WOMEN

Dariush

I decided to respond to your nonsense because you are in complete denial and I find it absolutely cruel not to try to help you.

Nobody has told anyone to dress in any way except for you who keep labeling the ones  who dress in a way that you do not approve of!  people do not need you to guide them on how to dress how to behave and what standards to have. You try to solve your own problems and leave others alone!

You are saying that people who dress like sluts would attract attention when standing on a street corner.

Watch this clip and tell me if that lady who's wearing the IRI uniform is being harrassed because of her slutty dress style or because those men like you cannot be looking at a woman without letting out the pig inside.

it's very clear that fairness is a woman and you are the dirty minded individual. No matter what you call her and how you try to justify your own dirty imagination that made you stick your foot in your mouth when responding to her.   

And while I have your attention maybe you should watch this clip and learn that even in the country of the creators of this hidious islamic hijab, women are speaking up and asking for equal rights. You need to grow up, I mean not just age-wise, but mentally and emotionally. You need to be able to control your body's urges and not to blame them on women. Watch that video about harrassment once again, I am sure you'd be one of those who stops and tries to convince that woman to get in the car. You need to HELP yourself, don't be too worried about what others wear and whether or not they apply make up.  You have bigger problems to deal with.   

arrongance and ignorance combined is actually a very pathetic state.

IRANdokht

FYI: "Iranian" Singles

I loved the Original "Iranian Singles" add that featured actual Iranians, real people with all the foibles that go along with reality. The new add featuring a scantily clad young lady is contrived and insulting. Partly because it shows up on Arab and Indian sites with the "Iranian Singles" replaced with the ethnicity of the moment. A poor girl turned into a multi-ethnic poster child of unreasonable expectations and skin deep materialism.
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Good for SepidMD over on the side there who has herself pictured playing a piano; says she's looking for someone creative and artistic. How about we raise our children to value themselves for their own accomplishments in instead of the accomplishments of the plastic surgeons? Just a thought.

Fairness/this is funny/cynyk

You don't even have a name. first you are "fairness" then "this is too funny" and later put it pimp. Your comments indicated that you are a girly man. I still think you are a girly man who is willing to sell his sister and mother to be accepted as an open minded person.

In previous respond about this article, I said they dress like sluts. You people are the ones who start calling them sluts.

I gave them brotherly information so they know why?
If women don't like Veil or scarf they don't have to wear it. They can just dress nice like a lady, which will benefit them.

you advise them to dress like sluts. Which one is better for them? If you think that is not sluttish, tell the to stand on a street corner and see how many cars will respond!

It is people like you and sid sarshar who takes the privacy of his mother's praying and betrays her trust and puts it on line and calls it names and sells her to make a buck without her permission.

If you see the hay stack, I see the needle in the hay stack.

You men who claim to be open minded why are you only interested in friendship? Why do you travel 5000 miles to get one from Iran with scarf? Just get the three stooges in the link I attached. They will make you super open minded. Just don't be disappointed when they call you john or mike at 2 A.M.

avvalan, mamnun az in ke ye

avvalan, mamnun az in ke ye joorAyi sa'i kardin mohtaramAne khodetAn rA bayAn konin. vAllA, in khodesh kheyliye.
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nazari ke shomA be eslAm andAkhtin hamAn nazare akhundiye. ya'ni shomA bardAshte Akhundi rA be onvAn tanhA bardAshte maqboole eslAmi qarAr dAdin. hich kas, na shoma va na akhund-hA haq dArid yek bardAshti rA az eslam (ya har Ayine digar) ra begirid va digarAn rA takfir konid. shomA agar bA ravand-hAye no-andish dar miAne mosalmAnAn (mAnande AsAre Abdolkarim Soroush va Mohsen Kadivar) AshnA budin, chenin eshtebAh rA nemikardin.
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barAye man, qor'An yek ketAbist, peyghambar ham yek Adam mesli har Adame digar. in ketab va in Adam nakhshi dar sAkhtAre jahAnbiniy va hoviyyate man bAzi mikonand, amma na nakhshe motlaq. hAfez, sa'di, molla sadra, abu ali sina va digar motefakerin ham jAye khod rA dar sAkhtAr in hoviyyat dArand.
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koshtar va zur goftan zeshte va man chenin a'mAl rA sad-dar sad rad mikonam. amma be che haqqi migim AnhAyi ke nAmAz-khAndan, sadaqe dAdan, rooze gereftan va qeyre aqab-mAnde-and? vAqe'an ke in joz arab-setizi nAmi nadArad. midAnam ke a'rAb sadre eslAm kAr-hAye zeshti dar keshvaremAn anjAm dAdand, amma eslam tanhA sAkhtAr in afrAd nist, balke man be onvAne yek mosalmAne irani (va yek ensAne mostaqel) bardAshte motefAveti dAram.
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hayA zesht nist, sadaqe dAdan zesht nist, pAye qabre rafiqAnam fAtehe khAndan zesht nist. bA mAdarbozorgam be haram raftan zesht nist. bale sangsAr zeshte, ahrimaniye, man ham rad mikonam (bistharie iraniAne mosalmAn ham rad mikonand). amma man hich vaqt zibAyi rA hamrAhe zeshti tu hachal nemi-andAzam. shomA ham chenin kAr rA nakonid.
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Iranian Muslim

agha har cheghadr maleh keshy kony, Islam aghab mondast, ye zamany vase ye mosht aghab monde, dar zamany ke na elmy bode na chyzy omade vase yek ghabileye beyabany, hala shoma bahash faza ham ke bery aghab mondast, agha dige elm pishraft karde va mardom dige in charandeyat to kalashon kam mire, alan dige to in dore yeky beyad bege man peyghambaram, behesh mikhandan ya migan divonast, to Ghoran neveshte, hichkas nemitone bedone to shikame zane hamele bache pesar hast ya dokhtar, ya kesy nemidone key baron meyad, alan ke dige elm pishraft karde moshakhas shode dastan cheye, va in noktaram begam ke regime akhondy is Islam onam taze nabe Mohamadish nist, akhond che kary ro mikone ke sardarane Islam nakardan ?? ya Islam gofte nakonid ?? agha jan mosabeghe taghados ba akhond mizary mibazy aziz jon, va onaee ke shoma darid migid Moslem nistan, Mosalmon kesy hast ke done done sirate peyghambar va Ghorano amal kone va ghabol dashte bashe, yany ameye shoma dar soraty Moslem hast ke bavar dashte bashe nesfe yek mard hast az nazare fekry, az nazare social ham hamonitor, bayad nesfe mard ers bebare, ya inke agar shoharesh raft chaharta zane digam greft kham be abro nayare, inaro ke ghabol nakone Moslem nist ke, va vaghean tajob mikonam az in Iraniha, agha 1400 sale avizon shodid be ghabre ye mohst arabe dozd ke to tarikh be joz koshtan va gharat hichkare dige nakardan, baba vel konid dige, akhe nekbato badbakhteyo aghab mondegy ta key ?? agha 1400 sal Islam to in keshvaraye Islamy yedone keshvare khoshbakht vojod nadare, hame az dam badbakhto misery, agha base dige vaghean bayad bekhodemon beyaym in basato jam konim, akhe aghab mondegeyam hady dare baba, negah konid bebinid ma Iraniha vase bashareyat chy ovordim ?? sangsar, yani darim heyvan sefaty ro be donya neshon midim, zanamono mizarim to khak doresh jam mishim ba sang enghadr mizanim to saresh ta bemire, taze harcheghadram sang gonde tar bashe bihstar to behesht behemon Hory midan, vaghean in baese nange, badam meyaym hey zerto zort be mardome Amrica migim agham monde, ahmagha nemitonan re reese jomhore khob entekhab konan, bale maha, mahaee ke aghab monde tarin va heyvon tarin ghavanin dar keshvare azize khodemon haroz dare ejra mishe, baba vel konid in dastano dige cheghadr bayad baramon badbakhty beyare ta adam shim ?? akhe aghab mondegeyam dady dare agha, tamame donya alan dar in sadade ke che jor ba in masale moghabele kone, ma hanoz in ghbare Hosseino greftim velam nemikonim, vaghean ajib mardomany hastim ma...

blinded by organized religion

Wow dariush, you make me want to punch babies, your logic is that flawed and frustrating to anyone not still blinded by organized religion. holy hell, man. what part of NOW don't you understand? N? the o? the w? not fourteenth century arabia where a man had his hands cut off for stealing, 21st century u.s./ iran where a man can go to the moon without consulting the local molah to see if tonight is a good night to sleep with his wife, or which foot should into the spaceship bathroom first. For our analogically challenged, that was a reference to the fanaticism of some extremists whose logic isn't too different to dariush's... just sayin'

Hejab is a Good Choice

A slut is a prostitute, someone who peddles sexual services for money. No one has any right to label another a prostitute unless they identify themselves as such. To decry immodesty is another matter. In their rage against every last vestige of Islamic identity, many diaspora Iranians have placed modesty herself on the firing line.
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Compulsion is ugly, but the chador and roosari are not. If you think it's a kafan, then don't wear one. But chadors are not all black, and many chadori women would be offended to hear you refer to their clothing like that. Remember, the roosari may be mandated in public in Iran, but the chador is not.
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Don't make assumptions about Iranian women. My chadori aunt works in a mechanical engineering lab in Tehran, her sons and daughters swim, play volleyball and build robots in their basement.
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The chador/roosari are a part of my traditional culture. No one should be forced to wear one through an undemocratic process, but no one as any right to assume that its advocates are all sexually repressive patriarchal males, or brainwashed females. Assuming that anyone who chooses to don the hijab is brainwashed is deeply ugly. Refusing to say "salam" to your fellow Iranian because of her roosari is ugly, too.
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It may seem impossible for many on this site, but Iran is full of deeply traditional yet open minded Muslim families who believe in Human Rights, the rule of law, and educating their children.

Dariush

I can't stop laughing dude

I am not willing to "sacrify" anyone, I won't even sacrifice anyone's dignity nevermind Iranian women. I am not sure what "over knight" is, but I know progress does not happen overnight, especially with people like you around.

You're calling me an old dude and accusing me of sacrificing women??? Dude! I am an Iranian woman! I am trying to keep a straight face while picturing you pecking away at your keyboard all gheyrati about the video you posted. Do you see now that the ugliness was in your own mind? Do you realize that I did not get excited over those girls pictures and it was all in YOUR HEAD? and your dirty mind created all that ugliness that you accused me of?

This one was too easy... joojeh ziad saro seda nakon boro bozorgtareto biyar!

Fairness

Fairness'
I am in more control than you can ever be!!!
I see you! You tell me look down, but you keep clicking on the link I attached and watch it again and again. Are you getting exited old man?
Stop pretending and acting to be open minded. If you are not pretending then you are brainwashed by your society into believing that such lifestyle is a sign of open mindedness, democracy and freedom.
We shouldn't be worried about me and my kind who are for respect and progress for women.
We should be worried about you and your kind who are willing to scarify Iranian women to get back at government. promoting women to be a commercial object, a public domain, to be used and taken advantage of.
If you like what you saw in the link for your family then more power to you. Just don't push it to Iranians in Iran. I bet you like that for others not your family!!!
I don't agree with government harassing women for their dress in Iran since they are not nude and I think women should not be punished for men's wrong behaviors. Men should be punished.
With that said, western extreme lifestyle didn't get here over knight. It started with a short and shorter skirt.
This is not our culture. If it is yours, then you are not an Iranian.

Sluts ...

are men who don't cover their moustache and beard. I mean, who wants to see men naked like that walking on the street. Right? Right! :-)

R.D.

Look at just one day in TV

I have not particular for or against hejab but I really dislike those supposedly “Modern” Iranian that can only regurgitate what FOX and rest of Western media spew. Are you telling me that thee less rape, wife beating, murder of women, and as you said less dirty minds in your haven of US or West. Look at just one day in TV , Print media, Radio and your billboards, tell me how they think of women and how they portray them, just piece of meat. The only think that I can say that woman have to have choice but dressing like a whore waiting for a john is not an ideal woman in any culture. Anyway, woman with hijab can do anything and achieve anything. look at Iranian woman who ascend the Everest, winning the Wu shu or top the list International Women's Invention and yes they didn’t have to wear mini skirt and drink late in starbucks to get there.
//www.payvand.com/news/08/may/1175.html
//www.payvand.com/news/08/may/1135.html
//www.csmonitor.com/2005/0601/p07s01-wosc.htm...

Don't

Don't criticize and call others in the dark if you can not take citicizim. Don't ask for the truth, if you can not handle the truth.
Sorry guys, I didn't mean to put you out of business.
Let me teach you a line.
Next time you meet a slut. Tell her hay baby I have a weight loss secret. I can make you loose five pounds in five minutes. When she ask you how. Tell her, I start with taking your shoes off.

Am I open minded now?

I compared

I watched that beautiful youtube link about the most beautiful women and I compared your take on the video with almost anyone else who'd watch it.

Guess what!
Those women ba hejab or even the least covered ones in the video are portrayed to show how beautiful these ladies are. It's a positive video.
You are the one who turned it negative. You are the one who compares these women and picks and chooses which ones are to be called whores.

You, just like all those who worked for Zarei and the others before him, give yourself the right to judge these girls.
I have news for you, the ones with tight manteau, tight jeans and boots are also being arrested and called names by your likes.

The hejab you're talking about should cover your eyes so they wouldn't look at these women the way you do! you are the one who the society needs to be protected from. You and the likes of you with your dirty minds.

Leave women alone! when you see a woman who is not wearing a chador and you feel the nasty thoughts surging through your miserable body, stop yourself, look down and be ashamed of who YOU are. Not them! You are the one who's not handling yourself well.

Dariush, even whores have rights!

If you think all the women arrested in Iran are sluts, and if you think that all the women who become whores have chosen it by pleasure and if you think by doing so they should lose all their rights as a human being, I am sorry to tell you that it only shows the limits of your intellect. It only shows who you are, and unfortunately, this image of yours is not very pretty. Besides, if you read the responses of other Iranian men here, you will notice that you're also very lonely in your obsolete opinion. 

And please stop posting multiple responses to my comment! It makes you look like a total neurotic:-)

Thanks, Azarin

Compare

You can call me Ghand Ali, Ghorboon Ali if you don't like my name, but that doesn't change the truth!!!
Compare and judge for yourself again!!!

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMhwA5_v1ic&feature...

Dariush

on behalf of all open-minded human beings, I decline to "judge" and leave that kind of judgmental, arrogant and narrow-minded behavior to you. You're judging everyone and labeling women with all sorts of nastiness.

One side note: Please change your ID on this site, heif az esmeh ghashangeh Dariush... Call yourself rooh-ollah or nolareh-emam or gholam-something. That would suit you much better

To be fair,Hejab in it,s original form goes back to Sassanid era

I read in farsi translated Karnamak-Artashir..."karnameh ardeshir" which is a Pahlavi written principles for nobility Aryan Sassanid families that The Irani women of nobility eventhough involved in all kinds of activities in "Divan" and society wore a form of hejab called in old pahlavi  "Pardat drih" meaning "Pardeh Dari" in which they would cover most of their body and parts of their hair (kinda like roosari) when in Public...The point was to guard persian women from the prying eyes of natives& tourists who visited the capital or town for work or pleasure.It had a more racial tone to it. But how ever the current mullah version is an idiotic "Chador only" forced dress code which is an afront to liberated intelligent women.

I agree with Mojgan, Most

I agree with Mojgan, Most Iraninas identify themselves as first persian and Moslem very last.
Although I respcet Islam but it those not my Identity!
I am persian and we have our own religion that identifies us as persian. Those nice innocent days of White Chador is gone. Black shame has taken its place.
Chador is not part of our culture. Look at all the differnt tribal clothing. Which one has ever had Chador? Their clothig has enough coverage that it never needed any type of veil. Take a look at Bakhtiary,Lurestani, Kurdestani, Azari , Gillani none have ever had any type of chador ever. These Groups make a vast majority of Iran population. I am sure that there are few more missing in that group. Chador has never been part of our culture till Islam was kind of forced in to Persia. Even then Tribal women never had to wear hijab like other women in bigger towns.
We should burn all the Black Chadors or any restrictive hijab. We have enough hijab no need to force it on us. we have enough hijab even if we are half naked Swimming.

To those who call a girl that wear a skirt a slut...

First of all every has the right to wear what they want. Who are you to decide or judge people. This is not Iran and you are not sepah. Second of all if you believe just because a girl wears make up and doesn’t cover up with roosari or chador, or perhaps wearing tights or even a skirt is slut, then you are very narrow minded my friend. We are not living in stone ages. You won't believe how many Saudis who wear burga work as prostitutes in Saudi Arabia. Just because someone covers or wears light doesn't represents her character. Stop being narrow minded and grow up.

judge for yourself

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHzh6VEVODQ&feature...

Azarin Sadegh

The video you posted doesn't say why the lady was being arrested. She could have been a ....... who knows.
This is another video from Iranian women in Iran.

//youtube.com/watch?v=3GOHA1I_NIM

I remember these.......

I`m sure all women across the planet want long lasting relationship wether with or without. ME TOO. IT IS a phisiological fact. it has been scientifically prooved that in the days where conception is most possibel the sexual desire of women is most intensive. I think the sexuality of man in the western countries and "cultures" is only commercialized. there exists no "free sex". the propagations about seemingly given free society and free sexuality provocates a lot of disasters and frustrations. Specially by the youth, young boys and girls. The westerns are emotion- and feelingless compared with beings who are ecucated to avoid a public sexual pleasure ( porn imaging and texts) and have learned to hide their intimate feelings in the public. I think further: the sexuality of man is her/his most private possesion. the western aggressive capitalism commercializes this possessing and teaches: it were freedom and democracy. But in fact it damages the most personal right of man. the right on her/his sexuality and the possibility managing it by her/himself. so it makes money not only in short but also safeguards the income for long. the western "ideology" forces the beings to give her/his soul away for nothing and to pay even for being sold. young poeple in their puberty do not learn to controll their sexuality and consequently do not learn to controll themselves. They are not interessted to think about serious and meaningfull question of life. they sit in the schools males and females all together and are teached how the sexual act actullay goes on. after the school comes the practice. No one has time to think about daily problems of life. These individualls are easy, easy to be governed. I am sorry, it is a long story. The westerns are sacrificed. what they are offered is not "free sex" but the possibility to be able to dom so as if with all its problematical consequences.

samsam1111

No asking for long term relation is not a sign of saltiness, dressing like one is. It is not what they say that makes a difference, it is what they do.
I am sure if you come across a women with wale or nicely dressed, you will watch what you say, but if come across a nakedly dressed you will not. Is that right? Don't lie!

It is true that a black wale is very hot in summer, That is why there are other options, but what is interesting is that those who wear it don't complain Those who are naked complain of others who are wearing it.

I think the name of this site should be changed to AntiIranian.com since most articles are against Iran and the culture.

whats wrong with hijab

i dont know why we are so against hijab and yet we all chat about democracy...
if someone wants to wear it, it his/her choice and we should respect it
after all i don't find hijab ugly and zan-setiz, it actually looks all right and gives all the rich and poor women a sense of equality which actually lacks in Iran because of the existence of manteaux and roosaries, and the dissonant harmony between those two with chador...

ASK AN EXPERT

Azarin sadegh, I believe you, you don't have to swear!!!
Asking for freedom of Wale is one thing, but making fun and criticizing it is another.
Even Iranian's culture is against the nudity in public, let alone Islam. The idea you have of freedom in shah's era was westernized Iran by force not Iranian culture.
Wale is not just a cover. It is a social, religious and political statement.
In my opinion:
In Social: it will show the person's belief and transforms it to power to gain respect and avoid harassment.
In religion, it puts the person in the right path to a better life for herself and others.
In politics, it tells the enemy you can not force your way of life and beliefs and policies to us.
It can be any color, most wear black because it is more powerful.
I suggest if you do not understand something, ask an expert! You do not go to a clinic if you have a real estate problem.
If you want to learn about Islam watch the lessons by MR. ANSARI on international cable TV Chanel IRINN or IRIB about 6 p.m. Mondays and other days.
By the way, I do have a lot of respect for women who wear wale or if not wale at least dressd nice not nude.
MEX1,
You call it backwardness, based on your logic. If Iran is backward compare to west, then west is backward compare to Africa and south America. Get out and protest so you can go out butt naked. The fact is that you are brainwashed by western society to accepting this life style because you do not have strong Iranian or Islamic beliefs. If you go to Africa very soon will take that culture for the same reason.

backwardness

it's 2008 and if you like to see women including your sister, mother and wife in this kind of outfit, you are simply backward ,ertejaee and zan setiz. there is no other word to explain it.
I wish I could force guys that find these kind of things interesting to wear a black chador, 7/24 in a hundred degree heat and let see how much they like it!

I remember these Daneshjoo Basigii burcieh dudes

in my college  days in montreal who forgot all about abolfazl & ali asghar 2 weeks after they got off the boat & got a hello from these "sluts"..one of them actualy began stalking the daughter of the chemistry dean.I never dated an Irani woman but I,m sure all women across the planet want long lasting relationship wether with hejab or no hejab .Thats what they say in American women profiles too, most say they want family & serious relationship.It,s not an Irani thing..So wanting a relationship is a sign of "sluttiness"?

So I guess they should type"We only want free sex,come and get it"

then I guess they are not called "sluts"

fuzzy logic... 

An Example

When you click on this essay on the right side you see and read meet Iranian singles on line. That is my view of naked girl. She is not a woman. She is a silicon Vally. Dressing nice without scarf should be free in Iran, but dressing like that and short skirt and bikinis in public should not be.
Men who claim not to agree or are lying or do not love their woman enough or are not a man. They are girly men and Soosool/Moosool!
Men have much respect to women who dress nice than dressing like sluts. This is just my opinion and many Iranians I know.
why should you care? You do as you wish get super light and let men take advantage of you!
If your standard of freedom is by uncovering yourselves, then you are not free in west in compare to Africa.

to Dariush

Please take a look at this video: //iranian.com/main/singlepage/2008/woman-resists-arrest

This shows the kind of treatment the iranian women in Iran receive...no wonder you have to beg them:)

About your comment on Iranian women in Diaspora: I have to explain to you something you've missed: These women are basically looking for fine and rare kind of men who are intelligent and consider women as a whole human being with equal rights. Other wise finding men like you (with your type of archaic thinking) is not such a hard thing to do! Just take a look at those same ads :-) Azarin

GENERAL COMMENT TO EDITORS

hey, what happened to haji-agha? did he GHAR KARD? or is he banned from i.com or what? just curious. not that i miss him--not at all!!! but was just curio.