Obama's Nobel

alimostofi
by alimostofi
09-Oct-2009
 

A look at the reaction people have given to Obama winning the Nobel Peace Prize makes you think, how important it really was for him to greet the Moslem world.

http://views.washingtonpost.com/post-user-polls/20...

But more importantly it means that the radicals in the Moslem world, especially the Seyyeds in Iran, cannot take this man lightly.

Now for the first time ever we have a US President who has all the accolades to not be brushed off by groups like the Non-Aligned nations, who support the Seyyeds.

Once the nuclear deadlines with the Seyyeds are passed, there will be no excuse for anyone to oppose what US foreign policy dictates.

So if the US does attack anyone, it would have been done in good judgement. We are led to believe anyway.

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Ramin jaan and craig jaan,

Thanks for your kind words and you guys are right on the money, as always.

Ostaad is a lost soul. That’s just bottom line. Honestly who supports this regime anymore? The regime itself has lost every faith in itself, has lost confidence, credibility, reputation, even the few friends it had are abandoning it quick because they know sooner or later (most probably sooner) the Iranian people will topple this regime, so they don’t wanna break their ties with the Iranian people. So with the exception of few Islamist and Leftist and few Neo Communist Iranians on this site such as Shah Gholam and Ostaad, no one has the slightest belief in this regime, its ideology or its future.

When Ostaad comes out here and parrots IRIs propaganda, he is doing that out of desperation. This lost soul is telling me “why you said Gulf instead of the Persian Gulf”?? is that all you have idiot? Is that all you can say? You got nothing else on me and that’s what you can come up with? just like your beloved IRI regime. it has nothing else to say but bashing Israel. For these people, in order to survive, others have to look bad. That’s why it’s so hated, because it messes with everyone. Off course its Persian Gulf.

And as far as the wars goes, the Afghanistan war was approved by American people, U.N, E.U, Islamic countries (even IRI), world public opinion, American public opinion..and most importantly, the Afghani people. So you coming here after 8 years bashing that war makes you part of a very few delusional and lost Neo Communists who are blind to everything that goes around them.

As far as the economy goes, this goes back to deregulation and uncontrolled greed going back to mid 1980s. It takes some time for it to take effect.


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Ali I am not your student. Take the cotton out of your ears! ;-)

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Anonymouse, as a student of

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Anonymouse, as a student of mine now for God knows how many years, you need to clean your ears!

Goosh Bede! I have always said non-violence starts from the moment the person picks up his pen and then provokes the Seyyed government to open dialogue.

The moment we can get public exposure, and dialogue, we have obtained non-violent resistance and non-violent engagement. At that point the non-violent movement has won.

Why? You say. Because they (that is the Seyyeds) cannot win that engagement. The questions put to them will make them look so inferior and illegitimate, that they would not be able to reply, and would have to admit, in public, their situation and suffer extreme humiliation and defeat.

No swords would be necessary.

Do you now understand? Ya na? Shall I elaborate, because I can, and I will bore you to tears. I have, after all, been doing this spiel for thirty years. Ajaba!

Ali Mostofi

http://www.alimostofi.com

 


Anonymouse

Craig u want backup/truth? U-can't-handle-the-truth! I already

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I already gave the backup when compared it to Iranian cause of peace and democracy. What alimostofi said about cause of peace is not correct.

I think he wants non-violence when it is done, signed and delivered, like Gandi or MLKOngoing non violence movements are not worthy.

Besides after 3 - 4 days of talks (on TV), it is now clear why it was given to him and why some don't like it.  So there is the backup too. Take your pick.

Everything is sacred.


alimostofi

Ramin Parsa, I find it quite

by alimostofi on

Ramin Parsa, I find it quite hard to digest the proposition of the US, or for that matter anyone other than Iranians, creating a regime change.

Ebadi's activities have not changed one iota ever since she got the Prize. I do not expect Obama's would either. All that has happened, is that people have or will consider, peace activities of the winner more closely. But don't hold your breath, nothing much will happen.

The world, quite frankly, does not care about Iran. The people of Iran, and those that are thieves, care about Iran. The Seyyeds have an agenda, and that is what the only worry is. The media or Chinese are the only ones who can sort that out.

The Chinese will have to, as their western provinces will give them even more head-aches in the future. Eventually, Al-Qaeda will spread to their eastern provinces, and the western industrial complexes there will be targeted.

Iran then will be free, once China begins to have its own political problems, and the US companies flee from there, unable to produce cheap goods anymore.

So the bottom line is the abuse of the labour force by the world multinationals, and the abundance of cheap energy provided to them indirectly in China from Iran.

Ali Mostofi

http://www.alimostofi.com

 


ramin parsa

Ostaad

by ramin parsa on

is in the business of telling lies, pure and simple. No one should be fooled. This is a very disturbing character, who to this day, supports the disgusting IRI in almost every one of his posts. He is, perhaps, even worst than his bearded masters, for he earns his living legitimizing evil men.

Farhad Kashani, on the other hand, is almost always right on the money, and fair, and absolutely right to point out that the morally bankrupt left is at it again, giving this highly politcal award to a man who does not deserve it, so as to manipulate world affairs.

These morally bankrupt Europeans did the same thing with Shirin Ebadi, who deserved the award much more than Obama, but nonetheless, was given the prize in a very manipulative political atmosphere, i.e, so as to tie the hands of the Americans and discourage them from pursuing regime change in Iran.

In other words, they pointed their filthy fingers at Shirin Ebadi's award so as to say to America, "Hands off Iran! Look they're progressing toward their own version of democracy. They even have a woman who is a lawyer and received our fabulous peace prize. So, let's work with this regime, instead of trying to remove it."

Nobel Peace Prize = a very politcal award handed out by highly decadent and deceptive Europeans furthering their mercantilist agenda!


alimostofi

From the EU perspective (as

by alimostofi on

From the EU perspective (as craig puts it), the US banking and insurance system is actually now much more socialistic than anything in EU. The US Treasury market rules.

Then there are those in US, who advocate not spending a penny more on keeping the peace in the mideast, than to spend it on the new health system. Obama will have to balance his foreign policy with his health policy. That's tough. Is it easier to spend more on troops in Waziristan or more on a National Health system?

So the US is pretty stuck, and it really cannot afford to be keeper of world peace and save itself.

But the world is getting smaller as the internet is bringing all of us together. We all see and feel each other from vast distances. We are all dynamic and very smart, and no generalization applies very long.

For sure the Chinese hold most of the cards, as they hold most of the US Treasuries. But then the US companies can pull out of there. It is all well balanced and interdependant.

We are in the end game, as the Chinese supply the Seyyeds with gasoline and buy crude oil at low prices. Obama needs to be very careful how many Chinese firms he puts on his sanctions list.

Luckily all of this will become apparent quite soon.

Ali Mostofi

http://www.alimostofi.com

 


paradochshund

ex programmer craig: bush is gone, it's over!

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a new era is beginning. This is the first sign!

America lives again!


ex programmer craig

FK

by ex programmer craig on

...this is why the Left and Islamists gang up against the civilized world led by the U.S.

You hit the nail on the head with that statement. The civilized world IS led by the US. In fact, the WHOLE world is led by the US.

And the Europeans hate that. The Europeans think they should be the world leaders. That's what they used to be, and that's how they still see themselves.

And that's why they gave this Nobel Peace Prize to Obama. Not because he deserves it, but because they think Obama's Presidency gives more credibilty to Europe and vindicates the Euro-centric world view. And they feel by recognizing Obama for being an honorary euro-weenie, they can take credit for "rehabilitating" the US.

That's really the beginning and the end of the story, in my opinion.

Oh, well. Nothing to be done about it. It's not like Obama is going to refuse the award or something.


ex programmer craig

alimostofi

by ex programmer craig on

Who was it that made "european this" and "european that" comments.

That was me!

Oh please, this is not a "European" accolade per se.

Of course it is. Not only is it technically incorrect to claim it is anything but a European award seeing as how Europeans are the only ones who get any say in who is nominated, who is selected, or what the criteria is for the whole process, but the award itself has been used politically to promote European values since its inception. Lately, that means it is used to promote "democratic socialism" and other philosophies held in high regard by Western Europe. And before you claim those values are not exclusively European, I will point out that they ARE exclusively European. The whole idea of a socialist utopia was born in Europe and no place else. The only reason people in other parts of the world share those ideals at this late date is that Europeans have had some success with exporting them, one way or another. It was bad enough when they began seeing the UN as their vehicle for ushering in the new world order, but when they start awarding "prestigious" prizes just because somebody behaves in the way that Europe wants them too? Bleh. The whole thing has become quite disgusting. Cultural imperialism at its worst. And they claim to be anti-imperialists? lol.

I do not agree with what The Guardian says either.

Why not? They were being honest. Honesty is all that's left, once the realization strikes home how hollow all the lies sound.

But you can see that, as some have
pointed out, the Nobel Committee wants to make sure that Obama is more
than just the President of United States.

They want to bring the US to Europe's heel. Where they think the US belongs. I suspect this is going to backfire in the long run, though, as everything else the Euros have tried to do the last 20 years to get the US to toe the line has. The US has not been further from Western Europe during my lifetime than it is today. And, Obama doesn't seem like he likes Europeans very much, to me. Which is one thing about Obama that I actually approve of :D

He must then not succumb to
the warmongering members of the US congress.

Eh? Who would that be? The democrats have a super-majority in both the house and the senate. They can do wahtever the hell they want, and nobody can stop them. I hope everyone has as much fun with that as I know I will be! At least I can look on the bright side and smirk at how hard they seem to be working at getting themselves back into minority status in the next couple of elections, right? But how much damage are they going to do between now and then? And how hard will it be for the people who come after them to fix it? That's what I worry about. As for you, well... who are you going to blame if the people you wanted in office are the ones who hose everything up for you? That's the boat I was in when the Republicans started acting like a bunch of money grubbing retards a few years back, so I don't envy you one bit!


alimostofi

And now we have the stupid

by alimostofi on

And now we have the stupid comment from the Seyyeds as I expected.

Read this:

"This decision was made in haste and the prize was awarded prematurely. However, we will support and welcome the move if it helps promote peace and harmony in war-wary countries," Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki stressed.

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=880718...

This Mottaki character has to say something somewhat derogatory hasn't he? He just couldn't keep his trap shut, or say some plain vanilla boring comment.

Obviously the Seyyeds' FM illegally representing Iran, wanted Obama to be responsible for future wrong doings, which would then have made less of respectable candidate for the prize.

This means that the Seyyeds are now less likely to get the ear of the non-aligned nations who trust the US more.

Or maybe I am reading too much into this?

Ali Mostofi

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Ostaad

Kashani, now that I'm "exposed"...

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I think I am going to go to one of those countries located in the part of the world you keep calling "the Gulf" and hide - very "Iranian" of you to refer to the Persian Gulf using its Saudi Arabian/Egyptian/Hamas name.

BTW, Bush gets "hammered" becasue it started a couple of wars of choice withoug having a clue how to execute or finish them, ruined the US economy and created unprecedented fiscal and trade deficits. I'm sure he would have been given a Nobel Peace Prize for being bad president, if there were one to give.

I'd challenge you to refute any of those facts. 


Farhad Kashani

All of this is a part of

by Farhad Kashani on

All of this is a part of the global Leftist movement attempt to tie the hands of America doing what needs to be done. I really appreciate Obama’s own confession that he was surprised and thinks he doesn’t deserve it. The man is sincerely honest.

All this is to encourage America’s retreat to its own borders and let devilish type regimes such as China, Russia, Iran and others to take the upper hand. This is the same reason why Michael Moore gets recognized in all foreign movie festivals, and this why they demonized Republicans, and this is why that idiot Jimmy Carter gets recognized, and that’s why Bush got hammered with irrational and blind propaganda and this is why countries who have 1000 Guantanamo talk about nothing else than Guantanamo and this is why countries who have their population starving and malnourished and no health care demonize and talk about America’s health care system and this is why the Left and Islamists gang up against the civilized world led by the U.S and this is why U.S is chastised for crime rates where as the most dangerous cities in the world are Moscow and Milan and the list goes on!

All and all, part of a global movement to demonize America and bring it down. This movement is not necessarily co ordinated, but definitely all inspired by the same ideology.

At the end of the day, America and all the free world, including hopefully one day Iran, will have the last laugh.

KoroushS jaan and craig, dont listen to this Ostaad character. he is desperate. He knows his beloved Fascist regime in Tehran is dying, thats why he's here thinking by spitting lies and falsifying facts, he can save the criminal regime. Good job exposing him though!


alimostofi

I could not believe this

by alimostofi on

I could not believe this comment from The Guardian:

The reality is that the award is less a recognition of Mr Obama's achievements than a mark of thanks from the world for his not being George W Bush.

http://m.guardian.co.uk/ms/p/gmg/op/sSiWUPy8jkL90X...

Who was it that made "european this" and "european that" comments. Oh please, this is not a "European" accolade per se. I do not agree with what The Guardian says either. But you can see that, as some have pointed out, the Nobel Committee wants to make sure that Obama is more than just the President of United States. He must then not succumb to the warmongering members of the US congress.

Ultimately it is about money, and the money is not the petty amount the Nobel Prize provides. It is the amount of money which the Peace Dividend can provide vs the business the war can bring to the US MIC. Please note that this little bounce we have in the markets might prove to be a mirage. If it is, then the only way to jump start the economy is with war. So if he can not be US centric, whatever the economy does, then the Prize has done its trick. But I am not going to hold my breadth.

The good news is, that we will soon see the Seyyeds reply in an abnoxious and arrogant enough way to make Obama look good.

But as far as the opposition is concerned, we are spending too much time concentrating on this episode, instead of bridge building for a government in exile. Think clearly. Set your priorities. We have to put our plans without the US being part of the equation. We need to reflect our integrity from our own heritage. But then you all know this.

Ali Mostofi

http://www.alimostofi.com

 


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But craig:

Too soon to see any results. remember Bush was the one who came up with the idea of Stimulating the economy and his Goldman sachs Groupies followed it right to the last letter.  how can you judge so fast and swift? Don't youthink there was a hint of socialism with what bush did as well? Why is all the blame is being dumped on obama?

This is not a socialist country and is not even close to getting to be like one. I also think that this country has had too long a love affair with capitalism to just give it all up over night. IF you think obama is the embodiment of socialism then obviously youhave no idea what socialism is.

People's opinion change like the direction of the wind. There is no way you can find harmony in it all the time. What they think and favor today may be dramatically different one a week later. besides, many of the "polls" are conducted on such small scales, it could be in many cases highly unreliable. I am talking to a Big prick, so you do forgive me if i see the urgency to act like one? Being less or more of a prick is really not the issue, Marine dude.

I don't loathe 5 billion people around the world, You military, war-minded man. You are an angry man aren't ya? My god. Rush is an idiot and fox news spews BS, If you are denying that, then it is you who is having major,major problems.

I am totally wrong about the regulars? LOL and that makes you Mr. Always right? Wake up marine dude. Unlike you, i am not into the score-keeping game children always play. I say what i think it is right to say and i could care less about the insults that you and those like you hurl at me. Engaging in a discussion is about exchanging views and not about establishig who is totally right or dead wrong. They didn't teach you that in your training? Of course not. You were trained to fight.

Craig: Is that your assessment as somebody who likes to make random and dishonest personal attacks on strangers? :p

KouroshS: What the hell are you talking about man???

I was pointing out that it seems a bit odd for a person who seems to enjoy insulting people for no particular reason to be vouching for the diplomatic skills of Obama. Or anyone else, for that matter. You know nothing of tact. So if you like Obama's approach it is because it fits your agenda. Not because you think it is more appropriate. Same with your remarks re: Bush. You are a much more vicious person than Bush on his worst day, so on what basis could you criticize him for his brutish manner? lol. Your criticism of Bush is because his stance didn't favor your agenda.

really? And How do you base your arguments when talking in favor of whomever fits your agenda?

I Must say that i am very, oh so very very amused by your sense of humor. Ha. ha, Ha. You have got more jokes?

I have to admit I get a kick out of seeing people with massive personality defects attempting to vouch for the good (or bad) character of politicians. It's like somebody with no morals whatsoever accusing someone else of bad behavior, or saying somebody else is trustworthy.

Ah... Look here. Look who is talking about Personality defects. And you... You are the God himself right? You possess all the morality all The rightoeusness... To say what is right or rather who is right and wrong.

To Think that others on this thread have defects says volumes about your arrogance and Big ego. Which i am sure was instilled in you as a marine. Poor boy. You have been through some rough times. NOw you are back in the real world and lashing out... Oh well.

 


ex programmer craig

PS KouroshS

by ex programmer craig on

Theynever care about who or what  caused the problem, all they want is
for someone to come in quickly and fix all that is wrong.

 

You don't even bother to find out what people are complaining about, before you put words in their mouth and accuse them of pointless whining? lol.

My issue with Obama's social agenda is not that I think it's taking too long. It's that I think it will not only not work at all, but it will make the problem dramatically worse. This is not a socialist country. It never has been and God willing it never will be. Obama is clearly a socialist. I wasn't sure 6 months ago, though I suspected. I am sure now. Whether you like socialism or not, I think even you would have to agree that me not wanting my capitalist system converted to a socialist one is a much more severe grievance than "he's not fixing it fast enough waaaahhhh" like you tried to pin on me, right?

And in future, you might wanna try finding out what people's opinions actually are before you start hammering them. It'll make you look less like a prick. It'll also make you more credible when you decide to whine about Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, or any of the 5 billion other people on planet earth that you loathe. I mean, if you're totally wrong (constantly) about the regulars right here on this website, what are the odds that you are right about somebody you've never even engaged in a discussion with? Nil?


ex programmer craig

KouroshS

by ex programmer craig on

Craig: Is that your assessment as somebody who likes to make random and dishonest personal attacks on strangers? :p

KouroshS: What the hell are you talking about man???

I was pointing out that it seems a bit odd for a person who seems to enjoy insulting people for no particular reason to be vouching for the diplomatic skills of Obama. Or anyone else, for that matter. You know nothing of tact. So if you like Obama's approach it is because it fits your agenda. Not because you think it is more appropriate. Same with your remarks re: Bush. You are a much more vicious person than Bush on his worst day, so on what basis could you criticize him for his brutish manner? lol. Your criticism of Bush is because his stance didn't favor your agenda.

I have to admit I get a kick out of seeing people with massive personality defects attempting to vouch for the good (or bad) character of politicians. It's like somebody with no morals whatsoever accusing someone else of bad behavior, or saying somebody else is trustworthy.


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Ostaad

by KouroshS on

Right on

. Theynever care about who or what  caused the problem, all they want is for someone to come in quickly and fix all that is wrong. They just don't get it that doing thattakes time and so naturallly they start bashing that new person, oh i am sorry, have to be politically correct here... "make specific critiques" about that person.

They will know eventually that this machoism and My way or The highway buisness will have to come to an end and won't work anymore. they don't know that America has failed already in so many aspects and what he has done is to reach out and salvage whatever he can, aliging our goal and aspirations with those of other countries in the world so there will not be any more "gaps" in wealth and healtcare and education and etc... he deserves all the praise that he can get.


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Ad Hominem? Or

by KouroshS on

Are you looking for an excuse?

Oh, well. Thanks for the taking the time to explain things and breaking things down for me. Nothing like a good teacher on a saturday morning,

Whether he was taken aback or surprised, this is not an execise to recognize the difference between themeaning of these two expression, The bottomline, as you know very well but are just in denial about it, he expressed it out of a sense of humbleness and gratitude. The instances that you mentioned, don't really make any sense and are hypothetical at best, They never have a chance of being realized. There is no way a C student   no matter how big the curve is can make the honor roll, or for a mediocare athelete to make MVP simply because the votes will never be there, Those honors will always go tothe BEST.

  haven't done a poll to see where his politcial stance is approved of or where it isn't. He's the President of the United States, and the only thing that matters is whether people in the United States approve of his political positions. It's offensive and condescending for Europeans to be trying to "encourage" a US President to behave in a manner they approve of by giving him what's supposed to be a prestigious international prize for humanitarian efforts. And, I don't know about you, but I've noticed a lot of dismay over this award everywhere EXCEPT Western Europe. That's the observation I made, and that's what I'm sticking with despite your ad hominem attacks on me.

You should have really stopped right there, You have not done any polls, yet you so confidenly decalre that it is only europeans who approve of his politics? he is the Pres. of USA and his policies are apporved by so many in this country. You know very well that there is no one president who is 100% popular, and obama is no exception to that. You don't even know what an ad hominem attack is if it bit you in the back. All you are looking for is an excuse to get you anger out in the open.

Again, I must repeat this that it has been the europeans whohave approved who would receive awards in Science, Literature , Philosopgy and other areas for centuries, are you going to blame them for that too? You have only bothered to see the reaction people have in W. europe and have deliberately closed your eyes and don't see the positive reactions here at home. Why? Because you see people who do that as Dirt and Unworthy of attention. That is what the problem is.

There are no mischaractrizations of what you said, You are in Denial. Face it.

 

Is it Obama's fault he hasn't done anything worthy of the Noble Peace Prize, or is it the Peace Prize Committee's fault for giving it to him anyway? Should I blame Obama for what the Norwegians did? Is it your claim that I have blamed Obama for a decision the Europeans made?

This amounts to an ad hominem, as you are attributing malicious motivation to me that I do not have and that you can't logically infer that I have.

Are you out of your mind?? Did you even read the speech and what was said as the explanation of why this awarded to obama? Are you saying that the noble prize committee does not know what the heck they are doing? If you want to see yourself as the object of some imaginary "attack" go for it buddy. I know that as an ex-marine everything probably seems to you as some kind of attack or a fight. I don't blame ya.

I can Logically find fault with  your argument, because you are discreditting obama's outreach and his vision. That is what was said during the presentation of the award. It is neither the committee's fault nor obama's. it is simply what constitues the premise of qualification in order to be the recipient of such a prestigious award. Are you trying to tell them how to do their job?

Do I have a history of bashing Obama on this website? Or any other?
No. In fact, I went out of my way to state to YOU several months ago
that it isn't my way to bash a popularly elected US President, didn't
I? I am deeply concerned (now) about the situation in Afghanistan and
how he is handling it, and about his domestic agenda here at home, but
even so have you seen me bashing Obama just for the hell of it? No.
You've seen me make specific critiques about particular things he is
doing that I don't approve of.

Several Months ago? Oh i am sorry. I amnot as good a historian as you are. I guess i should goback and check my records. Hmm...I will get back to you on that:) You know, I do have a life.

Of course that you and so many others are deeply concerend about Afghanistan and Iraq and so many internal issues. BUt what do you expect to happen? MIracles? I don't want to goback to this, But who do you think created the situation in those countries? You say that that personis not incharge anymore? Very well, so what needs to be done about it then?

 As for Ostaad, he's lower than dirt in my opinion and that isn't even based on his politics because I don't know what his politics are. I base that on my assessment of his character. I had thought you were better than that. But I think I must have been wrong, considering how many ad hominem attacks on me you squeezed into this one

You Better get a Life. How the hell can you assess someone's character right here on line? You are Joke. All you see is what that person types based on what he or she thinks at themoment and the MOST visible things are that person's political opinions, because politics are what frequently discussed here. You demonstrate your utmost arrogance when you call someone's ideas or worse yet, That person "lower that dirt" . And if you feel like you are being attack maybe it is YOU who is bringing it upon yourself.

I do not, repeat DO NOT give a flying you know what of whetther you though i was better than this or not. You are insane to think that you can actually develope a personal profile of anyone online. That is sheer Lunacy. I can not even belive there are still peple around who make that claim. LOL, wow.

Like i said. You are in denial and There is no mischaractrizations involved. Don't worry one second with whom i side and what happens to my rep on this side. She could be an appologist for any fascist or non facist Gov, in the world. But i like her ideas when it comes to obama and you or nobody, can LOGICALLY based your Judgment of my character on that . You have taken the cake in launching ad homenim attacks. Whom are you kidding?

 

Is that your assessment as somebody who likes to make random and dishonest personal attacks on strangers? :p

What the hell are you talking about man??? I am sorry. But you are not making any sense. FYI, i am not here to make any assessments on anyone in here. That , apparently is what you do. and you are doing heck of a job at it. LOL.

 


NOT_AK69

Obama has less credibility now

by NOT_AK69 on

Even the poll you cite is 55% NO against Obama.
It was joke to give to Gore and it is a bigger joke to give it to Obama.

AK69 WAS HERE


Ostaad

KouroshS, talking to...

by Ostaad on

the ex programmer is like having a convesation with Ahmadinejad's socks! Let's not dwell on what this character says any longer. What's important is to concentrate on what the ever-dwindling extremist right wing Republican fringe is saying in the larger context. This extremist fringe that I call the American Taliban, is praying for America to fail so they can blame it on Obama! They are simply a bunch of America-hating traitors, that's all. Like other endangered species that are put in that position because they have failed to adapt to the evolving environment around them, these folks have been left behind by the US which is not as insular as they like it to be. That's where all the spitefulness, the venom and the pettiness comes from.

Oh BTW, don't forget racism either (;<{| 

 


ex programmer craig

KouroshS

by ex programmer craig on

The Europeans have been making the decision to give the noble prize to
the scientist and writers and philosophers all over the world for
centuries now. Are you just now waking up to that fact? Have you ever
seen anyone receiving any kind of award and not being taken aback by
it? That is a sign of Humbleness and modesty.

Maybe we have a different understanding of what "taken aback" means.

If I'm a C student and I make the honor roll anyway, I'm going to be taken aback.On the other hand, if I'm a B+ student and I make the honor roll, I'll just be surprised and happy that somebody adjusted the curve in my favor.

If I'm a mediocre athlete and I get voted Most Valuable Player, I'm going to be taken aback.  On the other hand, if I'm one of the best players on the team but I personally think another guy is better but I win MVP over him, I'm going to be surprised and maybe I'll think he desrved it more, but I won't be taken aback.

And whoever said that obama's political stance is only approved by
the europeans?

I haven't done a poll to see where his politcial stance is approved of or where it isn't. He's the President of the United States, and the only thing that matters is whether people in the United States approve of his political positions. It's offensive and condescending for Europeans to be trying to "encourage" a US President to behave in a manner they approve of by giving him what's supposed to be a prestigious international prize for humanitarian efforts. And, I don't know about you, but I've noticed a lot of dismay over this award everywhere EXCEPT Western Europe. That's the observation I made, and that's what I'm sticking with despite your ad hominem attacks on me.

The problem is that you see darkness and misery where
others see light and prosperity.

ad hominem.

I listen to someone who shares your
opinion on this everyday on the radio, and get a headache as a result,
and still don't get the demeaning and bashing mentality.

ad hominem.

In your other comment you state that you don't have a problem with
obama getting the prize....Butyour beef is with those who have awarded
it to someone with no major accomplishement??? Is this not the same as
saying you hate the fact that obama got it?

ad hominem and also mischaracterization of what I said.

In this case isn't obama
the person with the lack of acheivements,In your opinion hence your
disapproval for him being awarded?

Is it Obama's fault he hasn't done anything worthy of the Noble Peace Prize, or is it the Peace Prize Committee's fault for giving it to him anyway? Should I blame Obama for what the Norwegians did? Is it your claim that I have blamed Obama for a decision the Europeans made?

This amounts to an ad hominem, as you are attributing malicious motivation to me that I do not have and that you can't logically infer that I have.

Your message to ostaad is typical of those who blindly and
narrow-mindedly bash obama day in and day out.

Do I have a history of bashing Obama on this website? Or any other?
No. In fact, I went out of my way to state to YOU several months ago
that it isn't my way to bash a popularly elected US President, didn't
I? I am deeply concerned (now) about the situation in Afghanistan and
how he is handling it, and about his domestic agenda here at home, but
even so have you seen me bashing Obama just for the hell of it? No.
You've seen me make specific critiques about particular things he is
doing that I don't approve of.

As for Ostaad, he's lower than dirt in my opinion and that isn't even based on his politics because I don't know what his politics are. I base that on my assessment of his character. I had thought you were better than that. But I think I must have been wrong, considering how many ad hominem attacks on me you squeezed into this one comment.

You must have received
the top honors from the EIB (excellence in broadcasting) network or the
limbaugh U. Or that other guy, Boortz, the priest of the church of
naked truth's institution.

Ad hominem. Mischaracterization of my political philosophy (libertarian), which I have never tried to hide.

I think he/she did a fabulous job of analysing the issue. Obama
talks to everyone when the need is there. With him it is not about you
are either with us or F... you, Of course he tried to be a bit more
polite and respectfully called all others to be with the terrorists.

You just sided with an IRI apologist in his praise for Obama. Good for you. You'll have to live with whatever impact on your rep on this website that has. It's nothing to do with me.

That is how you run the affairs of the world and that is how you
preserve your position of excellence and leadership in the world.

Is that your assessment as somebody who likes to make random and dishonest personal attacks on strangers? :p


Why would have a problem with that?

:o


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by KouroshS on

 

So basically, the Europeans decided to reward Obama for adopting a political stance that they approve of. Is that an appropriate criteria for selection for this type of award? Maybe they should change the name of it to "Euro-Weenie of the Year Prize", no? Because from what I've seen on the internet today the western europeans are about the only ones who aren't a bit taken aback by Obama's win. Even Obama seems taken aback by it.


The Europeans have been making the decision to give the noble prize to the scientist and writers and philosophers all over the world for centuries now. Are you just now waking up to that fact? Have you ever seen anyone receiving any kind of award and not being taken aback by it? That is a sign of Humbleness and modesty.

And whoever said that obama's political stance is only approved by the europeans? The problem is that you see darkness and misery where others see light and prosperity. I listen to someone who shares your opinion on this everyday on the radio, and get a headache as a result, and still don't get the demeaning and bashing mentality.

In your other comment you state that you don't have a problem with obama getting the prize....Butyour beef is with those who have awarded it to someone with no major accomplishement??? Is this not the same as saying you hate the fact that obama got it? In this case isn't obama the person with the lack of acheivements,In your opinion hence your disapproval for him being awarded?

Your message to ostaad is typical of those who blindly and narrow-mindedly bash obama day in and day out. You must have received the top honors from the EIB (excellence in broadcasting) network or the limbaugh U. Or that other guy, Boortz, the priest of the church of naked truth's institution.

I think he/she did a fabulous job of analysing the issue. Obama talks to everyone when the need is there. With him it is not about you are either with us or F... you, Of course he tried to be a bit more polite and respectfully called all others to be with the terrorists.

 That is how you run the affairs of the world and that is how you preserve your position of excellence and leadership in the world.

Why would have a problem with that?


paradochshund

It might seem unusual

by paradochshund on

except if you think about it for a second. That the election of Obama was very magical and ground breaking in history of the world.

very magical.