Iranian of the Day

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merci bien

Thanks, Rosie-Roxy-Roshan...

And Azar, too. 

Let's be good sports!

I like this new Q! If he is just a lonely guy he is no different

from most of us here so he should fit right in. Actually right after I wrote this I found a post by him on the Madonna green video submission from last week. It was quite intelligent and he had read the whole thread! Obviously he would've had to dig the submission up, it's no longer current, so he seems to be very interested in the site. I am finding the new compulsory registration to be a very positive force. Even since our conversation I am noticing very intelligent, articulate and fair-minded people coming out and speaking. Probably they were mainly readers and occasional posters before which means their minds were more important to them than their mouths.

Now that they have to register perhaps they will enjoy the sheer pleassure (hahaha) of being part of the (pathologically dysfunctional) family and will ratchet up the discourse. That is why I admire New Q's sticktoitiveness in combing for the Taraneh submissions and giving inpput with documentation. It is professional to be meticulous and we need more professionally-minded people on the political/humanitarian end here. I am currently on the Dabashi thread on the homepage. I am seeing the same thing happen there. You won't see it yet since most of what I've written so far is the usual try to mediate, get a bunch of screaming and wind up screaming back. But I have a draft of a reply to one new guy Ben and this looks to be one helluva guy.

That would be my only hope to continue to put the energy into the site that I have been applying, the new people. That way I would have the same outcome we were talking about: to be able to make a real journalistic contribution. It could happen on the threads!  If it starts working out in the next say week, then I am going to set up my own mailing list and start writing blogs again and inform people so they will know they're there, featured or not. They will be political and hopefully we can have meaningful discussions to further the cohesion of the movement onsite and its outreach. So we shall see what we shall see.

Having said all that-and that was a mouthful, whether or not she even exists as a name to match the photo, and whatever did or didn't happen, there are many metaphorical Taranehs, female AND male, especially in terms of the brutal rapes.I have a feeling the numbers are staggering.  And we will never know about them, due to the taboo. Hopefully Sohrab will be the only death to come out of the prison system when the rest of the 'detainees' are released. To be perfectly realistic, I..well I don't want to jinx anybody so I'll say nothing.

You take care too. No need to reply unless you feel like.   :oP

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ps bienvenu, new q!

My dear Roshan,

Between us, I'm mostly teasing this new Q! I have no opinion about someone who's been member here since yesterday!! But considering the quality of his blog, it's just one lonely guy my dear!

At the same time I can't let go of Taraneh...with my usual "what if"s. Plus that picture of hers and how sweet she looks. Her story can be the first chapter of a longer story.

Again, it was lovely talking with you about everything and nothing! I hope that this news is really hoax and nobody's dead and it's just us imagining things...

Take care, Azarin 

Totally confused. Azarin

Can't' read the Persian, what am I missing? I understand your concerns, Azarin. We talked about The whole thing is very disturbing and I think in a way particularly for me because of that one horrible day I had to be all alone here with the 'knowledge', having posted the item from huffpost and it having not been seen due to non-featuring. Desperately trying to disseminate the news, angry, traumatized...then the next day the death announcement featured and this post we're on now, and other stuff related we talked about, not pertinent to this conversation but very disturbing.

So what gives now? Are you saying the new Q has been here trying to discredit the movment's claims in general? I am only aware of him coming to the various Tarineh submissions to clarify things, which, as you know, I feel is the right thing to do despite the lingering doubts and concerns. So I attributed his posts to simply taking responsibiity for proper dissemination of information by Internet  for the reputabillity and cohesion of the movement, rather than the opposite. I also assumed his intention in signing up here was to do just that, as I was not aware of any other postings of his. However I do have to admit that I have restricted my focus onsite very much these past few days and have not 'visited' that many other threads.

Do you think he has a larger agenda?

One way or the other, this thing nags and gnaws at me, won't let go...you too, I think.

to QLineOrientalist

It seems that during your few hours on Iranian.com you've only added the same comment on every article about Taraneh.

Then, reading your blog was a real pain due to its poor quality(because most of the links were not working and so your argument could not be verified.

The only thing that was clear was that in many of your articles you've been trying to discredit protest videos regarding the recent events...to show and prove that they are hoax.

Anyway you can believe whatever you want to. Fortunately for you and me, we are living in a free country where the freedom of speech is the law and is respected...unfortunately for Taraneh and her family it has never been the case, and this is her real tragedy.  

Why didn't Huffington Post disclaim or at least

explain subsequently their prominently featured article (not blog item)?

Very disappointed in them.

Existence

Well, fine, go and believe in the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus while you're at it, there is just as much reason to believe in them as in Taraneh. As for my picture, if you'd bothered to really visit my blog, you'd see my picture there instead of my icon. (Good thing I didn't use a goldfish as an icon like most Iranian.com people! I don't know *what* you'd've thought of that!)

As for my doing this just to promote my blog, I cannot prove or disprove that. But what about the people who perpetrated this obvious hoax? You don't think they were trying to promote themselves by doing this?

By perpetrating such a transparent hoax, they are bringing the integrity of the freedom movement under question. On my blog, I have identified about a dozen examples of this kind of blatant and stupid lying. This kind of lying makes it easier for the regime to discredit the movement.

If you want to respond to me, do yourself the favor of first actually reading what I wrote about why the case is a fraud and then coming up with and expanation of why you disagree with me. Otherwise, you're not really worth bothering with.

to QLineOrientalist

Thank you! Even if your personal blog wasn't very credible, but I found it very amusing...still I think Taraneh Mousavi does exist as much as you do exist! You're a member on IC since 10 hours ago and you're here just to promote your own blog! 

I even think that Taraneh exists more than you, even if she's dead. At least her picture looks real and current...:-) If she's a hoax, then you should be a hoax too...because you didn't exist until Taraneh stopped existing!

This is almost certainly a hoax

We have absolutely zero evidence that the alleged victim ever existed.

Get a grip!

Here is a detailed investigation based on the three blogs which started this story going.

//www.qlineorientalist.com/IranRises/taraneh-...

This sort of rumor-mongering is hurting the cause and we have to resolutley drive it out of the movement. 

Chill out, Rosie!

You're a little too opinionated, too trigger happy, too everything.  Just relax a little and think before you start typing in future.  And don’t bother to respond.  I’ve made my point and am out of here.

Siiiiighhhhhhhh...Asghar...

re-read. Retract. Stop taking out of context what I said. Stop mischaracterizing me. Stop mischaracterizing that entire interaction concerning the girl in the picture between Jaleho and me. Stop taking my provoked extreme words out of cntext to make me look terrible. Re-read retract, stop twisting me into a pretzel:

//iranian.com/main/comment/reply/72403/197314

and THEN I'll talk to you about whether I'm 'confused' about YOUR ideas.

Your call.

Rosie, you're very confused

Read my post again. I didn't say we have to take any rumour as gospel.  I grew up during the Iranian revolution.  I was a very young eye witness to the massacre at Djaleh square in Tehran. I realize the power of urban myths in firing up the poeple especially when it comes to raping of a young girl, especially a people like Iranians with their code of honour.  I mentioned that stuff coming out about this girl is sketchy.  After all, you're the one who called another poster "a cunt and an asshole" in reference to her disrespect to Ms. Mousavi story.  My point is that it's the regime's moral and ethical failure vis a vis press freedom that makes such atmosphere possible. Also, knowing this regime and its agents first hand I can see how they could do such a thing (These are people who call a non believer a "najes", unclean. Their base is medieval)  But when they are intimidating families such as Neda's for holding memorials for their kids, how the hell can you really evalute stories such as these objectively? What else can you do but trust eye witness reports?  Btw, I can read Persian, happen to have a brain and don't need Javid (whom I like and respect) to think for me.

Nope.

The only what I'd call primary news source (as opposed to the sources from which the stories originate--maybe my 'lingo's" wrong, I hope I'm being clear..) remains Huffington Post which still has the article I found two days ago in which the current details are unclear.

Daily Kos, which I'd call I guess a second tier source runs Huffington's article, just like I did..

and the rest of them are really these obscure 'cherry pickers'...

in fact absence of first and second tier sources is so extreme that we are on the first page of google.

Close to MKO's website, btw.

So Asghar, which would you like us to aspire to be like?

I don't understand this..Asghar..

when I go into my tracking I still see this post, and when I click on it it's there, but when I look at the home page, it's been removed.

So Ashgar, how is it you are here? I guess the posting was just moved 'below', but I can't find it that way.

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Asghar, of COURSE it all makes perfect sense. If it's not true, that's what the person who made it up would want...I'm not saying it isn't true, I'm just saing that either way it makes sense that it makes sense.

Now it's interesting because I posted on her the day before the article came out that said she was dead, which led to the Iranian of the Day feature.

The article I'd posted was very unclear as to her whereabouts and her condition at present, only about the preceding events.

And it was on Huffington Post, and they're the gold standard, so if they posted anything about her, it should be credible. But they did NOT say she was dead.

And NIAC hasn't picked it up AT ALL and that's VERY strange. And unless something JUST changed, the only sites that picked it up are third tier ones, that pick the news off of other sites like cherries, they're not REALLY 'newspapers'.

And I did a google image search on her and there was only one and that was very strange.

Asghar, we HAVE to be faithful to journalistic standards, as much as possible, and as imperfect as they are. They provide..something.

When we don't do that, WE become the propagandists. OR worse still, we build our world on wishful thinking...and then we spread it..around.

It's not of course that anyone WISHES she's dead, god forbid, but to argue that it's true just because we know the monsters are monsters when the item has been seriously questioned by serious journalists...no. We can't do that.

Unfortunately, I can't read the Persian link. But I don't have to you see, because I know that I can trust Jahanshah's judgment about it...

it's reliable enough that we should wait.

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Well..time has passed. I shall check niac again.

JJ, the link you left stinks

Look, anyone who knows this regime and its lumpen base cannot have any doubt that they have and would resort to this kind of despicable tactics.  Your experience with the IRI I'm afraid was of the reified intellectual type.  The Basiji are recruited from amongst the most backward groups of the population. These are people who believe a woman coming out of the house and demonstrating is a whore.  That's their starting point.  Do you think they'd have any problem with gang raping a pretty girl to intimidate her?  Didn't you ever hear the expression "dar-e koonet mizareem, root kam beshe."  Rape is a form of terrorism.  That being said, of course the details of this story are sketchy.  If these assholes wouldn't shut down all news outlets and arrest all journalists; if they wouldn't intimidate anyone who dares talking about anything then we would be able to get to the bottom of things.  This is like Meydoon Jaleh massacre or Cinema Rex during the Shah.  The onus is on the regime to prove otherwise since it is the aggressor, the one who has pushed news gathering underground. Anyone who says otherwise is more likely than not a regime apologist. 

Sources

More evidence is needed to prove this case. See Mehdi Jami's points in doubting this story:
//newsbaan.com/blog/3239

How many?

Think about it. For weeks these 'detainees' so-called (i.e. PRISONERS) have been missing. IRI itself admitted in official press this week they don't have records of all of them. Now they're starting to appear..

Sohrab comes out in a body bag. Two days later this girl....

I'm afraid this is the tip of the iceberg. How many will come out raped and suicidal, how many will come out missing an eye or paralyzed, how many will come out in comas, how many in body bags? How many will never come out?

five? fifteen? fifty? five h..? For christ's sake, they pulled these kids out of hospital beds and dragged them to Evin Prison...

how many?

And as far as rape victims go who survive...and there have been many brutal brutal rapes of  females and men..they're so ashamed to talk about it...and yet still the buzzes have abounded for weeks on the tweets and so forth...

and those are the ones that aren't still 'detained' and it already happened to so many of them...so...

between those two factors, the real numbers must be...

staggering.

Staggering beyond belief.

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There is going to be a wrath, a sound of fury, yet to come...contact your friends and relatives in Iran NOW by PHONE and make sure they understand that all costs this Friday prayer must be PEACEFUL...because more martyrs..WON'T HELP.

Go to: www.niacblog.wordpress.com to see Mousavi's comments from his facebook page about conduct during the demonstration at the sermon.

marg bar marg.

Islamist routine

From the very inception of the Islamist cutthroats republic to this very moment, rape, that most bestial of bestial act has always been a part of the regime’s M.O. of repression and reward to its supporters. And it is not limited to just raping of teenage girls prior to execution to preclude their innocence assuring entry into heaven.

There are mountains of first hand evidence of routine raping of arrested women of all ages and also some men.

When this Islamist regime falls, and it will, a whole lot of its supporter will have a lot of explaining to do, if not in a court of law, certainly to their offspring and acquaintances.

Thank you Jahanshah!

She is so gorgeous...with green eyes. I'm mad and heartbroken for her, for her parents...She has been an only child. Oh my...