Iranian of the Day

Mr Dr Mohandes

Look, I do think that it was degrading cos I think nudity is wrong, in whatever context for whatever point someone is trying to make.  I think there are better ways of getting one's message across (btw, I'm not talking necessarily about Ms GF here cos I don't know whether she was trying to make a point per se.  I am just referring to nudity by itself).  Now call me a prude, a conservative, backward or whatever (though please NOT a IRI stooge!) but this's my view! And whilst I am happy to read other people's points of view, I'm still going to think what I think (as are you!). 

I think agree to disagree.

But thankyou for being nice to me in your posts, despite the fact we are opposed on this topic.  I realise that to be on here, one has to develop a thick skin but some people are hurtful sometimes.

Regards. 

Race issue

"Iranian and Arabs are actually not the same race-Iranians are largely Aryan whilst Arabs are Assyrian, Beduoin and Kurd."Expat

 "I certainly haven't heard of the expressions that you mention, but that could partly be because I was brought up in England," Expat

Yes that is the reason your thinking is westernized and see things based on the race. We as Iranians don't have that problem.

      Brits had a long history of slave trade from African. Slaverly breed racial hate between 2 people from 2 different race. Brits used to put signs at the retaurants in India. "NO Dogs,NO INDIANS" when they were ruling Inida. Similarly they did the same thing in south africa where they took Indians as slaves on cottonfield plantation in south africa. Then Brits established Apartheid regime which was segregation of people based on their races. Indians were banned to go to downtown area in south africa after 6 pm. Only white Europeans. Taxis used the sign "Blanca" and "Mio- Blanca" means " White and None white" on top  of their cars. The signs were applied to public restaurants, public bathrooms and other areas. The white Europeans had a big lash in their hands most of the time they were in public areas. For example, if they were seeing None white person walking on the same side of street with them, they used to use that lash to whip them.  Racial segragation and racial hate breed from slaverly. Slaves didn't like the race of slave masters and visa versa.White Europeans made classification of Negro race as A. Inhouse Nigger  B.Field Nigger . These 2 groups were performing different tasks. Europeans later on used the same terms for Arabs as "Sand Niggers".  Racism was the illegitimate child of that relationship between these 2 races that was rooted on history of slaverly.  Similar configration structured in America at the same time.

As a Persian woman you have to be proud your history that never harbor such a brutality. No history of slaverly in Iran, so we don't carry the "Guilty Conscious" as the white Europeans counterpart are suffering. On the other hand, we also don't carry feeling of submission and obedience that Indians or black folks are experiencing in dealing with the Europeans.

Siavash Agha..

Thank you for your clarification, though as I stated in Disenchanted's blog, Iranian and Arabs are actually not the same race-Iranians are largely Aryan whilst Arabs are Assyrian, Beduoin and Kurd.  Anthropologically, we are essentially different ethnicities but are lumped together with either 'asians' or 'middle easterners'!

I accept that Iranians may have euphamisms for certain people-I certainly haven't heard of the expressions that you mention, but that could partly be because I was brought up in England, and haven't really heard my parents use those expressions either.  I don't actually think Arabs eats lizards though!

Expat Jaan Jaan

It is not???

You Judgee someone based on Making assumptions about that person and Frankly you repeated that same assumption enough number of times to qualify that as the real act of passing judgments!! Not to mention the tone with which you brought it up, as if to emphasize on the fact that what she is doing is definitely degrading and demeaning, as indicated by your statement along the lines : "she is doing her part in order to raise her status...and the fact that it cheapens her"....

I mean Come on lady. How much more obvious than this is it gonna get???!!! I was not born yesterday (though i wish i were):))) 

Clarification for expat

"I have a problem with you CONSTANTLY referring to Arabs as lizard-eater Arabs" Expat

First of all we are talking about Golshifteh naked photo shot which promotes women's liberation in Iran. We are not talking about race here. If we agree on this part, we can move to the next part which is not as important as women's liberation and equality between men and women. we are fighting against sexism.

Second, when I say Lizard eater arab, I am describing that group of people because they eat lizard. That is description. What is wrong with description?. The description also gives the feeling about that group of people to the viewers. The readers can get feeling what  type of people we are dealing with.  Similarly when I said stinky rag heads who occupied Iran. That is also description of a group of people who occupied Iran. Nothing referring to their raceS. If I called Arabs "Sand niggers" then you were right, that is racial slur  and I always avoid to call them sand niggers. But lizard eater has been in Iranian expresion since Arab invasion 1400 years ago. We also have another expression in Farsi. When some one is dumb and stupid we say : He is AZ BEEKH ARAB, means he is dumb. That is part of our language and part of our culture. I was raised in that culture. I picked up dominate idea of our culture as I grown up. Unlike others who were raised in western countries and race is important factor for them, we (Iranians)  don't care about people's race. Racial discrimination is western concept and it has no place in Persian culture. Race hate has been rooted on history of slaverly between white Europeans and black Africans. We never had history of slaverly in Iran. That is something to be proud of. 

           LONG LIVE EQUALITY BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN

Sorry..

I though NP meant being a new poster?

I haven't been on here before and certainly haven't been banned.  I doubt I'm contorversial enough, or rude enough, or disrespectful enough to be banned.

 This goes back to what I said before-posters are quick enough to jump on others who 'dare' to voice an opinion (politely) that is different to their own.  Why? There is room for all of us surely?  

 VPK Jon: What's worse is

 VPK Jon: What's worse is these Islamists have sold their soul to IRI and most of them have amassed wealth, get their paychek directly from cyber basij (MOIS or Vevak) or position at the expense of bloodshed, raping women, trafficking women, by their masters (read IRI leadership). These prostitutes all have directly or indirectly have benefited from shedding blood of innocent people. As you already know, the Islamists are the most hypocritical vermins on earth.  

A state of war only serves as an excuse for domestic tyranny.--Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.

Free ...

I Sold a body? It is your mind that is that sick to think people are property. I do not sell humans because I am not an Islamist. 

Now you are a fine product of a "decent" Muslim culture. Great job Fre.... You go on ..  

What is bad about doing it for money?

I do about 60 hours work a week for money and proud of it. Meaning I am not on government dole and pay taxes. What is better: to work or to leech off work of other people and government? To me it is obvious.

When a person becomes and actress they act many roles. These may involve nudity or all kinds of things. But Muslims do not get it. They think all the world revolves around them. Particularly a person who is from an "Islamic background"

The Muslims feel they or rather Islam owns these people forever. That is why they get so mad when people give up Islam. It is like someone stole their personal property. Now if the person is a woman it is even worse because a woman to them is property. These are the parts I really hate about Islam. The interference with daily life. The nosy and obnoxious acts of peering int o everybody's business. 

Dear Vildermose

I wonder how long before Islamists will want hijab for test tubes :-) We got artificial insemination so they got to deal with it.

Another thing is that would be nice if somehow people would get "one" id here. Some people use new id to return after being banned. What is the point. When we all know who they are why not remove the ban and let them use the old id.

I sort of liked the camel picture honestly! In case of NP she was never banned. Why not use our known and loved ids. We might as well because it makes for long term contacts and so on. 

Dr jaan..

But is saying she did it for money 'judging her'?  It's being presumptious, but do you think judgemental? Would it be bad if she was paid for it?

FreeIranForever-Seriously?! Khanum/Agha jan, please be respectful.  Do you really think people will bother reading your post/listening to your point when you're this rude?

Vildemose, I am a NP, honest!

expat

Okay. cool it now girl:)

I have nothing againts voicing opinions with using common decency but i could not help but to detect a trace of "passing Judgment' yet disguised as articulating your opinion, But anywho that is just my opinion on your opinion (Opinion on opinion Kinda like a double cheeseburger).

But just one thing: You would be going far beyond Just articulating how you feel when you start making "speculations" on the possible motives she might have done this for. You could say naaaa... this looks bad or Yaayy! way to go shifteh, but when you get down into analyzing matters and try to find a reason, that is not called mere articulation back where i come from.

 Anywho. Feel free to rock on. 

........

FREIRANFORVERLIKEARABIASAUDIA Na merci zahmatnakesh niaz nist shoma fekre azadi Iran bashi !!

Link of the picture was post on 17 /01 ....we are 25th it's excactly 1 week and 1 day !

 smells like NP too !

Had to be reposted

by Mash Ghasem on Tue Jan 24, 2012 05:33 PM PST

with womens' role in procreation, and how all lower body parts, bits and parts, and related members are some supposed 'sanctified zones' dedicated to and for 'procreation,' (effectively turning women's bodies into incubators under male control).

Lobotomized flow of 'respect' must go on.

 NP=Expat

A state of war only serves as an excuse for domestic tyranny.--Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.

FreeIran ,,,

You are very funny as you so typify a good Islamist.

• What makes you think I bend over for the West? I agree with the freedoms. Bending over is if I went to a Muslim run nation and lived with its rules. You are the one bending over by living in the West when you hate it. 
• Involving a person's mother in these is a form of attack by Iranians. If I were the same kind of person as you I would dish it back out to you. But I am more polite than you and will not involve your mother.
• Me a Zionist I love it! Spoken as a true Islamist. You guys are programmed to make a jab at a Jew. No matter what at some point the Islamist must show antisemitism. Thank you for showing your nature.

Pack up move to your Islamist Republic and remain there. 

What are you doing in the West anyway? 

I wonder

Really how much would she have sold her body for? 1 mil? half a mil? sounds cheap when you put numbers on the subject!

VPK

have u stopped and wondered if u havent bent over enough to the west... now u are applauding women getting naked? whats next u selling ur mom on the black market? Geez... take i easy bro.... I was just voicing my opionion on the subject in a forum!!! Doesnt make sense to u does it since ur sitting somewhere on the moon daydreaming the day Iran will break to western imperialism! Well im telling u from now u Zionist... stay in the moon because Iran will bever bend over to fools with ur idiology and sick mind to sell his own women on the net! Disgusting by that I meant!

Dr Mohandes

Yeah I would agree to a certain point with that.  But I'm not so much passing judgment on HER rather than articulating what I'm feeling!  I did say that I think she may have had financial gain, but again I am voicing my true feelings.  Why should me voicing my opinion affect you, or others though? It is MY opinion!  The world would be very boring if we all thought the same, wouldn't you agree? Just as long as we articulate what we feel with common decency and respect, I don't get why others should get so angry to then start speculating (wrongly in most cases!) on the poster's religious/political orientation.

I AM a new poster so any 'Detective' work is slightly Pink Panther-ish! :)

Love and Peace Aghayeh Doctor Mohandes 

Gitdoen 2.0

I hate to tell you this but you have totally misunderstood my points.

Golshifteh would be in the same position as that innocent drunkard singing a song and not harming or imposing on the public. The point i am trying to make is that we may conform to a set of rules or morality codes , or even ethical codes as a society but no one can tell You and I as an individual to conduct our lives necessarily on that basis. That would be up to us. And No that does not necessarily something that happens in a Utopian society.

Expat khanoom

I take your point and i see where you are coming from. But saying that Hey i am just making a comment on so and so since they made a public gesture , would not justify you/ or anyone else passing judgemnets and making baseless speculation as to what her/his motives for doing whatever they did was.

Okaayyyy??>:))) 

VPK

Nice detective work there buddy. I was thinking along the same lines too. 

Is expat NP?

Just wondering because most new posters on IC are the old ones. 

Siavash Jan..

It is one thing to be against the Arab people's ideology.  I have no problem with that-that is your thought and you are more than welcome to it.  I have a problem with you CONSTANTLY referring to Arabs as lizard-eater Arabs.  I understand from your previous post this is a term used by some Iranians who think the Arabs are regressive/backward/whatever, but on the whole, it is derogatory and racist.  It shows intolerence towards a particular sect of society, and is unnecessary.  I didn't respond to your post in Disenchanted's blog because he/she made a fine point of addressing you, but seeing as you brought it up...

As for equality-I completely agree with you.  Why shouldn't men and women stand shoulder to shoulder in one country, in one society? 

Peace and love. 

Irrational accusation.

"...with the minor exception of a very small number who are insulting, prejudiced or racist" Expat

To be anti arab's ideology from 1400 has nothing to do with their race. The idea that is barbaric,premitive and it is NOT Persian. It is from bare feet arab desert in Arabian Peninsula. The idea that forces to wrap women in a "black shroud". It is discriminatory against women and has nothing to do with being racist. The idea is degrading toward women. it has something to do with women's right and social justice. It puts women as a 2nd class citizen. Not equal to men. That also violate women's right. That is commonly called "Sexism". Sexism is a perception of women to be inferior to men. People who promotes that idea are sexist. We are fighting against SEXISM. I fight for women right all my life. Equality and justice for women. Golshifteh naked shot promotes women's right in Iran. It serves women's interest rahter than hurting women's status in Iran. It is convenient to accuse someone of being "Racist" because we are still talking about the picture, not race  

                      LONG LIVE DEMOCRACY, LONG LIVE FREEDOM

                 LONG LIVE EQUALITY BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN.

The post below was for Vildemose

Divaneh-I meant to put a separate post for you but am typing on my tiny phone so sorry for the error. Wanted to say I enjoy reading your posts, though we have differing views. You though have made the most convincing, eloquent argument for what you think!

Love and Peace.

قسمت دیگری از شعرفروغ برای دوست عزیز مان

Divaneh

I think it's really convenient to accuse someone of being 'obsessed' or 'stalking' GF because we are still talking about the picture. The point is we are DEBATING-people put different trains of thought across and the recipient reader will either agree or disagree. Ultimately she posed publicly so naturally the public will comment-this wasn't a personal picture that was taken from her private photo collection! I accept people will have differing views from me, and on the whole enjoy reading responses to a post (with the minor exception of a very small number who are insulting, prejudiced or racist). So why not encourage healthy debate rather than try to stifle it?

You're welcome my friend

"Thanks for posting Siavash" Disenchantd

At least you learn one piece of Forogh Farokhzad's poem. That is good. Now,you can say to Mash Ghasem you know who Forogh was. This piece of her poem also you gives you a feel of what Persian culture looked like before stinky mullah's took away our culture and our country.  

متبرک باد نام او

متبرک باد نام او.

Divaneh jan

        I agree with lots of points in your second post, though we have our disagreement on some key points,,,

آخرین نشا نه های یک مذهب شگفت

     sounds a bit messianic! :-) 

    Thanks for posting Siavash!

It's not an obsession with Farahani per se, rathar an obsession

with womens' role in procreation, and how all lower body parts, bits and parts, and related members are some supposed 'sanctified zones' dedicated to and for 'procreation,' (effectively turning women's bodies into incubators  under male control).

Lobotomized flow of 'respect' must go on.