IRAN-U.S.

Dorood bar Amir Khosrow Sheibany

We owe you big time for your wonderful and clear assasments.

In my opinion, NIAC members are like MKO members, a cultish people who worship a tazi. Masoud Rajavi is also a Tazi like Titra. Both lie, cheat and look the other way.

Thank you again,
Babak Khoramdin

Interesting!

MEK members have exposed the mullahs and their bedfellows again!

//www.nytimes.com/2008/03/03/world/middleeast...

AGAIN WITH CENSORING AND DELETION OF POSTS!

Stick a fork in this site because its done. Be a mouth piece for IRI lobby and IRI. I guess everybody has a price!

The argument is lost in all the fanfare here.

Please allow me to re-iterate.

Trita Parsi states: “using the Bush administration's Iran Democracy Fund as a pretext, Iranian [Tazi] authorities have clamped down on Iran's civil society with thousands of arrests”


Trita Parsi neglects to state: The clamp down occurred ‘before’ the Bush Administration entered office. Iran’s civil society has been brutally clamped down for 29 years now, with tens of thousands of arrests, tens of thousands of murders, all of which, I would like to remind Mr. Parsi and Mr. AmirAhmadi, will have to be accounted for by the collaborators with the current regime.


The statement above is also suspicious as it neglects to mention that (so far) more opponents where eliminate, newspapers shut down, best and brightest accepted self-exile (amongst the now many millions strong Diaspora) during the Clinton/Khatami administrations softly softly approach, than under the Bush/AhmadiNejad’s confrontation.

Conclusion: NIAC’s leadership is using the same excuse as the Tazi regime in Tehran to justify its actions, and whitewashing the unspoken realities we have stare at every day.

Trita Parsi States:[It is in the] US’s long-term interest to make any improvements in relations with Iran contingent upon Tehran’s adherence to the UN human rights declarations.

Trita Parsi neglects to state: The regime in Tehran, whether it chooses to adhere to UN human rights declarations or not, does not represent Iran. It rhetoric is even anti-Iranian and pro-Arab nationalism. Furthermore the statement might even confuse Western policy makers. Dialogue with a faction of the revolutionary regime, belittles the chosen political representatives of the Iranian people, none of which are able to run for office. It is in the long term US interest to deal with the democratic aspirations of the Iranian people, and not to legitimize a rogue regime or those suspected as being their lobbyist abroad.

Conclusion: Since its inception, NIAC has mustered all it’s energies to dilute the Iranian oppositions demand for a National Referendum under international observation, to determine the future the shape and form of a legitimate Iranian government. This aligns it, in the minds of many, with the IRI regime supporters who prefer the status quo. It is also this simple fact that is the basis of many accusations against the NIAC as a pro-IRI lobby in the USA.

The NIAC focus on Human Rights today, shortly after Reza Pahlavi’s renewed drive to shine a light on the human rights abuses of the regime in Tehran, could also be construed as an attempt to co-opt and dilute that very message by a leading member of the opposition. Again the timing of Trita Parsi’s article on Human Rights despite NIAC neglect of this issue since its inception (see petition by www.Homa.org), and NIAC shift from “promoting Iranian-American participation in American civic life”, to that of a Political Action Committee defending the core-values and vested interest of the Khatami faction within the IRI regime, and it’s website as a clearing house for all those who were shouting death to America 30 years ago, are also suspicious. At best this group is aligned with the Democratic Party in the Jimmy Carter sense of the word, not the Harry Truman and represents a small minority of Iranian population, not a significant minority.

Trita Parsi States: “This approach will enable Washington to develop a stake in Iran's future and ultimate stability, but not a stake in the survival of the Iranian theocracy.”


Trita Parsi neglect to state: This has been the same argument used by the theocratic regime to ensure its survival. It is a red-herring that Senator Obama’s team needs to be aware of, and a key element of the ‘experience’ they will need to catch up with, in order to understand the tactics of the regime and it’s supporters, how it fits into existing Iranian cultural norms, and the psychology behind Iranian political activity

If it were not for the prospect of an Obama presidency, I would not need to put pen to paper and state the obvious. It has taken US policy makers a long time to “get it”, but eventually they do get it, and Barak Obama’s team will not be any different. Here are some more questions to think about, if you plan on reading between the lines of “democratic and pluralistic discourse” as Babak Talebi puts it, here in the US, and contrast that to how the ‘Iranian’ authorities whom the NIAC leadership say they have access to, deal with us when we are in our own country.
(//corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NzY4ODZkN...)

Babak Talebi

Does NIAC support Islamic Republic of Iran? How many times Titra met with the representatives of the Islkamic Republic of Iran? And, do you consider the Islamic Republic a terrorist state as the United States of America and most of the world communites say they are?

Thank you,
Babak

A word from one of NIAC's founders

Dear friends (and not so friendly hamvatanan),

I don’t usually post here on Iranian.com, but after having read the comments on this thread and many before it, I felt compelled to make an e-appearance.

First, I want to thank the many of you who have defended NIAC on these
threads and for having the courage to stand up for pluralism, logic, and decency. It is my deep belief that as Iranian Americans our most precious contribution to a democratic Iran in the future is our self-education and participation in American civic and political life.

Why do I say this? Because as someone who has lived in the US
for 19 years (as of today), I have come to realize that cultural and political history has been an obstacle to learning about the democratic and pluralistic processes needed for a truly democratic society to function. And after 30 years of "sha'ar daadan" and "fohsh daadan" our expatriate community does not have much to show for its efforts.

The cornerstone of NIAC's creation and function has been, and will continue to be, the participation of hyphenated Iranians in American civic and political life. NIAC is an American organization geared towards an ethnic minority in the United States. Though we all continue to hold out hope for the future of Iran, we must first get our own house in order here in the US.

So once more, thanks to those who have understood NIAC's purpose and continue to defend our work. Thank you for internalizing the definition of pluralism and democracy. And thanks for being the first wave of what shall hopefully become a fully engaged and active Iranian American community in American political life.

Second, to those who have raised legitimate and well-thought-out questions about NIAC, our resources, and our purpose, I wish to thank you as well. Even if in the end you do not agree with our principles, our
analysis, or our efforts, it is imperative in a democratic process to have
discourse and disagreement.

We at NIAC are under no illusion that everyone will agree with us, or
that we can "unite" the IA community under one banner. To expect that
is indeed delusional. But, what we can hope for is a civilized, logical,
and analytical discourse and debate about these very important and substantive
issues.

So to those who disagree with our work in a civilized fashion, thank
you for your contribution, and I hope NIAC can answer some of your questions and assuage your concerns.

Third, to those who seek to simply vilify, degrade, disparage, and otherwise defame NIAC with nothing but innuendo, false attacks, and profanity, I am ashamed of the fact that you are members of the IA community. Those who have seen the heavily edited youtube video can see how these individuals function and what they think passes for "debate".

It is a sad state of affairs that most of these individuals (at the risk of
generalizing) have lived in the US under the banner of democracy for multiple decades. Yet they have yet to learn the basic precepts of democratic and pluralistic discourse. It is truly a shame that an organization such as Amnesty International, the gold standard for Human Rights activism in the world, was introduced to our community in Beverly Hills with such an embarrassing scene.

One commenter here pointed out that their tactics and antics are no different then the Hezbollahi's that have and continue to attack and haunt Iranian students and activist in Iran. I have no doubt, that if there were not 15 police officers present in Beverly Hills last week, these people would have had no qualms about physically attacking and injuring those they disagreed with.

The one humorous note however was this: after Amnesty cancelled the event, the "protesters" started in-fighting. The MEK types and the
Monarchists started shouting and cussing at each other. And in the middle people like Manoucher Mohammadi were being drowned out. Someone even yelled at him, calling him a "goozoo". The maturity in this
crowd knew no bounds (/sarcasm).

Finally, I apologize for the long post, but I felt compelled to write all
this for the following reasons:

1) on NIAC's funding: follow this link - //www.niacouncil.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=887&Itemid=59

As you will note, not only does NIAC provide its full IRS tax-returns
online, but we have also done a full analyses of our funding sources. NIAC has members in 44 states with over 2500 members/donors whose median donation is in the $160 range. NIAC has never accepted nor will it accept any funds from government sources, bit it the US, IRI, or Zimbabwe. In 2007 we doubled our staff to 8 full-time employees in our DC office thanks to the generous support of Iranian Americans in DC, Seattle, Palo Alto, Atlanta, and Los Angeles (where we raised $80k just this past weekend from 200 attendees).

2) NIAC was founded by me, Trita Parsi, and 3 others. Rep. Bob Ney, Roy Coffee, and Mr. Amirahmadi had absolutely NOTHING to do with its founding in the winter of 2001/2002. It was founded as a direct result of 9/11 and the fact that the IA community had no dependable, professional, or capable organization to advocate for its interests and rights. The first “seed-money” we raised was from IA doctors and engineers in and around Baltimore from my own parent’s rolodex of friends.

3) Until January of 2006, NIAC did not participate in the foreign policy discussion whatsoever. After the prospect of a US-Iran military conflict became a real fear, our members voted overwhelmingly for us to engage in that debate and vociferously oppose war.

Thankfully, we have been able to do that quite successfully and we have
partnered with conservative and liberal organizations to oppose war. Our success in this effort has been the primary reason why we have been attacked by neo-conservative organs such as FrontPage.com (Kenneth Timmerman) and opposition figures (and MEK members) such as Hassan Dia.

Previous to our efforts on the Iran war issue, none of these people deigned to talk about NIAC, never mind spending time, effort, and money to lie about us publicly.

4) NIAC has fully rebutted the baseless accusations of Hassan Dia and Kenneth Timmerman. It is a long response, but I encourage you to read it here: //www.niacouncil.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=744&Itemid=59

So, long story short (or long as the case may be), if you have read this
far, thank you. And I do hope to engage in further discussion and debate on these pages in the future.

Regards,

Babak Talebi

Director of Community Relations, NIAC

www.niacouncil.org

"Promoting Iranian-American Participation in American Civic Life"

Mr. Trita Parsi needs to

Mr. Trita Parsi needs to defend himself and doesn't need others to defend him, right??

Vanishing comments...

All my well thought of comments regarding Khars that I had selectively caught have disappeard!

I don't see anyone decrying

I don't see anyone decrying about Faribors Maleknasri M.D. from Quom spamming this thread and all the others everyday of the week.

it is amazing to me how

it is amazing to me how folks can close their eyes and forget about the atrocities that continuously are taking place in our motherland. It is a disgrace to all of Cyrus descendants to see our homeland dragged through the mud of fundamentalism and fanatical behavior and we just close our eyes and continue fighting amongst each other. I guess we all are whores to some extend but this is ridiculous. Hasn't thirty years of suppression been enough. When you are confronted with ignorance you have two choices, ignore it and hope it will go away which we have done up to now or stand up and let your voice be heard for a change,so more power to all those who stood up and shouted "Death to IRI". I have to admit I would not be able to do so due to fear of oppression, but at least I am free so that I can post my remarks here in anonymity and support the struggle for democracy in my own way. Long Live Free Iran.

Titra, what do you have to say about this breaking news?

By EDITH M. LEDERER, Associated Press Writer 55 minutes ago
UNITED NATIONS - The U.N. Security Council approved a third round of sanctions against Iran on Monday with near unanimous support, sending a strong signal to Tehran that its refusal to suspend uranium enrichment is unacceptable and becoming increasingly costly.
For the first time, the resolution bans trade with Iran in goods which have both civilian and military uses.
The vote was 14-0 with one abstention from Indonesia.
Iran's U.N. Ambassador Mohammad Khazee told the council just before the vote that the government would not comply with the "unlawful action" against its "peaceful nuclear program."
THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

No TIME FOR Mr. BUSH`s RANTINGS?

On behalve of the very interessting article of Mr. parsi and so many enormouse long comments and so many controversials may be it would not be bad if one had a few minutes time for the man who is the only one being supposed and authorised to say a word on the matter which is discussed hier. Hier you can read what he means:
'I have no time for Bush rantings'
( rantnig in "amiane farsi" means a special kind of sher, poems ) Mon, 03 Mar 2008 18:16:32
Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
The Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has said that he has no time to listen to US President George W. Bush's words of caution.

On the eve of Ahmadinejad's visit to Iraq, Bush warned his Iranian counterpart to 'stop exporting terror'.

Bush also accused Iran of supplying arms to Iraqi insurgents and demanded that the Islamic Republic stop 'sending in sophisticated equipment that's killing our citizens.'

"I didn't receive any such message. We don't have enough time to hear what the others say," said President Ahmadinejad at the end of his unprecedented visit to Iraq.

"Just because they like to make statements based on false information, it does not mean we should listen to what they have to say," Iranian President told a press conference.

The presence of foreign forces in Iraq has only led to absolute chaos, and these troops, which have been brought to the region from millions of miles away, have achieved nothing but the hatred of the regional nations, President Ahmadinejad concluded.
and i hink one should not forget: An achievement of the ISLAMIC Revolution of 1979 was to throw - not only the in that time stil a little greate satan but also the arbadeh keshaan, do-thingers and accusers - out of Iran. Today the only thing which can be done from daispora is arbadeh sadan. At best in one`s own interesst. the historical facts since 1978 show us: The honourable Iranian Nation does not give even one PAPASSI for selfnamed Advocates in abroad, mostly atributed with a second foreign Identity or only with one new identity. It is impossible to start doing anything with the aim of regim-change in the ISLAMIC REPUBLIC of IRAN. Otherwise the bushy Bushy and co. had done it and the "IRANIAN"s had no such HOT discussions any more. Everybody has her/his faults, like all of us, but the case gets problematic specially when some poeple cvonfuse thier faults with better intellect. every body is doing what she/he can. some poeple mean: Reformers were in power for 8 years and aside from cosmetic changes, they couldn't realy achieve any fundamental changes in the goals and nature of the regime. the very important question is: WHY were the things so? Why they could not change?
First we must confirm that they WANTED to change things. But this point is not so sure. It is most possible that they played the role of reformers, they did only so as if. In the reality they wanted just make the not any more so greate satan hope about changes to come.
Second: Who prevented the planed changes, if they were planed at all? a handfull fanatic mullahs? As the honourable Iranian nation is named by enemies and westerns? Not ahandfull Mullahs prevented the "reforms" but 7ty million of them. all Iranians living in the ISLAMIC REPUBLIC are fanatic mullahs. For suer. greeting

Mr. Parsi: I'm still waiting

Mr. Parsi: I'm still waiting for your response or you think you're too important to respond in a forum like Iranian.com? BTW, Your groupies are into idol worshipping, very typical Islamists trait...

Thanks Mr. Parsi for your activism!

Dear Trita,
I have been following your public journey since you arrived from Sweden. I am very impressed with your activism and drive to help the Iranian-American community!
You make us all porud.
And keep up the good work.

Abuse?

Trita Parsi's supporters seem to be the same people who are so often abusive and thuggish in the comment sections here on this site. Now they complain their friend is victim of the same tactics? :O

Thank you for all you do for the Iranian community

Trita Parsi, I want to thank you for all the work that you do on behave of the Iranians. I wish that more people join you and get involved to better the positions of the Iranian community in the US.

Thanks again and I wish you success. Your success is our success.

Mr. Parsi: Be courageous and

Mr. Parsi: Be courageous and don't be ashamed of what you support. If you support the reformers and think they are the best alternative for Iran's future then present your argument with facts, examples, and details that will bolster your argument and your decision to advocate or lobby for your particular inclination. People are much more intelligent than you think. If you a well-reasoned argument for supporting the reformers and supporting the grand-bargain strategy, let's hear it and discuss it. As I stated before, how is this "grand bargain" going to change the structural and fundamental revampings that are needed in order to have a future prosperous and economically secure Iran? Why don't you convince us with your power of arguments and reasons. If you can convince me, I will promote and lobby for your organization for free. Thank you.

Mr. Parsi, if you want to

Mr. Parsi, if you want to climb in the politics and expert punditry you better develop a thick skin and be prepared with facts or reasonable counter arguments. The commenters here are nothing compared to smart Republicans and conservatives who tear your arguments apart and demolish you in less than two paragraphs.

Bear in mind, if you're looking to preach to the choir, you will never be a unifying entity in the Iranian community. Iranians are smarter than you think.

HEY JJ???

Hey JJ what happened to the last article about This guy and his organization? I could not read the whole article but it seemed to be well written and well researched, with sources given. I heard rumors of this site being the mouth piece of the IRI but I never believed it because my family used to know yours and your dad was known to be an honorable man. But after seeing instances like this I am begining to wonder!!!

Thank you

Mr Parsi I commend you for writing this article and addressing the people you represent. T think it is great that you have spoken about the human rights situation in Iran.
As you know your name was being maligned with accusations of being an agent of the IRI and you have now effectively put these rumors to rest for most of us who didn't know what to believe.

Merci for what you do on our behalf.

Harf e hagh javab nadarareh

You said it well Mr. Parsi. Thanks for this informative article.

Lack of understanding of Iran and .. (thanks, Trita)

Trita, thanks again and don't let the ignorance and hatred of some of these extremist Iranians bother you. As Michael F. Scheuer the 22-year CIA veteran has said many times (in his interviews with Bill Maher, Fox TV, ...etc.) lack of US understanding of Middle East is the root cause of many issues including the rise of Wahabi fanaticism and terrorism. (one of those interviews is here: //youtube.com/watch?v=SmXQPnvfA1w&feature=rel... ).

Understanding of these extremist Iranians about Iran is even shallower although they make so much noise.
Best regards.

Deleting Comments

Who's in charge here and why was my comment deleted? What IS the policy on censorship on this site?

Interestingly void of substance..

Let's not act like islamofascists, or degenerates(Q, and Anony7) by accussing, and labeling people when we don't have proof. It is wrong when they do it, calling everyone opposing IR as anti-iran, zionists, etc, and it is wrong of us to do the same.

Having said that, let's go to the article.
These are also somethings you can blame on Bush:

-Ice age 10000 B.C.
-Slavery in early Americas
-My dog losing bodily function because he is old.
-Drug addicts in Iran.
-Global Warming in the 1500s, and now.
-El nino in the pacific.
-Eruption of volcano, and the burial of city of Pompeii (80 BC)
-Mongols decimation of Baghdad residents
-Q and Anony7 being degenerates that they are.
-People getting whipped in Iran now, and got killed in Iran 1400 years ago when arabs invaded.
-JJ's selective process of censoring certain posts.

I was with Trita Parsi on the human rights issue till he started babbling the same old, tired line of "it is Bush's fault". Most of the newspaper closures, student riots, and chain murders in Iran happened before Bush came to power. Indeed, Albright had apologized to Iran for the 1953 Coup, when Iranian authorities began closing the newspapers in 1999, and 2000.
I am ashamed that my alma mater has bestowed a doctorate degree on Trita Parsi. You see, being a doctor is not just about academics, one also needs to learn about ethics, and objectivity.
We all know, particularly the Iranian people that if you give an inch to a mullah, because of their greedy, and pathetic nature, they will want a yard later.
Today, if U.S. retract the 75 million dollar, there is absolutely no guarantee, indeed no motivation for the Iranian government to ease up on the HR situation in Iran. IR will simply ask for something else; their laundary list is long, and endless. They might want U.S to stop supporting Israel, stop being a capitalist country, stop being a secular country!
You see, Trita Paris has conspicously left out the real culprit. There is not one direct reference to the mullahs or IR judiciary who are actually responsible for the execution and hangings of Iranians, NOT ONE! How pathetic!
I can not believe that Trita does not understand politics 101, nations look after their own interest. One can not hold responsible another government's calculus in foreign policy for the dismal and poor human rights records of one's own government at home. In other words, Trita wants U.S to act and behave against its own self interest in order to appease a bunch of illiterate mullahs, so perhaps they can act better. Instead holding the culprits responsible.
Mr Parsi, IR is responsible for the executions and killings of Iranians. You are not gone cover those crimes by blaming Bush, or the tooth fairy. IR is solely responsible, and they must pay the price.

What in the world?

Why don't you post your own article or blog. Seriously, why post such a long comment? I think it might be longer than the article you are commenting on. hahaha

No, I did not read your comment. I rather read a professional sociology journal. It is way more fun. :o)

Solh va Doosti (paz a vosotros)

Nadia

JJ, if you delete my post,

JJ, if you delete my post, it means you support terror,,you have deleted all factual posting about this unIranian Islamic thug.

دو ايران فروش

تريتا پارسي, و سلمان پارسي.

سلمان پارسي راه را براي پيروزي اعراب هموار كرده و اين مغ بزرگ زرتشتي باعث بردگي هموطنان خود بدست اعراب شد

حال تاريخ دارد دوباره تكرار ميشود تريتا پارسي مانند جد بزرگ خود كمر خدمت به ملايان بسته, آرام نخواهد نشست تا فاتحه تمام اپوزيسون را بگويد.

كينه اين فاميل به ايران و ايراني واقعا شگفت انگيز است.

دوستان ازكينه اين فاميل بهراسيد. آنها و عمالشان و اربابشان كه دولت فخيمه انگلستان ميباشند, بايد ملت ما را اسير ملايان نگاه دارند براي دزدي و چپاول هاي خود توسط ملايان بي هنر و دين.

بايد هرطور كه هست جلوي اين فرد و عمالش گرفته شود.

حال خود دانيد و اعمال خود.

گروه ملي ياري

Arbadeh kesh

Thanks Mammad for your comments. Good points.

I was shocked to see the Pars TV fellow and bunch of Arbadeh kesh people in LA have NOT learned how to act with civility.

I lost a little respect which I had for Pars TV. I hope people stop supporting these idiots.

We need more organizations such as NIAC to protect our rights.

Mr. Trita Parsi:

Either you are insincere or you take us to be fools. 

You write:“Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch report that executions in Iran - including instances of stoning - have sharply increased under President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. In addition, using the Bush administration's Iran Democracy Fund as a pretext, Iranian authorities have clamped down on Iran's civil society with thousands of arrests.”

Does this not indicate, to you, that the IRI has such little regard for human rights and human life that it would use the excuse you brought up above to exterminate its own people, by stoning and public hangings?  In fact the very argument that they are using “external pressure” excuses to liquidate people ought to tell you, they are capable of committing atrocities and blaming it on other factors, as they have demonstrated for the past 30 years.

“A foreign policy contingent on human rights will create a balance between America's relationship with the people of Iran and its relationship with Iran's unpopular government.”

How can you conclude that this regime, which has abused and violated human rights and has shown no propensity for attaching value to human life, for the past 30 years and through many American administrations, would respond to a U.S. “foreign policy contingent on human rights” in such a way as to allow a relationship between America and the people of Iran?  Are you naïve?  Do you think this “unpopular” regime would do anything other than ensure its own survival?  Do you, for one minute, believe that American negotiations with the IRI, based on human rights contingencies, will make the mullah regime kiss and make up with the opposition and let the student movements, the labor movements, women movements, and political movements, all of a sudden, thrive and take root?  Don’t you think it would mean suicide for them to allow any kind of meaningful reform to take root, because their atrocities would have to become prosecuted under such reform?   

Mammad: 

You write:

“we have strong, (i) university students movement; (ii) labor movement; (iii) feminist movement; (iv) human rights movement, and (v) (political) democratic movement.”

Yes! and they are being brutally crushed as we speak.

“Yes, they will not be able to change the regime now or over the next few years. But, that takes nothing away from their legitimacy and power.”

Let’s see!  You wish to live in the West and enjoy your freedom while those students, labor unionists, women and minorities movements fight the battle for democracy over a prolonged period of time, at the cost of their lives?  And you call yourself more of a patriot that those you call “arbadeh kesh”?  Your logic is as digital as you wish to portray those of others.  This is so much like Marie Antoinette’s attitude, to say to a whole generation of Iranians (70% under 30 years old) to sacrifice and forfeit their lives because people like you and Trita think that democracy will come to Iran as long as people are willing to wait for it?  Isn’t 30 years long enough?  How long is enough?  What if you are wrong?  Isn’t it easy to opine at the expense of others? 

“Hardliners have used the confrontation with the US, and the crisis that they have created with Israel, to the hilt in order to justify their repression. One must be totally blind and deaf not to see this. So, anything that lessens the friction between Iran and the US is a plus for the movements.”

The hardliners will use any other excuses, as they have done in the past 30 years to deny human rights, because their intent is to survive at any cost.  Reform means the death sentence for them.

The hateful comments here

The hateful comments here and especially the listed video on YouTube form downwithNIAC, reminded me on the Hezbolahi's who would attack any gathering in Iran in early 179 and later.

They (Hezbolahis) were also screaming like mad and wouldn't let anyone speak and have a rational conversation. It is all like a Deja vu, the only difference is the new Hezbolahi's are actually Shaholahi with Ties, but the rest is the same. Ey khak bar saretoon, ke liyAghateton hamin AkhondhA hastan, chonke mesle khodetoon arbadeh kesh hastan.

WHO THE HELL DELETED MY POST?

Hey if you just like to post pro IRI and Islamist posts just say so and I leave you and your damn site alone. I dont like to waste my time and post just to have some dumbass delete it!!!