About a month ago, there was a post on IC about Texas Representative, and the perennial Republican presidential candidate, Ron Paul voicing his opposition to the latest round of sanctions against the Islamic Republic. Immediately after the post appeared on this page, an IC member posted a comment describing Mr. Paul as a “good American,” and another U.S. representative as a “bad American.” The commenter’s sole criterion for making those determinations was Paul’s stance on the issue of sanctions against Iran, and nothing else.
This post is not about that specific commenter, but rather about the larger picture and many other Iranians who think like him. I am sure that you all have met Iranians who blindly support Ron Paul because of his foreign policy positions and nothing else. And that, in and of itself, speaks great volumes as to why the Iranian American community lacks political power in the U.S. despite its large, educated and comparatively wealthy ranks.
Ron Paul, as POTUS, will be an absolute disaster for the United States—and especially for minorities in the United States, such as (if you haven’t figured it out) Iranians. The man has confirmed connections to white supremacist groups. This means that if he ever becomes president, Iranians will be on top of his “target list” of discriminatory practices. He will probably take their citizenships away. Paul is also for no gun control. In a “Paul world” America will turn into the Wild West, with people packing AK-47s on the streets (and [hopefully for his supporters] targeting those brown skinned A-Rabs]). He also had other ideas, such as getting rid of the Department of Education, which will cause disparate and substandard education across the country, and most importantly for Iranian immigrants, he is against birthright citizenship for U.S. born children of immigrants. This, in and of itself, should give pause to any immigrant. This means that under a Ron Paul presidency, many Iranian Americans who were born in the United States will lose their citizenship. This will include those who have possibly never been to Iran. But Mr. Paul will deport them back to Eye-Ran, just to maintain his vision of a pristine white America.
But none of the above facts, and Ron Paul’s scary vision for America seems to bother his Iranian supporters. They have no issues with America being run by a racist and for their children losing their citizenship. Their only concern in the “old country” and the ability of mullahs to have access to the latest technology, free trade and lots of lots of petrodollars. And this, my friends, is the single most important reason why the Iranian American community will never advance.
Iranian Americans are too attached to the old country. The umbilical cord has not yet been cut. Their main focus should be the United States, but it’s not. It’s Iran. Learn from Sen. Daniel Inouye, who served in the United States military when it was at war with Japan, and when his own parents were being held at a Japanese internment camp. He went on to receive five medals, including the Medal of Honor and a Bronze Star. That’s how he showed his loyalty to the United States, and that’s how his community gained influence by him becoming a United States senator. Can you imagine an Iranian American in a similar situation?!!! He would have probably suicide bombed a few places to show his “disapproval” of the war with Iran.
Remember: your American passport is not only for ease of travel to Dubai of your way to Iran for your annual chelo-kabab feasts. You took a loyalty oath to this country that should not be dismissed as “alaki.” And you’re not “zerang” for becoming U.S. citizens. This country trusted you. Don’t betray that trust. Also, remember this: you don’t know more than an average American just because you had a “revolution” back in 1979. Look at what that fiasco did to your homeland. If anything, your 1979 devolution is proof positive that you know absolutely nothing about running a country.
In sum, you cannot gain power and influence in this country by being a perpetual immigrant who psychologically lives out of a suitcase with the hopes of one day going back to your “own country” (as if the country that you’re supposedly a citizen of is not your own country). You cannot secretly (and sometimes not so secretly) hope for the demise for the demise of this country by supporting a nut like Ron Paul. You have to first show your loyalty to your adopted country, and once you have proven that loyalty and gained political influence, you can advocate for balanced policy that will benefit both the United States and the people (not the tyrannical government) of your country of origin. In the alternative, you can enjoy your kabab and torshi in Iran and complain about how you’re discriminated against in the land of the Great Satan.
Blog photo courtesy of Fesenjoon. It has been used in another one of my blogs. But I found it quite appropriate for this one as well.
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Whoever is flagging comments here
by Frashogar on Tue Sep 04, 2012 02:10 PM PDTPlease be advised that all comments are being independently saved and recorded.
Have a nice day.
Why has Albaloo been flagged?
by Frashogar on Tue Sep 04, 2012 02:02 PM PDTNothing here to warrant flagging...
by Albaloo on Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:30 PM PDT
The blogger here has never anything meaningful to say and Frashogar , you are very good at playing with him and his followers. Very funny and right on points.
Dr. Mohandes joon
by Frashogar on Tue Sep 04, 2012 02:00 PM PDTWoreesh nabash is the Laati version of "Oh sir, Please do not worry about that particular matter of concern at all"
Not in any Persian dialect I know of. It certainly isn't laati talk in any city or province of Iran. A laati dialect of Tel Aviv, perhaps!?
Faramarz, are you suggesting that you guys are
by Soosan Khanoom on Tue Sep 04, 2012 01:47 PM PDTjust an old white guy rambling at an imaginary person sitting on a chair… perfect symbolism for the GOP !!!!
LOL
I am enjoying Frashogar replies and comments.
by Albaloo on Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:30 PM PDTThe blogger here has never anything meaningful to say and Frashogar , you are very good at playing with him and his followers. Very funny and right on points.
Farshogar
by Dr. Mohandes on Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:24 PM PDTWoreesh nabash is the Laati version of "Oh sir, Please do not worry about that particular matter of concern at all"
Oftad? ya hanooz geer karde?
Joon-e-delam ;)
by Frashogar on Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:07 PM PDTWaiting for your explanation of the meaning of Woreesh nabash...
Night, night :)
Farshogar
by Dr. Mohandes on Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:03 PM PDTShab khosh jeegar.
Sweet dreams:)
Joon-e-Frashogar, DM-e-'aziz
by Frashogar on Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:51 AM PDTHala ziad woreesh nabash
Woreesh nabash?!? Is this is a peculiar expression of Israelis pretending to know Persian? It isn't Farsi.
AO
by Dr. Mohandes on Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:48 AM PDTThe said person is busy "ateesh soozoondan" in some anti-capitalistic, pro-socialism, while chanting down with capitalism, site.
I have a feeling that My smallest piece will be my ears when he reads this :)
Farshogar
by Dr. Mohandes on Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:44 AM PDTDuh!
I know you are. I already said that. Anything else you want to add?:))
Hala ziad woreesh nabash. bozorg mishi yadet mire.
DM joon
by Frashogar on Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:29 AM PDTJust quoting AO's words back to him. So be it if you believe that to be a confession. I am guilty ;O)
And we have a confession
by Dr. Mohandes on Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:18 AM PDTI agree that "IC is a Zionsit scam site" That much is pretty obvious. I would add US State Department, VOA, AEI, NED, AIPAC in there as well.
We are glad that you have finally confessed. Now you can sleep easier since you have come clean.:))
That was not so hard now, was it?
Where's Zendanian?
by Anonymous Observer on Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:06 AM PDTI really want his opinion on the issue of disconnect between Iranians's wealth, education, etc. in the U.S. and their lack of political power.
Methinks the old vet doth protest too much
by Frashogar on Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:51 AM PDTAO jaan-e-geraami, you have me confused with someone else. But since you insist on putting words in my mouth, I agree that "IC [is] a Zionsit scam site" [ your words]. That much is pretty obvious. I would add US State Department, VOA, AEI, NED, AIPAC in there as well.
Go Ahead, Talk to the Chair!
by Faramarz on Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:29 AM PDTDear AO and Doctor Mohandes,
Trying to reason with some of these characters is like Clint Eastwood's monologue with the empty chair last week!
Don't waste your time and instead, let's celebrate the success and the patriotism of many Iranian-Americans.
AO jan
by Dr. Mohandes on Tue Sep 04, 2012 09:41 AM PDTI know i should not give him the light of day but it was fun having him going like that.
I concur with you absolutely. You could tell by his writing style and comparing it to certain writing style of the ones we know and usually deal with around here.
I should have stopped right there when he accused you of advocating murder , and calling me an agent and part of a greater scheme and this whole thing as an interrogation. But i just needed something to fill my afternoon here in this polluted, smog-filled city called tehran, and all of a sudden there he was, and bang!
YOU my man, KEEP UP THE good work. God speed.
DM jaan
by Anonymous Observer on Tue Sep 04, 2012 09:35 AM PDTAs I told Vildemose, don't waste your precious time arguing with this racist, antisemite waste of human flesh. Here's his most famous piece of hate speech on IC, although there are many others:
//iranian.com/main/news/2012/03/31/iran-suspends-reuters-over-faulty-headline
He has actually set up a whole site dedicated to hate speech against Jews and Bahais. I don't want to give it publicity, so I won't mention it at this time. This character exemplifies everything that is wrong with Iran and Iranians, and for that reason, I'm glad that he keeps registering on IC even though he's been kicked out more than a dozen times. He's a liar--showing up under different personalities, one day he's a cardiac surgeon, the next he's a Harvard scholar, the next he's a media watchdog group...One day he's fram Hamedan, the next he's from kerman, and the next he's from Ardebil! And apparently he's now gone under a sex change operation and is showing up as a woman named MaryamJoon! And it's funny how he's been leaving comments for himself under his various blogs, like this one, where he has been commenting (and applauding himself) under three different usernames:
//iranian.com/main/blog/maryamjoon/al-qaeda-free-syrian-army-nato-equipment-crucify-man
Boy, I can call these losers:
//iranian.com/main/blog/anonymous-observer/arc-ir-propaganda-agent-iranian-com
He also embodies the worst of Iranian culture in that he's a religious fanatic, a xenophobe and an anti-semite.
You know, for all his accusations about lobby, Mossad, etc., this "character" is the most likely candidate for being an organization. If it was just one person, he would have at least been able to keep his story straight. But it looks like there's a whole organization at work with all the different stories that we get with these user(s).
And the most pathetic thing is that he calls IC a Zionsit scam site, has written articles on Sourcewatch about JJ and IC, and has dediacted a whole section of his hate site to bashing IC, but yet he's so pathetic that he keeps registering under various usernames every month and crawls back to thie site--asking for acceptance--after being continously kicked out. The guy (if it is a single person, which I now seriously doubt) has no self respect!
Demo
by Fesenjoon2 on Tue Sep 04, 2012 09:41 AM PDTپس مشخص است كه مجاب نشديد. بحث تفسير بماند براي روزی دیگر. اما نكته ای هست كه در ميان صحبتت لازم به ذكر ميدانم: فرقيست بين امثال رساله نويسانی كه اشاره كردی و امثال علامه طباطبايی و الهی قمشه ای و محمد تقي جعفری. دسته اول دكان داران دينند و گردانندگان حکومت. دسته دوم اهل عرفانند و معرفت.
مع الوصف بنظرم در يک مورد توافق نظر داريم: اختلاط دين با سياست لجنزاری را منجر ميشود كه بوی تعفنش تمام ايران را برداشته و باعث همه بدبختی هايمان شده. قبول داری؟
RG
by Fesenjoon2 on Tue Sep 04, 2012 07:21 AM PDTLol. I've heard that one :-)
Frashogar
by Dr. Mohandes on Tue Sep 04, 2012 05:23 AM PDTSo is denying the obvious and using any opportunity to avoid the question. how about that towel now, ready to get out of denial?
Is "McCarthysm" and now "McCarthyists" the new words they taught you at school this week? you seem so excited about it and throw them around at any occasion:))
آقای فسنجان: صحبت از "شق ال قمر" شد، یادم به این حدیث افتاد...
Roozbeh_GilaniTue Sep 04, 2012 04:18 AM PDT
دربين صحابه پيامبر زن زيبايي بود بنام قمر که بخوبي حجاب را رعايت مي کرد. روزي بادي وزيد و 1 تار موي او نمايان شد. پيامبر با ديدن آن تار مو شق کردند طوري که آ*ت مبارکشان از پشت قبايشان بيرون زد. صحابه با ديدن اين صحنه ملکوتي 3 بار الله اکبر گفتند و تاريخ نويسان اين واقعه تاريخي را شق القمر ناميدند.
Dr. Mohandes joon
by Frashogar on Tue Sep 04, 2012 03:44 AM PDTIt is pretty clear that the McCarthyists here have a monopoly on all the sinking.
SK
by Dr. Mohandes on Tue Sep 04, 2012 03:41 AM PDTYou know , i think it is time a DHS officer had a talk with you.
You seem to be flip-flopping big time there sister. Maybe they should reconsider your privileges.
First it is "ohhh our constitution is on life support" and then it is off to " i do whatever i can to support it"
Good thinking. me and jenny need more space:))
I have loyalty to the constitution and for that reason alone
by Soosan Khanoom on Tue Sep 04, 2012 03:31 AM PDTI do anything to keep it as is (better say used to be)and I am against Breaking any law and/ or deliberately changing it to suit special interest groups in this country. Cause I still believe this land is The United States of America not The United States of Israel...
Keep that playboy magazine and Jenny. No need for you to get enlighten. I am moving out.
lol
SK and diversionary tactics
by Dr. Mohandes on Tue Sep 04, 2012 03:03 AM PDTCan't put it down, there is an interesting article about Islamic militia and hard core pleasure, that i am reading, and oh, my oh my, look at all these pictures. hmm... i wonder what she thinks about the green movement in iran...
Truth!! You want to see the truth? You can't hadle the truth!:)
Soosan khanoom jan, please stop using clever tactics to change the topic of the discussion. Whether or not this book of laws is on life support, does not change the fact that you took an oath of loyalty to it and that is all there is to it. Irrespective of what has happened since 9/11 and all of that. you never questioned that fact when you and the immigration officer were discussing your future in USA, now did you?
So, of course circumstances always change and nothing remains the same, but you should have known that before embarking on this path.
If there were any room for argument there, and were you change your mind on different things depending on what actually happens, then they should have had the right to strip you of your citizenship rights as well. maghazeyeh akbar mashti ke nist!
Fine, i will crash on the sofa with jenny tonight. would you please pick up the pizza box first thing tomorrow morning, we plan to spend some quite time together and don't need for distraction of any kind:)
DM, Which constitution?? Many laws after September 11 have been
by Soosan Khanoom on Tue Sep 04, 2012 02:49 AM PDTagainst U.S constitution. Put that Playboy magazine down and read the latest articles written by experts about the U.S constitution and the fact that it is actually on life support. I was at Berkeley campus recently packed with anti war crowd where you get the needed enlightment to see the world through the lenses called 'truth'.
you get no dinner tonight and you have to sleep on the sofa.
And I never flirit. I am dead serious !!!
lol
SK joon
by Dr. Mohandes on Tue Sep 04, 2012 02:22 AM PDTquit flirting with me woman when i am in a middle of serious discussion! how many time do i have to tell you that???!!!!!!:))
save it for later. okay? i am coming home early tonight. why don't you throw some steak on the grill and wear something....$#$#$# ??:))) so we can get to know each other a little bit better!
Soosan khanoom
by Dr. Mohandes on Tue Sep 04, 2012 02:19 AM PDTI can not believe you are falling for this too.
Where in all this do you see the notion of With us or with terrorists??!!
Why propagandizing and twisting matters?
Do you disagree that as a citizen of any country your alligance should solemnly and solely rest with that nation's constitution and laws, particularly if you have SELECTED and CHOSEN to do so? Does it make you happy when you are all over the map? yek pa in iran...yek pa in USA? does it even make sense?
I am not saying this about you per se, but honestly and in majority of cases find those who claim to have their heart beating in iran, yet would not dare but to spend a few months here and there sightseeing in iran, without any major, substantive, effective contributions to be true hypocrites. Just does not make any sense. The same would be true for those who have the same feelings for iran!
You guys are way out of line and i know that you know and feel it too deep inside. Just could not tell why you keep wanting to go against the tide and act unreasonably.
it is quite absurd to say that one is advocating murder for an entire community, or anything along those line, simply because they do not have credible, reliable, worthy of presenting logic to rebuttle the points brought up.
Doctor M , the quote from Bush was taken from Fesenjoon's
by Soosan Khanoom on Tue Sep 04, 2012 02:10 AM PDTComment and has nothing to do with any other joon including you doctormohandesjoon.
:)