POETRY

Poem?

Have you ever wondered why most of these religious figures (Imams) were killed and did not die of natural causes?

Now at least I, having experienced the Islamic Republic, know for sure why most of them were murdered. They were most probably just like Khomeini, Khamenei and the rest of the present day savages in power in Iran.

A very crappy poem (if it could be called that) by the way.

This is nonsense

Don't worry about Ali. Worry about the young men and women who want to get rid of him once and for all. Write a poem about them and not an event that Mullah's pushed down your throat.

Ali O Ali... your moon is my only witness

Hedieh that was beautiful... keep writing and don't mind the old fools

To praise yet another

murderer invader of Persia is insane.  The Muslim Arab invasion of Iran was a brutal military invasion and these guys were the military commanders who brought nothing but terror and havoc upon a hapless population.  They then forced this biggoted, racist idiology upon us and made us worship them.  It's just nuts to put these people on a pedastle! 

Mr.Rendd

Hedieh herself is arguing the point with me and you become the self appointed judge telling others to keep quiet? I guess it is ok to write poems in praise of Hitler and expect everyone to praise the poem as it is a poem ? khoda to ro ham shafa bedeh . Bund, Jimzbund

Dear Hedieh,

For Ali, you just beed to read the Muslim historain themselves and read some hadithes  to find out what he was. All you have been fed is fabrications and fantasy

,just a quick note that he beheaded 700 Jews in one day and  used y to burn his opponents alive , .sorry to be the nerare of bad` news !.

Irani bashi va pirooz,

Bund, Jimzbund

Here is a ultra modern poem about separation.........

Forget Separation of church and state.  Let's separate art from politics.  Since politics is all about people. Any politically neutral art is irrelevant to people. Oh yes, art for the sake of art.  Go and read Hafez and enjoy the masterpiece of this wordsmith, but look not for substance for you will be disappointed.  As substance has no place in art.  Read Hafez, eat, drink, copulate and be merry. and remember, NO POLITICS. 

Babak Jan,

This is poetry blog and is not related to the discussion that you are trying to bring up. Don't you think a more subject matter blog can address your issues better?

Best Regards,

Dear Rendd:

This is not in defence of Jamshid, I am sure he can do it better than I can imagin, but do you have any objection on HIMSELF as an individual , or what he writes about?.

What he says here; if you disagree, bring on your counter argument, otherwise, what's the point to shutting him down?

Jamshid,

You are all over...pick one subject then we talk about it. Have your own blog let's not clutter this one. This blog has a different subject.

Thanks,

Ali

Who was Hazrate Ali?

It depends whether you want to rely on information fed to you by the society and mollahs in your childhood, or by information available from historians.

And it depends whether you want to rely on your feelings and attachments, or on facts and your reasoning.

In the Arab invasion of Iran, Ali was one of the major councils of Omar. After Iranians lost the war, Ali tells his people: O people of Koofeh! You have succeeded in destorying the "Ajam's" glory!" (tarikhe tabari)

During Ali's rule (khelaafat), when Iranians rised against the Arabs' rule and tyranny, Ali repeatedly sent his generals to crush Iranians' rebellions. Despite the violence committed against them, Iranians continued to rebel in what today is khoraasan, gilan, kermaan and azarbayjan.

In history, there are many references to the city of Estakhr, as it was a major city of its time. When people of Estakhr rebelled against Arab's tyranny for a second time, Ali sent his most vicious and brutal Amir (general) to crush the rebellion and make an example (Tarikhe Tabari.) After the massacre, Estakhr became a ghost city, and its name disappeared from history books.

There are many occasions where Ali engaged in enslaving women from the defeated tribes. Ali also engaged in acts of brutality and violence against non-fidels and even against moslems who were considered a threat.

Iranian moslem historians repackage these acts of violence and feed it to the people as proud and honorable acts.

Ali on women: "Women's faith (imaan) is handicapped. They are handicapped because during their period they are not required to pray or fast. They are handicapped because one man's testimony is equivalent to two women's." Nahjol balaagheh, Dr. Ayati translation.

In order to prepare the mind for this deception, mollahs have even invented a picture of Ali (eventhough they consider images and pictures of emaams as "makrooh") in which Ali looks handsome.

Here is one such picture:
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Here is another picture more in line with reality which is kept in a French museum:

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I don't understand the urge to worship foreign heroes to begin with. It's worst when this foreign hero is a symbol of violence and inhuman acts. It is even worst when this so called hero has shed our ancestors blood. It's further worst, when it is deceptively packaged and fed to us in our childhood as a true symbol of manhood.

I began to doubt about Hazrate Ali when I was younger and when I realized I have to constantly invent complex justifications in order to refute historical facts and to maintain Ali's sainthood/manhood stature in my mind.

This worked for a while. But eventually it buckeled under the heavy weight of historical facts and my new sense of having a faith that is based on the truth and facts instead of lies and myths.

A quote from Ali's son

سفینه البحار نوشته عباس قمی برگ 164

Hedieh,

The followers of true Islam aren't too many but a few of them can stand against thousands of these oldies who are on the last leg of their miserable life. What a shame...as a famous Iranian expression applies prefecty to them: khar be donya oomadan...gaav az donya miran...

Kill Mouse Traps, that was

Kill Mouse Traps, that was so funny...

Thank you

I thank those who liked my poem as well as those who did not ....  

 Dear OO7 ,  the politics of Rohaniat in Iran has nothing to do with Ali.....

and what was that song .... .. here with some minor changes .......

" if you don't know Ali by now .... you will never never know him "

but with all these hypocrisy and all these crimes that are being done in the name of Islam ... I do not blame you ......

 and thanks for your prayers for me ... i do need it : )

here is a beautiful poem written by Rumi on Ali ...... 

A humble poet, I am
Let me be your muse
Drink of me 
In rapture, my very being cries out: Ali Ali       A Sufi, I am 
Pure of heart 
In rapture, my very being cries out: Ali Ali
A lover, I am 
Of Murtaza Ali 
In rapture, my very being cries out: Ali Ali
My joy uncontained 
I am in song 
In rapture, my very being cries out: Ali Ali
   

"At the touch of love, everyone becomes a poet." - Plato

you have run away from Ali's country !

easy fix, go back to Iran and enjoy the edaalat Ali and islami altogether !

khodaa shafaatoon bedeh ,

This is what I get out of it:

When you are a kid and live in a country that is soaked in black for this day you think sun has been banned to shine on the world.  You look at the sky and you see blood, you see mourners streaming by the casket with thirst and hunger.  You are so small to comprehend.  You just cry because your mother is crying and you can't wait for this day to be over with, for sun to show up again, making everyone happy.

But, when you are all grown up and living in another land where there is no black, no lack of sun shine, no mourners, and you have forgotten your mother; you are not waiting for anything to be over or any happy event to show up tomorrow, in fact you are not even waiting for tomorrow.  I'm feeling guilty, not being able to even read a line or two from the verses of memories.

Ali, oh Ali!  Tell me about all the nights in that brown date garden of loneliness because in this Diaspora I scream with no voice into the deep well of my being, and your moon is my only witness.

Nice

Thanks. Please write more.

"I scream with no voice

"I scream with no voice into the deep well of my being
and your moon is my only witness"

Beautiful