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An amazing people's history in Iran.

Desperation?

You are running out of argument so resort to personal attacks. Marxism has failed as has Islamism the revolution failed . Now you are angry yelling and screaming.

• Persian challenged? Anyone who has read my comments before know I speak; read and write Farsi. However validity of an argument is not based on who makes it. Whether the person knows Farsi is irrelevant.
• VPK is a handle I use and does not imply I think I am a prophet. Just like many others. I am sure Hirre does not think he is Mr. Spock! Again you are desperate and attack the person not his ideas.
• I never said I was a "typical" Iranian. Show me where I said it. I have always insisted people are individuals not herds as Marxists think. I know no typical Iranian. All the ones I know are unique people. 

Face it man RP is getting traction. Old timers don't like it for various reasons. I got a much better reasoned letter about it from an "Omid Jamshidi". He explains why he does not support RP. Here go to www.Omid57.com

PS: I have no obligation to prove to you I write Farsi. I deliberately use English so everyone understands my posts. This is an international site in America with wider audience than Iranians.

Hooooshaaaang!

Put down the Viagra mate, you are speaking way too much pussy poems these days...

Re history of Iranian social justice movements

Dear HTG, Iran and Iranians have also witnessed some of the earliest socialist movements in history of mankind, such as those of Mazdak and Babak Khorramdin against the social injustice in their respective times!

Thank you Mr. Tarreh-Gol

Thank you Mr. Tarreh-Gol for your kind comment, wishes & also your "humble advice" . Will do... and Good night To you too :-)

PS. It's beautiful to for all of us Iranians to get along ... :-)  

Best of luck to you and your project of democratically

unifying all Iranians.

Mr. Tarreh-Gol, I have

Mr. Tarreh-Gol,

I have followed some of your comments from time to time here on IC. You seem to be an educated man, academically...

Sir, I agree with a part of your last comment, utimately "Iran will be freed by Iranians within Iran" as they are the ones who really deserve to be free in that god forsaken country, not Iranians like you and I who have found a refuge to vent out here, killing time on the internet, sipping on a beverage of our choice, satisfying our egos in the "free world"!! 

However, as a concerned, fair and decent human being with conscience , as an Iranian, we all can allow someone from outside to at least be an inspiration for a movement in Iran for all those Iranian people who have reached the end on so many levels! Please remember, A prisoner inside the locked prison cell needs a "Key" (preferably) or at least any kind of tool to dig a hole outside the prison cell to freedom and safety!!! And that Symbolic key, tool or whtever one wants to call at this moment is a personality that has an international exposure which in this case is no one else than Mr. Pahlavi!!! Now whether you like it or not, that is the reality! He is the only internationally known character who happens to do anything positive for iranians inside that horrible big prison cell!!!

Furthermore , I bet you a "Starbucks coffee" that if you ask and allow any young Iranian people inside Iran (who happen to be the majority), they will choose a character like Reza Pahlavi over any other Islamist and/or socialist opposition (individual/organization) any day in a heart beat!!! 

Take it easy Sir & Have a nice evening...  You don't need to teach people like me, we already know what the truth and humility is , Thank you...:-)

PS. I'm 44 years old, left Iran with nothing, self educated myself and made few small businesses for myself here in the free world. I'm no "cyber-worrior, retired or unemployed" for your information...

Free Iran & Iranians  

VPK You're not gonna cut lose a Victim like HTG that easily.

Sucking the life blood out of creative projects is a victim specialty, I know I can be one at times.  LOL... Since this is a creative project, I feel you are right, cut'em off and move on. If you can you are a better man than I. Azadi Nazdik Ast.  Che khosh boo hast.

You're the one not getting it? You can't even write in Farsi,

Let alone speak it, and yet think of yourself as a 'typical" Iranian.

For a moment just imagine if we had an Iran of seventy five millions who thought of themselves as veiled prophets of khorasan, yet Persian challenged to the max, and not able to write or speak in Farsi! How do you spell surreal?

Thank you amirparviz & VPK.

Thank you amirparviz & VPK. Happy 2012 to both of you... :-)

You are not getting it HTG

People who are going for RP are not Monarchists. They are normal people sick of IRI. Just happens that RP is the most suitable option now.

But don't get so mad. People have a right to their ideas. It is democracy.

Monarchists outside of Iranian.com are practicaly non-existent

and even in here other than a couple with real names RP, DK, Elham,.. and a few others, the rest are just a bunch of silly repetitive avatars, that at the end of the day are boild down to two or three old retired or unemployed Persian challenged cyber-warriors.

Iran will be freed by Iranian social movements from within Iran, not another stupid 'coalition" of nobodies, representing no one but a bunch of utterly ignorant silly avatars in IC. Have you had enough for one night? Or you need more?

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زهرا خانم بچه اولش سر زا رفت و از اون ببعد چراغش کورشد.  هرچی دوا درمون کردن چاره اش نشد. بردنش پیش آقا و او توی گوشش دعا خواند و فوت کرد. دو ماه بعد زهرا خانم افتاد توی حوض و خفه شد

Thats the truth.

Let people choose themselves out at any time, freely, or else there nothing positive will happen. This is a huge Project and it will need people to work on actively removing the inertia that comes along from time to time.  As long as regime is changed and we aim for freedom and a secular democracy, we'll need all the will we can get.

Re: Why some Iranian people

Does it matter? There are always people who say "my way or the highway". No movement gets all the people. The realist will let them go and do with those who do join. 

If you read you will see the naysayers are few but outspoken. Fine let them yell until their voices get hoarse. I don't want these people to join because they just bring their poison with them. A movement is far better off without these types.

I worked on a lot of projects in my time. Once in a while we get a person who hates the project. They are always complaining and saying it will fail. The best thing is to let them go. If not they are going to demoralize the whole group.

Arthimis, ignorance is the source of all evil some say

I say there is no evil, just ignorance.  That's why some people while using all they have, very little as it is, they can only attack groups within an opposition and will kick and scream, even though the goal is to unite and use our rage against the Khomeinist Regime of Ayatollahs in Government.  Moral of the story: Gain some Knowledge and use it all to go after the IRI.  Iran needs many good people to get rid of IRI. Maybe it is necessary for us to see and remember the actions of some.

Why some Iranian people

Why some Iranian people are so  narcissistic , jealous, bitter & hypocrite?  Why can't these people for once, become united??? As an opposition to Islamic Republic regime, which democratic organization and /or individual has stood up to declare an opposition against I.R. to the world??? Reza Pahlavi so far has been the only one that the world might take serious!!!!

He is the only one who has the honest and logical intentions to do anything... Why can't these people for once be reasonable,fair and THINK for IRAN & IRANIANS rather than their own sick narcissistic egos??? I'm not a "Pahlavi lover, in fact if anything, Pahlavi dynasty brought down my own "Qajar" ancestors in Iran....

But for love of Iran, for love of decency, freedom and justice, if you want Freedom and Prosperity for Iran and Iranians, please STOP all this POISON (which will further benefit I.R. regime...) and become UNIDED with Mr. Pahlavi's opposition because he is the only one who is doing something positive and that the world recognizes and gives a platform to act!!!

Free Yourselves from hate and bitternesss, Become UNITED (for once!) and Join the Opposition to Free Iran and Iranians. Amen.

One more thing on your "ancestors"

سومين کتاب آرامش دوستدار «امتناع تفکر در فرهنگ دينی» نام دارد.
(انتشارات خاوران، پاريس ۱۳۸۳). این کتاب را می‌توان اصلی‌ترين اثر آرامش
دوستدار ارزيابی کرد. آن رگه‌ی سرخی را که در آثار پيشين آرامش دوستدار به
چشم می‌خورد، می‌توان در اين کتاب با برجستگی بيشتری پی‌گرفت. نويسنده
تاکید می‌کند که ظلمت هر اعتقادی، حقيقت هر اعتقاد است. حقيقت بدين معنا آن
ناپرسيده و نادانسته‌ای‌ست که با احاطه‌ی درونی‌اش بر ما فرهنگی می‌شود،
يعنی احساس جمعی را تسخير می‌کند و شالوده‌ی اعتقاد را می‌ريزد. وی، فرهنگ
استوار بر چنين بنيادی را دينی می‌نامد و فرهنگ ايران را در سراسر تاريخش
بر اين بنياد اعتقادی و بر این پایه، دينی می‌داند. دو مفهوم بنيادين در
اين اثر، «فرهنگ دينی» و «امتناع تفکر» هستند. تز کانونی کتاب می‌گويد که
تفکر در فرهنگ دينی ممتنع يا ناممکن است و از آنجا که فرهنگ ما در سراسر
تاريخش دينی بوده، انديشيدن در آن از همان آغاز محال بوده و همچنان مانده
است. با اين همه، نويسنده یادآور می‌شود که فرهنگ ما کاملا تهی از پرسش و
انديشه نبوده است. نمونه‌های نادری از پرسش و انديشه در آن وجود داشته‌اند
که چشمه‌های فکری برخاسته از آن‌ها، در برهوت فرهنگ دينی ما خشک شده‌اند.
به اين ترتيب، نويسنده ميان «فرهنگ دينی» و «امتناع تفکر» رابطه‌ای علّی
می‌بيند، به اين صورت که «فرهنگ دينی» مطلقا علت است و «امتناع تفکر» مطلقا
معلول آن.

آرامش دوستدار در اين اثر، به بررسی مسايل زيرزمينی فرهنگ ما و ناديده
مانده‌ها و نايافته‌های آن همت می‌گمارد و می‌کوشد در دوره‌ها و پديده‌های
مهمی از ايران باستان و ايران اسلامی بکاود و بنگرد. اين کاويدن و نگريستن و
تحليل های برآمده از آن، کاملا درونی صورت می گيرد و نه از ديدگاهی
بيرونی. چرا که به باور نويسنده، هر فرهنگی بغرنج‌های خودش را در درونش
دارد و حمل می‌کند، بغرنج‌هايی که راه حل‌های درونی می‌خواهند، نه بيرونی و
عاريتی. بر این پایه، خودشناسی با معيارهای ناخودين هرگز ميسر نمی‌گردد.
شناختن، چه ناظر بر ما و چه ناظر بر جز ما باشد، همواره با اين شرط صورت
می‌گيرد که بتوانيم با آن چيزی که می‌خواهيم بشناسيم فاصله بگيريم.
نويسنده، مشکل جدی در خودشناسی فرهنگی ما را در مقاومت درونی می‌بيند که
خود يکی از عوارض فرهنگ دينی است. انگيزه‌های اين مقاومت درونی اگر چه
متفاوت و گاه حتا متعارض‌اند، ولی همين مقاومت درونی به تنهايی سمج ترين
مانع در راه يافتن به خودشناسی فرهنگی ماست. پی بردن به وضع وخيم فرهنگ ما
بسيار دشوار است و ما آنقدر آسانگير و سطحی هستيم که نتوانيم وخامت وضع را
ببينيم. فقط کوشش آگاهانه‌ی توانفرسا می تواند ما را از زنده به گور شدن
فرهنگی موقتا نجات دهد. فقط و فقط با آشتی ناپذيری جستجو کننده‌ای که
موانع، و نه خودش را جدی بگيرد، شايد روزی بتوانيم ديوار خارايی اين فرهنگی
را که ما را چون تله‌ای احاطه کرده، از تو بشکافيم و بدرانيم.

You writing is the worst insult to my intelligence, not to

mention my taste.

For someone so virulent about his/her heritage its peculiar you can't write in Persian. Not even once. What gives?

As far as your "ancestors:" the correct historical duration for the ultra-nationalist Nazi fring Iranian Aryans is 8000 years. And I've been pissing on it joyfully all my adult life, cheers 

HTG logic, please check it out

"یک عنوان دیگربرای مقام ، کاملا غیر دموکراتیک ، متحجر و عقب مانده ، شاه است.
شاه الله:" Hooshang T.G 

So our ancestors for over 5000 years were retarded and stupid. Because they chosed "shah" and "monarchy" as their political system they were undemocratic, and retarded.

That is an insult to Iranians and Iran history.

Souri HR

He managed well. I have

He managed well. I have noting against him. I wish him and his family good health.

یاد زهرا خانوم، ننه قطب زاده و همه بچه‌های لباس شخصی به خیر

که خوندن بعضی‌ از اظهارات اینجا من رو به یاد گفته‌های اون مرحوم انداخت:

همان سال هم در محل زندگیش جشن تولد شاه را در چهارم آبان چراغان کرده بود.

وقتی زهرا خانم به آقا ذبیح گفت که من شاه‌دوست بودم و وقتی آقا [یعنی آیت‌الله خمینی] فتوا دادند، دیگر لامپ‌ها را شکستم و چادر به کمرم بستم تا الان. به گمانم آقا ذبیح این را می‌فهمید و با زهرا خانم همدلی می‌کرد. این راهی بود که خودش هم طی کرده بود.

hirre, even the worst "Orientalist" are not as offensive as

telling Iranians they need people from "democratic" countries to show them how to live democratically.

Though in shallow journalisitic take on Iranian history, culture and society, Iranians are always considered inferior to "Westerners," it would be usefull to remind all that Iran at various stages and periods of its history has been a leader in quest for freedom and democracy: during the Constitutional Revolution, Nationalization of the Oil Industry, and during the 1979 Revolution against shah.

Even now under the worst possible dictatorship imagineable Iran still posses one of the most advanced democratic movements in the world.

Please stop insulting Iranians with colonialist, Orientalist leftovers.

VPK, on Human Rights

To be a member of the Human Rights, you must register with them and pay your monthly (or yearly) membership. Now, you can do it, as an independant, or through a group or organization which is already a member. From that point on, you as a member, get the news and all information about the HR activities and you will (usually) act on the causes which you take  at heart.

However there's a difference between a Human Rights member and a Human Rights activist. You can be a member, paying your membership, but not being so active/ or being an active member/ or being an "activist" without being a member.

Unfortunately the International Human Rights Organization do not check your background in detail, when you want to become a member. The sole act of paying the high rate of membership, is in fact a proof of your good will for the humanitarian cause.

This is all I know about that.

The problem

The problem is not iranian politics. It's all politics!

Right now the spotlight is on RP sometimes, but not the mainstream spotlight because the west feels it might be dangerous due to historical errors of US/UK trying to interfer with iranian domestic politics in the past...

Of course there are better leaders and politicions out there, also parties! But the problem is that only those who have money or other influences except the political message (unless it's e.g. a radical message) can go to the top and show themselves to the masses. This happens both in the US and in Iran... 

Now I might not agree with RP's position on some issues and his method, but the message is crystal clear. If I had the choice between him and a person in Iran who has never experienced democracy, I would choose RP.

If you want to kickstart democracy you need to have people with experience. Take e.g. Greece, which became a democracy in the 70's after the military "junta" was dissolved. The problem later on was that nobody had experience with democracy, hence you would see a lot of corruption, an over-sized public sector and a dept based economy with more spending than effective production which has ultimately led to the crises it faces today.

In the case of Iran you need people with real experience from democratic countries to atleast lead the people for one term so that others will follow in their footsteps later on... 

Also in practice it is a greater insult to force a shah-figure down our throats (us, we, the majority of iranians that don't want this), wheter a religious shah or cultural one, than to simply playing with words...

ضل الله (سایه خدا)

Its time to

It is time to drop the insult "shahollahi" from this website all together. Lets debate ideas instead of exchanging insults.

Human Rights

The title came up and I want to ask people what is means. I know what an engineer; doctor or plumber is. But I don't know what an HR activist is. How do you become one? 

The other ones require a degree or a certification. You study; apprentice and then become one. You do work and get paid. Now who gets to be an HR activist. What is the qualification and who decides you are. Do I get to declare myself one.

The reason I ask this is very important because the name gives a "good" impression. It makes one get the "high ground". But often I see these people supporting despots. Or ideas which I find far from "human rights". In my book it means nothing. 

Arj

I did not say that you don't have a right to speech. I just said I believe you are not being upfront about your motives. You don't like RP and instead of saying it pretend to be asking "questions".