The President of Palestine scaring the naughty Zionists once again at the United Nations!
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thanks Vildemose jan for comment addressed to me
by Anahid Hojjati on Tue Sep 27, 2011 04:54 PM PDTdear vildemose, interesting. You even wrote:"Man ham hoselasho nadaram." So I am in good company.
Dear Anahid, debating
by vildemose on Tue Sep 27, 2011 03:43 PM PDTDear Anahid, debating with Abarmard is like trying to nail jello to the wall. His worldview is unchangeable because he is deeply vested in the status quo. Man ham hoselasho nadaram. I used to debate him for hours to no avai. He does not debate in good faith and his morally and ethically comprimised beyond repair. It will only take a regime change for him to come off of his high horses. For now he is enjoying the ride.
"A leopard can't change its spots. Nor, apparently, can Iranian President Mahmud Ahmadinejad when it's time for his annual address at the UN General Assembly.
Ahmadinejad is back in Tehran now, after traveling to New York last week to deliver his seventh speech to the UN, which, like all those before it, was full of sentiments about which Iranians can only dream. One can only imagine what they were thinking as they listened to Ahmadinejad deliver a lecture on ethical leadership.
The man who took the podium is a weakened and isolated figure at home. But you wouldn't know it by the way he treated the speaker's platform as a mosque pulpit and delivered a speech that sounded like a Friday Prayer sermon.
Like a mullah who reminds worshipers of their responsibilities toward Allah and prescribes behavior in religious, social, economic, and political affairs, Ahmadinejad preached the need for an underlying "faith in God," "compassion," "justice," "dignity," and "freedom." He called for world leaders to have "integrity in both words and deeds" and a "defiance of oppression."
This from the head of a government that has killed and jailed untold numbers of its citizens for their beliefs.
Ahmadinejad accused the West of hypocrisy and berated the United States for a long list of sins -- from slavery to colonialism, participation in two world wars, use of nuclear weapons, and military involvement in Vietnam and Korea. He again questioned the existence of the Holocaust and the "mysterious" forces behind the 9/11 terror attacks. In messianic language, he ended by offering the world glad tidings for a beautiful future built under the leadership of the hidden Twelfth Imam, accompanied by Jesus Christ.
With his call for liberty, compassion, and justice, many Iranians had to be asking why he doesn't want the same for them. In the spotlight on the UN stage, Ahmadinejad endorsed a society that couldn't be more different from the beatings, torture, repression, executions, and imprisonment he presides over at home.
During his six years in power, life in Iran has been miserable for people hoping for even a modicum of political freedom. The peaceful democracy protests that followed his 2009 "reelection" marked the start of a brutal state response that continues even now."
//www.rferl.org/content/ahmadinejad_biggest_hypocrite_of_all/24341946.html
Reform requires the consent of the corrupt
Vildemose jan, lotf dari.
by Anahid Hojjati on Tue Sep 27, 2011 03:29 PM PDTthe fact is that on IC, we have contributors who are much better debaters than myself. Example is yourself. As you noted, some IRi defenders are really relenttless and highly focused. It is better if friends like you or Faramarz exchange comments with these IRI defenders. Sorry to dump the work on you, but I really don't have much patience trying to convince someone of crimes of IRI at this stage.
I had the initial comment and mentioned his name in it because my friend's e-mail was for people like Abarmard. People who bahbah and chahchah what AN says. My friend had made a valid point that AN does not get to make these points because IRI has done so much wrong. Now Abarmard comes back and say that AN is president so he gets to have the speech in UN. Sure, he gets to talk but i really rather quote from other people than AN. I don't want AN as my sokhangoo. the fact that there was cheating in 2009 and he got selected, does not mean that I have to accept this farce. If Abarmard wants to accept it, that is his business but I will not.
Palestinians & AN!
by G. Rahmanian on Tue Sep 27, 2011 02:26 PM PDTAhmadinejad would have loved to talk about the "Palestinian cause." However, Palestinians have told him his rhetoric is detrimental to their struggle for statehood and have specifically told him to shut up where it concerns them. Hypocritical paid IR supporters while condemning "imperialism," are all for IR's meddling in the affairs of other countries in the region. These entities are perpetually boasting about IR as a regional power and how IR influences regional politics. One cannot condemn "imperialism" and champion interventionist policies of the murderous regime in Tehran at the same time.
Abarmard, not interested to have a comment exchange with you
by Anahid Hojjati on Tue Sep 27, 2011 01:58 PM PDTseriously I have better things to do with my time than exchanging comments with an IRI apologist. have fun defending what AN says in UN and other places. Go ahead. i don't care about people like you. If so far, you have not been enlightened, chances are that you will never wise up.
Anahid Hojjati
by Abarmard on Tue Sep 27, 2011 01:24 PM PDTAhmadinejad is the president of Iran, activists are not. His internal policies aside, he is at the UN where all the fun actions happen. Where Security Council has issued green light to occupy, start wars, kill innocent people.
The number of people died in UN accepted wars are horrendous. Suppose 200 people have died after the election and some 1000 people are jailed (Just estimating, not arguing the actual numbers), we have millions of people in Gaza humiliated, tortured, captured, and killed. There are sanctions in place for vital medicine to reach women and children. Are they Hamas? Millions killed in Iraq, Afghanistan. Weapons given to the hands of Libyans to start a civil war, then they came and bomb them… You want to close your eyes to these and request an activist to come and mention these at the UN?
No. Your friend is absolutely wrong. UN meeting was for the head of states. None of those guys are clean. They are all politicians and lie, deceit, kill, torture, and so on. As an Iranian you have every right to hate him, but as a human being, which you are first, you have to support the right speeches that challenges this corrupt, disgusting, and despotic organization for the good of all.
If you think that most of our own problems won’t be solved in a stage based on justice and equality for all nations, which UN needs to become, then you are looking no further than your own footsteps. Raise your head higher and see further.
Finally, in my opinion most of our democratic movements are challenged by uncertainties created by foreign powers. Only in this one idea I agree with Ron Paul that US needs to mind her own business. Not US, France and UK too. Let ME handle their own issues and gradually form ME union. If these countries leave, peace will come, and once peace comes, similar to Europe: Turkey, Iran, Israel, and all will benefit. UN needs to get its act together and become a UN rather than US-UK servant. AS long as people don’t realize the real atrocities done by these powers, no one will stop them and killing will go on.
I am absolutely in line with what Ahmadinejad said at the UN.
Abarmard, In general, regarding whenever AN goes to manbar
by Anahid Hojjati on Tue Sep 27, 2011 12:44 PM PDTand then someone on IC writes that he made strong points, I quote from a friend's e-mail in which he responded to another friend who also had argued that AN had made good points. My friend; the one that is not impresed by AN's strong points wrote this:"
I also just watched a clip, in which he lists the history of abuses by western countries. This is similar to the technique he uses on other issues as well: "why do you want to get nuclear weapons?" "West let Israel get and keep its". "Why do you suppress your people and deny them their freedom?" "Britain's lower class rebelled ... France is suppressing the rights of its Muslim women" ... My problem: there is a very clear fallacy and sophistry in this type of argument: the fact that others have done it, even when true, does not justify the act by another. Others, e.g., freedom activists, are qualified to criticise the west for its abuses, but he is not, as simple as that, because he must first answer for his own deeds before he can question others. Alas, he has become a master of this type of sophistry, and others, including journalists, mostly fall for it. He turns them into naive apologizers or justifiers for the west or Israel, instead of being probing journalists, and then he sits back and "laughs at their beards". Anyways, he seems a fading clown in Iran's political scene. We will see." I think my friend made great point sabout how freedom activists can talk about abuses but AN cannot.Ahmadinejad made strong points
by Abarmard on Tue Sep 27, 2011 12:31 PM PDTI disagree with his tactics, don't agree with his views about holocaust and 9/11 but rest of his speech was very strong. I challenge anyone here to bring one of his points other than those mentioned above and argue against it. Love to hear anyone's view about that.
The role of UN has become a joke, UN doesn't follow the rules and regulations equally...All that is absolutely correct along with Western historical wars and destruction...
When he talked about Palestine, he used their plea as an argument for ineffective UN role in world's stage. This cartoon is wrong in diverting attention to a very solid argument posed by Ahmadinejad.
It is easy to become a follower but requires more time and effort to be a challenger.
love this one. It's
by vildemose on Sun Sep 25, 2011 06:35 PM PDTlove this one. It's so whacky.....just like the real AN
Reform requires the consent of the corrupt
One of your best Azadeh
by divaneh on Sun Sep 25, 2011 04:31 PM PDTI really like this. That is exactly it.
PN, take off your Palestinian hat and put on your independent
by Oon Yaroo on Sun Sep 25, 2011 04:26 PM PDTobserver hat! The item above means, "Kassey'e Daghtar Az Aash!"
You do like Aash, right!? How about Aash Reshteh!?
Of critic's corner...
by پندارنیک on Sun Sep 25, 2011 06:22 AM PDTIt's a beautiful piece of graphic. Having said that, I wish you could help me with its context...
You see madam, this is my problem with the concept of your otherwise beautiful piece of art: It's failing to convey a realistic snapshot of political currency by means of either agitating or educating the viewer for the purpose of higher degree of alertness.
This is a beautiful work which most unfortunately seems to be only designed and displayed for the purpose of mediocre participation in a popularity contest on this site................and sadly nothing more.
Portraying A.N at the UN General Assembly as a Palestinian at this time when he so purposefully left out the issue of the Palestinian bid for statehood from his speech is highly unfair, if not grossly ignorant................
A Good One!
by G. Rahmanian on Sat Sep 24, 2011 11:29 PM PDTHe has become so delusional that would love to be called, "President Of Presidents!"
hopefuly Mahmoud A of
by maziar 58 on Sat Sep 24, 2011 10:07 PM PDThopefuly Mahmoud A of palestine and Mahoud A of Iran will meet some where in between and create a heaven (Beheshtestan) for their followers.
Maziar