Standing with Israel

A necessary alliance to ensure that Iran reaches democracy

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Standing with Israel
by mansours
14-Sep-2009
 

I knew that my article arguing for a debate about the merits of military action against Iran instead of a defamation campaign against those opposing war would cause a lot of hot emotions to come out ["Bombing Iran is the only path forward"]. But never did I expect the attacks I received from my fellow monarchists, both public and private attacks. What bewilders me is that many of them know that my line of thinking has a lot of support in our circles – even at the very top.

But instead of engaging in a debate, and discussing the crimes of the Islamic Republic and the manner in which groups like NIAC delay the arrival of democracy by opposing war, they chose to attack me. Interestingly, I wasn’t attacked by the pro-NIAC crowd in the same manner.

I now realize that the problem I face is a microcosm of what is taking place in the US as a whole. Extremists groups descend on Capitol Hill and call Obama Hitler instead of debating his truly horrific health plan. These extremists then claim to talk for all of us Republicans, and if the majority Republicans raises their voice, we get attacked and slandered.

The exact same phenomena can be found among Iranian monarchists. A few extremists are out there pretending to speak for us all, and if anyone from our own circles protest, he or she gets attacked. This way, the extremists manage to steal our agenda and control our movement.

But as I wrote in my earlier article ["Bombing Iran is the only path forward"], this is not the time to be silent. If the extremists in our circles win, we will once again lose the opportunity to bring real change to Iran.

Now more than ever, instead of attacking other groups, we should articulate why Obama’s diplomacy with Iran is so erroneous.

Now more than ever, we should explain to American politicians why new sanctions must be imposed on Iran, not to cripple, but to destroy. The Iranian economy is throughout sick. Whoever takes over Iran will be forced to destroy it before it can be rebuilt. That won’t be a popular project. Better to have the US destroy the Iranian economy now so that the government that will take over from the Sepah and the akhounds can focus on positive rebuilding.

Now is the time to explain exactly why the Iranian-American community should ally itself with AIPAC, instead of treating American Jews as embarrassing cousins from the dahat who we don’t want to associate with, even though it’s their power and influence that we need to liberate Iran.

Now is the time to discuss the number of people that will get killed over decades if the regime survives vs the number of people who will get killed in a few moments if we or the Israelis bomb Iran.

Now is the time to discuss why it is so dangerous if Ahmadinejad gets the bomb. It’s not just about Iran, it’s about democracy as a whole. If Ahmadinejad gets the bomb, it will be an existential threat to the only democracy in the Middle East, Israel. If the Israeli democracy collapses and Islamists take over, then not only wont Iran reach democracy – the entire region will be denied democracy. Standing with Israel against Iran has less to do with Israel and more to do with a necessary alliance to ensure that Iran reaches democracy.

The choice is simple – liberate Palestine or liberate Iran. If we ally with the tree huggers and socialists, Iran will remain a prison, but the Palestinians may get a deal. If we ally with the Israeli Right, the Palestinians will be screwed, but Iran will be liberated.

I don’t care what happens to the Palestinians. I am Iranian first, so my choice is clear. What is yours?

These are the debates we should have. And they should be initiated not by me but by Reza Pahlavi.

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OK now,

by KouroshS on

Time for you to go to bed.

Nighty night .

Oh, and do not even try to rate and evaluate someone else's writings when yours' leave a lot to be desired,

Sweet Nuclear dreams.


kharmagas

KouroshS

by kharmagas on

Read what you wrote, it makes even less sense than your usual writings.


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Kharmagas

by KouroshS on

Is that right?
That is really funny and if you really believe this... Let's just say you should have your own stand-up comedy show...

So Is is because US and Israel So afraid of The IRI and what weapons that they have now, that they refrain from committing such a crime anytime now, since we know they are very well capable of doing so?

 


kharmagas

deterrence (to KouroshS)

by kharmagas on

If nukes didn't create deterrence, U.S and Israel would not be so much against Iran having them. U.S and Israel don't want a nuke capable Iran so that they can attack Iran any time they want ..... they don't even want Iran to have any effective conventional weapons so that when/if they decide to attack they can destroy the country with minimal casualty....


Q

LOL! Anonymous8,

by Q on

Off topic discussions provide a welcome laugh break for all. No need to take it seriously. It looks like the score is 1-0.

idiots: 0
idioms: 1


Hajminator

KhouroshS jan

by Hajminator on

You're right, Iranians in their majority wish to change this archaic regime and they are paying the price for that. I think that we will succeed simply because Pasdarans and A.N. have shown all they could do in these past three months. Unlike Stalin who jailed and killed all his opponents, A.N. and other murderers begin to show some real signs of weakening. For example, they were unable to capture Moussavi and Karroubi as, they've reached the conclusion that doing so will precipitate their fall. In the other hand, people are showing that they are really determined to finish with this regime.
Attacking Iran will not only help the regime to restore balance but will also help them to find a justification for all their crimes. I fear that in this case we should just bury our hope to see these b@ out of Iran.


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Hajminator jan

by KouroshS on

I have seen and read this line so many zillion times , that god forbid in the event such an attack happens (Hello Irandokht and anaymous 8. do you see now that i am not pro war and pro-israeli?)

 

 those who oppose AN And Khamenie turn around and fight the war. But is that really true? Do we not agree that the majority want this regime overthrown? Are people crazy enough to risk their lives and go on streets and be jailed and tortured and... lose their lives... Only to show their sense of outrage and disgust for this regime, Only to turn around and go back to square number one and defend its existence? Would it not be the other way around?

PS. NOte to those who think I am advocating For Bombingiran. I DID CLEARLY SAY GOD FORBID IF AN ATTACK SHOULD HAPPEN. Now if you really can not see this and still holding on to your paranioa,,, You really need medical attention.

 

 


sobh

Mansours, What the Hell are you talking about?

by sobh on

 

mansours what are you talking about? Are you 4th grader or what?

What a silly article and more silly arguments!! Let's review your arguments (how silly they are):

Let's start with

"Now is the time to discuss the number of people that will get killed over decades if the regime survives vs. the number of people who will get killed in a few moments if we or the Israelis bomb Iran."

How do you know how many people will be killed " ... In few moments if we or Israelis bomb Iran"? Hmm let's look at Iraq, how many people you think Saddam was killing every year? Lets say 10,000, how many were killed (directly or in-directly) through "few moments" of bombing since 2003? about 1,000,000.

Now let's do the math, it would take Saddam to kill so many (let alone the internally displaced 4 Million and 4 million refugees) 100 years!!

Why we don't start with our allies and friends, for example Saudis and Egypt or maybe Jordan. Are they democratic countries? Why we don't say anything to them? Think about it.

You are a perfect example of lack of self confidence!! And dependency to others!

You are not ready to pay for freedom, you think Americans or Israelis will bring it to you for free! What a dangerous thought!

People like you are as dangerous as Ahmadinejad and the IR system to Iran.

What do you want to do next time when we have political problem in Iran, ask Americans or Israelis to bomb Iran again? You think all we need to do is to topple IRI? What a childish thought! After IRI, the real job begins, you think there will be no ups and downs? And each time you will call you friends (AIPAC) to bomb Iran? Hmm, you better write about other subjects and leave Politics for more mature people.


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Farhad kashani

by KouroshS on

You see, My friend.

Our buddy hamvatnns are not interested in hearing why those who disagree with them do so. They don't care how you explain it to them, They either stop after reading the headline, Or they read the first few lines, and that does it for them, right there and then they are absolutely convinced that you are "Defenitely" arguing in favor of the most lethal and ruthless military strike.

That is the beast of a logic that we are facing here.


Hajminator

This blog is a joke

by Hajminator on

The pseudo-author expects a debate on a dead-end solution, but like his first article after laying his sh## he's hiding behind his computer!
To shishliks and others who think that bombing Iran may be a solution, have you thought an instant that bombing WILL simply gather people who are now turning their back to the regime around A.N., Khamenei and will fight to defend their country?
The coup-overers are burying themselves three feet under the ground. No need to help them survive 30 more years. Capito?


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OK Stalin

by KouroshS on

.Yes Comrad Stalin,

You Chief ISlam lover on this site. SInce you put it in such an islamic and commanding way LOL i will do it.

Now can you turn if off?


Anonymous8

Kourosh i did not use any dirty line

by Anonymous8 on

you are confused. you are lashing out at random people. i really do believe you should step away and think about it. sleep on it is not negative. i just mean, calm down.


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Ananymous 8

by KouroshS on

Okay Doctor.

I will calm down If you sh... up. And As far as the "sleep on it" comment. You are the one who marches on this site. writing about Islam and how much you love it, Then comes this dirty line of sleep on it.

Marhaba for producing such brilliant followers such as yourself.


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Kharmagas

by KouroshS on

A crushing response????? what?

The whole point of the attack is to paralyze the regime and make its downfall even faster and then you want them to have enough energy and vitality to actually respond?? Dude...Those who want to see IRI being attacked do so purely on the basis of wanting to see them gone, as in forever. Pay attention here: Not the iranian people. But the IRI and the IRI only.

 Your fundamental disagreemnets with the IRI unfortunately will not translate to freedom and justice for those who actually live in iran. And you are wrong to think that actually implementing the nuclear technology will go so far as to deter anything. On the contrary, It is just what The excuse they need to expedite the invasion. So if they really do get the bomb, means that they are really asking for it.

No to shah and rafsanjani... and let me guess... yes to khamenei and ahmadinejad??


Anonymous8

Kourosh, what is actually bugging you?

by Anonymous8 on

i'm sorry but it is you who needs to calm down and stop the personal attacks. i don't know what is bugging you but clearly something is. please sleep on it.

i am 100% with those who find this piece of zionist propaganda appalling. i love it when iranians come together.


kharmagas

If they attack Iran (to KouroshS)

by kharmagas on

Kourosh, as I said below I do have, and I have always had fundamental disagreements with IRI, but in final analysis IF Iran is attacked by Israel or its fascist allies, I wish IRI total success in giving a crushing response ......  also I wish IRI total success in implementing nuclear deterrence and reducing that possibility in the first place.

I would have had the same view IF Shah was running Iran, if Rafsanjani was running Iran, .....,

 


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Irandokht... Please don't call me aziz... Yikes.

by KouroshS on

Look who is talking here.

You are the one who needs to relax not me. Trust me.

Do you know what Definitely means? I don't think you do.

I don't "really" think so. Freedom of speech is the right of everybody. The question is do you? I said what i wanted. Did you read correctly? I do not support bombing iran. are you okay? Why do you enjoy being a bully,  Cheiftain? Why does that make you so happy?

Frankly, I would not expect you to have gotten anymore out of it than you did either.

are we done with this? or Is this just the beginning?

 


IRANdokht

Take it easy KouroshS

by IRANdokht on

You sound so emotional!  Take it easy with the insults aziz!

I did not intend to hurt your feelings, I am sorry if I misunderstood your comment or I misinterpreted it. For some reason when I read your comment again I don't think I read too much into it. You're definitely more in favor of mansours than the ones holding the opposite view.

If you really think that freedom of speech is only the right of the ones who agree with you and the ones who want to bomb Iran, then say what you want. I wouldn't expect anything more anyway.

IRANdokht


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Kharmagas

by KouroshS on

Mansours' view points are indeed appalling and everyone knows that. But do you think that His garbage can convince any israeli Government official out there, that the iranian people are ready to be rescued and so let us send our fighter jets over there right this moment?

I am for discussing and debating different options. Mansours may have picked a totally absurd option, but at least he is inviting us to debate issues and come up with solution. Standing with a foreign power does not necessarilt translate into helping that country engaging in a destructive war path. How long are we going to sit and witness maiming and needless killing and raping of our innocent youth? what is the solution? How long is too long?

Unfortunately there are those such as.... who insist on seeing this in their own skewed and one-track minded way and get a kick out of labeling others as Inhumane and advocates of killing thousands of iranians without even pausing to think through and contemplate things before saying them.


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IranDokht ... chieftan

by KouroshS on

You still do not get it, heck, You never will.

You are so shallow  to think that i am with the Bomb Iran campaign. You are deluded enough to think that i want to see people Killed. I am not a pro-israeli and i should not hide behind anything to convince you and your friends that i am not. Go on with paranoia. It does come with age. I don't blame you. In fact you have stooped to such low and unbelievabely disgusting levels to accuse me of something that i am not.  

If I sounded disrespectful, it was because i was disrespected By indecent people here by being called names. I hope you have enough intelligence to Get that. And if you were wise you would know that i am not and do not have to pretend to anything. I know where i stand and i do not need you and pushy, bullies like you, to determine and speculate on where i really stand.

You are damn straight that i will go on and support everyone's right to speak.

You are right, No debate necessary with those who always want to see it their way and bash others based on their own shallow and baseless ideologies.


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not sure if all comments come through or not, ( there are more comments that what it shows after pasting)  آیا با حوادث پیش آمده حاضرید در کنار حکومت علیه حمله حتمالی نظامی اسرائیل و آمریکا به جبهه بروید ؟ ـ۲۰۴ کلیک

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+ - رأی  ۱۱ cilrvo ۳ روز قبل گفت: من حتی موافق حمله نظامی آمریکا و بمباران مراکز نظامی و قتل عام بسیجی ها و سپاهی ها هستم + - رأی  ۲ MelliMazhabi ۳ روز قبل گفت: یه حسی به من میگه که هیچکدوم از این اتفاقات نخواهد افتاد. شرایط اقتصادی آمریکا به گونه ای نیست که تاب یک جنگ جدید را داشته باشد. از سوی دیگر اوباما به عنوان یک رئیس جمهور ضد جنگ روی کار آمد و هر گونه درگیری نظامی تازه وجهه او را خراب خواهد کرد. افکار عمومی آمریکا هم متاثر از اتفاقات و خسارات مربوط به جنگ عراق، به شدت نسبت به آغاز یک جنگ تازه نگاه منفی دارد و حتی در صورت محرز شدن فعالیت ایران در زمینه دستیابی به سلاح هسته ای به دلیل بعد مسافت این کشور با ایران واکنش شدید و فوری نخواهد داشت. بدون حمایت و چراغ سبز آمریکا هم اسرائیل توان و انگیزه لازم برای درگیری نظامی با ایران را نخواهد داشت. + - رأی  ۲ xxtu ۳ روز قبل گفت:

یه حسی به من میگه که هیچکدوم از این اتفاقات نخواهد افتاد. شرایط اقتصادی آمریکا به گونه ای نیست که تاب یک جنگ جدید را داشته باشد. از سوی دیگر اوباما به عنوان یک رئیس جمهور ضد جنگ روی کار آمد و هر گونه درگیری نظامی تازه وجهه او را خراب خواهد کرد. افکار عمومی آمریکا هم متاثر از اتفاقات و خسارات مربوط به جنگ عراق، به شدت نسبت به آغاز یک جنگ تازه نگاه منفی دارد و حتی در صورت محرز شدن فعالیت ایران در زمینه دستیابی به سلاح هسته ای به دلیل بعد مسافت این کشور با ایران واکنش شدید و فوری نخواهد داشت. بدون حمایت و چراغ سبز آمریکا هم اسرائیل توان و انگیزه لازم برای درگیری نظامی با ایران را نخواهد داشت

از تفسیر شما سپاسگذاریم ولی در صورت حمله نظامی احتمالی به جبهه میروید ؟ + - رأی  -۴ behdokht ۳ روز قبل گفت: اگه کسی به جبهه بره که از کشورش دفاع کنه دلیل نمیشه که کنار حکومته و حکومتو قبول داره! + - رأی  ۸ donsifon ۳ روز قبل گفت: من تنهای در شرایطی حاضرم بجنگم که پای ارزش های انسانی در میون باشه. مثلا اگه طالبان حمله کنن شاید تو جنگ باشون شرکت کنم. اما مرزهای فیزیکی اصولا به نظرم بی معنی تر از اونه که براش بجنگم. وقتی اینها با مردم منتقد این جامعه درحد برده برخورد می کنن و لااقل ارتش های غربی تو دوره زمونه ما با مردم سرزمین فتح شده انسانی تر برخورد می کنن، برم با چی واسه نگه داشتن چی بجنگم؟ + - رأی  -۸ arvand ۳ روز قبل گفت: اگر آمریکا یا اسرائیل به ایران حمله کنه نه تنها اکثر مردم به دفاع از ایران بر خواهند خواست بلکه این رژیم پایه‌های خودش را تا ۳۰ سال دیگه محکم خواهد کرد + - رأی  ۱ arvand ۳ روز قبل گفت: و این همان چیزی هست که رژیم ایران دلش میخواد + - رأی  ۸ Aliba ۳ روز قبل گفت: من حاظرم، ولی در جبهه مقابل + - رأی  ۸ fttps ۳ روز قبل گفت:

من حتی موافق حمله نظامی آمریکا و بمباران مراکز نظامی و قتل عام بسیجی ها و سپاهی ها هستم

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من تا 5 ماه پیش معتقد بودم وقتی همچین موضوعی پیش میاد بحث دفاع از خاک میهن و ناموسمونه و همه باید فارغ از دعواهای جناحی و سیاسی داخلی در کنار هم علیه تجاوزگران بایستیم ولی وقتی میبینم که اینها در زندانها به ناموسمون هم تجاوز میکنند و حتی به جنس مذکر هم رحم ندارند . واسه آمریکا و اسرائیل حاضر هستم جاسوسی هم بکنم که راحت تر بتونن کارشون رو بسازن . رسما به اسرائیل و آمریکا اعلام میکنم اگه کاری از دست من برمیاد که زودتر نسل اینارو از زمین بردارند با ایمیل من تماس بگیرند . اینم ایمیلم
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+ - رأی  ۱۱ uni.verse ۳ روز قبل گفت:

اگر حمله نظامی به ایران صورت بگیرد و همین حکومت از شما بخواهد که برای دفاع در کنار آنها باشید و به جبهه بروید آیا قبول خواهید کرد ؟

من هرگز جانم را در راه حماقت دیگران از دست نخواهم داد. چرا احمقی مثل احمدی نژاد باید حرف مفتی برای مهو اسراییل نقل قول از نادان دیگری بگوید و نادان دیگری هم که ارباب محمود هست از او حمایت کند بعد جنگ بشود و من جانم را بدهم؟؟ چرا؟؟؟؟
اگر جنگی شد، از اون بالا یکی یکی میرن شربت شهادت را مینوشن تا این پایین پایین ها اگر نوبت به من رسید من برای وطنم مبارزه میکنم. چطور خدا به اونها مقام و قدرت و پول نفت داده، من جانم را برای حفظ اینها که خدا بهشون داده!! بدم؟
نه آقا جان، هرچه خوردن باید در جنگ پس بدهن.
همانند پیامبر و امام علی اشان شمشیر را بردارن و برن به جنگ، این فیض شهادت باید اول نصیب اونها بشه. اسراییل هم که اینها را به فیض شهادت رسوند دیگه کاری به من که هیچ کاره ام نداره. + - رأی  ۵ fttps ۳ روز قبل گفت:

این فیض شهادت باید اول نصیب اونها بشه.

+++++++++++++ + - رأی  ۸ nip.tuck ۳ روز قبل گفت: در جواب بهدخت، کشور یعنی چی؟کشور قسمت اعظمش حکومته و وقتی می بینیم این حکومت بیشتر از هر حکومتی دیگری با مردم دشمن ،چرا از اینها باید دفاع کرد.
تو جنگهای معاصر شکست یک کشور یعنی شکست حکومت نه شکست ملت.چون کسی به ملت کاری نداره(البته جنگ ناخواسته یه سری آسیبهایی هم به ملت می زنه)فقط حکومت عوض میشه(عین عراق).مطمئن باشید همین بسیجی هایی هم که خیلی هارتوپورت می کنند نمی رن بجگند،چون این قومی که من می شناسم نان به نرخ روز خورند.
من خیلی ها را می شناسم که جبهه نخواهند رفت و تو تاریخ شکست خیلی از حکومت ها در مقابل دشمن خارجی به خاطر نارضایتی مردم بوده.
من آمریکا و اسرائیل به این جانیان متجاوز و لواط کار ترجیح می دم ،چون اونا بالاخره رفتنیند ولی اینا فکر رفتن ندارند.شاید تنها مفر ما همین حمله باشد. + - رأی  ۶ mehdiarch80 ۳ روز قبل گفت: به ضرس قاطع میگویم:نَه + - رأی  ۶ mehdiarch80 ۳ روز قبل گفت:

یه حسی به من میگه که هیچکدوم از این اتفاقات نخواهد افتاد. شرایط اقتصادی آمریکا به گونه ای نیست که تاب یک جنگ جدید را داشته باشد. ...

جنگ برای اقتصاد آمریکا یک فرصت است.. + - رأی  ۵ ninaq ۳ روز قبل گفت: سعدی در نصحیت به پادشاهان میگه اگه می خوای رعیت پشت و پناه حکومتت باشند، تو هم پشت و پناه مردمت باش و در غیر اینصورت انتظار کمک نداشته باش
اگه تاریخ نگاه کنیم می بینیم همیشه همین اتفاق میافته این حکومت دل مردمش رو بدست نیاورده به نظر من تاریخ حتما تکرار میشه چه بخواهیم چه نخواهیم بقیه اش تعارفه
همه ما دیدیم که چطور عراق و یا افغانستان سه سوته سقوط کرد میتونیم بگیم مردم اونجا خائن یا وطن فروش اند و میهن شون رو دوست ندارن ولی دیدیم هیچ مقاومتی نکردن + - رأی  ۶ Arjan ۳ روز قبل گفت:

ولی همه میدانیم که خامنه ای و احمدی نژاد یکقدم حاضر نیستند که از حق هسته ای خود عقب نشینی کنند

اتفاقا که هیچ نمیدانید. این ها فیلم بازی محمود و اربابش سید علی هست که ما محکم ایستاده ایم. اینها تبلیغات برای مردم ساده لوح است که اقتدار نشون بدن. پشت برده التماس آمریکا و اسراییل میکنند که کاری به ما نداشته باشین. مراکز هسته ای هم خیلی وقته که کار نمیکنه، ولی تو تلویزیون به مردمشون دروغ میگن و مردم را خز میکنند پشت پرده هم با آمریکا و اسراییل چونه میزنن که طول عمر حکومتشون را زیاد کنن.
اسراییل هم فکر جنگ نداره، این شیادها این حرف جنگ را میندازن که مردم را احساسی کنن. + - رأی  ۱۱ aryapeykar ۳ روز قبل گفت: بیایم بجنگیم بعد اگه شهید بشیم با همسرمان مثل زنان شهید باکری و.... رفتار بشه؟ بجنگیم که بچه شهید از پشت بام خونش بگیرن ببرن تجاوز کنند بعد جسدشو با اسید بسوزونن؟ کی حاظره؟ + - رأی  ۹ ariatahm ۲ روز قبل گفت: درود ... سوال خیلی خوبیه ... من در دوران سربازیم که به تازگی تمام شده افسر تکاور بودم و بعد از گذراندن دوره دشوار و طاقت فرسای تکاوری اقسر آموزش دوره تکاور شدم و به سربازان و افسرانی که تربیت کردم سعی کردم علاوه بر مهارتهای نظامی از قبیل جنگ تن به تن و تخریبات و جنگ چریکی و جنگ در کوهستان و زندگی در شرایط سخت و غیره درس عشق به وطن و و ایثار برای خاک وطن را نیز تا آنجا که در توانم بود آموزش دهم اما اکنون من اعتراف می کنم که نخواهم جنگید و حتی در آن زمان در جبهه داخلی بر علیه مزدوران عرب عرب پرست متعصب قاتل و اشغالگر برای آزادی کشورم جان ناقابلم را تقدیم می کنم . چندی پیش یکی از بچه ها که تحت آموزشم بود به من تلفن زد و گفت این همه از جانبازی گفتی و شعر فردوسی در صحرا نوردی های شبانه برایمان خواندی ...بیا این نتیجه اش که اینگونه می کشند و تجاوز میکنند . مکث کردم که چه جوابی بدهم ... گفتم رفیق الان همه اون حرفهای من رو برای مبارزه با اینها به یاد بیار و به کار ببند چون اینها خاک ما رو اشغال کرده اند . + - رأی  ۳ Aryaban ۲ روز قبل گفت: مهم/ رو بردار،نیازی نیست + - رأی  ۲ xxtu ۲ روز قبل گفت:

مهم/ رو بردار،نیازی نیست

انجام شد + - رأی  ۵ boomp ۲ روز قبل گفت: والا منم جای اینا بودم به مراکز اتمی ایران حمله نظامی می کردم..اینا که مغز تو کلشون نیست..چه می فهمن بمب اتم چیه..می گن یا زهراااا بزن بره!! + - رأی  ۲ sariz ۲ روز قبل گفت: تاریخ تکرار می شود چون اولین مرتبه کسی گوش نمی کند + - رأی  ۷ eyiranazad ۲ روز قبل گفت: آقای عزیز الان دارند از داخل به خواهر و برادرای ما تجاوز می کنند شما می گی برای جلوگیری از تجاوز خارجی بریم بجنگیم !!!!!
باید این سپاهی و بسیجی رو از روی زمین برداریم + - رأی  ۲ nedafree ۱ روز قبل گفت: اینها از خدا میخواهند آمریکا یا اسرائیل به ایران حمله کنند . بعد بهانه خواهند داشت که همه مخالفان را به جرم خیانت در هنگام حمله خارجی نابود کنند همانکاری که خمینی با حمله صدام احمق انجام داد و از شر همه دشمنان داخلی جمهوری اسلامی با اعدام و به زندان انداختنشان خلاص شد. ولی اگر جنگ طول بکشد اینها ساقط میشوند همانطور که همه حکومتهای دیکتاتور که حمایت مردمی را پشت خود ندارند در جنگهای درازمدت ساقط شده اند . بهترین گزینه برای اینها یک حمله برق آسای اسرائیل و نابودی تاسیسات اتمی ایران است . بعد بهانه به دستشان می افتد و حساب همه مخالفان داخلی را میرسند و در عین حال جنگ طول نمیکشد که حکومت خودشان ساقط شود. + - رأی  ۴ interpol ۱ روز قبل گفت: دشمن در خانه است ! پس با او به جنگ مي رويم ، حال اگر كساني يا دولتهايي با ما همسو باشند كه بهتر .
راستي به نظرتون با اين كثافت كاري هاي سياسي اوباما فكر ميكنيد جنگي از طرف آمريكا ما رو تحديد مي كنه ؟‌ + - رأی  ۳ ramz ۱ روز قبل گفت: بابا آدم باید خر لگدش زده باشه که بگه آره !! معلومه نه + - رأی  ۱ mashang ۱ روز قبل گفت:

اینها از خدا میخواهند آمریکا یا اسرائیل به ایران حمله کنند . بعد بهانه خواهند داشت که همه مخالفان را به جرم خیانت در هنگام حمله خارجی نابود کنند همانکاری که خمینی با حمله صدام احمق انجام داد و از شر همه دشمنان داخلی جمهوری اسلامی با اعدام و به زندان انداختنشان خلاص شد. ولی اگر جنگ طول بکشد اینها ساقط میشوند همانطور که همه حکومتهای دیکتاتور که حمایت مردمی را پشت خود ندارند در جنگهای درازمدت ساقط شده اند . بهترین گزینه برای اینها یک حمله برق آسای اسرائیل و نابودی تاسیسات اتمی ایران است . بعد بهانه به دستشان می افتد و حساب همه مخالفان داخلی را میرسند و در عین حال جنگ طول نمیکشد که حکومت خودشان ساقط شود.

ای بابا! اگه به ایران حمله بشه که اینا دیگه فرصت نمی کنن به مخالفان داخلی برسن. یه ماهه کارشون تمومه.
ولی موضوع اینه که اینا هر فاحشه‌گری که لازم باشه انجام میدن تا بمونن. اصلا بمب هسته‌ای رو برای همین میخوان. + - رأی  ۲ hamedonline ۱ روز قبل گفت: قطعا نه. + - رأی  ۱ MrCrab ۱ روز قبل گفت: کدوم حادثه؟ + - رأی  ۴ mylife ۱ روز قبل گفت: من به گرمی دست آقایان اوباما استراو مرکل سارکوزی و...را در تهران خواهم فشرد.
و بر گردن سرابازانشان باز هم در تهران حلقه گل میاندازم(اگر کاره ای بودم...) + - رأی  ۰ samanhe ۱ روز قبل گفت: و این همان چیزی هست که رژیم ایران دلش میخواد+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++... + - رأی  ۳ neda88 ۱ روز قبل گفت: در زمان جنگ جهانی‌ دوم افراد دمکرات و ضد فاشیست در جبهه ضد هیتلر بودن حتا اگه آلمانی‌ بودن. بالاتر از ملیت انسانیت هست. من که ضد خامنه‌ای، بسیج و استبداد مذهبی‌ خواهیم جنگید. + - رأی  ۱ morteza858 ۱ روز قبل گفت: متاسفانه رهبر کشور به جایی رسونده که مردمانش به جای اینکه بگن در مقابل دشمنان خارجی تا پای مرگ میجنگیم،میگن ما اتفاقا خوشحال میشیم...البته من خوشحال نمیشم اما هرگز حاضر نیستم برای این حکومت بجنگم و اگه به زور ببرنم حتما به خودیا ضربه میزنم + - رأی  -۲ iranesabz ۱ روز قبل گفت: فقط میتونم بگم متاسفم! متاسفم برای دوستانی که گفتند نه به خاطر اینکه آرزوشون سرنگونی نظام هست! بالا فرند های گرامی شما فکر میکنید اگه اسراییل یا امریکا به ایران حمله کنند چه اتفاقی میفته؟ بزارید من براتون بگم
1-خ.ر و ا.ن و تمساح و ه.ش و...همه یه سوراخ موش برای خودشون گیر میارنو بعد از اون بساط شرطبندی تو ایران راه میفته.سر چی؟ سر جنسیت بچه توی شکم خواهر و مادر من و تو و از اونجایی که زن ایرانی زیباترین زن دنیاست ایران تبدیل میشه به بهشت برای سربازا و زن ایرانی براشون نقش حوریهای بهشتی رو ایفا میکنه + - رأی  ۱ Terminus ۱ روز قبل گفت: سوال مشکل داره!
البته از نظر مفهومی سوال کاملا درسته اما مسئله اصلی اینجاست که اگر آمریکا بخواد حمله کنه باید اول حدس بزنیم که چه نوع حمله ای خواهد کرد.
A. حمله هوایی و موشکی برای نابودی کامل قدرت دفعاعی و تاسیسات زیربنایی.
B. اشغال نظامی.
در نوع اول هیچ ایرانی (شایدم هیچ کشوری در دنیا) قادر نیست که پاسخ آمریکا رو بده، مگر حمله انتحاری که اینم در کارآیی‏اش جای شکه و محدودیت داره.
در نوع دوم یعنی اشغال نظامی ابتدا مرحله اول انجام میشه و سپس ورود نیروهای زرهی و پیاده.
خوب، در اشغال نظامی حداکثر کاری که ما میتونیم بکنیم دقیقا همون کاریه که عراقی‏ها و طالبان کردن. یعنی ایجاد مزاحمت و بعد کشته شدن خودمان.
راستش من اصلا میل ندارم هیچ جنگی در دنیا رخ بده چه برسه به کشور خودمان اما در صورت چنین اتفاقی واقعا فکر نمیکنم حتی یکی دو تا کشور توی دنیا باشن که بتونن در مقابل آمریکا مقاومت کنن. + - رأی  ۱ bobbyjon ۱ روز قبل گفت:

فقط میتونم بگم متاسفم! متاسفم برای دوستانی که گفتند نه به خاطر اینکه آرزوشون سرنگونی نظام هست! بالا فرند های گرامی شما فکر میکنید اگه اسراییل یا امریکا به ایران حمله کنند چه اتفاقی میفته؟ بزارید من براتون بگم
1-خ.ر و ا.ن و تمساح و ه.ش و...همه یه سوراخ موش برای خودشون گیر میارنو بعد از اون بساط شرطبندی تو ایران راه میفته.سر چی؟ سر جنسیت بچه توی شکم خواهر و مادر من و تو و از اونجایی که زن ایرانی زیباترین زن دنیاست ایران تبدیل میشه به بهشت برای سربازا و زن ایرانی براشون نقش حوریهای بهشتی رو ایفا میکنه

من متاسفم برای شما که این طور فکر می‌کنید،الان حدود ۶-۷ سال است که نیرو‌های آمریکایی و انگلیسی در عراق و افغانستان هستند،شما چند داستان از تجاوز آنها به نوامیس مردم شنیده ای؟خطر از سربازان خارجی‌ نیست بلکه به دلیل هرج و مرج پیش آماده در اثر اشغال نظامی،از سوی بازمانده‌های سپاه و بسیج است،شما به عراق نگاه کن،عراقی‌‌ها هستند که همدیگر را میکشند و سر میبرند و به نوامیس یکدیگر تجاوز میکنند نه آمریکایی ها،جنایت آمریکایی‌ها در هد ابو قریب و امسال آن خلاصه میشود که بهتر از کهریزک است.
اما در مورد اصل سوال،دوست من ما همه خواهان سرنگونی این رژیم هستیم و برای این رژیم هم حاضر به جنگیدن نیستیم ولی‌ حمله نظامی به ایران هم چیزی نیست که آرزوی آن را بکنیم،درست است که برای آزادی باید هزینه آن را پرداخت ولی‌ باید دقت کرد که گران هم نخرید.برد فرض که حمله نظامی خارجی‌ موجب سرنگونی این رژیم شود،میدانید که چه هزینه ،صدمات و فجایعی برای ملت ما چه از نظر انسانی‌،اقتصادی و سیاسی خواهد داشت؟این آخرین گزینه است،امیدوار باشیم که نیازی به آن نباشد برای سرنگونی این رژیم جنایت کار + - رأی  ۲ mylife ۱ روز قبل گفت:

زن ایرانی زیباترین زن دنیاست

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باز مهمل بافی های متمایل به راسیسم و نژاد پرستی شروع شد.... + - رأی  ۱ baran-aram ۱ روز قبل گفت: رژیم اینار را کور خونده که بخواهد دوباره یک جنگ زرگری مثل جنگ عراق را با اسراییل راه بیاندارد تا خود را دوباره تثبیت کند. من حتی آرزو می کنم که اسراییل حمله کند و این نظام حرامزاده را از بنیاد براندازد چه برسد به اینکه دوباره در کنار این حرامزاده ها و بخاطر بقای این حرامزاده ها خون جوانانمان را بدهیم مملکی که در آن رای من و خواست من اهمیتی نداشته باشد و فقط نظام و خامنه ایها و انتری نژادها مهم باشند میخواهم صد سال سیاه آن مملکت نباشد بخش نظرات غیرفعال شده است.


Farhad Kashani

Bashing Israel = One of IRIs main survival tools. Take it away!

by Farhad Kashani on

Definitely Iranians are friends of Jews, Israelis and Palestinians. We don’t want Israel to be wiped off, at the same time we want to see an independent Palestinian state and a just resolution to Israeli Arab conflict. We will stand with Israel when its right, and we will stand against it when it’s wrong, a balanced approach that a responsible government should take, not like what these Fascist maniacs in the IRI regime do.

  

However, what’s absolutely crucial in Iranian people’s quest for democracy is to take IRI anti Israeli oppression tool away; meaning, we have to reject every time and anytime IRI or any of its supporters bash Israel, not because we think Israel is great, but because IRI has used anti Israelism as one of its main survival and oppression tool. So essentially when you are rejecting IRIs anti Israelism, you are rejecting IRIs survival and oppression. IRI kills people by easily calling them “Zionists” and things like that, and it has defined its existence as a force to spread Fundamentalist Islam around the world, beginning by wiping out Islam’s historic enemies (according to them), most notably Jews.

Standing up to IRIs anti Israelism does not mean supporting Israel, it means rejecting IRI and its propaganda. If a balanced anti IRI person bashes Israel’s actions against Palestinians, I will probably join him! But if an IRI supporter and propagandist like Jaleho or Shah Gholam or Ostaad or Aredeshir Ommani, does that, I will firmly and strongly reject it. At that point, it’s not about Israel, it’s about the future of Iran.


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kane

Finish these two wars that your uncle started then.......

by kane on

"Bombing Iran is the only path forward"??????????? Only path for whom? if you are trying to say USA and or Israel then it is for them not for us, we haven't giving up hope yet. your president Mr. dumb ass Bush was smart enough to not to attack Iran, but you say war is only path. Mr. Mansours, if war is good why don't you go and get a gun and fight yourslf. You are just another Republican who thinks war is good as long as someone els do it for me. At last Mr. Mansours, please finish the two wars that your uncle started FIRST and then the third one (with this economy) pishkesh.

PS: only Iranians know the meaning of PISHKESH.

 


IRANdokht

KouroshS

by IRANdokht on

The extent of tolerance that you show for someone who has repeatedly expressed his desire to bomb Iranians, compared to your negative, harsh and disrespectful attitude towards others who don't, speaks volume. You don't have to pretend that you do not share the same feelings. It's amusing to say the least: most people who are pro-Israeli attack try to hide their real agenda behind some "fair and balanced" facade. 

If anyone wants to take the side of bombing Iran, I would not even validate their inhumane and stupid stance with a response, nevermind debating them!   As you might have noticed, I did not even comment on Mansours article. I wrote a comment regarding the disappointment I felt when I realized you're one of those "bomb bomb Iran" incognito who are too cautious to openly advocate for Israel and instead you slam everyone who's already shown disgust for this article. 

You go ahead and defend this article and their right to speak. As far as I am concerned the ones who want to kill Iranians by the thousands are not even human.  No debate necessary. 

The chief but you can call me IRANdokht


kharmagas

bAyegAny (to Kourosh)

by kharmagas on

From one perspective I see what you are talking about. Years and years of corruption and neglect of poor and middle class in IRI by khodies of various types has created such an environment that inside and outside Iran there are those who have appalling views such as Mansours' ....and they are not a few, SADLY I must say. 

BTW Kourosh, your usage of bAyegAni in "bayeganied as evidence" made me laugh a lot, first I didn't understand it and googled it .... nothing was found .... then I realized it was bAyegAnied!

 


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Ohh hey... great ... here comes the chief

by KouroshS on

Mr KouroshS mifarmayand Mansours cares about Iran and he's giving a bunch of no-good opportunists (everyone who is disagreeing with Mansours) a way to steal his "moment" and capitalize on their "rubbish"!!! 

Irandokht.

You may want to think no one in this whole wide world cares more about iran than you and your friends, But i think that it IS every iranian's right to care for iran. News flash sister: you do not own that right. He has the right to talk about his opinions on how to acheive democracy and justice in iran, even if it ends up pissing you off and boiling your blood.

NO irandokht. I do not agree with mansours idea of bombing iran. I merely agreeing with his stance on debating and discussing things even though it has been talked about a million times. Understand the difference. People come up with new ideas that are sometimes worth considering and debating as flawed and baseless you think they maybe. They still deserve a chance to be heard. If you wanna dismiss them off the bat, Then you are the one who needs adjust your settings.

You can read can't you? I did say that such an idea was idiotic but pushers and bullies like you, just have to take things out of context and twist them in so many complex and irrational ways.

 I am not concurring with mansours position and if you want to see it that way then you are the one with the seriously incurable problem. And since i myself am not a fan of bombing iran then there is no logical way of concluding that i am insulting EVERYONE.  

Your friend had already started the insulting game by using names such as asshat clowns. Is that not insulting enough for you? What gives one the right to say such things without evenn knowing others' way of thinking is, and basing their judgemnet merely on what they see on the message boards? Can i know anything at all about you by just spending years reading your comments online rather than meeting you face to face? Is that the right standard for morally and logically charactrizing people?

So arrogant of you or anyone else to give yourself the right to blindly pass judgments onto others.


IRANdokht

who's the bad guy?

by IRANdokht on

Mr KouroshS mifarmayand Mansours cares about Iran and he's giving a bunch of no-good opportunists (everyone who is disagreeing with Mansours) a way to steal his "moment" and capitalize on their "rubbish"!!! 

Do you not see that they are waiting for one minsicule chance to just steal away the moment and capitalize on their own rubbish of "i told you so" rather than putting the empahsis on the word DEBATE? One would think that based on their years of experience in writing and holding discussions they would be human enough to at least get that much out of an argument.

Please. please. I don't care what your political motivations are, This should not even be about deciphering your ideology and affiliations and people who really care for their iran and are not just pretending to do so, would realize this. So let's not give these people ammunition to change the whole topic of the blog and turn it around and make you or anyone else for that matter, to be the guilty party by merely suggetsing to DEBATE the issues.

So Kourosh khan you don't see Mansour's idea as rubbish but the ones who disagree with him are "good-for-nothing, arrogant and paranoid commenters here to just take the forum over and spew nonsense"

KouroshS

I never really agreed with you politically but now I am actually baffled and disappointed by your encouraging stance to Mansours and his absurd point of view, while you don't want to miss the opportunity to insult everyone else who doesn't want Iran bombed.

I guess I had given you more credit than you deserve.

IRANdokht


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Dingo daddy and bachenavvab

by KouroshS on

Dingo

IF you insist on looking at it that way, then fine. By the way, You are the angry one not me. so Calm down. If debating and discussing issues are taking cheap shots at everyone, with no exception, Then more than likely it is people like you who want to be the bully.

Okay. You know i really have a feeling that you were so so angry writing that last part and i do not want to have anything to do with mad and crazy people. If i write in a disrespectful way, then there is one thing you can do , DO NOT READ WHAT I WRITE.

Kharmagas

Sheeshaki be jamalet. Now you see who is doing the Kermreekhtan? This is going to be bayeganied as evidence. I kid you not. Do you really think i let one go? Why? did it smell good?

Loose cannon? Well. congrats on the new name you picked for yourself angry man. very apt choice.

Bachenavvab

Oh so now you know how it feels to be reading your comments? Cuz i think yours are a whole lotta nothing as well.  Why would i "fly off" the handle and attack you? for the love of god, you are the one who has already started the attacking party, without even me saying a word. Did you not read how many times i said that i did not support mansours ideas?


Bavafa

Javabe ablahan khamooshist.

by Bavafa on

I am personally and suggest to all to boycott this warmongerish and nonsense writing which is nothing but waste of time and perhaps for self gratifications on his part

Mehrdad