Iranian of the Day

This One is a DOOZY

On one hand, I can't blame this woman for wanting revenge. After all, she's human. She's an innocent victim who clearly didn't deserve this, and although she's still alive, everything for her; her dreams, her aspirations, whatever they may have been, essentially her life ended when she was attacked. It's part of human instinct to have this reaction. It's a more genuine and realistic reaction than someone who'd sit there and say, "I forgive him" or "I feel sorry for him and have no grudges".

But at the same time, pouring acid in her attacker's eyes will accomplish what? Ten minutes of her feeling a false sense of euphoria, then, 'poof", it's gone. She'll still be in the same position she is now.

There are other ways of making her attacker pay, and pay dearly too. If blinding him is the only thing they feel is justifiable, then why not remove his corneas and transplant them into someone who needs them?

(I'm playing "Devil's Advocate" here, people, chill out).

As things stand right now, there is nothing that can bring this woman real justice and genuine peace, and there's not much that can make this guy pay for the horrible thing he's done.

This is a classic "lose-lose" situation.

islam is for man and man only

problem is islam and its barbaric attitude which has destroyed Iranian sens of humanity gat to look for rout of the problem we are taking Iran nat arbia.

Basic instinct?

sosad come down and let's walk on streets of Tehran. Forget about Africa, China and other places.

First put yourself in place of women who are constantly harrassed one way or another, legally. Now put yourself in her shoes. Put yourself in her shoes where she seeks relief from laws but no one cares and there is no law to stop it.

Then after it is all said and done and she is blinded and time comes to go to court for this guy's crime, they tell her you have this option.

The question is not about the law itself. The question is now that she has this option should she use it or not?

If I were in her shoes I'd have said hell yes. If you are a victim of a heiness crime in US (where we see so many) the law doesn't give you that option.

Furthermore, and more importantly her reasoning is that in the f****ed up society of Iran with all the chauvenistic rules that we all know about which in part promotes this kind of crime, this is a lesson for other would be attackers.

Now you can argue all you want about morality and I will go with you toe to toe (as long as I'm at work :) but this is my view that since the option is there, I agree with her. If the option was not there we would not be having this discussion.

Put both pictures of her for a better perspective. The picture below:

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Vengeance is the basest instincts devoid of morality

Derakhshandeh: I doubt that her psychological state of being will improve. She is still blind and have to deal with that pain for the rest of her life. Blinding another person will not alleviate her struggles as a blind person one bit. She might temporarily feel a bit of relief from getting revenge but it won't change her well-being and her difficulties as a blind person in the long run.

In Africa, in the city of Matobo, the Ku believe that the only way to end grief is to save a life.

lf someone is murdered,

a year of mourning ends with a ritual that we call the Drowning Man Trial.

There's an all-night party beside a river. At dawn, the killer is put in a boat.

He's taken out on the water and he's dropped. He's bound so that he can't swim.

The family of the dead then has to choose. They can let him drown,
or they can save him.

The Ku believe that if the family lets the killer drown, they'll have justice but spend the rest of their lives in mourning.

But if they save him, if they admit that life isn't always *JUST*...
.. that very act can take away their sorrow.

Vengeance is a lazy form of grief. And it would only provide temporary relief. Not a long term relief.

You forgive to liberate yourself from the all-consuming hatred. Hatred and vengeance are ultimately most destructive to you not the other person.

Paymaneh Amiri

Yes Islamic Republic of Iran would do much better if they implemented your 3 requests and a whole lot more if I can say so.

Furthermore, ghesas and all that stuff is bad, inhumane and barbaric. Ghesas is one of the bad laws among many. The change of laws in Iran does not pivot around this case.

If this case goes forwards, water will not move water much less a change in laws. So let it be and don't worry about him. He is still not sorry for his actions.

Put both pictures of her for a better perspective. The picture below:

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sosad

The question is whether blinding this man will make her see again.

No.

Will she suffer less psychologically if he becomes blind??

Psychologically yes.

will this act of revenge change her quality of life and her state of mental anguish?

Her state of mental anguish will improve.

Will she be a happier person if this guy becomes blind?

Yes.

What spiritual lessons will she be learning from blinding this man?

The message (not the lesson) to his attacker is see what you've done you m****f***er.

Will she feel better after blinding this man?

How many times are you going to ask this question, yes.

How long is this revenge induced uphoria going to last?

Not long.

Does she believe in God?

Maybe

If she believes in God, why doesn't she live it up to God to deal with him?

Because the Iranian laws doesn't allow it.

Does she think she is God?

No.

Or she thinks God doesn't know what he is doing?

If you ask me God definately doesn't know what s/he is doing.

How will she respond when she meets her creator?

Free at last. Free at last. Thank god almighty I am free at last!

Would knowing that she is responsible for making another human being suffer the same pain make her feel good about herself?

Not "another" human being, a specific "human being".

There is a chinese proverb in which it says, if you seek revenge, you better dig two graves.

What? This is not a murder-suicide case.

Put both pictures of her for a better perspective. The picture below:

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To florida voice: eye for an eye is WRONG period

It is eye for an eye; apparently it does not mean whether the crime was committed accidentally or intentionally.

Regardless of this particular case, the system is taking the burden/responsibility of judgment for punishment off its shoudlers and putting it squarely on the shoulders of the victims. In other words, they are putting the law in the hands of the victims. That's wrong!

re: Has it worked so far?

Apparently not. Again, this is not news. This is one of those cases out of the past 30 years that I don't mind what is going to happen to this "man".

Call it anything you want. For the past 30 years we have raised consciousness and fought against inequalities against women and other minorities as well as these medieval laws. The fight goes on. It really does. This one case however let it be.

Put both pictures of her for a better perspective. The picture below:

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RE: In Other Words

to the writer of In other words,
I personally don't know what would be the right thing to do in this particular case. However, if you read your own writings, you are saying if someone accidentaly runs over someone......
clearly, we all know this case wasn't about the act of accident.... we all know, he didn't just happen to walk in the street and just happened to pour the acid on her and ooops, I am so sorry for pouring the acid on you!!!!It is clearly matter of judgement what is accident and what is intential.

One thing is for sure the pain and suffering should be shown to him. I wonder if there is a way to do the act on him like in a simulation way!!! hummmm

Qesas is Revenge

Qesas is an inhumane and barbaric law.  Any and all parts of it are savage and unacceptable to humanity in the 21st century.

Revenge must never be any society’s guiding factor in punishing and containing crime.  Rehabilitation of less violent criminals and containment/rehabilitation of the more violent criminals must be the way to approach crime in any society.

Qesas is not a law about which you can be selective.  The minute you accept one part of it, you will have to accept the rest, including stoning, amputations, throwing from heights, hangings, cutting in half, etc., etc.

An individual whose rights and life have been altered through a criminal act should be the last person to dictate a sentence for a criminal, because of vested interest in revenge.  Revenge is sadistic and barbaric.

This will do nothing to reconstruct this woman’s lost life and hope, but will set a dangerous precedence, the consequences of which are entirely too macabre and inhumane.

Islamic Republic of Iran would do much better to

a)      increase public and social education and awareness about violence

b)      invest in good rehabilitative programs for offenders

c)      attempt to help the victims.  In the case of murder, instead of enabling the murdered individual’s family to “bargain” for a sum of money in return for the individual’s life, how about helping those families so they won’t need to pursue dieh, blood money?  In this case, how about spending money from the governments many resources to fund reconstructive and remedial medical procedures to return this woman to a normal life?  

The question is whether

The question is whether blinding this man will make her see again. Will she suffer less psychologically if he becomes blind?? will this act of revenge change her quality of life and her state of mental anguish? Will she be a happier person if this guy becomes blind? What spiritual lessons will she be learning from blinding this man?

Will she feel better after blinding this man? How long is this revenge induced uphoria going to last?

Does she believe in God? If she believes in God, why doesn't she live it up to God to deal with him? Does she think she is God? Or she thinks God doesn't know what he is doing? How will she respond when she meets her creator?

Would knowing that she is responsible for making another human being suffer the same pain make her feel good about herself?

There is a chinese proverb in which it says, if you seek revenge, you better dig two graves.

To Ajam & others: Has it worked so far?

"Let this be an example for the savage animals out there to think twice before contemplating such a cruel act. For such acts are no accidents as they're premeditated in nature!"

You guys are intentionally or maybe unintentionally promoting the same culture of revenge which Khomeini initiated 30 years ago. When will all this revenge-seeking end?

Mullahs have hanged on cranes, gouged out the eyes and amputated the limbs of so many of these so called criminals over the last 30 years to set an example of them for everybody to see, can anybody in clear conscience honestly say that the rate of crime has diminished in Iran over the same time period?!

Ghesas

I'm personally against such barbaric punishments as Ghesas. However, in this particular case, I agree with her point that for preventative purposes, the guy should receive the same treatment as he inflicted on her. Let this be an example for the savage animals out there to think twice before contemplating such a cruel act. For such acts are no accidents as they're premeditated in nature!

I wonder

There are many countries that are far more civilized than Iran. Is that news? I think while Iranian people are living under the broader medieval laws, this is one case where it may be fair. What is fair? Is inequalities under the law fair?

Put both pictures of her for a better perspective. The picture below:

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re: Women are badbakht

Be that as it may I think she made the right decision and I'm glad she is doing it. Use the men of god's laws against these kind of "men". This incident isn't the only thing wrong in Iran.

I hope she finds a manly man too. Maybe doctors in Iran and abroad can help her too. I remember few weeks ago I read an article about advancement in finding a cure for blindness.

Put both pictures of her for a better perspective. The picture below:

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But if an Eye for an Eye was the solution ...

Don't you think law-abiding more advanced civilized countries of the world which are NOW eons ahead of Iran (in almost everything) would have thought of it as the ultimate solution to crimes in their societies much much sooner?

Women are badbakht. That's the end.

Even in the United States, women are under the thumb of men and when they become older, younger women. 

I am happy for the internet that this picture can be shown anywhere in the world now. What manly men there are in Iran. I hope there is a man strong enough and secure enough to love her despite what that savage did to her.

Not a simple issue

Its really comes to the big picture. This law is very ancient law, it was actually introduced by Sumerians, adopted by Jews, Christians, Moslems and ... .
The big picture is the level of violence in modern cultures, especially attack on defenseless people has gone up as the society has become more understanding. The deterrence and making the original crime an outrage for the society is the big picture.

MiNeum71

Both of his eyes are supposed to be blinded, under anesthesia. A little bit like the Oscar contender Slumdog Millionaire except to a monster.

What would be the punishment for that man in the movie Slumdog Millionaire? He did it not just once but routinely one victim after another.

Very improved society

My best wishes for this girl and the challenges of her life. According to Iranian laws I hope she can get rid of BOTH of his eyes :)

Put both pictures of her

Put both pictures of her for a perspective. The picture below:

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Look at what that "man" did to her future and her life. All because she did not like him from the beginning.

We shouldn't compare this case to a similar case in America. In similar cases in America recently the attacker got life in prison. Unlike in Iran there are no laws against women.

The issue is how women are treated in Iran, honor killing and stuff like that. From more serious to less serious. This "man" saw it as his "right" to treat her the way he did. He figured he'd pay the money and be released.

As cruel as his punishment is I look at the cruelty of the "man" and in this case since the laws over there allows it, I say let it be. Let these medieval laws play out for those who want to use them for their own benefit.

I'm thinking in this case. I hope she does not change her mind. As she said hopefully this will stop others who want to do the same thing and there are many of these "men" these days in Iran. From the very top in Govt to the very low.

In other words

If you accidentally run over somebody in the street and the person dies, their relatives can demand you stand in the middle of the street so that they can intentionally run over you and kill you.

What a terrible shame that our understanding of justice, human values and standards have hit the bottom low in the last 30 years.

"In the US, he'd serve maybe

"In the US, he'd serve maybe a year or two in prison. Would that be justice?"

Really? isn't that a crime of cruelty and the person serving punishment in the US would probably be spending life with no parole in one of the worst prison settings ever or maybe even electrocuted? I would be outraged if they would only serve one or two years. I know of a person who got life sentence for killing someone while driving under the influence of alcohol and now you are telling me that with a crime with such cruelty, you only get one or two years in prison??? I don't think so. I hope not and I don't think so.

Revange or punishment

I think the main issue with the current system in Iran is that individual victims are given the power to demand punishment. If you look at countries with modern justice systems, the society decides on the punishment of a crime. It doesn't matter if the victim is demanding revenge or pardoning the act, the system already has the appropriate punishment in place. Such a system takes the spirit of revenge out of the society and closes an evil circle. It also creates a trust in the justice system. Nobody can buy/threaten the victim and skip punishment. It won't help. What a shame that our country is resolving conflicts with barbaric methods used some 1400 years ago.

Let's hope nobody accuses me of not caring for the victims and being soft on criminals.

I think

he should not only get blinded but also castrated. An eye for an eye, an egg for an egg.

Moral dilemma

Wow!

An eye for an eye, huh?

What does he really deserve?

In the US, he'd serve maybe a year or two in prison. Would that be justice?

What should the state really do to deter people from doing this savage act against each other?