Seyyeds' sailors and US clash

alimostofi
by alimostofi
07-Jan-2008
 

A radio transmission from one of the Iranian ships said, "I am coming at you. You will explode in a couple of minutes," CNN reported, citing a U.S. official.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080107/ts_nm/usa_iran...
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Making such provocative jestures to a force that could sqwash you is really dumb. It is just as well the US did not take these Seyyed sympathizers seriously. Of course there will be great stories like these to come to get the oil price up.
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programmer craig

Irresponsible

by programmer craig on

Anonymous - Patriot:
"Who gives a rat's ass if Americans respect the Iraqis?"

That wasn't the point. You argued that Iran had to make sure that America knew Iranians weren't like Iraqis. Implication, that Americans should respect and fear Iranians. I thought it was a silly proposition, because Americans DO respect Iraqis, at least at this point. Why should the US military either respect OR fear the Iranian military? Can you answer that question? This latest episode seems more like abject stupidity than "bravery", to me. Do you think we should respect that? Why?

"These are both our enemies; I mean if you consider yourself to be a child of Iran."

I'm not Iranian. I'm not even Iranian-American. I'm just American.
"Why do I need to give you examples of Iran's bravery?"

Simply because you were the one bragging about it :)

I won't comment on the rest of what you wrote. Much of it was offensive, and none of it was pertinent. Iran failed to defeat Iraq. The US defeated Iraq twice, in two of the shortest wars in history. There's nothing in the Iran/Iraq war that should make Americans afraid of Iran. I don't mean to disparage Iranians, but if you want to bluster and bully and talk about how much everyone fears and respects you, you'll need to do better than hostage taking and an unsuccessful war. Talking about what happened 2000 years ago won't get you far, either.


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Maybe

by Anonymous - Patriot (not verified) on

Programmer Craig,

Who gives a rat's ass if Americans respect the Iraqis? These are both our enemies; I mean if you consider yourself to be a child of Iran. Why do I need to give you examples of Iran's bravery? Don't you remember (or did you ever read) the history of the cowardly Iraqi attack on Iran? How could you forget when all the key military leaders and defenders of Iran were in jail and we were all going through our madness enghelab phase, the enemy attacked us and let the blood our brothers and sisters paint our sacred lands. Supplied and supported by Rumsfeld, Cheney and Raygun, didn't they get chemical weapons, bombs and intelligence from America and used them to commit geonecide on our people? And don't you remember how the youth of Iran -joined by the same military officers and brave pilots who were just released from jail only to defend the land - using bicycles and their bare feet, without heavy wepons, missiles or battleships, fought the Iraqi's back a milimeter at a time to throw their filthy kind out of our lands? Didn't they throw out America the great slave master at the same time? Where have you been? Stop watching TV and programing your PC and read the history. Go back a few hunderd years, Iranians have never failed to defend their land. I don't consider the pudgy, money-loving, Bush-ass-kissing bunch who call themselves "persian" to be Iranian. And I don't care if you agree with the current regime or not; I just challenge you to love your country and your kind and stand up to defend it from the enemy (that is if Craig stands for Reza or another persian name -BTW: I don't blame you for doing what it takes to survive in the enemy land).

You can forget who you are to survive in this foreign land but at the end "you are what you are!"


programmer craig

Irresponsible

by programmer craig on

Anonymous-patriot:

And the only way to do that is to stand up to
them so they realize Iran is not Iraq.

Iraqis have earned the respect of the US military. Have Iranians? Do we have any evidence that Iranians will fight an occupier as hard as Iraqis have? I'm not aware of any. When was the last time Iran was occupied? For that matter, do we have any evidence that Iran can field any credible insurgency at all? When and wheer have Iranians particiated in largeh numbers in Islamic insurgencies throughout the world, the last 30 years? It seems to me that Iranians are much better at funding Arab, Pakistani and Afghan mujahedeen than they are at actually participating. What's your take on it all, patriot?

But for the sake of argument, lets assume that Iranians are as credible as Arabs, in their willingness to fight and die for their land. When has a willingness to fight, ever averted a war? How often does one nation say "Oh, they are willing to fight us! We better not invade them!!"? Can you give me some examples? Because it seems to me that in 95% of the world's wars (if not more) the defenders ARE willing and able to fight. Wars happen, anyway.

Xerxes:

Strait of Hormoz blong to Iran and those ships that
were carrying deadly weapons were by my country's border.

The arrogance of this statement is appalling, and unworthy oif a serious reply. And since I'm not feeling very funny right now, I'll let soembody else tell jokes about stereotypical Iranians :O

Iranian nationalist: Your comment is beyond arrogance. Why don't you show us your coconut sized balls, and repeat those words around some British or American military personnel? Perhaps they will issue the response you deserve.

Anonymous8:

What possible thing would IRI have to gain by starting a fight now? The
Americans are on their way out. Only an "incident" like this can make
an excuse for them to stay. Think people, think.

You must not be Iranian. You seem to think the Islamic Republic behaves in a rational manner. Look at the comments by some Iranians in this thread for evidence of what the IRI had to gain. Or look at an even more provocative act that is known to have happened recently, with the Islamic Republic taking British naval personnel hostage on the high seas. The US fought TWO wars when foreign powers seized American sailors off their own vessels. One agaisnt teh british in 1812, and one against the Barbary pirates shortly before that. You think we wouldn't do it again? You think the British (or anyone else, for that matter) wouldn't go to war for such cause? What Iran did last year was, in fact, an act of war. The Islamic Republic has a long history of committing acts of war against otehr nations. The siezure of teh US embassy in Tehran in 1979 was an act of war, for instance.

These are called "acts of war" because war is considered a justified and rational response to them. How can you claim that any nation that commits (repeatedly) acts of war against other nations, seeks peace? It's a ridiculous assertion. Peace-seeking nations do not commit acts of war against otehr nations. Does not compute.


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Don't believe these lies

by Anonymous8 (not verified) on

Ever heard of "Gulf of Tonkin" ? Look it up.

What possible thing would IRI have to gain by starting a fight now? The Americans are on their way out. Only an "incident" like this can make an excuse for them to stay. Think people, think.


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To those lying animals who support US government against Iran

by Iranian nationalist (not verified) on

In 1987, the USS Vincennes went into IRANIAN waters and shot down an Iranian passenger airliner. US Vice-President George Bush (father of the current President) went to the UN and lied about everything (just like that filthy scum Colin Powell lied about Iraq's non-existent "WMD" a few years ago): he claimed the plane was descending (a lie, it was ascending) and he claimed the Vincennes was in "International" Waters (a lie, it was in Iranian waters). All of this was later proven to be untrue, just as it came out that the piece-of-garbage British sailors were in Iranian waters when they were detained several months ago.

The same Shahollahis and Rajavists who supported Saddam when he invaded Irnq will work with any of Iran's foreign enemies just so they can sit in the Niavaran Palace again. You are a bunch of traitorous animals for putting out the garbage propaganda of the U.S. government. All Iranian people, including the majority who oppose the IRI, think you are scum. You will never come to power, even when the mollahs fall.


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To those lying animals who support US government against Iran

by Iranian nationalist (not verified) on

In 1987, the USS Vincennes went into IRANIAN waters and shot down an Iranian passenger airliner. US Vice-President George Bush (father of the current President) went to the UN and lied about everything (just like that filthy scum Colin Powell lied about Iraq's non-existent "WMD" a few years ago): he claimed the plane was descending (a lie, it was ascending) and he claimed the Vincennes was in "International" Waters (a lie, it was in Iranian waters). All of this was later proven to be untrue, just as it came out that the piece-of-garbage British sailors were in Iranian waters when they were detained several months ago.

The same Shahollahis and Rajavists who supported Saddam when he invaded Irnq will work with any of Iran's foreign enemies just so they can sit in the Niavaran Palace again. You are a bunch of traitorous animals for putting out the garbage propaganda of the U.S. government. All Iranian people, including the majority who oppose the IRI, think you are scum. You will never come to power, even when the mollahs fall.


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Coconut sightings

by Iva (not verified) on

In yet another report, the size of Iranian Army's balls (read coconuts) were measured. First in line were the moslem soldiers in Hamedan whom not long ago RAPED and KILLED a defenseless female doctor using solely their coconut size balls. Second in line was Judge Mortazavi who also RAPED and KILLED a female reporter. Needless to say, Judge Mortazavi must own the biggest coconuts since the defenseless female reporter had Canadian citizenship.

Coconut measurement of islamic elite forces continues to this date. Once in while islamic Gestapo propaganda machine publishes pictures where molsem elite forces done EXECUTIONAIR masks and gang up on drug addicts, tie them up and then jump on defenseless men. and as of late ... these ballsie moslem elite forces have targeted those vicious female booths ... once again they have been victorious. PLEASE ... 3 hoorays for men with such guts ... I mean balls.


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RE: programmer crai

by XerXes (not verified) on

This is an irresponcible act by the American navy to be around the Iranian waters. Strait of Hormoz blong to Iran and those ships that were carrying deadly weapons were by my country's border. I think if the United States doesn't exit Iranian waters then they will be captured and have to appologize to the Iranian people just like the British sailors did some time ago. Let's hope that the Navy wises up, which I think they did since they left the scene as fast as they could. Iranian Navy showed that they are aware of the Foreign spying on their waters and taking their security very seriously.


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Patriot and Coward

by Anonymous-patriot (not verified) on

I realize Iranian expats come in many flavors, shapes and sizes. We pride ourselves at being independent thinkers, rarely giving anyone else the credit of being right no matter what the subject. So who am I to break with tradition?

To keep with our tradition, Alimostofi, let me tell you how wrong you are. Regardless of your politics, you should stand at awe of the brave young people who dare stand up to the global arrogance. Sitting in their tin boats, they take leaps of faith at the murdering cowards hiding behind their Trillion dollar arms programs and genocidal weapons. Who among the so called “freedom loving”, suburb dwelling, sports watching, apathetic, Bush ass-kissing lot of you would be willing to defend the mother country against these thugs?

Bush/Cheney/Olmert triad has been driving this banana republic toward war with Iran for some time. Their mission in life is to cause serious harm to our kind, and we sit here saying its dumb to defend Iran against the marauders. Is it not this bunch that cheats, lies regularly and will do anything to drop the bomb on Iran? Hasn’t this bunch of hoodlums gone and pissed on the US Constitution so many times the past seven years that it has pretty much all but faded away? Go to the National Archives and see it for yourself if you don’t believe me.

This bunch of war criminals should be resisted before they bomb Iran back to the 7th century. And the only way to do that is to stand up to them so they realize Iran is not Iraq. Even if you disagree with the regime, you should realize that these kids are willing to give their life to defend Iran and that should be enough, even for our disagreeable clan to give them the respect and admiration they deserve.

Don’t forget that the resource-stealing, nation-bankrupting bunch of liars who run America today will keep pushing their oxymoronic “Judeo-Christian democratic values” to the tyrannical regimes they enslave around the world. And why is this any better than the religious regime in Iran?. At least IRI calls itself a religious republic and does not hide behind bullshit thing they call democracy around here.

So when our boys say “I am coming at you and you will blow up” it echoes the words used by the mighty battleships of Raygun Ronnie era running at defenseless Iranian boats during Iran-Iraq war saying “Iranian ship, abandon your course or I will sink you”. Its tit-for-tat so the bully realizes we are not afraid. The funny thing is that the bully would never fight a battle where it does not have a 10,000 to 1 advantage so when they see our boys rushing their nuclear destroyer with tin can boats they are surprised. Don’t you be surprised though because you know in your heart the lesson of history. Iranians will rise up to defend their nation when it is threatened by the enemy. And the bully-coward knows that and our boys will remind him of it just so he does not foreget.

Go Iran!


programmer craig

Irresponsible

by programmer craig on

I'm very surprised even the Islamic Republic is this irresponsible. This is very similar to the situation when the Iranian passenger jet wmistakenly shot down, back in the 1980s. Iranian cowboys in fast boats were firing on US Navy ships when that jet unfortunately flew right through the middle of it all shortly after take-off.

 


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Why should we believe the

by Fatollah (not verified) on

Why should we believe the alleged radio transmission! Well, Oil prices are predicted to reach near 200 dollars a barrel in 2008. I wonder who will make the profit? Definitly, not the IraQi children! Fatollah


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Mullahs and Wars!

by Naazokbin (not verified) on

The mullahs and their bedfellows know the end of their bloody rule is near, so they are desperate to bring another misery on Iranians before they go.

Recent reports from Iran all indicate that the mullahs are more fearful of Iranians or the real threat from within than the imaginary threat of a war with Israel or America.

They welcome any war as long as it will help them stay in power.


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This Is How Wars Start

by ConcernedAnonymous (not verified) on

The CIA pays a few people in Iran to stage such a "provocation." They might even do it a few times before the US is "forced" to fire on them and then the IRI "understandably" must reply to the fire and ... Next thing we know, we have a nice war on our hand which the US "did not Start it!"

Traitors on the IRI side, working hand in hands with criminals on the CIA/Pentagon side, benefiting the warmongers and arms manufacturers, and the likes. People pay with their blood. Business as usual.


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Balls size of a coconut

by vatandoost (not verified) on

This is to all those that keep saying too bad they didn't blow up the IR boats and actually defend US in this incident.
First of all, let's get something clear, a bunch of 20 year olds who just 4 months ago were drinking COORS LIGHT at a local pub somewhere in US do not have the balls to shoot. secondly, playing Xbox360 24/7 does not give you the courage to shoot.
Surprisingly they were smart enough to know that messing with Sepah's men means eating chelokabab and apologizing to Iranian Nation on national TV in a few days. Your British buddies used to think they were tough too...but they also relied heavily on their experiences on Xbox 360, and under-estimated the Iranian nutjobs, who I AM VERY PROUD OF, being a patriot!
I know US has the technology but it is useless unless they can grow BALLS as big as those of Iran's Army men, and that's coconut size my friends... coconut !


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Ali Mostofi, GO BACK TO ASTROLOGY

by aryahmehr (not verified) on

You are a con-man, you work as an astrologist as a profession (which is a backward and deceiving profession that fools people into believing what you tell them).

Stay away from Iran and politics. We do not need your folk in Iran's business. You lie and deceive.

Go back to astrology, politics is not for you.


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None of the country is being run by the same forces.

by Anon (not verified) on

Everything in Iran is run by the "Setad" (the Setadeh Pasdaran, or the IRGC, or the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps)...they have their grubby little fingers in every aspect of the society in Iran.


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IRI showing muscle

by XerXes (not verified) on

Nothing wrong with that. The Americans call that the International waters. I call the Strait of Hormoz "The Iranian Waters". I believe that all the foreign forced must leave the Iranian territories immediately.


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Faribors Maleknasri, IRI Agent: Stop Posting Irrelevent Stuff

by A.nonymous (not verified) on

You backward Islamist! Get a life!


alimostofi

International waters is from

by alimostofi on

International waters is from 12 miles. This incident took place 08:00 hrs local time, at 15 miles. This is what Cosgriff has just said on CNN live. He says that they have been approached before, but this one was unduly provocative, and not "normal". There are very strict codes of conduct in the Strait, and all traffic usually follow. In fact the Iranian Navy later announced that they recognized the US ship.
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And this brings up two questions.

1. Is the Iranian Navy, as opposed to the Seyyed Navy, still holding the Iranian level-headedness?
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2. And on a larger scale how much is the country still being run by the same forces thirty years ago, such as the Gendermerie, and the regular Army?
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Ali Mostofi

http://www.alimostofi.com

 


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REPLY : TOO BAD..................

by Faribors Maleknasri M.D. (not verified) on

Why not first hear also the other side and then judge? Hier is what the other side says to the happening and also to other affaiars:
US statement 'psychological warfare'
Sun, 06 Jan 2008 13:05:47
FM Spokesman of the ISLAMIC REPUBLIC of IRAN Mohammad-Ali Hosseini says:
The recent statement issued by the US State Department aimed at waging psychological warfare against Tehran, Iran's FM spokesman says.

Foreign Ministry Spokesman Mohammad-Ali Hosseini made the remark at his weekly press conference while pointing to Washington's statement on travel to Iran by foreign citizens and Iranians residing in the US.

"The US disinformation is aimed at continuing its poisonous propaganda against Iran," he said.

The US Department of State recently warned US citizens to carefully consider the risks of travel to Iran, alleging dual national Iranian-American citizens may encounter difficulty in departing Iran or may be subject to harassment or arrest in Iran.

Meeting between Velayati and Sarkozy.

He added that the Iranian Leader's Advisor on International Affairs Ali-Akbar Velayati and the French President Nicolas Sarkozy had held a meeting three months ago.

Iran's membership in UNSC

Asked about Iran's membership in the United Nations Security Council and whether Libya had taken Iran's place at the council, the spokesman said, "Membership of the Islamic Republic at the Security Council is on Iran's agenda for next year."

"Another country also has made known its intention to seek UNSC membership, but Libya's membership has nothing to do with Iran's," he added.

Halt of Turkmenistan's gas exports to Iran

The Foreign Ministry spokesman stressed that technical problems were the main reason behind the suspension of Turkmenistan's gas exports to Iran.

Iran's Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki held talks with his Turkmen counterpart to settle the problem, Hosseini said, adding that Iran has a 25-year agreement with Turkmenistan.

He noted that any issue concerning a price increase can be raised within the framework of the 25-year accord between the two countries.

Afghan refugees

In response to a question on deportation of Afghan refugees from Iran and the Afghan government's call on Iran to be more patient, Hosseini said, "If foreign nationals, Afghans and non-Afghans included, have legal permission to reside and work in Iran, they will have no problem."

Iran lays emphasis on the impermissibility of illegal entrance, residence and occupation in the country, an issue to which several countries have shown reaction across the world, he said, noting that Iran has always supported the people and government of Afghanistan.
I just can not understand why Iranian navy is the one who provocates. I mean why dont they let the Warships of the not soo great any more satan come and take away whatever they want? why do they - just imagin with thier wooden boots which thier only appropriate usage is fishing in Gulf - go too near to the warships of strangers? every body knowes that those wooden boots were constructed by you honorable Passdaran during the first gulfwar. They run 80 seemiles per hour. In those days you beloved Passdaran cotrolled all ships crossing the Gulf to prevent bringing more weappons for sadam. Now the construction are more developped, your Boots run with a higher spped. But all these facts do not count. DONT FORGET: YOUR BOOTS ARE JUST SIMPLE FISHING BOOTS: YOU CAN NOT START FIGHTING AGAINST IN HIS DEATHBED LAYING SATAN: BECAUSE SOME POEPLE IN THE DIASPORA WANT YOU NOT BEING ABLE TO SUCH A FIGHT: DO YOU UNDERSTAND? I say: Please Dear PASSDARAN let the strangers come and they will let others come to perform statute labor and slave away for them. as it was the case in the time 1952/53 till 1978/79 in your country. Dont force the devils yet do not provocate them by controlling them after they have entered your watterways to set something out of order by shooting. I can not say OUR waterways. The waterways in the Gulf - specially the straight of Hormoz where the devilish warship had been snapped - belong to the ISLAMIC REPUBLIC of IRAN which is founded by the honorable Iranian Nation. To this nation count - up to my opinion - only the ones who have founded and live in Todays Iran and are willing to protect it. If somebody who li9ves in the diaspora and stil is worried about OUR integrity so I respect his opinion. Greeting


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Don't be fooled

by Ralph Loren and Seyedol-Shohada, ya moosbaneh jafar......... (not verified) on

Oil is coming down and this is a mutual manouver to push the price up again. All such moves are agreed in advance. You can see the oil market is shaky and price depletion can be devestating for the oil companies which feed Pentagon and IRI....


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too bad

by MRX (not verified) on

U.S navy didn't shoot these stupid boats that usually low life rev guards operate and blow them to pieces. This jack asses untill they get us into another war and destroy the country completely will not be done.