Pretending to be Iranian

alimostofi
by alimostofi
04-Dec-2011
 

You will hear that The Hezbollah Party in Iran has just stopped a US drone.

http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/News/Article.as...

Aything to justify to the Iranian nation, that they have the best interest of Iran in hand. Sounds like the Iran-Iraq war?

That is exactly what happens, when a bad government wants to get the blessing of the people. We Iranians must treat them as the Afghans have treated The Taliban.

Once we call them aliens, and point out their bases, then they cannot pretend to be Iranians. They kill Iranians first.

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Thank God brother VPK that you are not my teacher. I would have been eternally damned if you were. As for brother (converted to self mmde zorasterian Ali) I have discovered that you are a seyyed via your mother. Is this why you hate Islam. I thought hate is not a zorasterian thing.

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Thanks I know and we got to do something about it. The only real fix I see if a total rejection of Islam. It has to be an overwhelming heart felt rejection. Do that and we are released. Otherwise half measures will not do.

Regarding the Palestinians. I am not sure why but Palestinians are really good at making enemies. Anyone with a brain knows you don't ask an Iranian to speak Arabic. Is this family trying to alienate Iranians?  Was it not bad enough to side with Saddam.

I used to feel bad for them really bad. But their actions over and over changed me. I am not anti Arab racist. But I want my nations to be Iran; Persian speaking and respectful of our history. Is that too much t o ask if it is then too bad!


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Iranian philosophy is all about tolerance. Iranians around the world are known for their manners. We can tolerate anyone who does not pretend.

The Hezbollah Party in Iran pretends to be Iranian and kills Iranians. Then you have them pretending to represent Iran at UN. But worse than all of this, is USA and UN treating them as Iranian.

This whole Nuclear saga was created to make them appear to have Iran's best interest at hand. How can we tolerate that?

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I agree with all of you even Fesenjoon. Iran is occupied by Islamists. The people who invaded 1400 years ago. My brother once said: they never left Iran and are still there.

 


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I am not a "convert" to Zoroastrian. My ancestors were Zoroastrian. For a few generations we pretended to be Muslim. Because we preferred not to be murdered by Islamists. Now in America I don't need to pretend to be a Muslim. 

Now I  am sorry but you don't know what you are talking about. Or you do know but are deliberately trying to mast mali things.

  • Barmigozinam means "I Choose". It is no superficial rather very deep. 
  • Islam is "submit or die". 

If you stopped "balghooring" Arabic and learned a few things in Persian I would not need to do all this explanations for you. But I am not your teacher and this conversation is between Alimostfi and I. 


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If we go by your superficial intepretation of free will then ALL religions are free spirited brothers. See these verses:

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Yasna 28-2 if I am not mistaken.  Here is a Farsi version unless you know Avestan.

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VPK: can you point out the exact chapter in Yasna please.

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What I read in Avesta does promote independent thought. One must "with an open heart and mind" (best translation I am able to do) accept it. Zoroastrianism may not be forced on anyone because it requires thought. 

That puts it aside from Abrahamic religions which require submission. In other words you are right!  

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Can we talk about the places where Free Will is mentioned in Zend-Avesta.

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Whatever about orders it does not matter; no one takes orders from anyone. 

Religion fries or rots the mind. Because it goes against reason. Islam is the worst of them because it wants total submission. When you submit you don't think. If you think and reach a different result then you get condemned to death. Here are some:

  • What if I reasoned and decided there is no Allah.
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Iran is still occupied by Arabic speakers and those loyal to Islam. The majority do not want this and regain their rights. One day Iranian people are going to reject this ***. Forced conversion to Islam will be reversed. Jews of Isfahan will reclaim their heritage. As will Zoroastrians; Christians and others. Safavids pushed Shai on people by force and ignorance. The force is there but the ignorance is gone. When the force is removed there will be a flight away from Islam as you never saw before.


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Sorry for the short replies but I need to prepare the family for "sineh-zani" on these saddest of days of Tasu'a and Ahura.

 

Brother VPK

I never order any one around. I only ask a rquest. I know that here is not the Islamic republic. This is why i hope you brothers will listen to reason.

 

Brother Fesenjoon number 2

 

First the Iranian regime is a shame for shiites and secondly the do all those thing that yoy say because of their belif system - nit because of their iraanianess. You answered you own question brother.

 

Brother Religion out of government,

 

I am happy that you found me entertaining but I am not sure what yo mean by frying brains. I am hoping that today after sineh-zani they give us some rich dish of gheymeh polo but after I read your comment I wish they give us khoraak - maghz. I rememebr you brother. 

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If "Iranianness has nothing to do with belief" then why is the Shia regime of Iran driving out Bahais, banning Sufis, pressuring Sunnis, and treating all minorities like shit? Why do they burn Christian bibles, deny the existence of Mandaeans, and humiliate Iranian Jews by supporting Nazi groups and demonizing them?

 


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Go on; stomp your feet  no one is taking orders from you!  I know you are used to giving orders. But this is not the Islamic Republic.

People were willing to live with Islamists once: not any more. 

 


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but IRANIANNESS has NOTHING to do with your belief system.Whethers you are a hezbollahi, basiji, zartoshti (even with a mulsim name like Ali), commie, kiani, massadeqi, pahlavist, MKO .... they are IRANIAN. Now stop this nonsense. 

 

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Did you say you hear small voices? 

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I agree with all of you even Fesenjoon. Iran is occupied by Islamists. The people who invaded 1400 years ago. My brother once said: they never left Iran and are still there.

The inevitable conclusion is this. Iran is occupied. No different than Vichy France. Therefore anything goes in removing IRI. It makes no sense "to fight" to preserve the IRI. In fact a patriotic Iranian has all the reasons to fight to remove the Islamic Republic.

There is a note of caution I will add. An enemy or my enemy is not necessarily my friend. Before siding with a group make sure they are really your friends.


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F: thank you for your comment.

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Thank You both

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You are right.

Iran is occupied indeed.

And the occupying forces want war to become like their lord Hosayn. 


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M: How are you dear friend? .......

When scientists discover a new virus, they all agree to call it by the same name. That is where we went wrong. That is what I say. Maybe it is because that is what Princeton Palaeontology taught me. But if we all use the correct terminologies, we will win the propaGANDa war.

The Hezbollah Party in Iran wants, to hide in the name of Iran. The US forces will not help Iranians,.because they say they will be attacking "Iran". How come they help Afghans?

Stop using the word "Iran".

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Great Post Mostofi

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The sooner we recognize our nation has been occupied - the sooner we free it of all such aliens...