Short of war

There are many models for bringing unreformable regimes down

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Short of war
by Fred
19-Nov-2009
 

You might call this confession of a reluctant sanction-monger.

Advocating sanctions against ones homeland is as strange as advocating for ones extended family to go without, so there better be a damn good reason(s) for such odd advocacy.

First a little personal background which might help in dispelling any false notion or prejudgment. My entire extended family except one sibling live in Iran, all except one world-class rich distant cousin, are middle to lower middle class with most being like the overwhelming majority of Iranians in the hand to mouth category. So my advocacy of sanctions does come from the point of view of someone who knows what it is to be of limited means, what a precarious situation it is and what real airtight economic sanctions could do.

All that said I am for sanctioning IRR, the Islamist Rapist Republic, here are some but not all my reasons:

I am convinced that the way IRR is abusing the nation, disintegration, wide spread armed civil strife and general lawlessness are not that far off, some of it already exists.

I am convinced that due to its nuke and regional interference policies IRR is imposing a devastating war on woefully unprepared Iran and Iranians.

I am convinced that the opposition to the IRR, both inside and outside, are opportunistic go with the flow type, therefore do not have any plan to head off the coming devastation. And even if they had plans they lack the means to face up to such barbaric regime.

I am convinced former IRR guys, a PM, President and Speaker of Majles, who are its opposition now as the Persian saying goes are like the knife’s blade which does not cut its own handle. Their opposition will not amount to anything meaningful just adding to peoples’ piled up dashed hopes which will one day explode with devastating consequences.

I am convinced that the opposition to war and sanction at any price has become an end to itself therefore will end up in having both war and sanction imposed on Iran and Iranians.

I am convinced that unless the ruling Islamist system including the “reformist, pragmatist and principalist” is gotten rid of by the Iranian people, others with no care whatsoever for Iran or Iranian will do it and nothing will stop them.

I am convinced that IRR is way past its ideological phase and now depends on paid thugs as opposed to volunteers to do its suppression operations; less funds will mean far less thugs beating, raping and killing Iranians which is the basic tactic in any such fight to reduce the regime’s forces making the it more vulnerable to people power.

I am convinced that without airtight sanctions in addition to moral and material help to Iranians to soften the sanction blow and to quicken the fall of the Islamist Rapists, war is inevitable.

There are many models for bringing unreformable regimes such as the IRR down, for the stated reasons, to avoid war, I believe downfall of the regime should be the goal and, reluctantly believe sanction is part of any solution in that regards. Now if that makes me a warmonger so be it.

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by kharmagas on

zan zayado, boz ayado, motreb ze dar ayad (*)!

I thought with my presence I had sufficiently desecrated Fred's blog!

 

(*) it probably is not the correct version


Jaleho

Niloufar jan, good to see you too!

by Jaleho on

Haven't seen you around much, and it is always a pleasure to know you're alive and kicking!


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Don't criticize the regime,they are Iranian's

by timothyfloyd on

Don't criticize the Regime they are Iranian's.

Veiled,at their convience they are unable to recognize the difference of criticism between Regime and Iranian's.

Often here a Regimist will call the Regime 'Iranian's' and protect the dictatorship under the guise they care for the Iranian people.Even tho they are the ones who enslave them.


Discussion's of freedom for Iranian's are becoming less and less due to this.


Just which Iranian's are they really protecting?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1b_PHzAq_0

Have a wonderful free day!


capt_ayhab

Ms JalehO

by capt_ayhab on

The other half says........

Welcome back but do not expect any leniency ha!!!(*_^)

-YT 


Niloufar Parsi

'tis good

by Niloufar Parsi on

to see u jaleh!  :)


capt_ayhab

Kharmagas

by capt_ayhab on

Break a leg.......

Not yours ha!

-YT 


kharmagas

... Jaleh jAn good to see you

by kharmagas on

Jaleh jAn good too see you. I am glad you laughed at some of my comments... more than that I am glad that your mere presence here brought about the funniest comment of the year.


Jaleho

Mr. Capt. again

by Jaleho on

I understand half of your post, and agree with it, but don't understand the other half. Not sayin' which half is which ;-)


kharmagas

Funniest comment of the year!

by kharmagas on

Capt says: "Ms. Jaleho, we both hate each others guts, but your absence is inexcusable, as it is Mr. Kadivar's and Mr. Ostaad's."

I have a job interview tomorrow, hope I don't remember this sentence, otherwise the laughter will not allow me to answer the questions!

 


Jaleho

Excuse me Farah khanoom, you said,

by Jaleho on

"I can't understand why hate is given such a bad press? "

Me neither! but then you go on to say:

"If hate is bad, so is love. Hate and love are the two sides of the same coin like darkness and light. "

OK, so you decided to prove that love is opposite of hate. Not sure what's the point is in all of this, but OK! Now, why in the world did you decide to go and undo your own argument, in a voice that you like most of the time-lecturing others how silly they are not to get the point- ...and you continue:

"Do you know what is the opposte of love? Apathy - not hate. "

I am a bit confused! I mean, who was talking about hate being the opposite of love instead of apathy being opposite of love except you yourself?! Just sayin' that you can get REAL tricky ;-)


capt_ayhab

Golden 2 zari

by capt_ayhab on

For once let me play the arrogant @sshole I am always called.

That was some Golden 2 zari I should say.

Ms. Jaleho, we both hate each others guts, but your absence is inexcusable, as it is Mr. Kadivar's and Mr. Ostaad's.

-YT 


Jaleho

Dear Bijan, actually this was the best 2 zari

by Jaleho on

That I have heard of Capt. recently:

"One gentleman,  out of goodness of his heart is proposing possible starvation of few million, in order to stop war against the same few million who might otherwise get murdered in the war they are trying to prevent.[Quick death vs slow and agonizing one]

When the other gentleman, again out of goodness of his heart approving the same action, dictating what those people on the rooftops should or should not say, setting the strategic goal for the people who are in the front line, ..."

What do you have against this except the fact that it best summarized the crocodile tears of you and Fred, wrapping a savage message against Iranians in a pretty package?


capt_ayhab

Mr. Bijan AM

by capt_ayhab on

Seems to me that you are the one who is insisting, by commenting that you have no interest on commenting.

Have I got it correct so far?

Then why comment on my measly 2 zari?

-YT 

P/S calling you a good cop ain't such a bad thing is it?


Bijan A M

Please read my note

by Bijan A M on

I said  “I don’t really think that anything meaningful will come out of these exchanges“.  Why do you push it? You have NO IDEA where I stand when it comes to the threat to Iran’s independence. Keep on barking all your nonsense about Israel. It has no value when it comes to facing realities on the ground. So, be my guest, jump up and down. Israel is evil, wipe them off the map, screw those Zionists, push’m to the sea.

 
Are you happy now? So what? Where is it taking you with your own people? You didn’t like my comment about “allah-o Akbar”? Are you saying religion should be part of Iranian constitution and dictate how the government should run? Fine. Now we know where you stand. No hard feeling. But, I vehemently oppose that view and do everything in my power to make my views known. No thugs can stop it here in the free world. You have to go back under IRR’s umbrella if you want to use force to shut me up (it is sad that you can’t).

So, please stop this nonsense Vatanforoush stuff and get out of the way…..   


Farah Rusta

About hate ...

by Farah Rusta on

I can't understand why hate is given such a bad press? If hate is bad, so is love. Hate and love are the two sides of the same coin like darkness and light.

 

Do you know what is the opposte of love? Apathy - not hate.

 

FR


capt_ayhab

asking me?

by capt_ayhab on

Do I look like a nick name dictionary to you? I only know what to call people who hate Iranains, or hate in general for that fact.

Why don't you ask the [good cop bad cop] getlemen here?

 

-YT 


vildemose

What should we call

by vildemose on

What should we call Supporters of IRR or upporters of butcher Ahmadinejad and Khameni? Are they not Vatan forush, traitors? what should we call those who aid and abet the survival of the IRI?


capt_ayhab

Shepesh

by capt_ayhab on

Sweet dreams give my regards to you know who......

-YT 


capt_ayhab

Mr. Bijan AM

by capt_ayhab on

Asides from being rich, which I am not, you got the rest perfectly correct.

Anyone, of any nationality, origin, ethnicity etc etc,  who calls for hardship, war or otherwise on people of Iran, while claiming or pretending to be Iranian is either VATAN FOROSH or a hater of Iranian people.

If you see any argument in this, I will be more than happy to open a dialogue with you.

Respectfully

-YT 

P/S The characters I mentioned  deserve no more than the 2 zari's that I have in my pocket anyhow.


Bijan A M

Somebody is really rich

by Bijan A M on

This gentleman throws out 2-zaris left and right. Wow, he has a lotta 2-zaris….. showing up in the middle of any debate, throwing a 2-zari and calling some people vatanforoush, some bi-vatan, and some……. Sir, so that your 2-zari is not wasted, I have been born and raised in Iran, don’t know and can’t speak or understand any other language than Farsi or English. I cannot read Arabic, have not read Koran or any other holy book for that matter. Can’t speak or understand Turkish. I have Iranian as well as American passport.  I don’t know what you will call me, but I know for sure I am Iranian-American. If you have any problem with that, I can’t help you, sir.

This is not your first time. You have, repeatedly played this game before, and I don’t really think that anything meaningful will come out of these exchanges. Please save your 2-zari for another blog.

With all due respects.    


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I was not saying you, it

by Shepesh on

I was not saying you, it was a general comment about the fighting that goes on in blogs, people losing their tempers. I do not want sanctions or war for the millionth time. But I have no end say in it. They (IRI) will behave as they will and US will do whatever they want. And I do not care what people shout, that is irrelevant to me. But I understand where others are coming from when they say it should not be Islamic. But these are only words in a blog. They mean NOTHING. In my opinion the only thing us civilians can do is to write about Hman Rights and put pressure about that on the West to be part of negotiations. Sadly I think that is the only thing we have a power in doing. But I may be wrong.

I am so tired, off for bed and thanks for the discussion.


capt_ayhab

Shepesh

by capt_ayhab on

Did I do any foshing that I am not aware of? Or was it simple observation of the facts that got you upset?

Exposing the agenda does not qualify as FOSHation. Besides, faith of a nation is not subject of any discussion. If you believe that it is, lets pick another nation and discuss the hell out their faith. Just out of the blue, Lets pick some country that has been building settlements in the occupied land despite objections of every nation. Lets propagate sanction about them. Can you stand that?

Lets leave Iran for Iranians who live there, fight there and are ones who have to face the consequence of either devastating war or debilitating sanctions. Who are we to say what they should shout from the roof top?

-YT 


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Captain

by Shepesh on

I dont know how many times to say this, but we are just having a DISCUSSION. How else are we to get a better understanding of topics etc? Do not set the rules of who is vatanoparast and who is not. We are discussing and trying to sort things out in our heads. But if we just "foosh midim" we will silence people (intimidate) and that does nothing for working and thinking as a group of Iranians. You do not know of peoples circumstances, where they live, what they are going through. So try not to form a judgement of them . Lets just discuss. I promise you Obama and Ahmadinejad are not going to be reading our comments and would not even care. 


capt_ayhab

2 zari

by capt_ayhab on

Appears that couple of gentlemen here are playing [good cop, bad cop] and few that are cheering the show.

One gentleman,  out of goodness of his heart is proposing possible starvation of few million, in order to stop war against the same few million who might otherwise get murdered in the war they are trying to prevent.[Quick death vs slow and agonizing one]

When the other gentleman, again out of goodness of his heart approving the same action, dictating what those people on the rooftops should or should not say, setting the strategic goal for the people who are in the front line, people who are in the jails, and people who are going to get either long term jail sentences or be hanged etc etc..... in softer and gentler words, All from comfort of cozy living rooms, in pajamas and behind worn-out keyboards of their computer.

As to the cheering crowd, where do they fit? Are they going to get some important governmental post when the first two conquare the Iran?

I have but one humble question, prove that you are Iranian first, then we shall take it from there.

-YT 

P/S ........... How afraid of dying do you think those young brave souls are?


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Well done

by Shepesh on

A true child of IRI. I think the term Lady was too kind for you.


Bijan A M

Tactics vs. goal

by Bijan A M on

Fred, I hope you are right.  If you believe people have learned separation of mosque and state the hard way, we are almost there. People will pour out in millions next time. The same way they did 30 years ago. We just need to stay out of it and only give them, as you have been screaming, our moral and material support. They can do it….(call it wishful thinking, if you like).


IRANdokht

Shepesh

by IRANdokht on

I don't mind if you go disgussing or even actually discuss anything, I have read enough of these idiotic comments about Iranians in Iran and what they should and should not do from these cowards.

Anyway, are you our mobser or the hall monitor?I would ask you to get off your high horse but the image of a shepesh getting off a horse is a little yucky. Just stay there ;-)

IRANdokht


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Bijan jan

by Shepesh on

I know. Anyway, good luck. I admire you for trying to have a discussion with people that just try to throw mud at others all the time. I'll exit. Life is too short to bother with them.


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Well done lady , just what

by Shepesh on

Well done lady , just what one expects from the likes of you. Personal attack and sarcasm, meaningless and weak. Why not just discuss the article? I read your post of just a personal attack to this person, nothing else. That is why it struck. But I suppose it is your style.

And do you think by choosing a name with "Iran" in it you are there to judge everyone? Get off your high horse madam. 

Anyway noone is going to listen to any of us, we are just disgussing.


IRANdokht

Bijan

by IRANdokht on

Go prepare a list of slogans you want Iranians to risk their lives to chant.

IRANdokht