A customer was telling me and maryam about how these big animal factories raise the meat we eat. They put chickens in little cages where they can not move and they feed them until they get really really fat. They do the same with cows and pigs and these animals too can not move much. They feed them lots and lots of corn mixed with antibiotics. He said these animals are miserable and many of them die due to mistreatment which is similar to torture. I told him that when there were not a lot of people in the world and also people were too poor to buy meat, farmers grew these animals on their land. They were free to roam around and eat healthy grass or peck on seeds. But now there are millions and millions of people who love to eat meat and have the money to buy meat so the demand has gone way way up. My economics teacher used to say when demand goes up, people who love money come into the market and supply what is in demand. In this case it is meat. What can be the choice. How can we raise cattle and chicken to feed so many millions of meat loving mouths in this country and many more millions overseas and also be 100% humane. Shotrcuts need to be made. I would think it would be nearly impossible otherwise. The story made maryam cry a lot and now she has decided to become a vegetarian. I am so proud of her.
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Anonymous77
by Natalia Alvarado-Alvarez on Sat Jun 21, 2008 07:42 AM PDTThank you very much for the link. :o)
Solh va Doosti
Nadia
Natalia Alvarado-Alvarez
by Anonymous77 (not verified) on Sat Jun 21, 2008 01:46 AM PDTIt's horrible isn't it. I've also seen footage of cows Caesarians, so that they produce milk for a longer time.
I've stopped consuming dairy products too, even organic ones. I have to find a decent farm before I touch that stuff again. My nutritionist is fine with my "diet" (I add loads of raw nuts and seeds which I love, as well as oils and love my greens), as long as I add especially vitamin B12.
Here's an interesting article about Food Fordism, including Soya. It's getting to a stage where there is nothing left to eat! ;)
//www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jun/16/...
Dear John !!
by ebi amirhosseini on Fri Jun 20, 2008 03:58 PM PDTAs long as it is "ghormeh sabzi",even without MEAT try it,you won't regret it!.
P.S
Dear Bajenagh :
Please excuse my French !!!
In Kermani accent like some other southern cities of Iran,they add letter "U",to the end of some words/names( means the small/little form of the noun,like Miz=table,becomes Mizu=small table). You know,the word "Tof",means spit in our language,so "tofu",in My parents' accent means "small/little spit" !!!!!
You think that is cruel....
by Natalia Alvarado-Alvarez on Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:31 AM PDTI was at a nutritional meeting the other day and well it was shocking. They were saying the conditions that the cows have to be under in order to always produce milk. Something about them needing antibiotics because they develop pus around their sores from being milked constantly and without mercy. How they are also pumped with certain hormones to keep them producing a certain amount of milk a day. After all, the milk they produce was meant for animals to get from small to extremely big. We then wonder why our kids are obese, we are giving them milk meant to make animals huge. Also, what do all these female hormones do to males? Did somebody mention impotence? Maybe
Anyway, do your own research and decide for yourself. I threw my milk away. I will now drink white water. :o)
milk
Got Pus?
Solh va Doosti
Nadia
Chelokebab
by John on Fri Jun 20, 2008 05:00 AM PDTBajenaghe, I am a non-Iranian interested observer of the country, culture and people. And yes, my azizam has introduced me to chelokebab. I quite enjoyed it, but had to force from my mind any thoughts about its source. Ghormeh sabzi has been suggested to me also, but I was a bit worried about the "gorbeh" part (joke). Hey, there is no doubt that meat tastes good; I've just made a personal choice to not consume it, except on rare occasions.
I don't eat meat
by Anonymous77 (not verified) on Fri Jun 20, 2008 03:46 AM PDTin fact, I haven't for decades, because I noticed that chicken meat for example made me nauseous and no wonder, full of anti-biotics.
If anyone wants to change their diet, I would advise simply to cutting down on eating so much meat. By all means have your chelokabab or roast but have it once or twice a week. It really isn't good for anyone eating meat 3 times a day.
As for ghorme sabzi with tofu. Heaven forbid! Just have it without the meat or at least if you insist on meat, then buy it from a reputable organic source, which tastes better and is by far more healthy than eating an unhappy cow full of unhappy chemicals.
I don't like tofu except in dishes which are made for tofu, e.g. Chinese or Japanese dishes.
Eating meat all the time only started in the 50s. There are plenty of Iranian, especially regional dishes which have been prepared for centuries without meat. Some quite similar to Indian ones, plenty of beans and not spicy.
I never go to vegetarian restaurants. They are horrible. I don't like fake food and am not a fan of the veggie-vegilante. Every nation has plenty of vegetarian dishes, it's just a question of eating less meat. It is also proving to be an environmental disaster with all the methane gas.
vegetarianism
by javaneh29 on Fri Jun 20, 2008 03:42 AM PDTI was a vegetarian for 16 years after hearing the terrified cries on animals in an abotoir waiting to be killed. It was as if they knew they were going to die. I didnt eat meat at all during this time and i found many substitutes for meat. However 4 years ago I developed allergies to wheat and diary and became very ill and i had to make a decision to eat meat again. It took weeks to bring myself to do this but when i did ..... mmmmmm.... it was so good to eat kebab, and all khoreshtes again.
Be careful and do your research into becoming a vegetarian. You but especially Mariam can easily become anaemic.
Javaneh
John jan
by bajenaghe naghi on Thu Jun 19, 2008 08:14 PM PDTI don't know if you are iranian or non iranian, but if you have tasted ghormeh sabzi or chelokabab you know why we all love meat. Also from childhood we were told to eat meat because it is good for us to grow up strong. Giving up meat is very difficult just like giving up smoking. you need to be ready for it psychologically if you are going to be sucessful. but you are one step in front of me. I have reduced having red meat. but when I have iranian food i become a carnivor and I can not help it then because I love iranian food. but I think maryam and me are going in the right direction.
Look closely at your plate
by John on Thu Jun 19, 2008 07:46 PM PDTLike the rest of you I was raised to be a meat-eater, then one day I saw a television program that graphically and horrifyingly showed what actually happens at a slaughterhouse/abbatoir. That was the point at which I gradually began weaning myself from eating dead animals. The process became complete when I started picturing what it was that I was really eating: minced cows, abused chickens, etc. Now I find it difficult to even touch raw meat. And I now eat, and greatly enjoy, tofu sandwichs, vegetarian lasagnas and stews, and soy burgers, knowing that no animal was murdered to feed me, knowing that no animal proteins and fats are clogging my veins and slowly making me impotent.
Azizam !!
by ebi amirhosseini on Thu Jun 19, 2008 04:51 PM PDTI rather starve to death !!
Ebi jan
by bajenaghe naghi on Thu Jun 19, 2008 04:46 PM PDTcan you emagine ghorme sabzi with tofu? Az in khaareji tar chieh?
Azizam !!
by ebi amirhosseini on Thu Jun 19, 2008 04:43 PM PDTDon't be tricked,this is a good excuse to deprive you from her "Ghorme sabzi".Beware my dear!!