The Greatest Sin

Being a Bahai in Iran

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The Greatest Sin
by Fariba Amini
04-Sep-2010
 

In 1952, an emissary went to Ayatollah Boroujerdi (the highest ranking Shi'a cleric) to ask him to tell members of the Fedayeen-e Islam not to engage in disruptive and violent acts. Boroujerdi did not relent. After all, he and Ayatollah Kashani were the spiritual leaders of the Fedayeen. Since long before and during the 1950's, members of the cult were engaged in acts of violence including the murder of historian Ahmad Kasravi, PM Razmara, and members of the Bahai faith. That emissary was my father who had been given the task by Mohammad Mosaddeq.

Even though many Bahais had supported Reza Shah, he had chosen to close down their main schools, Tarbyiat. Historians interpret this move differently, some arguing that in his decision to close the Bahai schools the Shah was motivated less by anti-Bahai sentiments than by a suspicion of anything beyond his control. Bahais at times suffered discrimination, but they also grew in number under his rule, encountering less violence than under the Qajars.

Nearly four decades later, a General, who had broken down Mosaddeq’s house door and was involved in the coup against his government, was given clemency by the newly established Islamic regime. Under Mohammad Reza Shah, he was given the task of desecrating Hazirat ol -Qods, the main shrine of the Bahais. The General’s name was Nader Batmanglidj. After the fall of the Shah, as a number of generals were executed, his life was spared because of his role in the destruction of the shrine.

Recently I came across an informative but disturbing article , “The stabbing of Dr. Berjis,” from the hand of Nasser Mohajer, published in Baran, Spring/Summer 1387/2008, regarding the killing of a Bahai doctor in Kashan. This happened in 1942. Dr. Sulayman Berjis, whose ancestors had come from Hamadan, had moved to the city of Kashan with his family. He was a physician doing good deeds for the community and saving lives in his practice. He had a pharmacy where poor people could get free medicine and treatment. He was also the head of the Bahai community in a city where Bahais once thrived. He had acquired a good name because of his compassionate work. One day, a few young men entered his practice, asking him to come and help a sick person. He left his patients and went with them to a location where he was met by another man. They threatened him that if he didn’t abandon his faith, they would kill him. Realizing that he was trapped, he tried to escape to a nearby house. But the four killers went after him with knives. They caught him, threw him down and viciously stabbed him to death. Rasoul Zadeh, their leader, (In June 1988, Kayhan published Haj Rasoul Zadeh’s obituary as having been a devout Muslim and a true follower of Navab Safavi, who had engaged in the heroic act of killing a Zionist element in Kashan!) then cut his throat. Blood was everywhere. Dr. Berjis had done nothing wrong. In fact, he was an exemplary citizen and a dedicated doctor in a place where his services were much needed. He had saved lives and was in the prime of his life (he was only 54 when he died) but he lost his own life because he was a Bahai.

The murderers went to the police and confessed to the killing. They were proud of their action and had no remorse. After all, the killing was done according to a Fatwa (religious decree) issued by Ayatollah Gharavi , the local Grand Mojtahed ( highest cleric in town). A trial took place and after 8 months of investigation, upon the orders from Tehran, all four (and an additional four more who were co-conspirators in the crime) were acquitted. All the young men, ages 17 and 18, barely having grown a beard, had been members of the Fedayeen-e Islam. Kashani and Boroujerdi (the latter being a staunch anti-Bahai ) had intervened on their behalf and had asked that they be set free. Their request had been granted. The killers went free while an innocent doctor had been given the death sentence. His family never got any form of justice. They had quietly buried him in a cemetery designated for Bahais. (See article that details the entire episode and the trial).

In 1979, shortly after the Iranian Revolution, the Bahai cemetery in Shiraz, one of the largest in Iran, was desecrated by extreme elements. Bahais were rounded up and beaten. Many were arrested. Families were dispersed. Many were not able to attend universities as a few students who were working at a grocery store in the Washington area and had left Iran through Turkey told me. They said they had wanted to stay and continue with their education in their hometown of Shiraz if they had been allowed. But they were denied their basic right as citizens to get an education. “Compared to other religious minorities in Iran, the Bahais lived under much harsher conditions, for they were the only religious minority that was neither officially recognized nor given freedom of worship.” (The Forgotten Schools: The Baha’is and Modern Education in Iran, 1899-1934, Soli Shahvar).

The Islamic Republic is merciless when it comes to members of the Bahai faith. It is the greatest sin to be a Bahai because in the eyes of Islam the idea of divine revelation after the death of the Prophet Mohammad—the Seal of the Prophets— is unacceptable. The regime's Shi'a leaders consider the Bahai faith dangerous; to them it is the highest form of apostasy. The Bahais are also branded as Zionists. One reason for this is that Mirza Hossein Ali Nouri, aka Bahaollah, who was forced to leave Iran, ended up in Ottoman Iraq and by way of Istanbul went to Palestine where he died in 1892 in the city of Akko, now in Israel. Following an anachronistic reading of history, the clergy see him and the Bahais as brothers –in- arms of the Jewish state and its potential ally.

According to a brochure published in 2009 by the International Federation of Human Rights Communities (FIDH) on the history of execution in Iran, there are about 300,000 Bahais in Iran( It is inherently difficult to establish an accurate number). "Not only they are denied their civil rights but the number of executions has been higher than any other religious minority." The same report states that between 1979-1980, more than 200 Bahais had been executed or murdered. Fifteen others had disappeared most likely killed. In 1984, in Shiraz alone, 10 Bahai women were executed after disobeying orders giving up their faith for Islam. One was Mona Mahmoud Nejad, who at the time of her arrest was 16 years old. She was seventeen when she was executed in Adel Abad prison in Shiraz. Another 15 year old boy, Peyman Sobhany, was beaten and then stoned to death.

In recent times, a number of Bahai leaders and community members have been arrested and incarcerated. It is now a repeat of what took place almost three decades ago. Bahais are not just targeted by extreme elements of the Islamic regime. The sad part is that even a Khatami official told me once that Bahais are not to be supported even if they are imprisoned. I shook my head in disbelief and my reply was (I know I am not alone in this respect as many Iranians and Iranian Americans have expressed their outrage): “They are no different from you and I.” They should not be singled out for their faith or way of life, especially if they have committed no crime, are honorable citizens and love and worry about Iran as much as the next person.

I remember talking with those young men while they were packing bags of grocery. They were two brothers and their cousin. I saw sadness in their eyes. They had lost a few years waiting in Turkey for their papers in order to travel to the US. One of them said to me, I wish I could go back and live again in the city of Shiraz where I grew up and had my roots. “I loved Shiraz,” he said.

Hafez and Sa'adi of Shiraz, who wrote about beauty, wine and their love for mankind, are now turning in their graves at the thought of what is happening to Iran. Wouldn't you?

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Dariush A

shepesh

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Leaving is not the answer. live and learn!

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thexmaster

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...

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"You are so unfamiliar with spiritual world that you cannot even be detected on the radar. "

Your type reminds me why I left Iran. I would not be surprised if you are not another avetar for Nur-i-Azal. I am not wasting more time on you, and am leaving this blog.


Dariush A

shepesh

by Dariush A on

Your respond to Aryana, told me all about you,

You wrote,

I hope you feel refreshed. You forgot to mention your special potion from the South American jungles.

Then you backed that with,

Fleeting from religion to religion and consuming chemicals or potions is not the way to improve oneself or a short cut to enlightenment.

You are so unfamiliar with spiritual world that you cannot even be detected on the radar.


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Dariush

by Shepesh on

What do you know about me to be so personal with your remarks? You call others childish, but look at your comments here.

I suppose my faults in your eyes are to want an Iran where everyone can practive their religion in peace without prejudice.  

I see you have edited your comment with "why i bring myself down to your level " - you demonstrate the higher than thou attitude religious fanatics have towards others. Keep taking the potions, obviously they have made you more humane as a person.  As demonstrated by your comments about Iranian Jews and Bahais.


Dariush A

shepesh

by Dariush A on

Practice what you preach!

Consuming chemicals?  I told you you cannot comprehend.  That is why i bring myself down to your level on this site, so you can understand. otherwise, you wouldn't.  

Farah,

You confirmed the comments I made about you. The devil is in the details.


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Comprehend this

by Shepesh on

Fleeting from religion to religion and consuming chemicals or potions is not the way to improve oneself or a short cut to enlightenment. You have to admit your own faults and deal with them in order to become a better person. But is that just too much hard work, working on oneself? Admitting ones faults and weaknesses and dealing with them?

 

The most balanced and pleasant individuals I know are those that are not religious or filled with prejudice. Some of the comments here, about some Iranians that do not deserve to stay in their own country because of their religions is unbelievable and shows how awful fanatics can be.


Farah Rusta

To my dear friends Ali P And Aryana-Vaeja

by Farah Rusta on

هزار دشمنم ار می‌کنند قصد هلاک
گرم تو دوستی از دشمنان ندارم باک

 My dear unseen friends, you are two brilliant examples of free spirit and chivalry. Thank you and may God bless you both.

Aryana jaan, I am glad to have found you again,

 

With sincere thanks for your informed and independent voices of reason,

 Farah


R2-D2

Bijan (Obama) & Aryana

by R2-D2 on

I am delighted to see a convergence of thoughts in the direction of what the true meaning of all religions should be .....

I am fully aware of the great differences, and perhaps hostilities, that exist between the Bahais and the Bayanis .....

Having said that, if these differences are somehow not transcended to embrace the true and real meaning of all faiths, which at their core embrace Love towards all mankind, then indeed we, for all intents and purposes, have missed the true and real meaning of all faiths .....

As I was reading the comments below, all the way from yesterday, I noticed this meaningful poem by Rumi which was cited several comments below by Massoud -

I honestly don't think there is any better way of summarizing what has been said so far than by what Rumi said in those very few words, over almost 800 years ago ...

Please, Let's Not Miss The Forest For The Trees ... :) - !

Best,

R D

P.S. I would like to thank Fariba for putting this blog together in the first place, which in effect, allowed these discussions and exchanges to take place - Your efforts are very much appreciated :)

 

 


Aryana-Vaeja

Important point, Bijan

by Aryana-Vaeja on

 WE DON'T RUN AWAY FROM ISLAM TO BECOME BAHAII! WE ARE RUNNING AWAY FROM
ALL THE RELIGIONS TO FIND REFUGE IN OUR HEARTS EMPTYING IT FROM HATE,
AND FILL IT WITH LOVE! PEACE!

Ushta!

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May we be amongst those who are to bring about the transfiguration of the Earth - Zoroastrian prayer


Bijan Douli

Wonderful discussion finally and TABLIGHAAT for some!

by Bijan Douli on

Your mind is full of religion! Rinse it for a change! All you see is your religion, not others! Who really cares what your belief is, if you are not a good person and you are only willing to help and befriend only people with your faiths!

Go back to humanity and stop all these BS about my religion is better than yours and I hate you even though I am a good religious person! Bring LOVE of people in your heart regardless of their beliefs! If you can do that, come and a talk to me! Religion is a drug that causes you to helucinate!

WE DON'T RUN AWAY FROM ISLAM TO BECOME BAHAII! WE ARE RUNNING AWAY FROM ALL THE RELIGIONS TO FIND REFUGE IN OUR HEARTS EMPTYING IT FROM HATE, AND FILL IT WITH LOVE! PEACE!


Aryana-Vaeja

Safsateh o maqlateh goo'ee

by Aryana-Vaeja on

Faryar said:

1. Bahais clearly have a choice, they can not and dont inherit their fathers religion.

Yet
if they reject their "father's religion" and publicly acknowledge the
fact
they will be systematically shunned, defamed, libelled, socially
ostracized, declared
apostates, have their families turned against them, have their
livelihoods interfered with, have attempts on their life occur, have fictitious criminal cases manufactured against them on the internet, have their email accounts hacked into, have identity theft occur to them, have their lives deliberately endangered on numerous occasions, be spied upon and generally have their privacy and that of their friends violated, ad
nauseum
. These are all things  your organization has done to me.

 2. Baha'u'llah was sent to exile, because just like the Bab before Him,
any prison they could send Him like Chihriq or Maku, would soon become
the destination for thousands of believers; even the prison guards would
soon become believers....

Nonsense. Mirza Husayn 'Ali Nuri and his gang of thugs were sent to prison because the violence and murder sprea they instigated against the partisans of Subh-i-Azal forced the Ottoman government's hand to imprison him. He was a criminal.  He was ordering people's murder. The authorities acted. Period! But what kind of imprisonment is it that gets to live in palatial splendor such as this? This prisoner status of Husayn 'Ali Nuri is so much ahistorical horse-manure Baha'i hagiographies have milked for every penny. The fact is he spent no more than a few months in Acre prison, and that because he ordered the assassination of Seyyed Muhammad Isfahani and the other Azali Babis that the Ottomans had made to accompany him to Palestine, vali shoma hay naneh man gharibam bazi dar beeyaareed.

They simply could not contain the interest of the masses; the Mullahs
simply feared the spread of the new religion;s influence, as they do
today.

Give us a break! What do the mullahs have to fear from the youth in Iran when faced with an organization that espouses such rubbish as bad as their own:

"We don't want to be like those people
who want to see God with their own eyes, or hear His melody with their
own ears, because we have been given the gift of being able to see
through the eyes of the House of Justice and listen through the ears of
the House of Justice
." - Bahai Counselor Rebeque Murphy

or this.

  Whether
the Bahai Faith is flawed or not; whether  Baha'u'llah made false claims
or not, the greatest proof is the spread of His faith far beyond the
borders of Iran to becoming an International community the most united
body of diverse races in the world,

Argument by diffusion, an old Bahai argumentative fallacy. Sai Baba's cult also has spread beyond India, claims some 13-14 million adherents of diverse background (more than yours), as does the Church of Scientology. These are not proofs. It is also the worst kind of circular reasoning imaginable what you are saying here. None of these are proofs for the final truth of anything.

We shall see what fate I meet. I am still alive, kicking and  in good health and giving your entire organization a serious run for its money as one single individual against your apparently 6 million strong adherents worldwide (more like 1, maybe less). Of course, as in the past, it is quite possible that a similar fate awaits me that met Siyyid Muhammad Isfahani and all those other Azali Babis the Baha'i Hezbollah had murdered. You people are capable of violence and I have had first hand experience of it from your lot in the past, and judging from your utterly ravaanee behavior, it would not surprise me if you folks were to try something again.

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May we be amongst those who are to bring about the transfiguration of the Earth - Zoroastrian prayer


Dariush A

faryarm

by Dariush A on

See, you did it again, you wrote,

Baha'ullah was sent to exile, because just like the Bab before Him, any prison they could send Him like Chihriq or Maku, would soon become the destination for thousands of believers; even the prison guards would soon become believers....

They simply could not contain the interest of the masses; the Mullahs simply feared the spread of the new religion;s influence, as they do today.

Your lies are growing larger and larger.  If as you said, Baha'i faith was so popular that even prison guards would soon become believers, then what has stopped the interest of the masses, that after 160 years there are only 5 million Baha'Is in the world?  How do you call that fastest growing after Christianity?

Here is some information on fastest growing religions.

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claims_to_be_the_fastest-growing_religion

If you look, even Sikhism is growing faster than Baha'i faith and Islam is second.  You are really making your faith look bad with all these lies.  I am beginning to feel bad for Bab.


faryarm

Thank you,I stand by all my comments from 1996 to now :)

by faryarm on

Thank you Dariush A.

Please do not quote out of context; The letter you are referring to simply implies that former holy scriptures, like the gospels, as well as older scriptures, although true,they are not as reliable, since they were gathering of recollections, written down much later in time.

Luckily, The Bahai Writings were all actually written in the hand of Baha'ulah, who Bahais believe is the latest but not the last recipient from the the same Divine Source of Knowledge.

I firmly believe and stand by all my beliefs and comments on this forum from 1996 to now, Unaided by any kind of "substance" !

Please ask the same from your dynamic mentor if you can trace all his name changes, and internet ID history.

 


faryarm

Dariush A. This is Acceptance...

by faryarm on

Dariush A. 

I will not call you "Bacheh", but will give you a simplistic answer a child could understand.

1. Bahais clearly have a choice, they can not and dont inherit their fathers religion.

2. Baha'u'llah was sent to exile, because just like the Bab before Him, any prison they could send Him like Chihriq or Maku, would soon become the destination for thousands of believers; even the prison guards would soon become believers....

They simply could not contain the interest of the masses; the Mullahs simply feared the spread of the new religion;s influence, as they do today. 

Dariush ,

have you not heard? you will not as long as you read what you want to hear, as opposed to what is true..judging by who is influencing  you.

3. The reason Baha'u'llah was sent into exile is the same reason the Mullahs fear the spread of Bahais today. They knew full well, that the teachings of Baha'ullah for the new age would attract millions, as it has today all over the world and wold end their brutal reign, as it seems to be doing today.

Look into history, 

Please read about  Muhammad Shah's most respected Emissary (Siyyid Yahya Darabi, later known as Vahid //ahang.rabbani.googlepages.com/ ) as well as  Muhammad Shah Qajar's invitation to meet the Bab. Find out who thwarted such meeting  diverting  the Bab to Chihriq Prison, when The Shah had sent a personal escort to bring the Bab to Tehran as his guest.

Find out what happened to the Muhammad Shah Qajar's most trusted religious advisor in the royal court, who was sent to investigate the Bab.

Find out, about  the many Islamic scholars who became Bahais, in answwer to your doubts about acceptance by Muslims.

It is easy to find out why "the ottomans and others put him in jail"

In short, His enemies(namely Azal and cohorts)  misrepresented the aims of Baha'u'llah , and poisoned the mind of the Sultan  to think that The Bahais are planning a rebellion against him.  As a result Baha'u'llah and his family were sent to AKKA to die in 1868.

My version of acceptance is this:

A. Despite the efforts of two powerful Kings and empires to exile, imprisonment, persecution and the subsequent death of Baha'u'llah, the Bahai Faith has survived in Iran, its peaceful message has captured the hearts of millions around the world,  from every race and nation, its literature translated to over 80 languages.

B.

Currently there are Bahá'í communities in every country in the world except the Vatican. This makes the Bahá'í Faith the second most widely spread religion in the world, after Christianity; a statement that is supported by authoritative publications such as the Britannica Book of the Year(1) and the World Christian Encyclopedia.(2) Organized Bahá'í communities exist in most countries, except where persecution and official prohibition of the Bahá'í Faith make this impossible.  

As a whole, the Bahá'í Faith has been rapidly increasing in numbers. In the early 1950s, there were probably some 200,000 Bahá'ís in the world. This had increased to about one million by the late 1960s, about 4.5 million by the late 1980s, and over 5 million by the mid-1990s. Something of the impact of this tremendous rate of growth in recent years can be gleaned from the fact that as recently as the early 1950s, over 90% of all the Bahá'ís of the world were Iranians. Now Iranians constitute only about 6% of the world Bahá'í population.  

Dariush Khan,

With respect, This is the widely accepted "version of acceptance".

In conclusion, Whether the Bahai Faith is flawed or not; whether  Baha'u'llah made false claims or not, the greatest proof is the spread of His faith far beyond the borders of Iran to becoming an International community the most united body of diverse races in the world,  with NGO  status at the United Nations ,  not to mention the steadfast loyal devotion of His followers who have held fast to their principles; all in spite of the miserable failed efforts of its enemies to agitate and try to divide; like its modern example Nima Hazini/Wahid AZAL/ARYANA etc etc, who is undoubtedly facing the same fate.

 

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahá'%C3%AD_Faith_by_country 


Dariush A

Aryana

by Dariush A on

I believe you and know exactly where you are coming from. There is nothing like it.

This is not something that shepesh can comprehend.


Dariush A

thexmaster

by Dariush A on

I said, take your swim goggle off so you can read the comments.

I asked for Jews contribution to Iran and Iranian society in the past 5,000 years, not to Israel, US an Europe's society. If that was the case, then you have left out a few million Jews in your list. 

What a moron you are.

 


Dariush A

faryarm

by Dariush A on

Did you read this part of Aryana's posting?

In a letter dated 22 June 1943, written on behalf of the Guardian to an individual, we read:
In the Bahá'í teachings it states that all the Prophets have foretold a Promised One Who is Bahá'u'lláh. We cannot be sure of the authenticity, word for word, of any of the past Holy Scriptures except the Qur'án

 


Aryana-Vaeja

Thought you'd never ask.

by Aryana-Vaeja on

Thought you'd never ask. Here you go.

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May we be amongst those who are to bring about the transfiguration of the Earth - Zoroastrian prayer


Dariush A

faryarm

by Dariush A on

Bache jaan, that was a sarcasm when I said, no one accepted but Baha'ullah himself.  Of course, the Baha'is accepted, they had no other choice and they have been paying for it dearly,  but did the Muslims and others accepted? Of course not. If they had, Baha'ullah wouldn't be sent to exile and Bahaism wouldn't be where it is today, would it? If he was accepted, why the ottomans and others put him in jail too. is that your version of acceptance?  It is as simple as 2+2=4 

Then you speak of fanatics?

Your faith is fundamentally flawed.  If you like it, you keep it.  But don't insult my intelligence with lies and false claims. 


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LOL

by Shepesh on

"I started experiencing some profound spiritual expansions (bast), or what the Sufis call fath (opening), starting in October 2002. In practical terms I had spent a couple of months previously doing a combined total of 6-7 hours of intense Kriya Yoga exercises a day combined with intense zekr."

I hope you feel refreshed. You forgot to mention your special potion from the South American jungles.


Aryana-Vaeja

Faryar

by Aryana-Vaeja on

You are being utterly ridiculous as is your UHJ. The authentication of a Zoroastrian text you are claiming is not in the purview or prerogative of your own religious body to authenticate, Baha'i position or not - whatever. That is, the UHJ is in no position to pass judgement on the veracity of the passage in the Denkart you claim exists, but doesn't, since the UHJ is not a Zoroastrian body and the 9 men of the UHJ are not Zoroastrian mobads. The authoritative (albeit incomplete) redactions of the Denkart have been codified, widely accepted by the Zoroastrian community for centuries, translated in numerous languages and discussed endlessly. The passage you claim simply does not exist in the text of the Denkart. You people have made it up. The UHJ can produce as many bureaucratic missives, clarifications and "guidances" as it likes until the cows come home. It does not change one iota of the fact that the passage you are claiming simply does not exist in the Denkart and, moreover, the UHJ is nobody to be pontificating on Zoroastrian texts anyway. 

Next we'll be hearing from the UHJ telling us about what the Buddha and Mahavira actually taught and how the Buddhists and Jains have it all wrong and should listen to the UHJ "channeling" their founders true teachings and their "covenant." Give us a break! The arrogance of you people simply does not cease to astound!!! I am  utterly speechless that you even continue now. Give it up, man, harfi nazani sangintare. Aberootoon raft keh raft!

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May we be amongst those who are to bring about the transfiguration of the Earth - Zoroastrian prayer


Aryana-Vaeja

Indeed. "A Light Illuminating from the Dawn of Pre-Eternity"

by Aryana-Vaeja on

Believe me, Dariush, I have been there myself. I started experiencing some profound spiritual expansions (bast), or what the Sufis call fath (opening), starting in October 2002. In practical terms I had spent a couple of months previously doing a combined total of 6-7 hours of intense Kriya Yoga exercises a day combined with intense zekr. This is why I myself have come to an even more radical conclusion than your own: There is no exclusively revealed religion by the Spirit as the only portal of salvation. In fact there is no such thing as unique salvation at all other than a personal one which involves the actual self-realization of the Spirit through inner ma'arifat (gnosis). Instead there are many portals to the Spirit all of them both valid and invalid simultaneously. This is the mystery. As such all the so-called revealed exoteric religions are utterly false  when taken literally (which then makes the whole approach of shar'ia/mitzva/law-oriented religion and organization a prison), but true as to where they might ultimately lead if taken symbolically. Unfortunately on the Way over There some folks can often get trapped in various waystations (manazil) and actually come to believe that they are occupying the highest summits of realization when they actually aren't. Believe it or not, though, for all my own esoteric religious syncretism, one of the anchors of my own process throughout all these years has been the hadith al-haqiqa or hadith kumayl, i.e. the purported dialogue about the nature of Ultimate Reality which is said to have occured between Imam 'Ali and Kumayl ibn Ziyad al-Nakhai (but which many now consider to be apocryphal with an earlier Christian Syriac source). Here is my translation of it:

Kumayl: O Commander of the Faithful, what is Ultimate Reality?

Ali: What have you and Ultimate Reality to do with each other?

Kumayl: Is it not the case that I am sharing your secrets as a companion?

Ali: Yes, indeed, but that which billows unto you is billowing through me unto you.

Kumayl: So what is Ultimate Reality?

Ali: The Disclosure of the Majesties of Glorification without indication.

Kumayl: Tell me more.

Ali: The apophatic negation of all speculation and the realization of that which can be realized.

Kumayl: Please explain further.

Ali: The nullificative annihilation of the secret by the victorious rending of the veil off the mystery of the secret.

Kumayl: Tell me more.

Ali: The attraction of the Divine Oneness by the attributive apprehension of the Divine Unicity.

Kumayl: Please explain further.

Ali: A Light Illuminating from the Dawn of Pre-Eternity and shedding its traces upon the Talismanic-Temples of Unicity.

Kumayl: Please tell me more.

Ali: Extinguish the lamp for the Dawn hath indeed arisen! 

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May we be amongst those who are to bring about the transfiguration of the Earth - Zoroastrian prayer


faryarm

Bahai Position on authenticity of Zoroastrian Prophecy...

by faryarm on

Much to Nima Hazini/Wahid Azal/Aryana's disappointment,

There is indeed an official Bahai opinion on the Dinkard Prophecy, which undoutedly will expose Wahid Azal's dishonest effort to defame Bahais as he likes to do..

The quote,is readily available and quoted  on many non Bahai  Zoroastrian related sites.

Here is the official Bahai opinion of this quote, which is transparent in its judgement and therefore not as described by Nima Hazini/Wahid Azal/ ARYANA.

it is from Bahai World Centre's  Research Department, where they can examine authenticity of texts.

Here is their response:



M E M O R A N D U M

To: Universal House of Justice
From: Research Department
Date: 27 March 1999

A Quotation in All Things Made New

The Research Department has studied the email message of 7 January 1999 to the Universal House of Justice from Mr. xxxx. Mr. xxxx states that he recently found on a Bahá'í Web site a quotation from the Hand of the Cause of God John Ferraby's All Things Made New.1 The source of the quotation is given as "Dínkird", which he takes to be the same as "Denkard" or "Dinkard", that is, a "Zoroastrian encyclopedia of the 9th century, A.D., rather than a work of Zoroaster". He has tried to find this quotation in a Web version of the 1896 translation of the Denkard but has not found anything resembling it. He asks whether the Research Department is aware of "any Zoroastrian text identical to or similar to" the quotation in question. As he has been unable to gain access to a copy of Mr. Ferraby's book, he also asks whether the quotation appears in all of the editions. 

Source of the Quotation in All Things Made New 

The text in question is the following:
When a thousand two hundred and some years have passed from the inception of the religion of the Arabian and the overthrow of the Kingdom of Irán and the degradation of the followers of My religion, a descendant of the Iranian kings will be raised up as a prophet.2

As Mr. xxxx is aware, the only source provided for this quotation in All Things Made New is "Dinkird",3 which is translated as "Acts of the Religion". He is correct that the Denkard is a 9th century compilation of the preserved Zoroastrian scriptural materials, and summaries and commentaries on the contents of the Avesta. It is written in Middle Persian using the Pahlavi script. With regard to his comment that, in the Web version, the first 65 chapters of Book III were missing, we note that according to the Encyclopedia Iranica, the Denkard was originally divided into nine volumes of unequal importance, but the first two and the beginning of the third have been lost.4 The Research Department has neither the time nor the resources to attempt to identify the specific text in the Denkard which is the source of the quotation in question. This is a project for future Bahá'í scholars. However, it is interesting to note that in Muhammad Nátiq's Al-Munázarátu'd-Díníyyah, there are quoted two passages which, if combined, appear to provide a similar text.5 These two passages are referenced to the Denkard, but unfortunately no additional identifying information is provided (see photocopy of the relevant page attached). 

Regarding whether the quotation in question appears in all of the editions of Mr. Ferraby's book, it does appear in each of the three editions, as follows:
First Edition, 1957, page 171. 
Revised Edition, 1975, page 171. 
Second Revised Edition, 1987, page 174.

Authenticity of Zoroastrian Scripture 

As Mr. xxxx suggests, we do not consider authoritative the Zoroastrian scripture to which we have access today. In a letter dated 22 June 1943, written on behalf of the Guardian to an individual, we read:
In the Bahá'í teachings it states that all the Prophets have foretold a Promised One Who is Bahá'u'lláh. We cannot be sure of the authenticity, word for word, of any of the past Holy Scriptures except the Qur'án, as they were either not written down during the Prophet's lifetime or have been changed in the course of time and the originals lost; what we can be sure of is that when Bahá'u'lláh or the Master stated that Zoroaster foretold a Promised One's coming, it is correct. The Zoroastrians have no way of contradicting this assertion, as they themselves know their scriptures are not in the original form, and therefore not absolutely authentic.

According to scholars of the subject, of all the Zoroastrian scripture presently known, only the Gathas, 17 hymns which have been preserved in the ancient language spoken by Zoroaster, are attributable to Him. 

//bahai-library.com/uhj/dinkird.zoroastrianism.html 


Dariush A

Aryana

by Dariush A on

I just read the Wikipedia of Fazlallah Astarabadi. It was very interesting.  Yet another proof.  Not everyone can experience such a high level of spirituality and maintain his/her sanity.


Aryana-Vaeja

The Bahai Technique - Caution Non-Bahais

by Aryana-Vaeja on

//www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/technique.htm

"Slanderous Vilification" = The Baha'i Technique - Ad Hominem, Libel, Slander,
Demonize, Scapegoat, Ostracize, Shun, Banish, Backbite,  Defame,
Vilify,
Discredit, Smear, Revile, Suppress, Attack, Bully, Intimidate,
Threaten,
Malign, Blackball, Deceive, Coerce, Silence, Harass... etc.,
etc.... 
CAUTION NON-BAHAIS
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Numerous observers have noted common methods many
fundamentalists use to avoid various  issues or discredit people who hold
opinions other than their own:
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Shoot the Messenger, Character Assassination, ETC
//www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Shoot%20the%20Messenger.htm


"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from
religious conviction." Pascal, Penses #894.


"Unmeasured vituperation employed on the side of the prevailing opinion really
does deter people from professing contrary opinions and from listening to those
who profess them." --John Stuart Mill, On Liberty (51-52).

Compare Baha'i tactics to the
communist cadre
or The
Modern Inquisition of Catholicism
.

See also,  S.G. Wilson BAHAISM AND RELIGIOUS DECEPTION The Muslim World, Volume 5, Issue 2, 1914-1915. 

&

Bahai CULT FAQ


faryarm

Dariush A.

by faryarm on

you say 

"Yes, they all believe in the coming of one, but none accepted Baha'ullah as being the one. Except the Baha'ullah himself." ???

  Dariush , So The Bahais in India of Muslim, Hindu and Buddhist Backgrounds, the Iranian Bahais of Zoroastrians , Jewish and Muslim Background "none accepted Baha'u'llah"??   What about The Bahais of Catholic and protestant background in Europe and South America?   What about the Bahais of Native American backgorund in North America, who belive in the coming prophet from the East?     What about the numerous clergy from all these religions who gave up their social and professional status, not to mention their livelihood to accept Baha'u''llah as fulfillment of their beliefs.   In your opinion then who are the Bahais in the world, where did they come from?    One more thing, how did the Prophets of the past proclaim themselves?    Dariush,  Please apply some logic and knowledge to your responses...    

faryarm

History & Credibility of Sworn Enemies of Bahais.

by faryarm on

Nima Hazini/ Wahid Azal/Nur/Aryana

Nima Hazini and his subsequent name change to Wahid Azal, his estrangement and subsequently imminent expulsion from The Bahai community ( as well as family and friends) in the 1990s as a result disqualify him as any kind of a reasonable, unbiased commentator on any Bahai or the Bahai Faith, but rather as a sworn enemy of the Bahai Faith.

Statements such as  

"the Baha'is have also gone out of their way to fabricate or exagerrate human rights violations in Iran with Western human rights groups in order to maintain some bloated sense of relevence..."

"it appears that the rulers of the Islamic Republic of Iran have actually gone out of their way to accomodate the Baha'is inside Iran. Baha'is have been left relatively unmolested ...." 

from

//wahidazal.blogspot.com/  

are perfect illustrations of  dishonesty, lack of judgment and personal agenda, behind his every hate filled response.

Indeed the disgraceful record here , under several subsequently banned names, of NUR, AZAL, ZULFIQAR110, and now Aryana, paint a consistent picture of a deeply bitter character consumed with hate for Bahais with the need for attention , intent on a crusade of frequent character assassination.

With regard to the comment about Dr Yarshater; He was not “excommunicated” as you put it, but at the time for reasons that had solely due to the conditions of the time had his voting rights removed.

As both a friend and relative of Dr Yarshater, who has on several occasions interviewed him on his life and works for various broadcast entities, it is abundantly clear to his family and friends, as it is to the Bahai Community, that He has never attacked nor recanted the Bahai faith; rather as in his address to the 3000 people attendants, yesterday at the Bahai sponsored conference “Friends of Persian Art and Culture” in Chicago, he spoke of his respect , and in defense of the immense Bahai contribution in the last 150 year history of Iran, as documented in the Encyclopedia Iranica. 

   


thexmaster

Dariush

by thexmaster on

The hospital is for everyone, regardless of religion or ethnicity and it's the largest minority charity in Iran:

 

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Sapir_Hospital_an...

 

You probably believed there were no recent contributions by jews, so you confidently gave the permission to go as far back as possible.   But the fact that there is a current jewish contribution must have hit at the very core of your ignorance.  Of course, you try to down play it and make any excuse possible to defend your bigotry and pre-conceptions.

And how hard did you search for jewish persian contributors?  Just took a simple 2 minute search for me:

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews#Notable_...

 

Before modern era

 

Science and academia

 

[edit] Business and finance

 

[edit] Art and entertainment

 

Contributions to Iran and the world.  Not to mention non-persian jews like Einstein.

 

But continue with your dream of this warped Utopian society.  And what is 'basic rights'?

 

 


Aryana-Vaeja

IC Bahais

by Aryana-Vaeja on

In any court in the world the concealing or manufacturing of evidence is considered to be a crime. Here the IC Baha'is have fabricated an entire passage from the late Zoroastrian text the Denkart. When they have been caught out  in their lie they have  attempted to conceal the evidence of such act by having my message flagged and so removed from the evidence of public record. This pattern of deceit has been with the Baha'is since the 1860s and it is precisely how Mirza Husayn 'Ali Nuri behaved vis-a-vis Subh-i-Azal (the true successor of the Bab) and his supporters. I trust the conscientious IC community has realized this deplorable spectacle for what it is (i.e. pure deceit) and so in the future acts accordingly. If these people are willingly to lie so brazenly and openly about something harmless, what else have they lied about that is much bigger?

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May we be amongst those who are to bring about the transfiguration of the Earth - Zoroastrian prayer