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readstheFACTS, here is some 2x2

The fact is that all the ketabhay aasemani were written by the earthly hands of the mortals, the diciples of the prophits, yet notwithstanding the facts they are still asemani.

"...you should also follow their path" What kind of a logic is that. You should follow the path of all x-moslems or there is at least 72 different version of Islam to choose from, the only problem is the risk of getting your neck on the noose.
Do you have any idea how many good people would love to leave islam but are scared to death. And are you aware how many corrupted moslems have stayed behind often as leaders just to take advantage of people with your kind of facts.
Have you ever considered the Satanic Verses as facts? Have you any idea how many volumes of books, factual, written that reject Mohammad and his claim.

The fact is that 1.19 billion moslems consider shia a cult. The fact is that most of the world rejects Mohammad, and his book.
Arent these enough facts, 2+2 type!!
DO THESE FACTS MATTER? You answer to yourself first. And there are still more facts but noone of your kind can handle it without bloodshed. Is there any hope that one of your Ulaamaa can teach you how to live, and not stir trouble, the world is standing by!

Re: to AbidM

>thats a farce lie. Many bahais have participated in politics, even though you try so hard not to associate with the Hoveydas, they were Bahais, no question about it.

No my friend, the only lie here is that Hoveyda was a Baha'i. Let me clear up two things:

1. Fereydoun Hoveyda, Amir-Abbas Hoveyda's brother, stated that the Baha'i Faith was never mentioned in their family. He first learned of the term when he was 14, and he learned what it meant from a friend. (Abbas Milani (2000), The Persian Sphinx: Amir Abbas Hoveyda and the Riddle of the Iranian Revolution, Mage Publishers, Washington DC, p. 47.)

2. Amir-Abbas Hoveyda actually became a Freemason in 1960 (Naraghi, Ehsan (1994). From Palace to Prison; Inside the Iranian Revolution. London: I.B. Taurus & Co Ltd. p. 43. ISBN 185043704), and according to a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi, Guardian of the Baha'i Faith, Freemasons could not be Baha'is concurrently. 

Now then, Hoveyda's father, Mirza Habibu'llah, was a Baha'i for some time but he began drifting away from the religion after he married Afsaru’l-Múlk, a Muslim and granddaughter of one of Násiri’d-Dín Sháh’s sisters, in 1918. Mirza Habibu'llah also began accepting political positions in Iran and elsewhere beginning in 1921, which eventually led to his disenrollment. This is recounted in www.velvelehdarshahr.com, which employs a vast gamut of sources for its information.

Your apparent distaste for apolitical preferences (which does not necessarily make one pro-British in the hypothetical scenario you presented; that's like saying if you're in good health and not in Iraq fighting the war on terror, you advocate Islamofascism) is your own opinion and you are entitled to it.

>none of it is fabricated. It is all with credible evidence.

Au contraire; it's all fabricated, just like the Dolgorukov Memoirs. According to Kayhan, Adamiyyat once noted that that Arthur Conolly, a British officer, met Mulla Husayn (the first Babi) in 1830 and then tried to get the latter to convince the Bab to create a movement that would stir up disunity in Shi'a Islam. The only problem is that in 1830, Mulla Husayn was 17 and the Bab was 11 at most. Adamiyyat also "substantiates" this assertion with a reference to Conolly's book, "Journey to the North of India Overland from England through Russia, Persia, and Affghaunistaun" However, there is absolutely nothing regarding a meeting between him and Mulla Husayn in that text.

>Again, IF Abbas Effendi did really receive it for humanitarian aid in Palestine, they why is the certificate missing, show the world the certificate. why not? if you are so righteous.

To be quite frank with you I have never even heard of such a certificate up until you referenced the aforementioned delusional individual. And what would such a certificate prove? That he was actually knighted? We already have the photograph of that in addition to notes by people who were actually there, and nowhere in those notes have I ever seen any reference being made to such a certificate.

FYI, the individual you quote asserts in that exact same blog entry that the Will and Testament of `Abdu'l-Baha is fictitious, which is a ridiculous and baseless assertion which has already been thoroughly refuted by Udo Schaefer, a Baha'i scholar, in what is arguably one of the most notable contributions to Baha'i apologetics to this day: "Making the Crooked Straight." That blog and its author are not reliable sources.

>If it is so obvious that he did it for humanitarian work, then why hide it? why not come out in the open. why not bring forth real proof that he did really do "humanitarian" work.

With pleasure, my friend:

//ahang.rabbani.googlepages.com/abu-sinan

There's where `Abdu'l-Baha did a considerable amount of his humanitarian work during WWI, and as you can see from the "Sources" section, it is most certainly a credible source. Let it be known that the Baha'is have nothing to hide from anyone sincerely seeking information on these subjects.

>right, that is why he was a British knight when people in Iran hated the British

The British wanted to knight him in 1920 so `Abdu'l-Baha consented. You are aggrandizing a moment in history to the point where it has become absolutely ridiculous and completely baseless. 

>I am really amused by how certain bahais try to portray themselves as so "Iranian loving" while in reality all of their political and social positions are inclined to Westerners.

Please elaborate on how our political and social positions are inclined to Westerners.

>The act of separation. The act of backing foreigners in dividing Iran.

Get me a credible source on Baha'is *actually* backing foreigners; Arthur Conolly and the knighthood obviously don't count. My forthcoming book will truly put all of these discrepancies to rest - I'm just counting the days.

>oh yea I forgot the bahais are always trying to discredit him b/c oh well, he stopped the British plans in Iran.

I've never seen any Baha'is trying to discredit Amir Kabir; the only time we even really mention him in Babi-Baha'i history is when we recount how he gave the order to execute the Bab.

>I am sorry for your lack of understanding, but the British were hated in Iran by the Iranian people.

I never doubted that for a second.

>If effendi really cared, he obviously would not have been on their side.

At the very least call him Abbas Effendi so I don't get him confused with his grandson, Shoghi Effendi. And he did not take any political sides; your only source for affirming that he allegedly did so was his knighthood, which is like saying Hoveyda wanted to take over the world because he was a Freemason (only you wouldn't say that because you believe he was a Baha'i which is a fallacious notion as I've proven above).

>[The Baha'i Faith and Ahmadiyya] have the same exact structure.

Last I checked, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad did not advocate independence from religious ecclesiaticals, nor did he promote spiritual equality between men and women or call for a leading institution like today's Universal House of Justice - a key structural difference. Actually, virtually all of our fundamental tenets which don't come from Islam are quite different.

>while the other (bahais) were not given such luxury and decided to morph otherwise.

No, Baha'u'llah's intent was to break away from Islam from the very beginning - if you read the Kitab-i-Iqan you'll understand that. If he didn't, we'd be as close to Mirza Ahmad as you allege.

>w/o communication technology I am sure that you would believe there were WMDs there

Or without reading the Dolgorukov Memoirs for yourself I'm sure you'd believe that he and the Bab regularly smoked hashish together just because Ali-Javaher Kalam or your father/grandfather said so, right? Sorry, but Baha'is believe in independent investigation of truth; we generally go and conduct our own dispassionate research on subjects before drawing conclusions.

>due to communication technology people are more "educated" today

Correct, and that's why our religion continues to grow. 

>The last thing anyone would call me is un-educated. 

I called your guess uneducated, not you.

>It is very interesting that bahai born, raised and bread intellectuals like Ehsan Yarshater all denounce their religion, I think there might be something to that

In that case, there's something there for every Shi'a Muslim who renounces their religion and begins writing polemical works about it. 

to AbidM

"Also, non-involvement in partisan politics has always been part and parcel of the Baha'i Faith. Have we forgotten that some Baha'is actually wanted to take part in the Constitutional Revolution in the early 20th century but `Abdu'l-Baha advised against it?"

>> thats a farce lie. Many bahais have participated in politics, even though you try so hard not to associate with the Hoveydas, they were Bahais, no question about it. The constitutional movement in Iran was a national movement, not necessarily a political one. If effendi cared about Iran he would have joined. It is like saying that some American didnt want to join the American revolution because they were apolitical. That is the logic you are coming forth with. So if effendi was American, what would he have done during the time of the American revolution? he would have taken the pro-British apolitical lane or would he have ran away to Canada?

"You mean a basic examination of the *fabricated* Baha'i history in Iran written by the likes of Adamiyyat and Kasravi."


>> none of it is fabricated. It is all with credible evidence. Again, IF Abbas Effendi did really receive it for humanitarian aid in Palestine, they why is the certificate missing, show the world the certificate. why not? if you are so righteous.

"The person who wrote the text on that page has also alleged that certain Baha'is are Internet terrorists "


>> He might have made extra allegations but you still have not answered the main question.

"He was granted knighthood because of his humanitarian activities in Palestine during World War I"

>> well where is the proof? where is the certificate? how can we just "accept" what you are saying with out seeing the certificate. If it is so obvious that he did it for humanitarian work, then why hide it? why not come out in the open. why not bring forth real proof that he did really do "humanitarian" work.

"Absolutely incorrect and totally unsubstantiated. On the contrary, `Abdu'l-Baha held Iran in the highest regard. Please peruse these first few pages of "The Secret of Divine Civilization":"

>> right, that is why he was a British knight when people in Iran hated the British. It is easy to claim and "promote" loving Iran. The British and the Americans and every foreign influence in Iran did so as well as if it was in the Iranian national interest to be on their side. I am really amused by how certain bahais try to portray themselves as so "Iranian loving" while in reality all of their political and social positions are inclined to Westerners.

"What acts? Please name something that has not already been discredited."


>>The act of separation. The act of backing foreigners in dividing Iran. I remember a great Iranian named Amir Kabir, oh yea, who did a lot for Iran in the short time that he was in power. oh yea I forgot the bahais are always trying to discredit him b/c oh well, he stopped the British plans in Iran.


>>How about when you (the bahais) were always taking the British side of events? thats not "acts", then I am sorry what is?


>>I am sorry for your lack of understanding, but the British were hated in Iran by the Iranian people. I think you really need to get that into your head. If effendi really cared, he obviously would not have been on their side.

"Almost identical beliefs? I guess you overlooked the fact that Ahmadiyyihs consider themselves to be genuine Muslims. Baha'is state that they are an independent world religion, and not a branch of Islam any more than Christianity is of Judaism. "

>> Indeed they identical in their rise and basic beliefs. They have both morphed into two different things to adjust to the farce people might believe. Both founders started out as the Messiah, then they became prophets and just out of your luck effendi couldn't produce a son to continue his "prophet line" while your religious siblings in Pakistan were able to do so. The fundamentals of both are the same. They have the same exact structure. The only "difference" per your words is that one tried to announce themselves as Muslims (which they are not) while the other (bahais) were not given such luxury and decided to morph otherwise. Their underlining methodology is the same and neither were able to coerce themselves with Abrahamic religions or their beliefs. Obviously because they are baseless.

"Furthermore, Baha'u'llah went from Iran to Iraq to Turkey to Israel. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad's influence lay primarily in India and Pakistan. There is no record of any collusion between the two, if that's what you're insinuating. On the contrary - when Mirza Ahmad began the Ahmadiyya branch in 1889, Baha'u'llah was under house arrest in Bahji at Akka, present-day Israel."




>> that has nothing to do with what I said, you are just trying to dilute the facts to divert the conversation. I never said the two colluded on anything. They were both influenced, supported and practically founded by the British and the Russians. Lets see, maybe the Brits and Russians took different geographical paths so that what would exactly not happen? They would not collide and people would be like "oh wait, these guys are alike and add 2+2 and figure out the rest"

"And FYI: "Bahaism" is outdated, it's called the Baha'i Faith."

>> call it what you want. It wont legitimize anything.


Hypothetical situations don't really matter when the reality of it has already taken place, and the conclusion you've drawn here is an uneducated guess on your part at best.


>> right. they are "hypothetical". I dont think that you would dare to disagree that due to communication technology people are more "educated" today and see the farce from reality better than before. Lets say, the Iraq war WMD issue, w/o communication technology I am sure that you would believe there were WMDs there. They would clearly be able to draw the line. You are just in a state of denial. The last thing anyone would call me is un-educated.


>>Now that you would like to open the discussion on education. It is very interesting that bahai born, raised and bread intellectuals like Ehsan Yarshater all denounce their religion, I think there might be something to that.. you should also follow their path.

To readstheFACTS

>To me that just shows how the bahais are and have always been an anti-nationalistic force within Iran.

Sorry, but Niloufar Behzayie and Khosro Shemiranie - the organizers of the list - aren't Baha'is, and I'm positive that a Baha'i didn't create that logo. Also, non-involvement in partisan politics has always been part and parcel of the Baha'i Faith. Have we forgotten that some Baha'is actually wanted to take part in the Constitutional Revolution in the early 20th century but `Abdu'l-Baha advised against it?

> A basic examination of bahai history in Iran will prove to any loyal Iranian that the bahai faith is a hoax.

You mean a basic examination of the *fabricated* Baha'i history in Iran written by the likes of Adamiyyat and Kasravi. Tying us to foreign powers (including the British) no longer holds any credibility, my friend:

//tinyurl.com/irimyths/

>However, interestingly enough, the actual certificate of knighthood was never published or released (the certificate explains why they were granted knighthood, you have to be given knighthood for a specific act). One must ask, what is so secret about the certificate that no one can see it?

The person who wrote the text on that page has also alleged that certain Baha'is are Internet terrorists without any credible proof whatsoever and even claimed prophethood for himself around the turn of the century. If you had any idea who he was, you would not be seriously quoting him or give his statements any credence.

>Why at the height of Iranian Anglo problems and when the Iranian nation as a whole dis-liked the British, was the highest authority of bahaism granted knighthood??? Why did he accept it?

He was granted knighthood because of his humanitarian activities in Palestine during World War I, namely allaying a widespread famine through distribution and storage of grain. He accepted the title out of courtesy; in reality, he didn't even want it and never actually used the title "Sir Abbas Effendi." 

>Obviously to him Iran was not important enough nor the will of the Iranian people. 

Absolutely incorrect and totally unsubstantiated. On the contrary, `Abdu'l-Baha held Iran in the highest regard. Please peruse these first few pages of "The Secret of Divine Civilization":

//reference.bahai.org/en/t/ab/SDC/sdc-1.html

>He and the bahai people should be sorry to the Iranian nation for their acts.

What acts? Please name something that has not already been discredited.

>Why is it so interesting that bahaism came to rise at the same time as the Ahmadiyya of Pakistan, with almost identical beliefs!! 

Almost identical beliefs? I guess you overlooked the fact that Ahmadiyyihs consider themselves to be genuine Muslims. Baha'is state that they are an independent world religion, and not a branch of Islam any more than Christianity is of Judaism. Furthermore, Baha'u'llah went from Iran to Iraq to Turkey to Israel. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad's influence lay primarily in India and Pakistan. There is no record of any collusion between the two, if that's what you're insinuating. On the contrary - when Mirza Ahmad began the Ahmadiyya branch in 1889, Baha'u'llah was under house arrest in Bahji at Akka, present-day Israel.

And FYI: "Bahaism" is outdated, it's called the Baha'i Faith.

>If this happened today with today's communication technology, bahaism would have no room for growth as everyone would see the hoax behind it. 

Hypothetical situations don't really matter when the reality of it has already taken place, and the conclusion you've drawn here is an uneducated guess on your part at best.

no one should be sorry

I find it disrespectful to put a picture of Iran and then print "sorry" on it. To me that just shows how the bahais are and have always been an anti-nationalistic force within Iran. Iran and Iranians should not be sorry for anything.

Iran is held together by its Shia religious beliefs, whether you like to accept it or not, it is a soci-political fact. Any modern political fact book will tell you that. Just as some Western countries and even Eastern ones see certain beliefs and structures against their national security, bahaism is against Iran's natural national security. Henceforth, it is natural for any government ruling Iran to block their progress as we have seen in the past 150+ years.

Even if that argument is not correct. A basic examination of bahai history in Iran will prove to any loyal Iranian that the bahai faith is a hoax. The bahais have always been very close to the British, who were always trying to interfere in Iranian affairs. The height of their interferences was during the Qajar period. During that time, bahaism was established with their help and Abbas Effendi the high reigning bahai authority received knighthood from the British throne. However, interestingly enough, the actual certificate of knighthood was never published or released (the certificate explains why they were granted knighthood, you have to be given knighthood for a specific act). One must ask, what is so secret about the certificate that no one can see it? (//bahai-digest.blogspot.com/2007/07/where-is-...)

Why at the height of Iranian Anglo problems and when the Iranian nation as a whole dis-liked the British, was the highest authority of bahaism granted knighthood??? Why did he accept it? obviously to him Iran was not important enough nor the will of the Iranian people.
He and the bahai people should be sorry to the Iranian nation for their acts.

Why is it so interesting that bahaism came to rise at the same time as the Ahmadiyya of Pakistan (//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya), with almost identical beliefs!! Why is it that the same kind of belief and separation also took place around the same time with the advent of Wahhabism and the Mahdi of Sudan. Why? If this happened today with today's communication technology, bahaism would have no room for growth as everyone would see the hoax behind it.

who is Baha'i and who is not

Well it is really sad that after all these years we still are thining and acting so childish and stupid.
are we justifing our barbaruos actions towards Baha'is because the shah had a minister who was a Baha'i?Well assuming there was a Baha'i in the Government now we have to torture,harase and kill other Baha'is.I like to remind you that 99.99% of the ministers were moslem and the shah himself claimed and confirmed that he is a moslem.Now because of that we have to kill,torture and take away all the basic human rghts from all the moslems in iran.grow up for god sake.we love to be called Engineer(MOHANDES) and doctor(DOkTOR)but it seems those people in african desert and amazon forest are way ahead of us and you know they did not go to school to become stupid.

The other two

Jamshid Amoozegar was never a Baha'i, and this is the first time that I have ever heard anyone associate him with that religion.

And here is an excerpt from my forthcoming book, "Debunking the Myths," regarding Asadu'llah Sani'i:

"Asadu'llah Sani'i was appointed Iran’s Minister of Defense by the Sháh. Sani’í was a Bahá'í. Thus, the Iranian Bahá'í community advised him to resign from his post. The Rise and Fall of the Pahlaví Dynasty (vol. 2, pp. 468-469) contains a document from the Bahá'í community of Iran which shows that Sani’í tried to obey and resign on grounds that Bahá'ís could not hold political offices. However, the Sháh was evidently not convinced and told Sani’í that no one in the country but himself had the right to interfere in political affairs. Thus, his resignation request based on his religious beliefs was invalid. He was told to continue his work and not disobey the Sháh. He agreed. Consequently, the Bahá'í administration removed his name from its roll."

So as you can see, he was a Baha'i but due to the fact that he accepted a political position and considering the Shah precluded him from abdicating his post, he was disenrolled because Baha'is are not to accept political positions.

Asadu'llah Sani'i is actually a perfect example of why there were NO Baha'i politicians during the Pahlavi era, and I thank you for bringing him up.

ایا پرویز ثابتی بهایی بود؟

خدمت شما عرض شود که که خانواده ثابتی از هم شهری های بنده هستند.پرویز ثابتی فرزند حسین ثابتی هست.پرویز ثابتی در سنگسر متولد شد که قریه ای هست در نزدیکی سمنان.حسین ثابتی که پدر او بود در ابتدا بهایی بود ولی به دلایلی از جامعه بهایی طردشد یا به عبارت دیگر حذف شد.

در زمان شاه فداییان اسلام به خونه ما ریختند و کتابهای بهایی را بردند.وقتی رفتیم به دفتر اقای ثابتی ایشون فرمودند اگر حرفی از بهاییت میزنی پایتان را از دفتر من بیرون میگذارید که ما هم بیرون گذاشتیم.چطور همچنین فردی بهایی بوده؟

کلیه بستگان نزدیک اقای ثابتی در ایران بدون هیچ مشکلی دارن زندگی میکنند!!!!

اقای پرویز ثابتی استخدام ساواک بود ولی بهایی نبود.

گیرم او بهایی بود.ایا باید 400000 بهایی را از حق تحصیل حق کار حق زنده ماندن حق قبرستان داشتن و حقوق اولیه انسانی محروم بشوند چون این و ان بهایی بوده و یا نبوده؟این چه منطقی هست؟

گناه این خانواده موسوی چه بوده؟
//news.bahai.org/story/645

گناه این مردگان چه بوده؟
//news.bahai.org/story/691

ایام به کام

My turn to respond

Mona, since you had to work I'll take a break and respond to some comments.

Dishonest buster: "Unfortunatley, there was a slight, tiny winy problem in the way the Bahais conducted themselves in the Pahlavi era. In that period, the Bahai people, were disporpotionately represented in top positions. It was a terrible feeling of exclusion, being descriminated against, etc."

Baha'is were not 'disporpotionately represented in top positions'. As mentioned, several were 'suspected' or 'rumoured' to be Baha'is. Mostly responded to by Mona here and by others in numerous other posts.

Dishonest buster: "A good example, is Mr Amanat, architect of the Azadi square . Why of all people, he was chosen to be the architect for one of the most conspicous spots in Tehran at such a young age?"

Why not?

Dishonest buster: "Leaves a negative feeling in you."

Why, tell me?

Patriot: "Speaking about destroying The Islamic Republic of Iran is Treason! If you spoke of destroying the USA you would also be convicted of Treason!"

Who is talking about destroying The Islamic Republic of Iran? Please explain yourself

das: "the logo for this article is very wrong. the logo implies that all iranians should be sorry why, why all iranianns? probably only 1% of iranaians have done wrong to bahais"

Of course not all Iranians are obliged to feel sorry. In fact, the ones that apologize have not themselves done any harm to bahais, but apologize on behalf of all those who, over a century, were in a position to speak up but have remained silent so that atrocities against bahais have not been made known to the general public in Iran and therefore were easier to continue for too long a time.

das: "the articles mentions 150 years of oppresion of bahais, but at least during mohammad reza pahlavi rule they were not"

They were certainly much less oppressed before 1979 but were limited in their expression (for instance, no publications allowed) and in the 50s their national centre was demolished. Info on this is readily available - inform yourself.

Greetings to all

let´s investigate

The time has come that every Iranian must investigate independently the truth about the Bahaí Faith.
A religion born in our country that today attracts the hearts of thousands of people from every race and background throughout the world. People who later learn to appreciate and respect Iran , the birth place of this Faith.
Although ashamed of the backwardness of our present regime, but proud that our land is mentioned and rememberred worldwide so positively as the cradle of the Baha´i Faith.

Dear Neutural Iranian

*Hoveyda was NOT a Baha'i.

//www.negah28.info/index.php?option=com_conte...

*Dr. DR.Farrokh Rou Parsay was NOT a Baha'i.

//inconversationwithroya.blogspot.com/

(please read the note under her picture)

*Parviz Sabeti was raised in a Baha'i family, but had left the religion and WAS NOT a Baha'i by the time he started working with the savak. 

*Mehnaz Afkhami was born to a Baha'i mother (she was a Baha'i zadeh NOT a Baha'i).(the term Baha'izadeh means people of Baha'i
background who are not Baha'i themselves or part of the Baha'i community)

if Dr. Ayadi was chosen to be Shah personal doctor , does it make him a politician?!! By building a Monoment ( Shahyad)...By working in a army...By establishing the first girl 's school !!!....does it make them politician and involve in politics???

and God knows for the ??? time NO Baha'i WAS A Politician (No politician could be a Baha'i) and we were/are not associated with any foreign country.

I gotta go to work....Have a good day.

Mona 

ایا زندگی بهاییان در زمان شاه بدور از اذیت و ازار بود؟

نظری به وقایع دردناک شاهرود

وقایع تضییقات شاهرود در روز ۱۷ مرداد ۱۳۲۳ھ. ش (۸ اوت ۱۹۴۴) با قتل سه تن از بهائیان سرشناس ساکن آن شهر به نقطهء اوج خود رسید.

بر طبق گزارشی که محفل ملّی بهائیان ایران برای درج در کتاب عالم بهائی تهیّه نموده، با آغاز ماه شعبان (۲۲ جولای ۱۹۴۴) مطابق مرداد ماه ۱۳۲۳ھ. ش توجّه مسلمین افراطی در شهر شاهرود منعطف به جامعهء بهائی شده و مشغول تهیّه و تدارک انقلابی بر ضدّ ایشان می‏گردند. در عصر ۲۵ جولای اشرار اقدام به سوزاندن درب حظیرة القدس و غارت اثاثیّهء آن می‏نمایند. در ۲۸ جولای شب هنگام اشرار به خانهء یکی از احبّاء به قصد قتل وی حمله می‏نمایند که این اقدام بی‏اثر می‏ماند.

در صبح سه‏شنبه ۸ اوت (۱۷ مرداد) بود که انقلابی خونین در شهر بر ضدّ بهائیان بر می‏خیزد. مغازه‏ها و بازار بسته و جمعی از اهالی ملحق به اشرار شده و جمعیّتی قریب به ۵۰۰۰ نفر آمادهء هجوم و ناآرامی در سطح شهر علیه احبّاء می‏گردند. برخی از بهائیان برای حفظ جان خویش به شهربانی پناه آورده ولی چنانچه باید مورد محافظه قرار نمی‏گیرند. اشرار کماکان به خانه‏ها و مغازه‏های احبّاء سرشناس حمله کرده به غارت می‏پردازند.

در طول این روز ۳ تن از احبّاء به شهادت می‏رسند. اوّل، جناب اسدالله نادری، رئیس ادارهء دخانیات شاهرود که چند سالی بود برای مهاجرت ساکن شاهرود گردیده بود. دوّم، جناب محمّد جذبانی مهاجر از سنگسر که پس از حملهء اشرار به سختی مجروح شده امّا به وساطت ۳ تن افراد خیرخواه نجات و به مطبّ پزشکی منتقل می‏شود. معهٰذا پس از اطّلاع اشرار مجدّداً مورد حمله قرار گرفته و بعداً در کنار خیابان بیهوش افتاده و ۲ نفر از طرف شهربانی مأمور حمل ایشان روی برانکارد
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اچار فرا نسه بهایی ستیزان:امیر عباس هویدا و اتهام بهاییگری

//iranian.com/BTW/2006/March/Hoveyda/inde...

logo/why sorry

the logo for this article is very wrong
the logo implies that all iranians should be sorry
why, why all iranianns?
probably only 1% of iranaians have done wrong to bahais
the articles mentions 150 years of oppresion of bahais, but at least during mohammad reza pahlavi rule they were not
mona was asking for name of one bahai minister, i give you 2
amir abbass hovayda
jamshid amoozegar
for the record i believe that whatever that has happened to bahais is very wrong and in todays iri nobody has any right not just bahais

we are sorry

I want to congradulate all those who signed the letter and assuring the Baha'is of iran that they are not alone,we the people of iran stand firm with you to establish and maintain freedom and justice not only for Baha'is rather for all iranians/persians.this is a good start,some people from iran or MIDDLE EAST the center of corroption,oppression,injustice,not having respect for human life and on and on... started to think about human rights and human dignity and respect for all the people around him.This will take us to somewhere so beautifull and dinified,somewhere that all other nations wished they were part of it.

Speaking about destroying

Speaking about destroying The Islamic Republic of Iran is Treason! If you spoke of destroying the USA you would also be convicted of Treason!

Mona 19,Here is the list of Bahais in Shah's regime!

Here is the list that I found when I checked the internet.I am not sure about its accuracy though.Amir Abbas Hovaida,Mahnaz Afhkami,Parviz Sabeti,eleged Bahai Farokhro Parsa,Shah' personal physician Abd al Karim Ayadi,Asadullah Sanii.It was rumored that Alam was a bahai and radio children story teller Sobhi was also Bahai. I do not dislike people based of their color,creed or religions as long as they are good human beings and they do not want try to push their religions on me .As far as Iranians are concerned I consider every Iranian to be like my brothers and sisters as long as they have a love for Iran and they are not associated with any foreign country like they allege Bahai to be.

I am for freedom of

I am for freedom of expression. Unfortunatley, there was a slight, tiny winy problem in the way the Bahais conducted themselves in the Pahlavi era. In that period, the Bahai people, were disporpotionately represented in top positions. It was a terrible feeling of exclusion, being descriminated against, etc.

A good example, is Mr Amanat, architect of the Azadi square . Why of all people, he was chosen to be the architect for one of the most conspicous spots in Tehran at such a young age? Leaves a negative feeling in you. Yeki dotta ham keh naboodan keh zir sibili dar konim.

And then when you tell'em so and so were Bahai, the Bahais say like a broken record, "oh no, his/her family were"..... Sure, whatever....

Thank you

Darius, JJ, and the many others that signed this Open Letter, thank you. Over the past week, I have been so touched by the heroism demonstrated by the signatories of the letter, as well as the many Iranians who are tirelessly working to end injustices in Iran. These individuals have challenged the corruption and oppression in our motherland and have defended women, children, minorities, and intellectuals. When I think of many of these promoters of justice, I say to myself, "O God, Increase my astonishment in Thee." You may not see yourselves as heros, but in my eyes you are examples of moral courage.

For some in the Iranian community, who may still be led into following the accusations against Baha'is, I want to draw your attention to a letter sent by the Universal House of Justice (the international Baha'i governing body) to the Baha'is in Iran this past October. It is a remarkable letter.

//www.bwns.org/sites/news.bahai.org/files/doc...

An Urgent Plea to our Humanity

"Fariba Kamalabadi Taefi (f) aged 46, homemaker
Jamaloddin Khanjani (m), aged 76, businessman
Afif Naeimi (m), aged 47, industrialist
Saeid Rezaei (m), aged 50, engineer
Behrouz Tavakkoli (m), aged 57, lecturer
Vahid Tizfahm (m), aged 37, optometrist
Mahvash Sabet (f), aged 57, homemaker/former teacher

The seven people named above, all members of the Baha’i religious minority, are to go on trial shortly, on charges of “espionage for Israel, insulting religious sanctities and propaganda against the system”. Amnesty International considers the charges to be politically motivated and those held to be prisoners of conscience, detained solely because of their conscientiously held beliefs or their peaceful activities on behalf of the Baha’i community. If convicted, they would face lengthy prison terms, or even the death penalty ..."

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neutral Iranian, "...they are told that..."

We can no longer offored to be told.
We are informed Iranians, and the time to do away with other peoples false beliefs and dellusions for us is long over due.

We need to regain confidance in ourselves by informing ourselves and gaurd against this hyper-paranoid state by making a genuine effert to discover and understand the truth.
Failing to seek and see the truth is a burdon we can nolonger bear, neutrality has no relevance.

Neutral iranian ~ why Israel ...

Baha'u'llah was exiled from his native land (Persia) by order of Nasir din Shah, who was a Muslim, to Baghdad(in 1853).... As his influence began to grow among the Muslim population of Baghdad, the Persian king asked his Ottoman counterpart, Sultan 'Abdu'l-'Aziz, another Muslim ruler, to send Baha'u'llah deeper into the Ottoman territories and farther from Persian borders. ...The Sultan first exiled Baha'u'llah to Constantinople (in 1863), then to Adrianople (Edirne) (later that same yr)and eventually to Akka(in 1868). At the time, Akka was a prison city in Palestine.

Baha'u'llah passed away in  Bahji, Akka in 1892 ...The state of Israel was not formed until 1948, almost 60 years after Baha'u'llah's ascention.

And Baha'is who live in Israel are religious volunteers from all over the world who serve for specified periods at the Baha'i World Centre and are engaged solely in the care of the Baha'i Holy Places and the internal administration of the Baha'i world community.

Why IRI don't accuse the Islamic authorities who are in charge of  Masjed al aghsa in Jerusalem of being Israeli agents just because  one of the most holy site in Islam is located there?ha?

You also said "majority of ministers in Shah's regime were Baha'i" , please name one individual.

Mona 

Baha'i,Sorry to spoil your party!

I am not for IRI persecuting Baha'is because of their faith,but most Iranian would give a nod to Iranian government decision to persecute Baha'is when they are told that majority of ministers in Shah's regime were Baha'i and Baha'i religious center in located in Israel and on surface Israel is Iran's enemy.

PETITON THE PETITON

we could sign the petition in millions BUT if the IRI running the country (thaks to BRITS)according to their law BAHAI is out lawed ;
so we have to find a way to get rid of ISLAMIC REPUBLIC.
my heart for every humane being regardles of their beliveves.

یاران ایران Trial of the Friends of Iran

... is set to begin this week and while many more Baha'is are now imprisoned for dubious charges, the government is orchestrating the expansion of its attacks on two distinct fronts. 

The first, is the very public and officially sanctioned imprisonment of members of the Baha'i community under the trumped up national security charges for which they are not entitled to present a defence or be represented.  Mrs. Shirin Ebadi, who had agreed to representing the Baha'is in court, is now consumed defending herself against charges that have crippled her legal practice.

On another front, and concurrently, the government is disseminating lists of the names of Baha'is and their professions and businesses along with the religious consequences of doing business with them or simply being in contact with them.

While the first tactic is sanitized for international observers, the simultaneous actions feeds on the religious (in)sensibilities of the masses.  For example, they are fore-warned of the consequences of coming into contact with objects that have been touched by a Baha'i and how it can void their prayers.  Furthermore, actions taken by the public against this defenseless group is not only religiously justified but also the police fails to provide any protection or follow up to the many instances of harm to people and their property.

Alas, our hope are those that have not succumbed to the foul stench of the ideology that has consumed our society. 

Alborz

لابد نادان معنی شرم را نداند

این چرت و پرتها یعنی انسانییت

کدام جنایت اسلام؟

کدام کمبود؟

کدام کمپلکس؟

بزرگترین مشگل بشرییت  امروز وحدت است و بهاییت امروز شروع وحدت عالم انسانی است

ایا تو هموطن ایرانی  درباره بهاییت چه میدانی؟ چه خواندی؟  چون در حرفت جز تعصّبات چیزی دیده نمیشود  

 خجالت چی را باید بکشیم؟

بنا به شواهد و مستندات تاریخی، ازابتدای شکل گیری آئین بابی و سپس بهائی در ایران، هزاران تن، تنها به دلیل این باورهای دینی خود، به تیغ تعصب و خرافه به قتل رسیده اند.  تنها در نخستین دهه میلاد این آیین، نزدیک به بیست هزار تن از وابستگان آن در شهرهای مختلف ایران به قتل رسیدند.

ما شرمگینیم از اینکه در آن دوران صدایی در مخالفت با این کشتار بربرمنشانه ثبت نشده است و

ما شرمگینیم از اینکه تا به امروز نیز صداها  در محکومیت این جنایت هولناک جسته و گریخته و نارسا بوده است.

ما شرمگینیم از اینکه علاوه بر سرکوب شدید نخستین دهه های حضور بهاییان، در صد سال گذشته نیز، این گروه از هموطنان ما مورد حمله های ادواری قرار گرفته، منازل و محل کار آنها به آتش کشیده و تخریب شده و به جان و مال و ناموس آنها تجاوز شده اما جامعه روشنفکری ایران در مقابل این فاجعه خاموش مانده است.

ما شرمگینیم از اینکه طی سی سال گذشته قتل بهاییان، تنها به جرم باورهای دینی شان شکل قانونی به خود گرفته و  بیش از دویست بهایی به قتل رسیده اند و

ما شرمگینیم از اینکه گروهی از روشنفکران فشار علیه بهاییان را تئوریزه کرده اند.

ما شرمگینیم از سکوت خود در مقابل اینکه بسیاری از سالمندان بهایی پس از ده ها سال خدمت به ایران، از دریافت حقوق بازنشستگی محروم هستند.

ما شرمگینیم از خاموشی خود در مقابل اینکه هزاران جوان بهایی، به دلیل باورهای دینی خود و صداقت در بیان این اعتقادات، از امکان تحصیل در دانشگاه ها و مدارس آموزش عالی ایران محروم هستند.

ما شرمگینیم از سکوت خود در مقابل اینکه کودکان بهایی به دلیل باورهای دینی والدین خود، در مدارس و معابر مورد تحقیر قرار می گیرند.

ما شرمگینیم از خاموشی خود در مقابل این واقعیت دردناک که در میهن ما فشار و تحقیر علیه بهاییان به طور سیستماتیک اعمال می شود، تعدادی فقط به خاطر این باور دینی در زندان به سر می برند و خانه ها و محل کار آنها مورد حمله و تخریب قرارمی گیرد و گاه حتی آرامگاه های مردگان این گروه از هموطنان ما از تعرض به دور نمی ماند.

ما شرمگینیم از سکوت خود در برابر سیاهه طولانی، اندوه بار و دهشتناکِ حق کشی های نهادینه شده در قوانین کشور ما علیه بهاییان، و بی عدالتی ها و فشارهای دستگاه های رسمی و غیررسمی در مورد این گروه از هموطنان

ما شرمگینیم به دلیل اعمال جنایت ها و بی عدالتی ها و ما شرمگینیم به دلیل سکوت خود در برابر این اعمال.

  پیرو جهل و نادانی کیست؟

لابد نادان معنی شرم را نداند 

FREEDOM For Bahai's

We all profess ONE GOD-
WE are ONE PEOPLE

Of this OneWorld

We need to learn to respect each persons relation with God.

May it be Our Prayer that the imprisoned Bahais are freed, without harm.

May it be our PRAYERS THAT we learn to be One World
ONE PEOPLE on this earth our frugel home.

Statement of Gratitude from Baha'i International Community ...

...to the Iranian intellectuals, scholars, writers, journalists,
activists, and artists throughout the world who signed an open letter.

In English

//news.bahai.org/sites/news.bahai.org/files/d...

In Farsi   

//news.bahai.org/sites/news.bahai.org/files/d...

My dear Hamvatans who singed the letter...God bless you and Thank You from the Bottom of my Heart.

Mona ;)

to:Anonymous-Jahany

Although you may have some point about alot of the wars and differences amongst nations have roots in RELIGIONS but you are wrong to make a comment about this subject specially this way.

Because this sounds like you are entering someones house and start telling them that they are stupid for making ghormeh sabzi instead of what YOU think they should have!!!

I am positive you wouldn`t like it if someone uses the same style language with you and slaming  YOU for YOUR beliefs either.

This is about a larg number of people that believe in what they believe and they have done NO crime, NO persecutions, NO terror, NO devious action in any shape or form and yet they are under constant humeliation and persecution and so on and so forth. If YOU belive so much in humanity YOU should be the first to be outraged and defend them first hand for what they have chosen to believe in instead of criticizing them for what they believe in.

What a pitty!!!

Just today Feb, 15,2009 I read on Press tv that ALL Baha`i faith are  illegal and they are linked to Israel!!!

The government of Iran is still thriving on RELIGIOUSLY SUPERSTICIOUS of a larg Iranian mass. Otherwise they could have never done persecuting Baha`is as long as they have. What a pitty!