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Dariush, my buddy ...

Real changes need time to become permanent. I am personally against any radical solutions which involves violence. I am Anti revolutionary and believe that the gap between governments and people should be reduced gradually, rather than flipping a coin and see what we end up after violently toppling the current regime.

Having said that, Ahmadinejad has laid the ground foundation for a better and gradual transformation of our entire politics. For example;

- Encouraging debates about all issues among different factions

- Political roundtable among leaders of different faction which are aired on national TV

- Distroying the public image of corrupt politicians who hold excessive powers

- Eliminating religious personalities without proper qualifications from ministeries. Hiring university graduates to take over.

- Allowing VF to be openly discussed and debated ( tastefully ).

- Allowing the full media coverage of all prisoners and the outcome of their trial. in the past, political prisoners were not allowed to be discussed in national media and they disappeared with no trace.

And so many other examples and taboos which Ahmadinejad has broken , will only make it easier for our people to make Iran a better place.

Keep in mind that for us, Ahmadinejad is merely a tool. A person who we must support to prevent the same old dinosaurs for taking over Iran again. This was IR version 2.0.  Now the structure is laid for the next candidate. Choose wisely, we need taboo breakers. Iran must be re built from the ground up , gradually.

Even Qataris are smarter than Iranians

Compare the actions of the Qatari and Omani rulers with those in Iran.

Qatar is playing both sides of the aisle and has the highest per capita income.

It took 7 months for Libya to surrender to Switzerland, and Iran wants to take on US.

There are somethings in life that are irreversible: one is the military power of the US that can devastate any nations on the planet...and its position as the front runner in creativity and innovation: nuclear enery, internet...google...windows...apple

Just as the Battle of Qadisiyah was a turning point in the history of Iran and brought us centuries of badbakhti and sayings of a pedophile as divine commandments...

Some things happen once in a history and then its for life, just as the dinasaurs died and aren't coming back...and truth is that Iran will never even reach the US in freedom, innovation or military power and that is the basic and sad truth

The good part though is that atleast death is for sure and it will rid us of the humiliation and badbakhti that we have to see our country in

Doctor X,

i never claimed that my english is perfect , nor should it be since i am iranian. i sincerely didn't understand what another poster was saying. i offered him to write in Farsi instead, since i know his farsi skills are far superior and can easily explain his ideas which i am genuinely interested to findout. Thats all. You don't need to sweet over it.

"You made Huge blunder a while back on this thread and generalize the fact that the judiciary systems in ALL Countries in the world follow an independent path especially when it comes to making decisions on who is supposed to determine who will be the BOSS." Doctor X

If my english skills serves me right, you claim in the above statement that i have said the Judiciary has a part in decision making of who is supposed to determine who will be the boss. I would like you to point to any statement of mine in this thread which led you to believe that. I sincerely don't know what you are trying to say here. Excuse my lack of understanding and please explain.

"You should know that At least in US, The president has THE SOLE authority to make such a decision. He picks Supreme court Justices who have the top and final say in EVERY LEGAL MATTER. That means THEY RULE AND RUN THE JUDICIARY SYSTEM. "

So? Nothing wrong here. The president of US is following his rights granted to him by the US constitution.  In Iran, based on our constitution, this is the supreme leader responsibility ( due to the islamic nature of our laws ) to choose the head of judiciary. I still don't follow you, sorry.

"That does not necessarily hold true. The head of the system has the power and the authority to make absolutely huge impacts, If you have been paying attention at all, You would have easily noticed this simple fact."

No. i am dumbfounded by your claim again. Please elaborate on this "simple fact" which you claim and explain to me how our president in Iran can go beyond his rights granted by our constitution and affect the laws and the judiciary. 

"It takes a real simple-minded person to really think that the choice of who leads, has no bearing whatsoever on the Judicial process."

Unfortunately this seems like exactly whats the case in Iran. If you have been following our politics, you would have noticed that the Judiciary has a long history of embarressing our past and present presidents when they are visiting other countries with untimely executions and other harsh judgements. It takes a little more than a simple mind to understand the complex nature of our politics.

Ofcourse he's for swapping, Iran can't make medical isotopes

Obviously the guy know that Iran does not posses the tech. to manufacture medical isotope rods enriched at 20 % needed for medical nuclear energy.

They used to buy them from Argentina in the past. Even Russia gets the medical isotope rods from France.

They threatened over the past 15 years that if RUssia doesn't speed up, then they will finish Bushehr facility themselves. Lies! they can't do it.

They said that oil & gas exploration given to a Sepahi organ. LIES LIES. They doen't possess the technology. Do you really think if they did, they would open bidding to foreign firms? Hell no, they are trying to scare the West into thinking Sepah will become more powerful. By now, even the most naive politicians from Sweden can figure that one out.

They don't have the technology to do anything except enrich. That is like someone having some copper. Will that enable them autoatically to build an electric circuit with the copper. They don't know the ABC of nuclear technology, the way say Mr Rutherford or even the Pakistani scientist knew it. They are just trying to buy the pieces from here and there and assemble things in Iran and call it a national achievement.

Baba, varcheen boro dighe. Donya ra maskhare gerefti. Seriously, ego maniacs like AN and other exiles think the world revolves around Iran...far from it. Turkey's GDP is higher than Iran and it doesn't even have oil nor is a memeber of the EU yet.

Pakistan developed nuclear energy 10 years ago and we are still struggling.

We are only good at talking and yelling slogans and day dreaming!

I meant buddy!!

I meant buddy!!

No fear is my body and is

No fear is my body and is not feeding anything in anybody's throat. That is his opinion and that is his right.

one thing is for sure. If Ahmadinejad goes, chances of individuals like Jannati to take power is much more than Musavi and then the opposition will be even more sorry. So let us hope Ahmadinejad can try to bring some justice. 

He also has swore to uphold

He also has swore to uphold justice and freedom as well as the constitution as I heard.  Isn't the constitution about justice and freedom? 

Of course Rafsanjani, Larijani, Jannati and many others are the source of the problems. But if a president doesn't want to challenge these individuals, then why take the position?  What is more important internal problem to solve than the political prisoners issue?  We can blame the opposition for number of problems, but this is one thing that we cannot,  as they all have asked to put stop on executions, torture and etc and requested fair trials. 

If Ahmadinejad has nothing to do with what is happening, he should make a case against the individual who are committing crimes in his name. At least he has the backing of many in public and can use the backing of khamenei if still was there. By doing so he will gain even more public support. But being the president and knowing what is happening, and saying, he cannot, is unconstitutional and unjust.  The internal problems are just as important as the international problems. 

No fear

This may hurt you, But your english is not so spotless and perfect. So before you jump on someone else's case and accuse them not making any sense and this mumbo jumbo you always use that "you lack clarity" and "logical coherence" or "cohesive logical reasoning" think deeply about your own skills in writing logically, with a reasonable content and coherence. Of course, I know , I am sure, that you are using this as a tool to put down those who oppose your stance on some issues. Since you disagree with them, Everything and anything that they say deserves a "you lack clarity" thrown their way.

You made Huge blunder a while back on this thread and generalize the fact that the judiciary systems in ALL Countries in the world follow an independent path especially when it comes to making decisions on who is supposed to determine who will be the BOSS.

You should know that At least in US, The president has THE SOLE authority to make such a decision. He picks Supreme court Justices who have the top and final say in EVERY LEGAL MATTER. That means THEY RULE AND RUN THE JUDICIARY SYSTEM.

When the Judiciary of any country is refered to as dependent or independent, it is in relation to whether any internal or external political pressure can deviate or affect the process of passing judgement based on judiciary ( Islamic in Iran ) and constitutional laws.. This has NOTHING to do with whether the head of judiciary is elected or appointed. Why do you have difficulties understanding this?

That does not necessarily hold true. The head of the system has the power and the authority to make absolutely huge impacts, If you have been paying attention at all, You would have easily noticed this simple fact. It takes a real simple-minded person to really think that the choice of who leads, has no bearing whatsoever on the Judicial process.

Why do you insist on pushing lies and nonsense down everyone's throat??

Dariush,

Ahmadinejad has sworn to uphold the constitution, not to undermine it.

The duty of changing the constitutional laws relies on our Majlis and not our administration which Ahmadinejad is the head of it. The head of our Majlis is Larijani who is closely associated with rafsanjani. Aside from 44 majlis MPs , the rest are anti Ahmadinejad. Larijani's brother, Ayatollah Sadeq larijani, is the head of Judiciary in Iran. The head of the gaurdian council ( Janati ) which oversees the laws which are passed in the majlis is also Anti Ahmadinejad. The Expediency council which can overwrite laws and is basically above our constitution is also Anti Ahmadinejad ( Rafsanjani ). Ironically, all these heads of power houses in Iran are related or sympathetic to the green movement! And these are the dinosaurs who can easily affect and change the laws in Iran, not Ahmadinejad. Go Figure!

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دوست عزیز..............

من هم سعی کردم که این بحث رو تو چند تا سؤال ساده خلاصه کنم و جان کلام رو تو یک سؤال خلاصه کردم (٤) ولی شما زیرکانه سعی کردید به لپ مطلب (سؤال ٤ ) بی اعتنائی کنید!

اشکالی نداره، بعضی وقتها حذر کردن از یک موضوع خیلی بیشتر افشاء کننده ست تا بیانش!

برای فارسی نوشتن هم احتیاج به هیچ ابزار خاصّی نداری، من هم فانت فارسی ندارم! برو اینجا  //radiozamaaneh.org/tmp/edi/

شاید بزودی یک بلاگ رو به این اختصاص دادم که «در جمهوری اسلامی کی کیه!»

محض اطلاع............. تو جوامع متمدّن رئیس قوه قضائیه رو رئیس جمهور، شاه « یا ولی فقیه تو جوامع............» پیشنهاد میکنه و سوابق و کارائیهای اون آدم بررسی میشه! بعضی وقتها هفته ها و ماهها! همینجوری الکی یکی رو امروز منصوب نمیکنن و فردا معزول!

No fear

Are you saying the problem is The constitution?  perhaps.  

Most countries try to keep Judiciary system independent to provide justice without prejudice and prevent misuse. Now, If this system was influenced and misused as it has in Iran, it is no longer a just judiciary system and it becomes anyone's and most of all the president's moral and legal duty to challenge and correct it for the sake of people and country.  Perhaps you can find the points I am making in his oath of office.  What I wrote is not an anti Ahmadinejad comments as I am a supporter of his foreign policies and some of his domestic policies. This is not about Mousavi VS Ahmadinejad. This is about doing what is right.  This is about justice.  There should be no torture and execution of political prisoners.  Once a political activist killed or injured another soul, then that is no longer political, it is criminal and punishable by a just court, but still no need to torture, rape and etc and in most cased no execution. 

Ahmadinejad travels thousands of miles to visit many states and cities which is great, he should be able to travel a few mile to see if any innocent is being jailed, tortured or else in prisons. If Imam Ali couldn't sleep at night thinking someone might go to bed hungry, I would think his followers shouldn't be able to sleep at night thinking an innocent might be jailed or tortured while he is the president.

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCPiVPilvBM

As for the velayateh faghih. It is self explanatory.  Guardian of faith. Not guardian of economics, science, technology or else and certainly not the guardian of a country.

Ari,

He is saying if this is done as a organized crime ( whether its a underground party with live music or a meeting among members of pyramid organizations ) a " Judge " must issue a sommon for them to go to court and explain themselves.

This means that a court order is necessary to enter in to private parts of peoples life ( read between the lines ).  Para military organizations can no longer enter peoples home without a court order. Obtaining court orders at two oclock in the morning , however, its another issue. What he is saying, benefits us all.

nofear 06:35

Ari,

He is specifically talking about Ansareh Hezbollah and their newly alliance with the group which Larijani ( Head of Majlis ) belongs to. They are harshly criticizing Ahmadinejad for his refusal to introduce the Monkerat bill.

How interesting that the green leaders were saying before the election that if Ahmadinejad wins the presidency, he will segregate the streets of tehran between sexes. one side for women and one side for men. LOL  I think we can all say that was a load of crap!

Saazmaan yaafteh!

Majid,

It is important in a debate to try to narrow down objectives rather than to keep expanding the issue or diverting it to broad and general topics. In this regard, i will ignore your #4 question since it will drag this debate forever and is irrelevent.

Once again, just to put things back on track and in to perspectives, the main issue of this debate is whether appointed judges can be independent or not. Please stay on this track for the sake of keeping both of us interested.

You argue that since a judge is appointed , it can not be independent in its rulings and judgements. And i disagree with you simply because many other democratic nations ( Like Canada and many European countries, including supreme judges in US? ) are all appointed and are not elected. Based on your arguement, all these countries have a serious problem with their Judiciary for appointing judges and are not independent.

This notion supports my arguement that dependency or independency in a Judiciary refers to the independence of laws and judgements from political developements or internal or external pressures. Justice is and should be blind , this points to the independent nature of justice system without whether the head of this department is appointed or not.

PS: i don't have farsi fonts on this PC.

psychopath

this man lies without hesitation.  He is a true psychopath.  Delusional too.  

 What is about to happen to him will be remembered in history. 

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some simple rules in side the HALGHE OOLAMA......

they say and believe in VF having the final say just like (god forbid a king) maybe like  king abdellah NO IF or BUT.

judishiyari in IRR (judiciary in English) actually applies to any person mastered fast enough to brinf AFTABEH for rahbar so basically their courts are like MOSTARAH and soraydar is the judge and sar-sorayedar is head of judishiyari OF COURSE  appointed and not ellected.    Maziar

اینهم به فارسی

بسیار خوب، اینهم به فارسی، امیدوارم جواب بفارسی هم بگیرم شاید مغز کند من بتونه جواب شما رو که حتماً  با دلیل و برهان هم هست رو هضم کنه!

١) عزل و نصب رئیس قوّه قضائیه تحت قانون اساسی جمهوری اسلامی بر چه مأخذ و مبنائیست؟

٢) رئیس قوه قضائیه تا چه حدّ (مستقل) میتونه عمل کنه؟

٣) اگر این استقلال تابع امر و نهی و رهنمود های ولی فقیه است پس کلمهء استقلال رو برای من کور باطن توضیح بده لطفاً!

٤) از اولین رئیس قوهء قضائیه (موسوی اردبیلی) تا امروز.......چند نفر در این منصب قرار گرفتن و چرا و بچه دلیل عوض شده اند؟ کهولت سن؟ استعفای اختیاری؟ مطابق نبودن افکار با شرایط روز و یا مصلحت های دیگر؟

درک چندتا سؤال به این سادگی و جواب معقول و محکمه پسند به اونها نباید کار شاقّی باشه!

Head of Judiciary in Iran

Ha ha ha ha, very funny, head of mortuary and trotury. Hilarious, torture puppet is there to dish justice.

Tell you what guys, after seeing this I would not lend AN any of my hard earned cash. You lend him 15 tomans and when you ask for it to be repaid, he possibly says, well of the money that you gave me, 5 tomans was fake, leaving 10 tomans. Of that 10 tomans, 3 tomans got lost, leaves 7 tomans of which another 4 tomans was stolen by a pick pocket. The remaining 3 tomans I gave to a beggar and asked him to say a prayer for your dead father.

akhay, che gha khandidam

thanks for posting this joker's comments again. i like how he basically says that people who enforce morality are not part of the government. so all these people fining men and women for all sorts of things on the streets don't work for government, so who do they work for?

Majid,

The first 2/3 of your reply lacks clarity and cohesive logical reasoning. I can't figure out what you are saying in the context of this thread. You may wish to write in persian.

"Being independent under Velaayat Faghih is just a tasteless joke"

When the Judiciary of any country is refered to as dependent or independent, it is in relation to whether any internal or external political pressure can deviate or affect the process of passing judgement based on judiciary ( Islamic in Iran ) and constitutional laws.. This has NOTHING to do with whether the head of judiciary is elected or appointed. Why do you have difficulties understanding this?

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The second one intends to be independent he is going to disappoint someone and there it goes the appointment!

In the past 31 years how many heads of judiciary we've had in Iran and where are they now? not all of them are retired are they?

Being independent under Velaayat Faghih is just a tasteless joke...LOL

I hope this addressed your overall confusion......:-)

Majid,

In Iran the head of judiciary is appointed rather than elected.

Being elected doesn't translate into being independent. You can be elected , but belong to a specific faction or school of thought , therefore be dependent. You can also be appointed but pass judgement strictly on islamic laws without any considerations to political factions or international pressure, therefore acting independently.

Just because certain terminologies rhyme together, doesn't mean they belong together. LOL

I hope this addressed your overall confusion.

WOW!!!!!

"The judiciary are independent institutes in almost all countries in the world."

"In Iran, the Judiciary's head is appointed by the supreme leader"

Appointed (Installed) yet independent ............:-)

The Judiciary is not in our president's right to interfere.

Dariush,

You might want to update yourself on Iran's political system. The justice system as you put it, is not under Ahmadinejad's control and it shouldn't be. The judiciary are independent institutes in almost all countries in the world.

In Iran, the Judiciary's head is appointed by the supreme leader , NOT the president. Ahmadinejad can not, (and should not) interfere with the judiciary. If he does, it would be a violation of our constitution. 

Mr. Ahmadinejad, If

Mr. Ahmadinejad, If government has nothing to do with it then who does? That is no excuse. Every government is responsible for it's actions.  If a government cannot face the challenges and solve the problems, then it has no business to be in power. You as a president should have taken charge of the justice system and bring justice.  Should you not as a president visit the prisons and see what is being done in your name. Should you not know why and how people are being tortured and executed under your watch. What is the point to defending Iranians international rights, when their internal rights are not respected.  Would you have said that government has nothing to do with it, if they were your brother or sister?

Mr. Ahmadinejad, with the amount of crimes and injustice committed If I were you, I wouldn't be so anxious to meet Imam Mehdi.

Do what is humane and right!

زندگی نامه

زندگی نامه محمود احمدی نژاد
چون او از دیگر برادرانش زیباتر بود، به او حسادت ورزیدند و او را به چاه
فاضلاب قم انداختند، کاهنان حوزه علمیه قم او را پیدا کرده و او اکنون عزیز
ایران است و نام مصری او ریدامون است

Better to live for just a single day as a ruler than to live for forty years as an abject slave

.B.K

Who is the chakhanest of us all?

Bichareh mellat-e Iran.  Is this what they deserve?  Surely not.

For those who have been wondering what the Green Movement is all about:  the Iranian nation were so fed up with this man's lies, they tried to oust him through elections.  The elections fraud has made them angry and indignant because they continue to think that this man does not represent them and does not deserves to be their president.

I would also like to make a personal observation:  despite the bravado and the positive talk, he looks deflated and defeated.  

lol- in his new interview:

قراداد با شركت‌ها داخلي خودمان فرياد بلند" ما مي‌توانيم" بود

رييس جمهور گفت: جلسه امروز و
اتفاقي كه امروز رخ داد يك فرياد بلند از عمق ملت ايران بود كه "ما
مي‌توانيم" و "بايد روي پاي خودمان بايستيم" و اين كه ما مي‌توانيم كارها
را خودمان انجام دهيم.

رييس‌جمهور افزود: كساني كه
فكر مي‌كنند ملت ايران به آن‌ها نياز دارد اشتباه مي‌كنند، زماني كه شما
در گيتي نبوديد نام ملت ايران مي‌درخشيد، زماني كه شما در غارهايتان زندگي
مي‌كرديد و نمي‌دانستيد كه چگونه از آب استفاده كنيد و خودتان را تميز
كنيد ملت ايران مكاتب پزشكي را به دنيا معرفي مي‌كرد.