Curious Joe

Dear Curious Joe, A tragedy

Dear Curious Joe,
A tragedy occured in the 'pre-material phase' of Existence, before the Big Bang and the creation of Cosmos. This spiritual tragedy emanated Evil and 'temporarily' damaged the software of Existence.
Had it not been for this tragedy, Existence would have proceeded with its genuine, pure and perfect Original Program.
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Under the New Program of Creation which we are currently (since the Big Bang) undergoing, Evil manifests in different forms purging the Existence of its tragic virus stricken pre-material disaster. That is the virus of Evil originating in the pre-material phase of Existence is undergoing a systematic purge by unfolding itself in various forms on earth and in human history.
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After the purge is over the Existence would resume its pure unfolding process under the -resurrected- Original Program.
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Until then we have no choice but to tolerate the different forms of ideas and creeds containing some points of truth but all affected with evil.
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All these ideas emanate from and are fabricated by Existence 'itself' under its New -purgatory- Program. These creeds contain valuable points or hints toward eternal truth -which is beyond our direct comprehension- but all of them are in some crucial ways distorted and none of them purely reflects truth as it is.

Thank you

Thank you "wondering".
That's why I didn't understand it! So is this dude also making fun of the Azeri's of Iran??
My parents were both atheists, but I
believe in God. So no one is responsible for my beliefs, I take sole responsibility .

Curious Joe, I have read all

Curious Joe,
I have read all of them. Koran, Bible, Old Testament and The GOD Delusion.

My father was also a practicing Muslim by choice. He did not force anything on me though. When I look back, I do not see him as stupid at all. He was not a Mullah though. He was a tie-and-pinstripe suit international lawyer with International court of Justice, and a law professor, quite ironically at Richard Dawkins institute, at Oxford law school.

Richard Dawkins' book is absolutely brilliant. But it will not cause seriously faithful people to swing so much as reading Koran or Bilble will not cause preponderance of serious atheists to believe. A faithful scientist can write an equally brilliant book arguing why science is unable to explain God.

However, Dawkins book is brilliant only within the context of scince and logic. But boundaries of science are very limited and we (both believers and atheists) really do not know what is exactly beyond this world. Even in our daily lives on this earth, a lot of things happen and we can not really explain them scientifically or logically.

This is the issue. Dawkins and his bandwagon try to first bring the God down to the level of this world and confine it to science, then reject its existence. They look at the issue from inside. A believer looks at it from outside. If you do not believe in anything beyound this world, then you are OK. But if you do believe, then it merely makes an interesting reading.

The essence of faith is believing without seeing, while science is believing after seeing. That is why faith stands above and beyond science. This is also the reason this kind of discussion never gets anywhere. Opponents are naturally unable to form a common ground for argument.

Joe, "two decades from now" is pushing it too much. Maybe two hundred years.

These may be bullshit

But we still have not solved the problem of who we really are, what is the purpose of existence, what happens after death and all the related philosophical questions. Because when you look at the other camp, they don't have real answers either. I think this was the original reason religions came about and were received so well. Because they seemed to off some explanation about injustice in the world and the reason for suffering, etc. Questions like why should a baby be killed in an accident or war when he has no control over it. Is life meaningless then? Are we supposed to fix these things? Why? Did someone put us up to this task? Can we just blow up a few nuclear weapons and end all this without any worry? These questions have not been properly answered by Dawkins or anybody that I know. So I am not sure if celebration is on order yet.

Ferchi

Ferchi is a modified version of "fekri" (probably with Turkish accent and it means "a thought." So the title is "what I was thinking (or what a thought I had) and what it turned out to be."

I have to connect everything to Israel

No, but in this regard, what do you think of the creation of Israel based on the idea that the land is promised to them by God or whatever the religious justification is. Doesn't it strike you as odd that these mostly educated people living in Europe and the West all of a sudden plunge into such backward mentality that they want to start a religious crusade of some sort. I see a very odd paradox. You look at Israel, they are very democratic inside; they allow other religions to be practiced freely, in practice they don't seem to be religious yet the whole place is set up to be a Jewish state and the whole thing is supposed to be related to some kind of religious thing. Is it easy for you to understand how these people can be so brainwashed? Is it easy for you to see the paradox that exists in Israel? Or is it just me?

Please someone tell

Please someone tell me..
What does 'Ferchi' mean in Persian?

dear Curious Joe, Don't

dear Curious Joe,
Don't worry about the negative comments.
Your question is right. You are asking about whether religion is going to sustain or not in the near future?
That's a perfectly legitimate question...
The answer seems positive, whether for good or bad - or for both- religion seems to be deeply rooted in human culture and psyche and it is very hard or impossible to get rid of it. Mainly because it answers archetypal philosophical questions of man's soul such as: where are we coming from? What is the meaning behind our lives? What is going to happen to us after death? Where does moral values emanate from?
and so on...
Religious systems tend to answer in one way or another to these questions with some proofs (according to their believers) and this is one reason why people choose to follow one religion rather than have their ontological questions unanswered.

Not true

God is not dead. Look around; Christian coalition, George Bush, Ayatollahs, Zionists, torturers, Taliban, Neo-conservatives, Bazaari kids, Israeli lobbyists, Ahmadinejad, arm dealers, oil companies, … They are all blessed by him.

you Anonymous345

ghorbone ame janat beravi baa en harf zadanet

You are damn right Majid,

You are damn right Majid, 'you' could not have worked in New City! Your sister could have, though!

New York City, not New City

I meant to say I used to work in New York City, not New City. When I worked there I used to see all different kinds of people from all over the world living together. Life was very hard but each person had a different personal, political, moral, and religion belief, and that’s where I learned to be tolerant of others. Sorry for the mistake.

Dear BS Joe

Dear Curious Joe,
I do agree with the fact that your parents were stupid enough to inculcate a bunch of BS into your malfunctioning brain. This is plainly obvious from your comments and arguments. You would have been better named 'BS Joe'.
However, as for the religious ideas, I think you are so brainless that you can not see what is going on around you in today's world, or you still live in the 1950s and 60s when the philosophical belief was that God is dead or religion is gone for good.
Today at the end of the first decade of the 21st century it is more than ever obvious that people from all different backgrounds in the world are somehow motivated by a religious or metaphysical background. Most political strifes are religious driven and even in a civilzed country like the US, according to the statistics at least 90% of people believe in some sort of God or religion.

What came to my mind When Snorkeling in Maui

First of all let's put aside organized religion.A few years ago I was snorkeling in Maui in a shallow area. I could see hundreds of Sardines swimming about an inch below the surface of water and I thought Wow, these fish are so close to the surface but have no idea that there is another world so close above them.The only way they will get to that world is for them to die first.This could be a very simplistic example ,but we have NO IDEA that we are a tiny winy part of a complex existence that our brains can't comprehend.Is there GOD,Heaven or Hell? NOBODY knows for sure ,but this whole "Jahan Afarinesh" is so amazing that it must have a purpose behind it.With our limited brain ability to understand this puzzle the easy way is to say yes there is "GOD".That GOD most probably is beyond the idea of creating Hell and heaven for HIS creatures. By simplifying life,death,heaven and hell millions of ordinary ,deprived ,poor people find unbearable conditions bearable.That's OK with me.

organized religion may fade

organized religion may fade away with all the abuse that has been injected into it... but God will always remain... cause there is truth in God.

What does 'Ferchi' mean in

What does 'Ferchi' mean in persian? I grew up here ...

Fear of mortality

It all boils down to the fact that we are all so scared of our own death, we want to believe in something in the beyond.  That's why religions have been so successful since the dawn of time and there is always a new one popping up.  It's a better racket than insurance companies, organized crime, or political cults and it's not going away.

All not equal

Not everyone has same understanding of same events, everyone can not analyze the situations exactly alike. There are many many factors that influence one's deceision making ability, these factors are not the same for all. therefore, for a same exact situation, two people might come up with two different understanding!

Humans are superstitious people, they were from the time they lived in caves until now that they live in high rise building. They will remain superstition and in need of superior being ... however, it is the certain sect of society that take advantage of this situation such as clerics (islamic, christians, etc.) who have, are and will abuse this unique sense of need for a superior being. Superstition can not fully be removed, Evil clerics can not be fully removed. The only way is to separate the supertition from governing boddy (i.e. don't allwo Evil to rule).

Be tolerant

I used to work in the New City, that's were I learned to be tolerant of other people's beliefs and opinions.

Religion is a tricky cult

All religions survive because the people are brain washed. Look at any society and you see they believe and do the dumbest things, but do not have the capabilities to recognize their stupidity. Have you listned to a Rabbi or priest or a mullah? It's laughable yet people really listen. I believe that stupidity is genetic and it's not going away easily!

You are the stupid one

I think that within the next thousands of years people would still believe in the concept of God, Heaven, Hell, and spirituality.
I agree that you are inculcated with stupidity by your parents.