Misc

To Raoul1955, MM and Hamsade Ghadimi

Raoul, Cheers! Good to know that we're on a similar page...You ought to give yourself a non-religious name. Wink!

MM Many thanks for the links.

And Hamsade Ghadimi thank you for taking the time to explain...

Stoning anti Iranian and

so on.

• Stoning is wrong no matter how you look at it.
• The movies and noise in the West are most definitely anti IRI propaganda. The West could not care less about Iranian women. But they do want to get political mileage.
• Stoning is not an Iranian traditions. It is Islamic (We prefer other nasty punishments like blinding see Rostam Farrkhzad & Queen Azadmidokht). 
• There may be a moratorium but that is not good enough. We got to ditch Sharia and all its laws. Only the law of democratically elected governments are legitimate. Not rules brought by a self proclaimed prophet. 

No matter how you look at this IRI is wrong. The west is trying to milk it. The problem is that West is very hypocritical. Therefore we should look at this problem in its own right. I don't care what the West says! Stoning is wrong period.

A moratorium is BS. We need to repeal all Stoning and then all death penalty.

Marjan / ISK

ISK,

Marjan,

Apparently, there is a moratorium on stoning in Iran by several reports, but it may be a delaying tactic to have the law in the books while deterring international criticism (See, WFAFI report). 

WIKI:

Iran to scrap death by stoning: //afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iZ7aTbPW-vzYtgdxmx1O5Iok-CMQ 

Iran Parliament Plans to End Stoning: //www.takepart.com/news/2009/06/23/iran-parliament-plans-to-end-stoning   

Telegraph:

Iran suspends execution by stoning – “Iran has placed a new moratorium on the execution of people by stoning, the country's judiciary has announced.”

“Last year, however, a man was stoned to death in western Iran, prompting fears that the punishment would again be regularly carried out.”   

Washington Post:

Stoning Sentences Carried Out in Iran Despite Moratorium ...

“TEHRAN, Jan. 13 -- Two men convicted of adultery in the northeastern city of Mashhad were stoned to death in December, but a third convicted man escaped while the punishment was being carried out, a spokesman for Iran's judiciary said Tuesday.”   

BBC:

Nine face stoning death in Iran despite stoning moratorium. “In 2002 Iranian judiciary chief Ayatollah Mahmoud Hashemi Shahroudi imposed a moratorium on stoning, but at least three people are reported to have been executed by stoning since then.”   

WFAFI:

STONING CONTINUES IN IRAN UNABATEDLY. “Despite the regime's claim to have called for a moratorium on stoning, nothing has been done to remove the item on stoning in the so-called Islamic Punishment Act. Nor has there been any call by officials for a moratorium on stoning.  The state-run daily, Bahar, on January 8, 2003, wrote that the reports about moratorium was only a rumor and that until it becomes law and confirmed by judicial authorities, it did not mean anything. It added: "When something is in the law and a practical punishment is specified, the courts have no choice but to enforce the law and at the moment, by the order of the authorities, the judges have no right to stop enforcement of the law."”

According to WFAFI, Khamenei has the authority to put a stop on stonings by a decree, but it may be delaying tactics, employed by IRI, to delay the implementation of the moratorium into law while calming the international pressure. 

marjan

this article states that the 'juidicial commission of majlis' (akin to a congressional subcommittee) has agreed to take off stoning off the books.  the process is that their decision is put to vote in the full session of 'majlis' followed by its ratification by the 'assembly of experts' (majlis khobregan) also known as majlis moftkhoran.  the article is published on 4 farvardin, 1388 (about 27 march, 2009).  therefore, mm's assertion about june, 2009 sounds on the mark.

most news on stoning in iranian media is about the 'fake' movie of 'story of soraya m.'  this article mentions it as well that the movie will be premiering in the u.s. in the coming week (of the time, meaning in march, 2009).  therefore, they were panicking and trying to take it off the books before the showing of the movie.

To 'Marjan'

What you have stated is pretty well written and I agree with the content.  Having said that I just wanted to simplify my thoughts and make them 'digestable' to all readers.  LOL
I do enjoy reading your posted material.
Thank you for the meanings of names. :-)
Cheers,
Sean

isk

or may be the persians are altering power relations?

Peace

Hamsade Ghadimi Thank you very much

Thank you very much. Just one thing though, that article is a fewmonths before June 2009 mentioned by MM.

Am I reading the Persian incorrectly? (I'm afraid it isn't very good except in specific subjects.)

Thank you again

Marjan

marjan

with regard to mm's quote about banning of stoning in iran:

here's an article (in persian) from march, 2009:

//www.irna.ir/View/FullStory/?NewsId=557572

as he indicated, the practice still goes on as we're exposed to its news from time to time.

To MM Question

Not to want to waste your time, I googled the sentences you had in quotes and I gather that they came from Wikipedia, is that right?

Whilst a great source for guidance, I'd just like to make sure that this really is true.

Do you happen to know of  another source to confirm this? I'm sure this would help...

Thanks

this has nothing to do with Arabs or Islam

If it did, why don't we hear of movies being made or international condemnation of Saudi Arabia's systematic use of :cutting limbs of thieves, stoning of adulterers, and head chopping of murderers and numerous other human rights violations...

It is simply because Saudi Arabia has a strategic relationship with the United States and Nato allies...

Saudi Arabia is the most repressive land both government and people.

Yet once again, Arabs have outsmarted Persians by forming alliances with those in power...while Persians in the past through arrogance and today through poor foreign policy continue to be looked upon in a negative light

Barbaric Arab Cult of Islam & stoning Iranians in 21st century

How do the brain washed followers of IRI explain this barbarity? Just because they are following the charlatan mohamd's orders is not enough.

//www.nowpublic.com/world/stoning-alleged-adu...

Yes, DK

"Queen she was, then only Princess, but Legend she certainly became."

She was lucky, I suppose. The Shah was generous, too.  Otherwise, in 2010 IRI she would've been stoned.

Rea Jaan Here you are ;0)

My article (First Published in IC Publications The Middle East Magazine 01-APR-07) and reproduced here for payvand.

Stardust Memories...: Princess Soraya's Hollywood Temptations by Darius KADIVAR

Pasted the link all over

let truth be known.

DK, the other Soraya, "la princesse aux yeux tristes" should not be forgotten either.  Was she not sent away because she hadn't been able to "deliver" ?

Mai 68 Slogan ...applicable to IRI ...

Mort Aux Cons ...

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht5l_CiZazI

Complete List of Mai 68 Slogans Here

IRI: so, everybody is lying

11 janvier 2009 - "Deux hommes ont été exécutés par lapidation et un troisième a réchappé à cette peine dans le nord-est de l'Iran fin décembre dernier....."

Except, of course, PressTV and bosnian.irib.ir (in my part of the world).

MM

that's great to hear. such a terrible custom though...

Peace

If it's from AFP then it's propaganda

No if buts or maybe. I don't deny these savages doing harm in different corners of the Islamic Republic of Iran, but that's another story.

BBC, AFP, DW are the worse propagandist compared to the rest.

IRI

Is this anti-IRI propaganda ?

Tehran, Jan 13, 2009 (AFP) - "As you saw in reports, there were three stonings carried out (end of Dec 2008) in Mashhad. They were convicted of adultery, that is an affair with a married woman," judiciary spokesman Ali Reza Jamshidi told reporters.

Immortal Guard I thought Mahmoud said Holocaust didnt Happen ?

So why are You Complaining ? ... LOL

HOLOCAUST A MYTH: Michelle Renouf on Iranian SAHAR TV  

Now if you are looking for evidence on the Russian Goulags why don't You Ask Your Russian Friends to send you documents ?

Iran 4 Nov 09 death to russia protest P8

While Your At it Add the Chinese Embassy to your list of contacts too for feedback on Mao's Cultural Revolution:

Tehran iran july 9th 2009 Part 2 - Death to China

MORALITY: Don't Wish to Others What You don't wish for Yourselves ! ...

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooool

the reported stonings in Iran are not western propaganda?

Due to internal and external pressures, the Iranian Judiciary placed a moritarium on stoning in 2002, but various judges still issue death by stoning verdicts. 

"Iran's judiciary decided in 2008 to fully scrap stoning from the books in a legislation submitted to parliament for approval. As of June 2009, Iran's parliament has been reviewing and revising the Islamic penal code to omit stoning as a form of punishment."

Stonings in Iran did happen, videos of Iranian stonings surface once in while in the internet and they are disgusting.

Best Quote Ever

"The reatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion"

- Sir Arthur C. Clarke (1917-2008)  

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IRAN FIRST

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Russian Gulags!!??

Any movies about the Gulags in Soviet Russia and the number of people that died in them?

Any movies of the scorch earth policy of the German army during WWII in Russia and Ukraine?

Any movies on the atrocities committed in Holocaust?

Any movies comparing the general situation of women in Iran compared to those in Saudi Arabia?

Any movies about whether the Rwandan genocide was perpetrated by Muslims as well?

......

This is all part of a vast and well-orchestrated psychological warfare against an Iranian minority that controls the levers of power in Iran who won't be affected the least by it. Those who stand to suffer the most by such shockumentaries are the ordinary Iranian majority inside and outside Iran; particularly those living outside Iran who have to constantly deal with these negative stereotypes.

That's what happens when the number of people admitted into social science departments at universities is not controlled!

NOT the same

All Islamists pay close attention:

Anti-Islamic regime is PRO-Iran.

Because you people are anti-nationalist ignorant  thugs.

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IRAN FIRST

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oooooooohhhhhh

abu Mehrdad....you got me man...I'm a "Zionist" agent on IC...:-))

Anti Iran propaganda

Nothing less expected.

OnlyIran:

A lot of [BS] words spewed out here but one thing you got right and that is that I am a [couch] anti-Zionist and pretty proud of it.

Now one wonders why you care so much about one being anti-Zionist or not if your only concern is "ONLY IRAN" or could it be just a hypocrite slogan?

Mehrdad

So Stoning Soraya M. was Not a Fiction After All ?

Recommended Readings:

 

On Fereidoune Sahabjam:

Bells Toll for Sahebjam by Darius KADIVAR

A DIRECTOR'S CUT: Hollywood Director Cyrus Nowrasteh Brings Fereidoune Sahabjam's Best Selling Novel To The Screen by DK

An Interview with Cyrus Nowrasteh by Darius KADIVAR and Shabnam REZAEI (PersianMirror)

Nailing the Script: Hollywood Screenwriter Cyrus Nowrasteh's new challenges by Darius KADIVAR

Mona's Dream by Darius KADIVAR

Bavafa

It's all the work of "Zionists".  What happens is that they come to Iran, kidnap women, stone them and return safe and sound to Israel.  Just like they did with Neda Agha Soltan.  They came to Iran carrying high powered rifles, shot the woman in broad daylight on the street and disappeared before the great God sent IRI was able to bring them to justice.

It all makes sense.  A [couch] anti-Zionist warrior like you should have no problems putting 2 & 2 together.   

There is only one word for it and that is barbaric

If I understand it correctly, it takes place far less in Iran then other fanatic Muslim countries like Pakistan and SA, nevertheless, it is barbaric and MUST be condemned no matter where or who. And for those who are behind this policy, they must not be killed for this crime as that is too quick and easy. I propose some thing that involves a "choobe neem-soz"

Mehrdad