WOMEN

To those who call a girl that wear a skirt a slut...

Those who call the most hurtful names to a woman or man who they deem as 'immoral' are the scum of the earth and hypocritical as opposed to having a greater understanding and an open mind. However, it must be said can you in all honesty say that you are not aroused by women in skirts? Now, I'm not talking about fetishes, I mean some 'stray thoughts' if you will. The fact of the matter is, that we as humans have animalistic traits and we need to look at ourselves thoroughly and ask ourselves what is right and what is wrong? What is acceptable and what is not?

PEACE.

Anonymoussmm

Before you tell me who you think I am, tell me who you are!
You did not answer my question!!!
Are you for extreme bihejabi for your family or just for others?
How far would you go to be called open-minded?
These are simple questions.

Daryush: You have as much

Daryush: You have as much credibility on 'all issues Iranian and Islamic republic' as Talibans have on women's rights. You're a supporter of regime that stones human beings in this day and age and kills in the name of Allah.

You're an unethical and unprincipled bigot who promotes nothing but hate, violence, and extermination of those you don't agree with. Your canned talking points and their ad nauseum repetitions are so boring by now that I don't think anyone but Islamists propagandists take seriously.

Mitra

I am getting used to your lies. If in fact your relatives did fought in the war, they should appreciate the fact that Islamists saved them from Iraqis and not getting a breeze (which is a lie) is nothing compare to what they got from Iraqis. She is lying to you as many who leave Iran and lie to foreign countries to get asylum.
I remember very well when I heard in the news that Iraqis have attacked and are coming in. I also joined in and fought, not for Islam, but for my country and I was never criticized or disliked for not praying and I can not forget their bravery. It was nothing like what Americans are doing and calling it sacrifice. I have been to both khoozestan and Kurdistan.
I very well remember the day I was guarding late at knight when a white shadow appeared on the ground between us and the Iraqis and when it came closer we saw an Iranian nurse. She was taken hostage by Iraqis and was ganged raped and managed to escape and crawled for one mile on her hands an knees to get to our side. There was no flesh left on her knee and her hands were all cut. Or the high school girls who were killed and 40 of them were taken to Iraq among many others.
Then you sit here and speak of your cousin's hair not getting a breeze. I told you perhaps there is no breeze where she lives. I remember when the wind blew in khuzestan it was so hot we had to cover our faces not to get burned. The sun and breeze was so hot nobody comes out most of the day.
Is it really a breeze for her hair that you are asking? You say freedom is not by the pounds, it should be by the tons. Tell your cousin, be careful what you are wishing for, because it might come true and Americans come in and free her from the prison she is in! May be the Islamists this time stop defending her and let these open-minded runaways to defend her, using their remote control.
I am guessing you are too young. please get your parents consent before you reply to me!
Regards
Your Brother Dariush

Your brain is koochooloo,

Your brain is koochooloo, you live in a koochooloo world too.

You can make derogatory comments till you turn into a koochoolooer person than you already are!You can call me and my kind as you said it ,liars but it does not change the bitter truth of your close minded views.
Realy hard working Iranian women do not have the oppurtunity to go to the moon for some fresh air. They have to study hard, work hard to survive. Your unkind words towards my cousin, made me realise how small you must be. She lost her father in Iran-Iraq war. I have lost two uncles and bunch of distanse cousins. My older brother also served in the army during bloodiet time of war . The sacrifices my family made for our country are real. We are real persians. They fought for our homeland and not for IRI. Not for the satanic regime. I remember my aunt who was a in her early 30s was a principal of High School , did not leave Ahvaz because her school was turned into a hospital! We are real people.
Some places in Iran are under more restriction than other bigger cities.
Not everyone is willing to abandon their hometown for the moon! We are real persians who are holding on to Khuzestan so no one else would want to claim it. Because we are the realy persians. There are still people who have not been brian washed by the satanic regime. When the women tells me she feels like a prisoner in Iran I believe her. I do not question her, she has suffered enough. They have wealth but not freedom. She does not think of the west, She thinking how to make her homeland better place to live. She is serving her people when everyone else is running to Khush Ab va hava places. The regime makes it impossible for women to function is smaller provinces. You can not call me a liar, because I know to much!

You do belong to the 3rd group that have little capacity to understand.
We are persian woman and want freedom to choose
No more toosary, No more mullahs
it is time for freedom

sid sadr/The Observer and others

I missed your comment to me.
Don't play politic and quit lying. If you had told that woman in your pictures the truth, that you are going to use her image against chador and her beliefs, and call her in the dark. she would never allowed you to take her picture. It doesn't matter if she is your mother or not. She trusted you in her house like her son and you abused her trust. Just like many on this site who can not be trusted with bihejabi as their intentions are other things. Go fool others!
I told you! you see the hay stack, I see the needle in hay stack!

The Observer,
Is this the best you can do? A B C and bay-watch? with all this open mindedness, Is this all you can do just watch? You are draining yourself by watching bay-watch not my millions!Perhaps I should teach you some lines, but if you used them and got slapped, don't blame it on my lines! It must be your look.

What happened to the answers to my questions? I see you are all avoiding them. This shows you are all lying. None of you agrees with extreme bihejabi for your self, but you are afraid to admit it, because you might be called narrow minded by bunch of narrow minded.

You call chador from 200 years ago back-warded, but covering with lief like Adam and Eve or stone age humans advanced and progress.

You say c can live under A and B , but A and B can not under c.

Go look! In Iran all the fahsha and drugs and much more are in group A and B and is being distributed by group A and B with all these restrictions on them from group c. Imagine if A and B had the power to control!!!

First you need to clarify what are your standards of bihejabi. If it is no chador, no roosari that is reasonable, but if it is sluttish, you will never get that. Even men in Iran don't have that. But they are not whining, except a few homos from group A and B.

For a second I thought I was wrong!

This is the person from “The Solution” blog.

We did not hear from you for a while and I thought that you had actually gone to your corner and were contemplating your logic. But it is nice to know that you are still a type “C” and my assessment of people like you is correct. Welcome back, we missed you.

All we need to do now is to derail your million dollar deal so you don’t gain social and economic power.

Oops, got to go, bay watch just came on.

Mitra

The first time you lied that teachers must wear chadors to have a job. I do have cousin and aunt who never wear chador and are teaching.
Now you say your cousin's hair doesn't see fresh air for days at the time. This one was very classic. Perhaps where she lives there is no fresh air, sun or moon.
Then you say, some people dress worse over there than here. Then, what are you arguing about? your cousin's dream has come true. Tell her to move to that part of the country, so she can see fresh air and more.
koochooloo, if you want to lie at least say a lie that is not so obvious like the rest of the gang.
You are forcing me to talk to you like the rest!
I think Iran should give 100% equal rights to girls like your cousin. The same right as for men including serving in the army and going to fight for $10 per month. It is too kind of them not to do that and protect your cousin.
Is I said before, if you are sick you go see a doctor, I can not help you!

amused girly man

Sorry I couldn't answer you sooner. I had too take care of some business.
You said you got the point. But I am afraid you haven't. You made the same mistakes as you friends did. I do have a job. I buy and sell real estates. I make in one month more than what you and your friends make in one year combined. If you are willing to bet, I am willing to send you a copy of a contract I am closing and I make $735,000 profit.

As I said, don't you worry about me girly man!!!

You say, Dariush+chadori=Good and the rest of the world bad. Well, if rest of the world is in your favor, you got the rest of the world for yourself. Isn't that enough for you? Do as you wish in there and let Iranian live as they wish. If some want to run around naked in Iran, they can leave and you can sponsor them if you really feel for them.

Your friend made the same mistake. They say I should close my eyes if by looking at these sluts nasty feeling runs down in my body. The fact is no nasty feelings runs in me, something called puke comes out of my stomach. Perhaps nasty feeling runs down their body, that is why they think it must be the same with me and changing your gender for the sake of argument doesn't help you, as you are all open minded and it can still excite you.

You did not answer my questions girly man!!!
How far do you go to be called open minded?
Are you OK with the bikini girls in the link for your family as you do for other Iranians?

If you all want to argue me, don't avoid these questions! I want answers!

one of you said, she lived all her life in here and her family is proud of her. She doesn't realize her good behavior is as a result of her family values which is from the good they have learned from some kind of religion or belief and it didn't just came from nowhere
She said women in Iran can not teach if they don't wear veil. I have a cousin and aunt who teach and they never wear chador.
I also know a young Iranian here who is on drugs and breaks in to his mother's house and pulls knife to her mother to get money, another one has had tens of boy friends. Another 17 years old who was caught by his father in his shop while sleeping with his shop keeper, and after the father slap her to send her home she called the police and put the father in jail or the 19 years old guy who went home with a forty years old man an introduced him to his family as his boyfriend/lover and he was kicked out of the house and a couple who are topless dancers and many more. Then you ask me if I am bitter? Should I be careless and happy like you?
One thing all these people had in common was, not having any strong beliefs and values.

You say, I am uneducated. For the sake of argument, OK I was dropped out of school in second grade. Now, If you can not match me in this argument then what does that make you? It seems that I am educating you!
If all of you can not convince me of your false claims, then how can you do to millions in Iran? If you idea and intention of equal rights is running around in bikini or naked in Iran, no wonder you are not getting nowhere. You are fighting for a lost cause!

I know what your problems are. You can not see unlike you some people still keep their values. Right?

You are correct in one thing, I have spent a lot of time on this site and has cost me many thousands, but I guess that is the price I must pay to educate you.

Some corrections from an

Some corrections from an European:

- Try walking bare breasted in France, as some people here claimed women can do. You will be in trouble with the police. People do that only in beaches. Woman, nor man can be without shirt on the streets. In Britain and Skandinavian countries man can be without shirt, but not woman. (I think than men shouldn't. It's not hygienic)

- You know, you don't really have to wear a miniskirt in the West. Here we have plenty of fashion to choose from. Also, you don't have to look at the sexist adds, watch porn, be prostitute---there is such a thing as free will for humans

- You seem to lump all West together in sort of USA=West thing. That is not true. Some Western countries are more conservative than others. We have big cultural differences.

- Do not believe that what you see on tv about USA or Europe is true. It might be true for some people, but not everyone.

Re: standards are unacceptable

I agree that a referendum on a roosari law in Iran would probably fail. But I do think Iranians, if it were put to a vote, would opt for some standard of dress in public and on television that would be highly conservative by Western standards. Most Iranian Muslims are open-minded people, but they are overwhelmingly conservative. This is obvious to anyone who has been outside of North Tehran or has traveled in the provinces.

My problem is not with people who oppose the roosari law on the grounds that it was not democratically implemented (I share this view). My problem is with those who claim that the roosari, in and of itself, is a vector of oppression and backwardness...or that even democratically chosen roosari law is beyond the pale.

standards are unacceptable

Response to “by Democracy”.
You are right about each society has it's standards. Yes, in America women cannot show their Brest in public. In France they can. In Iran women cannot show their hair. The difference is that women in America are not complaining about American standards. They think it is fair and they are content. They may have even been involved in deciding on these standards. No women in France are complaining about their standards either. But a significant number of women living in Iran are unhappy about Iranian standards. They feel these are standards from centuries ago and they would like it updated.

The solution...

If we summarize the sixty some comments in this forum on hejab, we can put people's thoughts in the following buckets(I am generalizing):

A. women who think they should wear what they want (free to choose hejab).
B. men who think women should be free to choose hejab,
C. men who think women should wear hejab

Women who think they should wear hejab are absent from this conversation. your opinion is welcome.

I think groups A and B need to make sure group C does not gain social economical and political power to impose their thoughts on others. Over the years I have not seen individuals from group C convert nor accept and respect individuals from group A and B It is like trying to put 5 gallons of water in a tank which only holds 3. Society under groups A and B is workable for all three groups, society under the rule of group C, is not functional for others outside of their group.

A Citizen.

NO MORE TOOSARY

Dariush You make me sick. I am outraged at your comments. What truth are you talking about, you are so mixed up that truth is no where near you.
Why is it that, that bihejabi is confused with being naked. Someone told me that Iranian women in USA dress very modestly compare to Iranian women in Iran. She told me, that we look like haj khanooms cpmpare to them in Iran. The more pressure and constriction you put on a group the worst results you gonna get. We are free to choose, I choose to wear conservative clothing even in parties. If I choose to dress differently so be it. It does not make me immoral. I have enough morals , that I can choose how and where and when. Please do not force your out dated ideas on me.
I was talking to one of my cousins few months ago. she is a very intelligent young lady, who is attending University of Jondi Shahpour. She said somethong that has stuck in my mind. She said women are like prisoners in Iran no matter how educated and wealthy. she also told that there are days that her hair has not been expsed to fresh air and sun light. She said that many women feel like Tabeedis in Iran. That is tragic.
Why do I even have to tell you that? that is just tip of the iceburg. Yes women are driving and some have fancy cars too. But That does not impress me a bit. We talking a bout basic right to choose our dress code. In Iran women want to, be free ,to choose, to decide their own destiny. NO MORE TOOSARY.

DAAAAAA

Dariush man nemikham tohin konam ye begam agham monde hasty va az in harfa chon midonam tasiry nakhahad dasht, valy bad nist adam hamishe to fekrash tajdide nazar kone, eyb nist, fekry ke soal nakone ye fekre bimar hast va man fekr mikonam fekre shomaham bimar hast, bayad shoro kony hame chyzo zire soal bordan va say nakony faghat ba manteghe khodet javabeshon bedy, az digaran komak begir, ketabhaye mokhtalef bekhan, in ravesh tasire khoby khahad rot gozasht.

Give a job to our dear manly man Dariush

I just realized you're an unemployed desperate guy...look at all your comments. Almost every hour you've posted something...it means every hour you've checked Iranian.com and the rest of the hour you were on those disgusting sites to increase your disgust from these godless immoral sluts who will be baked or cooked in hell.

Having so much free time means you have no job, no wife, no kid, nothing to do (we had already found out you have no education either). All day you sit in front of a computer and feel sorry for yourself and you feel mad at others who did better than you...mad at those bihejabs with degree and a better pay....

I know having no job for manly men is tough and so embarrassing.

I have so much pity for you man...

Even those chadoris from Iran didn't want you. Gosh...you should be on SSI then...because Iranian chicks with chador love money dude!

No wonder you're so bitter man...

All my sympathy to you. But it's ok keep tight...if you need some job, let me know. I have good connections ....post your resume here, and we'll start from there. you could find some good people willing to buy you a charity ticket to ghom.

Good luck my manly man

truly yours

a girly man

Public Dress Code are not Immoral

Darius is right about Iranian women choices regarding hejab. If the law only requires roosari, the women who wear chador do so out of choice (at least, not out of government coercion).

Here's a an objection which I have never heard a serious answer to from those who oppose hijab laws:

If Americans can ban women from showing their breasts in public (or men from showing their genitals), then why can't Iranians choose to ban women from showing their hair in public? Every society has different standards of public decency. From the French (or Zambian) point of view, the American ban on female breast exposure seems as oppressive as the Iranian hijab law seems to many Americans.

The reason I oppose the current laws in Iran is not because I believe that there is any problem, in principle, with passing a law restricting public dress. I oppose the law because of the Guardian Council's vetting of parliamentary candidates in our elections, meaning there is no way of knowing if the hijab law actually has widespread public support.

That said, if there were a free and fair referendum on public dress code in Iran that included roosari, I would vote for it (and I suspect millions of conservative Iranians would too).

Its important to remember

Its important to remember that the IRI has survived all this time on 3 issues: 1- Blind anti Americanism 2- Brutal opression of Iranians 3- Enforcement of Hijab.

Mitra

It is not me that makes you sick. It is the bitter truth. You all like to fight somebody and I am giving you the chance and being your punching bag to see what you all think. If you really read my writing you see that I am not against bihejabi, I am against as you called it fahsha. The extreme bihejabi will only increase that to much more than what it is today. Nevertheless the existence of that today is mostly within the same population who are against hejab in Iran. When I say hejab I mean real hejab. Body and soul. If someone is in the wrong path and wears hejab that doesn't make her bahejab. The extreme bihejabi is behind many crimes in U.S. It is idealistic to say people close their eyes, but not realistic because they fall and hurt themselves.(this was a joke). You can not have the same degree of extreme you have here in Iran. Due to culture, religion and law and some lack of law. You said freedom is by pound, well tell this to US government for not allowing gay marriages, for not allowing people go out naked, for not allowing a man have two wives or a woman not to have two husbands, or for many other things. See you have been programed to accept what they tell you to be right, therefore you compare that to Iran and say they are wrong.
I am so glad that you are making your family proud that sounds like a good sign. I know some families who are not so proud of their kids in west.

amused girli man

Don't you worry amused girly mam. I am having fun. It is good to know that you are enjoying it too.
At least you have some humor in your writing.
Tell me, how far are you willing to go to be called open minded? Where do you draw the line? Are you OK with the extreme that you saw in the video for Iranians? Don't disrespect or I have to return the favor.

STOP YOUR NONE SENSE to

STOP YOUR NONESENSE
to Darius, first of all it is none of your business to say what women want. Are you a women? Is having a right to choose Kiloee? That you say how much bihejabi! Get real man. Women in Iran should have a right to choose. What is it to you. If you do not like it do not look. The Chadori or roosary dar are all the same. None have a right to choose. Don't you get it? Teachers in Iran have to wear chador it is mandatory, otherwise there will be no job the next day! No my friend you are dead wrong. I do not even want to say anything else. You make me sick. We are Persain and we are proud of our heritage. I have lived here most of my life bihejab and proud. I make my family and my motherland proud everyday. You on the other hand are clueless to the issues that are facing Iraninan women today. Iran is full of Fahsha and we have to thank IRI for that. Shame Shame.

Irandokht

You say you have relatives that are bihejan and they are fine. The three ladies in the video also seem fine to their families. I also have relatives who are bihejan and are fine to me. But there are big differences in the degree of being bihejab.
I think sid sarshar should go and apologize to those people who's pictures he is using for this purpose without their permission. Thanks for your hand, but I have a girlfriend.
Respect will bring respect, disrespect will bring disrespect. when you all make anti Iranian comments like this article and act smart this is what you get.

Go get a nap Dariush

You have been typing since yesterday my dear! you're making too many English mistakes...you're missing the letters and the ideas. Your brain's evaporating. Your face is too red. your hands are shaking. The screen of your computer is blurry. your speech is getting boring. you need to take a cold shower. Your body stinks man! You are just too mad ...and too tired!
You need a nap! A long quiet nap....
Sleep Dariush...sleep!
You could have a heart attack. Relax! Ok..we got it:
Chadori+Dariush=good
The entire world - (chadori +Dariush)= bad

We have been amused enough......enough laughing!....because I'm afraid if you continue, you'll turn into another Haji agha :-)

You say if women in Iran had

You say if women in Iran had the choice they would choose to be bihijab.
Those millions who are wearing chador have a choice to wear roosari, but they prefer to ware chador. If they don't want to change it to roosari what makes you think they will change it to bihejab?
So your claim is false.
The question is not that some want to be bihejab. The question is howmuch bihejab? Where do you draw the line? Or is there any line? If you leave it to some of these brainwashed Anti Iranians in west, there is no line.

Dariush, your comments are

Dariush, your comments are outrageous. I am puzzled with your lack of logic. Have some respect for yourself at least since you have none for others.Please go back and think how bad your comments were. Maybe you can learn from you mistakes.
Come our of the DARK.

Dariush

I have a friendly advice for you: Stop digging yourself in any deeper!

every time you post a comment you reveal more of your nasty self and it's getting out of hand.

You do have to apologize to Sid Sarshar. You have no right to start bringing up people's mothers pretending to be a pro-woman, unless this is your brand of respect, which by the way would only suit you and yours.

But don't worry I won't be asking you to apologize to me, my mother, my aunts, my grandmothers, my friends and so many other fine Iranian ladies who are not under chador and you have tried to smear dirt on so shamelessly for the past couple of days.

We don't think very highly of your "kind" to care what you think.

You can fill your own little brain with all the nasty thoughts you want. People like you do not deserve all the time that we have spent bickering with you.

I initially felt bad for you and wanted to lend a hand and help you out of your miserable state of denial and ignorance.

Won't happen again

IRANdokht

If Iranian women had a right

If Iranian women had a right to choose hijab ro bihejab. 90% would choose NOOOO hejab. Women have no say in this. Do You think women like to wear hijab and climb a mountain or play football? My god people come on. If you guys think women in Iran are happy to be wraped up , I have to call you clueless.
The more restriction you put on women in Iran the more ways they act up. Do you guys realy think hejab bring nejabat. Wrong! Look at Iran today . Should I say more! 100 rahmat be bihejabi.
I am amased and ashamed by some of the comments made by some Iranian men.
Yes Iranian women are educated, but they do not have basic rights. They have to deal with bunch of neanderthal men.

Irandokht

I am sure Iranians in Iran do not want some of what you saw in the link I attached for their children. If you approve of it for your relatives then you are not for women's equal rights. You are for prostitution rights. You have that here so enjoy it and leave Iranian children alone!
At least, you and your kind like the three stooges in the video don't introduce yourself as Iranian because you bring shame to us. just say who you really are, an American.
You type has no beliefs therefore no values, no dignity, no class. You adopt to your surroundings like a lizard. You are all lost, at the very best a confused philosopher. Your God is money and your prophets movie stars.
I fight for women's equal rights as long as they are right which they are on many issues, but don't use a holy title to fool people in to an unholy goal.
You can make any excuses you want for yourself and tear yourself a part. My advise was for those who like hear a brotherly advice.
Try and use your little brain. If I had a dirty mind like you, I would be promoting your life style not the opposite! .
I don't change a finger tip of those real chadori ladies in Iran with thousands of your kind in America!!!
God bless chadori !!!

Leave my mother out of it!

The lady in the picture is not my mother. She knew she was photographed and was told that they maybe published. She was please to hear that. She seemed to enjoy a little fame (Her son is a known actor in Iran).

Selling art to Iranians is like selling ice to the Eskimo’s. No one has paid me anything.

We are all Iranians on this forum; we do not talk about each others mothers. I would like for you to apologize for making the statement "I make a buck taking pictures of my mother", this is a loaded and irresponsible statement.

With respect and tolerance,
Sid Sarshar

one more point

Dariush you keep saying that men are going back to Iran to marry someone mohajjabeh instead of the slutty women who live in the west.

I have news for you!

the #1 reason men go to Iran to get married is not the Hejab. It's the well-known side effect of the IRI oppression that is pushing young women in Iran to find any way they can out of the borders, even if it means marrying someone 20+ yrs their senior. These guys are usually of a very low caliber who count on this hopeless state of the Iranian girls as the only way they can possibly find a mate.

So don't bring them in as the living witnesses of your side of the argument. Nobody cares who those guys marry, if we did, they wouldn't be so desperate to use their foreign passports to find a mate.

IRANdokht