And Shatila Massacre
Jibsheet Massacre
Sohmor Massacre
Seer Al Garbiah
Maaraka Massacres
Zrariah Massacre
Homeen Al-Tahta Massacre
Jibaa Massacre
Yohmor Massacre
Tiri massacre
Al-Naher Al-Bared Massacre
Ain Al-Hillwee Massacre
OYON QARA MASSACRE
Siddiqine Massacre
AL-AQSA MOSQUE MASSACRE
THE IBRAHIMI MOSQUE MASSACRE
THE JABALIA MASSACRE
Aramta Massacre
ERETZ CHECKPOINT MASSACRE
Deir Al-Zahrani Massacre

Nabatiyeh (school bus)  Massacre
Mnsuriah Massacre
The Sohmor Second Massacre
Nabatyaih Massacre
Qana Massacre
Trqumia Massacr
Janta Massacre
24 Of June 1999 Massacres 
Western Bekaa villages Massacre:

A brief history of Israel
//www.dailykos.com/story/2006/7/16/165555/760

If Americans Knew
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVBIzu4YvnE&feature...
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8-rWE53EVA

Zionist War Crimes - The Case for the Prosecution7
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_CCH9cLP18&feature...

Your Neocon/Israeli buddies have been calling for war with Iran. They actually declared their intent of war by advocating "Iran as real enemy instead of Iraq" c

I have no problem with Iran having friendly relationship with Israel some time in the future but only after a peace agreement with the Palestinians.

As a first step toward peace at least acknowledge the facts. You have to face the truth about Israel and stop denying the facts.

For sake of humanity and your own future, I hope, you will work for peace with Palestinians the alternative is unthinkable 

entry on this thread. I will let FACTS do the talking ...


Zion

How do YOU live with yourselves?

by Zion on

How can you live with such hate all the time?
The Jewish people has not built our homes on the blood of anybody else, She has built a free society on her motherland, asking, begging, for peace and cohabitation from the arabs in the area, putting up with murder and barbarism against our people, responding with care and restraint against the perpetrators, putting our young ones in diabolically harmful situations to prevent as much as it is possible the loss of innocent lives among the arabs who wanted all Israel thrown and drowned in the sea.
How can you live with yourself, propagating such devious lies to instigate hatred? The people who keep slandering Israel falsely, calling Zionists and Jews Khazar barbarians, responsible for 9/11, not human but jackals... but still have the gal to claim it is us who regard others as subhuman. Where is your conscience? Why so much lying? Why so much hatred?
What is the point of quoting professional anti-zionist liars all the time whose entire career is nothing but to lie in wait for Israel to do a possible minuscule wrong somewhere to blow it up as horrendous news, and in the mean time never stop making up lies when they can`t find anything on the ground. To portray Israel as a monster when Israel has had to defend herself even against young mother suicide bombers, pregnant women suicide bombers, hospital patient suicide bombers, teenagers strapped with bombs seduced by promises of afterlife sex, the list just goes on, on a daily basis, and her side of story is never mentioned.
They of course professionally remain silent about the real atrocities that are going on around the world. The same Western based political gang who also used to continuously cry out against the situation in Iran before the revolution, writing about it, holding demonstrations against it, when Iran was relatively pro-Israel and pro-American, and who have been dead quite ever since the Islamic regime in Iran has come to power and mention nothing of the real crimes it has been committing ever since. The same country, the same people suffering much worse, yet two completely opposite media and propaganda policies by these wolves in sheep clothes. What has changed? The regime is now deadly ant-Israel so they treat it as a misunderstood ally. Why keep propagating their politically motivated anti-Israeli hate speech all the time as if they were objective warm hearted centers of conscience in the galaxy?

What is Israel`s real crime? The jews simply refuse to be victims any longer and fight back and defend themselves. For a world used to seeing Jews as victims only and crying crocodile tears at its best, Jews who defend themselves and survive as free men must be monsters, jackals, blood suckers. That is the real story here.
How do you really live with yourselves?


Daryush

Anonymous ...

by Daryush on

Thanks for a very informative comment.


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How do you live with yourselfe

by Anonymous ... (not verified) on

Knowing your home is built on blood of innocent Palestinians. You said JEWS come from all over the world to Palestinian...

Why do they leave their homes.... ?
Why do they Kill Palestinians ?
Why they support war ?

I have never held a gun in my hand but I am sure every young Israeli is required to do so ....
Who is the disturbed loonies ...

It is all about 1) Land and 2) Oil.
Middle-East has it, you want it.

The rest is smoke screen.

Ben-Gurion and the rest of the Jackals traveled miles and miles from Poland and other places to Palestine to get the land. Put your self in his shoe; When he first landed in Palestine, what did he see? He saw a dusty plane and some simple Palestinian shepherds. Like a predator in African Savanna would see it’s pray!

It has been around 60 years since and there have been a lot of dead and displaced Palestinians.

But take a moment to think about the level of despair that drives the Jackals to leave there long lived countries, homes and neighbors for that dusty land …?

Think what mental prerequisite would enable the Jackals to justify the ethnic cleansing that followed. In another words, they had to think of Palestinians as dirty subhuman to do … what is being done.

By the way, some of the early arrivals who came under cover of the night would disguise as “children of Iran” or “children of Tehran” to sneak their way in …. (Like some people on this web site!)

Any way, for those who are interested, here is a point to ponder:

Q. What did (and do) the Jackals trade in return for support of the land grab?

I do not have to make the case for Palestine, the case already have been made in the court of public opinion and no matter how much you say “Islam_o_X” it will not change the facts.
The world is moving forward! The recent events in Lebanon, Iraq and Syria have helped to put it in focus. There is a universal awareness and with it, I hope a global response to Israel’s expansionist policies.

I will quote some excerpts from “Kathleen Christison” who sys it more eloquently than I do:

Kathleen Christison
Former CIA political analyst and has worked on Middle East issues for 30 years.

Words fail; ordinary terms are inadequate to describe the horrors Israel daily perpetrates, and has perpetrated for years, against the Palestinians. The tragedy of Gaza has been described a hundred times over, as have the tragedies of 1948, of Qibya, of Sabra and Shatila, of Jenin -- 60 years of atrocity perpetrated in the name of Judaism. But the horror generally falls on deaf ears in most of Israel, in the U.S. political arena, in the mainstream U.S. media. Those who are horrified -- and there are many -- cannot penetrate the shield of impassivity that protects the political and media elite in Israel, even more so in the U.S., and increasingly now in Canada and Europe, from seeing, from caring.
But it needs to be said now, loudly ….. to recognize that we stain ourselves morally by continuing to sit by while Israel carries out its atrocities against the Palestinians.
A nation that mandates the primacy of one ethnicity or religion over all others will eventually become psychologically dysfunctional. Narcissistically obsessed with its own image, it must strive to maintain its racial superiority at all costs and will inevitably come to view any resistance to this imagined superiority as an existential threat. Indeed, any other people automatically becomes an existential threat simply by virtue of its own existence. As it seeks to protect itself against phantom threats, the racist state becomes increasingly paranoid, its society closed and insular, intellectually limited. Setbacks enrage it; humiliations madden it. The state lashes out in a crazed effort, lacking any sense of proportion, to reassure itself of its strength.
The pattern played out in Nazi Germany as it sought to maintain a mythical Aryan superiority. It is playing out now in Israel. “This society no longer recognizes any boundaries, geographical or moral,” wrote Israeli intellectual and anti-Zionist activist Michel Warschawski in his 2004 book Towards an Open Tomb: The Crisis of Israeli Society. Israel knows no limits and is lashing out as it finds that its attempt to beat the Palestinians into submission and swallow Palestine whole is being thwarted by a resilient, dignified Palestinian people who refuse to submit quietly and give up resisting Israel’s arrogance.
We in the United States have become inured to tragedy inflicted by Israel …..…. a military establishment that drops a 500-pound bomb on a residential apartment building in the middle of the night and kills 14 sleeping civilians, as happened in Gaza four years ago, is not a military that operates by civilized rules.
A military establishment that drops a 500-pound bomb on a house in the middle of the night and kills a man and his wife and seven of their children, as happened in Gaza four days ago, is not the military of a moral country.

A society that can brush off as unimportant an army officer’s brutal murder of a 13-year-old girl on the claim that she threatened soldiers at a military post -- one of nearly 700 Palestinian children murdered by Israelis since the intifada began -- is not a society with a conscience.
A government that imprisons a 15-year-old girl -- one of several hundred children in Israeli detention -- for the crime of pushing and running away from a male soldier trying to do a body search as she entered a mosque is not a government with any moral bearings. (This story, not the kind that ever appears in the U.S. media, was reported in the London Sunday Times. The girl was shot three times as she ran away and was convicted to 18 months in prison after she came out of a coma.)
Critics of Israel note increasingly that Israel is self-destructing, nearing a catastrophe of its own making. Israeli journalist Gideon Levy talks of a society in “moral collapse.”
Michel Warschawski writes of an “Israeli madness” and “insane brutality,” a “putrefaction” of civilized society, that have set Israel on a suicidal course. He foresees the end of the Zionist enterprise; Israel is a “gang of hoodlums,” he says, a state “that makes a mockery of legality and of civil morality. A state run in contempt of justice loses the strength to survive.”
As Warschawski notes bitterly, Israel no longer knows any moral boundaries -- if it ever did. Those who continue to support Israel, who make excuses for it as it descends into corruption, have lost their moral compass.


Zion

No he didn`t, AnonymousKhadij

by Zion on

It is you who must read it again. He talks of war on terror (war on `terror` is not the same as war on a country), of Iran being on top of the to do list and very explicitly that it is a top priority for a regime change.
The title of the article is not a quotation of Sharon but the sensationalist and imaginative choice of the writer.
You can disagree with the need for a `regime change in Iran`, but you can`t twist and turn the words to make it the same as `war on Iran` for your convenience.
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Israel is comprised of Jews coming from all over the world and bringing with them many of the problems and issues of the lands they come in. One of them is the old East-West divide that Israel had to deal with, but being a free and democratic country it had and has the means to tackle them and resolve them gradually. Things have changed considerably through time, and particularly since the 90s the Sephardic and Mizrahic communities in Israel have had a full revival in all aspects of Israeli culture. Giladi is a vengeful ex-Mossad officer (or at least he claims to have been) of Iraqi origins with a huge baggage of personal issues with some of his bosses, who much later when he settled in New York, used such natural challenges within Israel as a pretext, and infused them with disgusting utter lies and fabrications to take his personal vengeance against some of his superiors with whom he had personal problems and frictions. No one with any authority in the subject takes his `revelations` seriously. Only nut cases in the sort of websites Anonymous... links to believe him or quote him. That is, only disturbed loonies like you yourself Anonymous..., and thanks for the compliments. Coming from someone like you, they really mean a lot. :)


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ZION the floating turd shall be flushed

by Anonymous ... (not verified) on

The truth is if Israel could attack Iran today and
get away with it, it would have. Israel is an illegal creation. It only can sustain its existence by continues war. war IS Israel's raison d’être.

Chief rabbi thanks Bush for 'war against Iraq'
//www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1198517...

"The world recoils today at the thought of bacteriological warfare, but Israel was probably the first to actually use it in the Middle East. In the 1948 war, Jewish forces would empty Arab villages of their populations, often by threats, sometimes by just gunning down a half-dozen unarmed Arabs as examples to the rest. To make sure the Arabs couldn't return to make a fresh life for themselves in these villages, the Israelis put typhus and dysentery bacteria into the water wells.", source:THE JEWS OF IRAQ by Naeim Giladi
//www.ameu.org/uploads/vol31_issue2_1998.pdf

Israel is the first in Mideast to use depleted uranium in war with Egypt. Israel is using chemical weapons ...

//www.antiwar.com/orig/brooks.php?articleid=2...
//www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=483...
//www.indymedia.ie/article/77434&comment_limi...
//www.smh.com.au/news/World/Israel-using-chem...


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It was Sharon who talked about attacking iran

by AnonymousKhadij (not verified) on

you just say "i don't see anything wrong" with it. you should read again.


Zion

Anonymous8

by Zion on

O my. So illiterate and philistine :) of me not to get the nuance. I didn`t realize `fat` was a fitting metaphor for hypocrisy. I thought it was just the result of you being frustrated for your own weakness of logic and responses. Now I`ve learnt something.


Zion

Xerxes

by Zion on

Thanks mate. I`m sorry I wasn`t always as cool and polite as I would have liked to be either. I`m really glad and thankful that you wrote this, because regardless of differences of opinion, it is important that we all talk with each other directly and diffuse the propaganda that targets all of us.


Zion

AnonymousKhadij

by Zion on

I was NOT talking about bombing Iran. Please read what I say first.


Zion

Bird Flu

by Zion on

Yes it is quite possible. That is what is so dangerous about them. Once you begin praising death you will get to the point where you would easily consider the loss of thousands and even millions of people living under your rule as something expendable to reach a messianic looney goal. That is why Israel and the rest of the sane world insist rather on sanctions and pressures to harm the regime without the need of war.


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Guys leave Zion alone

by XerXes (not verified) on

He is not saying anything wrong. it's his opinion and you may display yours. I think Iran is playing a bad game. Zion I want to say that at first I did judge you based on your name but now I am passed that. I disagree with you but I do absolutely respect you and your views.


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nobody wants bombing of Iran

by AnonymousKhadij (not verified) on

Zion you are very very mistaken when you say "I don`t think any true Iranian who witnesses the abysmal social political economic and more importantly human rights condition inside iran would have any problem with Israel`s stance"

i cant believe you actually think this. you know nothing absolutely nothing about iranians.

absolut zero


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Zion: you're an idiot

by Anonymous8 (not verified) on

a big FAT idiot. That was the metaphor stupid!!! It had nothing to do with your physical "weight".

I'm tired of wasting my time with you. you're unwilling to listen to anyone else and you are an idiot.

I consider myself enemy of all racists and colonists. How do you like that?


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zion: I have noticed a spike

by bird flu (not verified) on

zion: I have noticed a spike in the number and shrilness of the rhetorics against Israel nd US.

There have been remarks along the lines of "things will move in a new unexpected direction" and "the Israelis will soon leave the earth" that have made me wonder if there was something new in the wind.

Do you think the mullafia trying to provoke the Israelis and/or US into shooting first so they could then respond in any way they wish? Doesn't it look like that the hardliners militant faction (IRGC) actually welcome conflagration in the whole region???


Zion

No metaphors

by Zion on

No. It is not metaphors anonymous8. Metaphors don`t kill people. People, men , women, children have been systematically butchered by suicide bombing, introduced to Lenbanon and Palestinians by the Islamic Regime in Iran. By rockets and hijackings, killings and tortures perpetrated by animals of Hizballah, created, maintained and supported by your regime. They use words like cancer and bacteria to clarify for their lunatic followers what should follow and what needs to be done and there is nothing metaphorical in that.
It started in 1948? Do you consider yourself Iranian or one of the so called `palestinians`? Are you advocating the interests of Iran and Iranian men, women or children or the blind genocidal idelogical hatred of the arabs and palestinians against Israel and the Jews?
I think we have figured that out now. You wouldn`t give damn for Iranians when you put Iranian men women and children in harms way, as your likes have already done and brag about as well, to satisfy this blind ideological bloodlust that has nothing to do with them, their culture and their interests. It is good for the real motives and intentions to be dragged out of the dark.


Zion

Daryush

by Zion on

id you read my last comment or did you just see some words pop out of it that you wanted to see. Israel did not start threatening Iran. Israel actually has never threatened `Iran`. Israel was close and good ally of Iran until before the Islamists took over power in iran. I advise you to read my last comment again and the quotation by your Ayatollah Khomeini to see this. Arafat was the first foreign visitor of the new Islamic regime, Hizballah was formed in Lebanon and Islamic Jihad among the Palestinians to fight Israel and kill Jews. Even so, Israel sold weapons to Iran once she was faced with danger in the Iran Iraq war. Israel also bombed the Osirak nuclear site, had she not done so, Tehran and some other cities would have been turned to glass already. Israel did it for her own protection, but that is my point. In very few but decisive moments, when the vital interests of Islamic regime happened to coincide with the real interests for preservation of Iran, it just turned out that they were also vital interests of Israel too. The real interests of he real Iran are still very much in line with the real interests of Israel. One of them is for the world t wake up and see the lunacy of the Islamic regime ruling Iran and threatening all the nation of Israel (not the other way around.) Beside a bunch of Islamist regime hooligans, I don`t think any true Iranian who witnesses the abysmal social political economic and more importantly human rights condition inside iran would have any problem with Israel`s stance. If there is a problem it should be with the opportunistic contract hungry attitude of Europeans, Russians, Chinese and a lot of oil and weapon companies and vested interests.
There is no symmetry here. Israel is asking for rationality, for the world to do something about Iranian regime (not Iran and Iranian nation). Israel is not asking for a military strike, but for the threat of military strike to be present. Israel`s policy and pressure has always been for severe sanctions that would lead to a change in the regime's behavior (high;y unlikely) or hopefully to an implosion of this Islamo-fascist system from within. The Islamic regime, from the beginning, with no provocation and for religious, fascistic and ideological reason has been pushing for the slaughter of Israelis and the destruction of the Israeli nation state. Nothing could be further apart between the two. If you stop allowing your hatred to blind you, you can also see this clearly.


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Zion: it's called "metaphor"

by Anonymous8 (not verified) on

Look it up before calling someone else illiterate.

And it was damn accurate too. You really are incapable of seeing anything from another's point of view. It's "OK" to bomb and threaten Iranians, but even hinting a metaphorical threat at Israel is unacceptable. big fat hypocrite indeed.

you are wrong, it did not start in 1979.
It started in 1948.


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Zion: it's called "metaphor"

by Anonymous8 (not verified) on

Look it up before questioning someone else's literacy.

It was accurate too. You really are incapable of seeing anything from another's point of view. It's "OK" to bomb and threaten Iranians, but even hinting a metaphorical threat at Israel is unacceptable. big fat hypocrite indeed.

you are wrong, it did not start in 1979.
It started in 1948.


Daryush

Zion, so you admit that you see nothing wrong

by Daryush on

Very interesting. It's OK for Israel to pose a threat to Iran but can't be done the other way around. Interesting. I am sure you have your "many" reasons for saying that, but I don't think they are anything but baloney.
To me it seems clear that they both are threatening one another. In either case, the way you think, there is only one way to settle this and that's war! As an Iranian I can't accept that you said there is nothing wrong with what Israeli president said. I have also heard Netanyahu to say that we should bomb Iran and even if 100,000 die, that's collateral damage for the safety of Israel!
See in your mind it's not OK that Israel should have an enemy but you can't understand Iranians feeling the same way about their land. Iran is not threatening Israel and all the Israeli and American media says about it is nothing but bull shit. Most of the intelligent people know this and I don't need to convince you, the Israeli game has been understood and there is not one country today that buys the claims that Israeli government makes against Iran.
That said, I do know that the US uses Israel to impose sanction on Iran for other reasons than the "threat", if you are not sure why, I will explain to you in more details. Also if I have time I could search and find you thousands of materials to support my statements.
regardless I think you should know that for a fact. No Iranian will accept "preemptive" strike against their land, and believe me when I say that Iran is not Iraq and has the means to strike back. That you can take to the bank. We Iranians know that Israel has never fought a real country or semi powerful country. They have only fought losers around the region and that's nothing to brag about
I am not trying to promote war or say Israel is not strong, but want to remind you the position of Israel towards Iran. Finally I agree with a comment that I read some time back, that if Israel could, Israel would. I think that is true to some extend.
I don't wish to talk more about this, just remember not to make excuses for the wrong doing or saying of your regime just because it's your country. Stay true to humanity and that way things work better for you (and your family if you have one)


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The TRUTH

by Anonymous ... (not verified) on


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LISTEN TO the TRUTH

by Anonymous ... (not verified) on


jamshid

Funny

by jamshid on

I find it amuzing that many pro-IRI writers like the author of this article, use "irane baastaan" emblems as their atavar, or use names like kourosh, ardeshir, etc. hala maslan ke chi besheh? As though anyone will fall for this trickery.


Zion

Lies (as usual)

by Zion on

`you are also a big FAT hypocrite`
Anonymous8, you think you can really determine someone`s weight from reading their comments? Wow.

I don`t see anything wrong with what Sharon and other Israelis were quoted as saying in your link. They are absolutely right. The regime in Iran is the number one threat and must also be the number one on the to do list. It is a danger similar to the Third Reich and must be dealt with.
Why is it a danger? You shameless liar, the history of Islamic Republic`s anti-semitic, anti-Israeli, anti-West, anti-Liberal and anti-human nature and policies and the danger it poses did not start with Ahmadinejad.
This is what your `moderate` president said in 2001:
`If one day ... Of course, that is very important. If one day, the Islamic world is also equipped with weapons like those that Israel possesses now, then the imperialists' strategy will reach a standstill because the use of even one nuclear bomb inside Israel will destroy everything. However, it will only harm the Islamic world. It is not irrational to contemplate such an eventuality. `
//www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/ira...

It started in 1979 with Ayatullah Khomeini, the prominet islamo-fascit islamonazi of his time:
//www.geocities.com/ahlulbayt14/khom-quds.htm...

So Anonymous8, why do you constantly lie and shy away from the utterances of your leaders and masters, why do you constantly lie about the intentions and rhetoric and policies of the regime you defend? Are you ashamed of your regime? Then be brave enough to say so. Isn`t this attitude cowardly?


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NO, you understand very little, Zion

by Anonymous8 (not verified) on

you are also a big FAT hypocrite, and a pathetic racist.

Here's your official "rhetoric" your fatass Israeli president calling for bombing Iran IN 2002. IN CASE YOU CAN'T COUNT, THAT'S 4 YEARS BEFORE AHMADINEJAD'S MISTRANSLATED REMARKS.
//archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/...

I'm not sure which "mass murder professional terrorist" you are talking about. The only ones that fit the description are the founding fathers of Israel who were all actually professional terrorists with actual blood on their hands. Is that who you were talking about?


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Re: anonymous...: DO you think

by Anonymous ... (not verified) on

NO WAR. But we have to state the FACTS and let the facts speak for itself.

Israel has Megaton nuclear bombs. And what is to protect IRAN from Israeli hegemonic ambitions and their
Preemptive war

posted 23 November 2007: from YouTube: 'Israeli Terror WMD Facilities'
Israel's Secret Weapon (BBC)
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmPEIt4fcnI&mode=re...

//www.vanunu.freeserve.co.uk/