The Green Circle


The Green Circle
by Midwesty

I have already discussed with you in my other writings that the idea of functionality is flowing throughout Iranian culture and as Iranians we don’t need to think too hard to figure out that our culture values purposefulness. Although our genius in architecture, science, literature, and art been modestly underestimated by our own people and on the other hand our culture and entity has been purposefully attacked viciously and mercilessly by our enemies in cooperation with unintelligent insiders, but since the core of our belief system was based on functionality and believing in a higher purpose as a result our culture has survived for thousands of years.

The reason of survival of our culture is behind the idea that ordinary people of Iran naturally understand and welcome the concept of function. As I have mentioned before and by the presence of many evidences, there are two factors flowing in every Iranian’s blood streams, humbleness and purpose; and as long as we don’t lose these two pillars of our survivals we should be hopeful to add more brick to our cultural castle with the birth of every single Iranian baby.

We all know by now that our motherland is facing the harshest attacks in her modern history. Much of that has been going on in a very subtle fashion. That’s why we should not be afraid of the enemy who poses as foe in the day light but rather the one who appears to be the friend stabs us in the back in the middle of the night. Our real enemy is the one who wants to tear down those pillars, by tearing down our system of belief with respect to the higher purposes.

Please note that I am not trying to sell the idea of religion underneath the word higher purpose. I will leave it to you to define your own purpose. I believe you are intelligent and have your own moral system. I am also not trying to sell the idea of radicalism since it is out of the circle of logic. It is rather a repulsive reaction than being a consistent, homogeneous, and harmonious logical system, therefore radicalism is not worth the discussion.

As I earlier mentioned, humbleness is another attribute of the Iranian identity. It is also have everything to do with the functionality. As it is evident throughout our literature, we have been strongly urged to be modest not for the sake of projecting a cool picture of ourselves rather to get to know things fully at their roots and put out our thirst by drinking at the source. For that, they’ve said “a tree standing on the highland gets less water, “a fruitful tree hangs lower”, “a rude child never gets to see his/her elderly age”, and many more countless accounts of advertising modesty in our literature, and in general, in our culture.

On the other hand, let’s see what west had to offer. Machiavelli, the father of modern politics has the most profound impact on world history simply because he established a school of thoughts that shamelessly propagated his infamous motto, “the ends justify the means”. He gave philosophical justification for the chaos that pseudo-humans desperately needed to create in Japan, Germany, Poland, Palestine, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and so on. He believed that you can do whatever you want to do as long as you could fulfill your purpose.

In his view there was no morality, a frame of ethical conduct or even a sustained virtue. He believed that if you accept the Geneva Convention it is not because you respect human rights -- far from it. It was simply because you had to blend in with the rest of the world to push for your selfish agenda, and as long as it does not contradict your animalistic goals then you can follow those floating virtues.

In his view every thing around and inside of you can be utilized to reach your very own selfish goals. This is utterly in contrast to Iranian culture where there is a value and a higher purpose for everything. In Iranian culture the thought of having purpose is beyond religion and ethnicity. It is simply an Iranian thing, and this is why we have survived the most vicious attacks the history of mankind could have ever seen despite all of our religious and ethnic differences.

In addition, Freud, the father of modern Psychology has also caused a mighty blow to the body of modern age thinking. In his view, human is nothing more than a compound and homogenous cells cooperating to fulfill one thing, the survival of self. The act of mother who is breastfeeding her baby is nothing more than a sexual act and the mom’s reaction to that is identical to the stimulations that come from her sexual lover.

But neither Freud nor his followers could have ever answered the question that whether the rise in hormones’ level causes the emotions or there are emotions responsible for the increase of the hormones’ level? If the later is even partially right then where the emotions are coming from? The Freud idea also targets us in order to strip us out of our responsibilities and the higher function each one of us serve for a higher purpose. In contrast, we all have heard or seen in the recent history the selfless act of our younger brothers during Iraq-Iran war setting off the mines with their bodies in order to open a passage for the others to progress.

It is not all an Iranian thing, the discussion about purposefulness. There has been a long argument amongst artists and the art philosophers, scientists and the science philosophers to solve the mystery of what in the heart of a genuine art and science is that make them popular and eternal. Some believe that art has a function and since ordinary people can recognize function by nature the amount of attention that an idea gets from the public is a good indication of how original the art is. Therefore for these people the popular art is the real art. But in the opposite camp, some artists argued that their art is beyond people’s understanding and even thought their art is not popular but it is a real art. For example the abstract art in the modern age requires the viewers and listeners to be visually and musically literate in order to understand their concept.

Simultaneously the same fight was going on in the geeks’ camp on what the real science is. Einstein came up with a theory that nobody as I am speaking today has fully comprehended his perception of time and space. On the other hand we have, Fermi and Tesla whose functions were to grind and convey the most complicated scientific concept down to the understanding level of the ordinary people in order to make the ideas functional. This does not mean that Einstein was wrong or Fermi was right. However Fermi’s science is being used everyday where Einstein theories are awaiting further scientific scrutinizes for years to come.

Anyway, I believe It doesn’t matter if an original idea at the time of its conception is popular or not but it matters if it loses or gains popularity through the passage of time. Therefore the survivability is the key indicator of originality and accordingly the sign of functionality.

If an idea, a theory, a concept or a form does not make it through the test chamber of the time, it is not a real art or science so is dysfunctional. Therefore historically and naturally all things should have purpose in order to survive, and the more popular they get the more protected they become. This applies to the cultures and all of its components too. An original culture should be functional and when it gets functional it survives.

Hence, I believe, we should neither be fooled by complicated languages, complex theories, busy titles, or the laud noises some people like to make in order to sell their ideas and gain some popularity nor we should simply reject populist concepts because they are out of the tight circle of “elite intellectuals”. For the most case and in the long run the majority of ordinary people are proven to recognize the genuine ideas better than anybody else.

For that reason, let’s remember Jahan Pahlavan Takhti and Professor Hessaby. Thakhti wasn’t from modern breed of “intellects”, nor was he a trained public speaker. All he had to offer to the ordinary people was his wrestling gold medals and his good manners, “maraam”. But he will shine in our hearts forever since he is more popular now than when he was alive.

Dr. Hessaby, the father of Tehran University, is another modern Iranian hero, who was Takhti’s partner in fame. Although his elderly and fragile body structure was distinctive from Takhti’s but Takhti and he shared a few things in common. Their hearts were functioning for the higher purpose of vatan and they were always approachable by Iranian citizens and lived among them.

At last, throughout our history we see numerous genuine heroes who have joined the club of eternal fame. Surprisingly all of them have had same two things in common, humbleness and purpose. Two drops of that sea are Attar and Abu Ali Sina (Avicenna). Attar lost his life in Mongolian aggression while living among ordinary people. He could easily flee Neyshabur as other scholars did at the time but he rather stayed with his people and put his life on the line. Also Abu Ali Sina died amongst his friends and students and his answer to them when they insisted to get him an aggressive cure was, "I prefer a short life with width to a narrow one with length".


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To xerexs

by Anonymous..... (not verified) on

Keep it coming ...

You are a true Iranian and I as an Iranian brother
say to you Iran is our bound .... the rest is dust ...



RE: vza

by XerXes (not verified) on

Good article, but I have to say that I am all the things that you said I am except one. Sorry can't take that one.



by Maenwhile (not verified) on


Meanwhile in IRI: Iranians

by sick of hizbollahi (not verified) on

Meanwhile in IRI:

Iranians Sign Up to Be "Sacrificed For Holy Qods" At Protest

Iran held massive "Death to America - Death to Israel" protests today.

Oh... And, "Death to the UK," too!

Watch the pictures of the protest:




Some Interesting read

by AnonymousXYZ (not verified) on


Any one has read this book ?

Please provide some review ? I am interested to know.


VZA's link: A world Split Apart - everyone should read it

by Arezu (not verified) on

Thank you for providing the linkage to Alexander Solzhenitsyn's speech at Harvard U. in 1978. I not only listened to it twice, but read the full script and wrote down majority of it.

It is very deep, very profound, and although it was discussed in 1978 where the world was thorn between two powers - the Capitalist Western world especially the U.S.A. and the Communist East - The Soviet Union.

What Solzhenitsyn says is that neither all of the materialism and all the unrestrained freedom of the West nor the dogmatism, of the ruling party of the East - Communism/socialism have solved our problems.

He states accurately, that all of the 20th century's achievements of progress, including the conquest of outer space, do not redeem the 20th century's moral poverty.

Liberalism was inevitably displaced by radicalism; radicalism had to surrender to socialism; and socialism could never resist communism.

This is the calamity of a despiritualized and irreligious humanistic consciousness; to such consciousness man is the touchstone in judging everything on earth - the imperfect man, who is never free of pride, self-interest, envy, vanity,
and dozens of other defects.

He questions rightfully is it right that man is above everything? Is there no Superior Spirit above him? Social dogmatism leaves us completely helpless in front of the trials of our times.

On our way from the Renaissance to our days we have enriched our life experience, but we have lost the concept of a Supreme Complete Entity which used to restrain our passion and responsibility.

We have placed too much hope in political and social reforms only to find out that we are being deprived of our most precious possessions; our Spiritual life.

He says alot more that if everyone reads, I believe if we are true to ourselves and the world we live in would find hard to disagree with.

I found it one of the most powerful discussions which describe the current dilemmas of the world in which we live in.

I would very much like to see how others think about this after they have fully read it in-depth!

It is not something which shouldn't be simply brushed aside - there is so much we can learn from it.

Thank you, again VZA.


Mehdi: Coming from someone

by vza (not verified) on

Mehdi: Coming from someone like you I take that as a compliment. How very Islmofascist of you. Thank you for proving my point.


Culture Race Ethnicity

by Mehdi on

Personally, I prefer not to restrict myself to a race/ethnicity/culture. I may prefer buying my groceries from a Persian store than from the typical chain market, even if it costs a little more, because I prefer to support a fellow Persian. But I don't close my eyes on the best features of the Western culture or any other culture. I don't consider that only Persians are humble. It is true that at times groups tend to display a certain behavior pattern (good or bad) but I don't see that as an imprinted unchangable characteristic of a group. If I am forced to make a judgement where a Persian and non-persian are involved, I try to make my judgement based on what is right and not what culture or race people are from. I even do the same regarding my family. I may give my family or a fellow Persian "a little" more leeway but I will not step over what is ethical only to "help" a fellow Persian. I think when we try to take the culture/race/ethnicity too far, we run into problems. The fact is that these terms are not absolutes anyway. There is always certain amount of mixing of these races/cultures. I'd like to think that while I am a Persian, I am also a member of the world - a member of Mankind. I don't find many occasions of these two identities fighting each other. I can be a complete Persian and also be a complete American, and even a complete Chinese. It is totally possible.


To VZA: Too late for that prayer

by Mehdi on

You are already afflicted with what you are afraid of! Your comments are meaningless ramblings. Hard to even follow what you are trying to say. All I get from your comments is a strong desire to express intense resentment. You come across as someone filled with hatred and nothing logical to say. See if you can change that and impress us next time.



by XerXes (not verified) on

I did not read the article, but I will read it. Since it was long and I am not at home. My point should not be taken personally and I never have said that religion is the answer or the way to morality, being atheist myself. Hey I may have misunderstood you, harf e hagh javab nadaareh.

Ben Madadi

Arabic of Koran

by Ben Madadi on

The language used in Koran was difficult even at the time it was first heard/written/used. That is actually one of the reasons Muslims say that Koran is a miracle itself because an illeterate, Mohammad, was able to come up with such a sophisticated (very difficult to read and understand) book :) Nice miracle ;) No offense meant to Muslims, including myself :)


xerexs: "A man that doesn't

by VZA (not verified) on

xerexs: "A man that doesn't believe in something will fall for anything"--An old Englis proverb

As usual, you're incoherent and fragmented and I can't decipher what you're trying to relay here. At any rate, here are my observations from the bulk of your comments on this site. I really hope I'm wrong and BTW, you're not a good example of what you're trying so hard for people to believe.

With all due respect, your posts reflect a highly condescending, presumptuous, unkind, egothestical, spiteful, tactless, pompous,abrasive, self-rightoeous, judgmental, arrogant, intellectually lazy, resentful, emotionally and intellectually repressd, sad, bitter and overall a lost soul trying hard to reconcile your indoctrination with your god given free will and intellect. I will pray to God that I will never be afflicted with those demons...

What do you call an ideology? Islam? Shia? Khomeinism? other Religions? other Dogma? What is your definition of morality and ethics btw?

Religious laws are different than morality and ethics. You can be religious and simultaneously immoral, depending on which version of your religion you practice. You can be an atheist or agnostic or in any organized religion and the same time more moral and highly ethical than those who go to mosques or Church regularly... YOur version of morality and ethics is deeply embded by laws and rules of your religion which are not really governed by morality or ethics but by the culture of battlefield and jihadist warfare in the 7th century...only set of rules and laws to obey ritualistically... Blind obedience and relegating your mind to the will of clergies is highly UNGODLY to me.

You would really benefit from reading what I linked before in my previous post...but I doubt that you like to read anything...


RE: VZA and Ben

by XerXes (not verified) on

Some see themselves and the friends that the hangout with and think that for example friendship is as such. Did you know that those who have no ideology or historical literacy will be the party of the wind? They most probably go to Iran and if they perceive things the way they see, they become a supporter and if not they won’t. They do the same living in the west. I can’t even think about talking to those, since starting with history 101, then move to sociology 101, and then talk about politics 101 becomes bothersome and long. Enough about VZA!
Dear Ben, I have no information or any historical poets that are pre-Islamic era, so I am not sure what kind of answer you are looking for. I told you that if you look at the Persian language, Ferdowsi for example (post Islamic), who never used any non Persian vocabulary in his Epics, you should fully understand it. You say Arabic language has stayed the same? Interestingly, for your information majority of the Arabs do not understand Koran, or “Classic” Arabic that are more than 200 years old. I think you are a bit confused about Iran and her history, or culture as a definition. So your argument has many flaws, which are the normal mistakes done by those who unfortunately are not well versed with the overall ideologies, cultures or the historical realities of Iran. Yet the idea of Humble or wisdom of the Iranian philosophy is the base of many thinkers of the west. You may want to check out why. Reading this article hopefully makes some of the young Iranians interested about their own culture (and self) that would be a good thing. Ben and like you are many these days, I thought the same when I was in college, yet with more research you may find the problems with thinking in the direction of unreal Iran, a pre-Islamic or pre-historic that lacks documentations and written facts. I do not suggest to ever be against pre-Islamic Iran, no way, but no one should think in a way of one over the other. If the Iranians feel something foreign about their culture, the Iranians would not accept it, historically it has been that way.
They asked Shamlu, the respected modern poet that why he doesn’t works on a language instructed book that is all "Persian" with absolutely no Arabic in it. He replied the stupidity of that thought, since languages evolve based on needs rather than design. And who is to say what words are really Persian or Arabic. Any Arabic word, even in Koran, is very much rooted in the Persian language. Many Iranians think that since it’s in Arabic then must be Arabic. Or if we can use it in the Arabic grammar, then it’s Arabic. Well, who wrote the Arabic grammar?
When you do Namaz, you say " maalek e yom e din". "Din" in old Persian meant Judgement, Dina was refered to kings, meaning the Judge. Today people perceive it as "Maz-Hab" which also was used to say Religion. So God in Koran spoke Persian also! Language transfers once it's capable to answer the social communicational needs. The topic is primitive and those who are concerned must take a look closer at the historical paths and read more to lose their biases and close minded nationalistic mumbo jumbo. Those Pan Aryan mentality is outdated and non Iranian, it was something to come to us for less than 60 years and it's going out of style already. I won't consider that an Iranian value.
Hope you got something out of this.


So many internal

by vza (not verified) on

So many internal inconsistencies. You are completely unaware of your self-rightous anglo-phobic,West-phobic (as if Westerners are aliens from another planet) polarizing diatribe on matters as profound as 'spiritual quest' as if it's a novel idea and practiced only in the East. How arrogant...

And no, I don't believe Iranians are humble or moral or even know what morality involves...hence, our country's sadly beleaguered state of affairs. We Iranians are arrogant and don't fear God in our daily interaction even with each other..."Where there is arrogance, there is no God." Why do you see the speck in your neighbor's eye, but do not notice the log in your own eye?

BTW, Morality is not between your legs or has anything to do with drinking or going to mosques to learn how to hate 'others' or auctioning off your daughters hymn to the highest bidder...

In closing, we don't even trust each other because we know we're not ethical and trustworthy people with high morals and value...We are all backstabbers...

But I think this is what you're trying to convey:


Ben Madadi

Re: XerXes

by Ben Madadi on

I don't wish to argue with what you said. People can have their own views about issues. But Shiism is not an Iranian thing originally. It is an Arab thing. Iranians adopted it from Arabs who were already Shiites.
My response was about precise points, saying that things are not exactly as they are portrayed in the article.
And believe me that there are many many languages in the world that have remained pretty much the same (they have not changed like Persian, or modern Farsi, at all) for a couple of thousands of years or more. Take Arabic for example! Take Hebrew! Take Chinese, Japanese, or even Greek (though Greek has changed probably most). You can also take Italian, which is a more simplied version of Latin, that has been used as the commom spoken language in the peninsula for a very very long time and has changed relatively little. I am not familiar with many other languages. Persian has really a lot of Arabic in it and the Iranian culture is a mix of what has remained of Zoroastrianism and Islam, but the impact of Islam has been by far bigger.


Excellent article

by Arezu (not verified) on

Dear Midwesty:

Thank you for an excellent and thought provoking article. It actually requires all of us to think deeply before we speak.

Furthermore, there is actually an intellectual and civilized discussion taking place among the commentators.

Each comment also makes one to think about various subjects discussed in the article.

Thank you all.


RE:Ben Madadi

by XerXes (not verified) on

Whatever the religion or slow change of culture, the core has remained the same that we call Iranian. To prove that you are mistaking I give you two examples.
1-If you read a poem from 1200 years ago, you would understand it. Or Molana, Hafez, Sa'di, all are about 900 years old or more. Name other language in the world that has remained as much the same and understandable for the general public than Persian!?
2-Whatever religion (Besides Hinduisms or Judaism) will assimilate into the culture of the people. The religion doesn't become the culture, it certainly influences the culture, but it becomes part of the bigger picture which is culture. We Iranians have assimilated the Islamic religion to our culture that fit the Zoroasterian mythology along with other dominant points of our traditions. If you have noticed, the Islamic world doesn't think of Iranians as Muslim, that's because the Shia makes sense based on our culture. This author has done a good job to portray the Iranian philosophy on todays propaganda against Iran. This is not written for those who have no sense of Nationality or pride about Iran except they know how to speak Persian. This is written for Iran Doostan, whether they are Iranians or not. And the lesson here is that if you are Iranian, you would understand that Iran will survive far beyond the fox news or some non humanistic ideologies preached by the west to their citizens. Because there is a difference between Iranian philosophy and western self centered ideology.
----Why do you think that a poem of Sa'adi is written on top of the UN and not Jesus,Moses or Freud?? Iranians hold a humane culture. And their poems and philosophy shows. If the world revolted against the unjust that is happening to the Palestinians as an example, like the Iranians do, do you think that such atrocities and wars would be going on?
Think about it.


Only if life worked that way

by sz (not verified) on

It seems you are messaging and liberally taking liberty with historical facts to fit your hypothesis, only if life worked that way.

Ben Madadi

I disagree

by Ben Madadi on

I disagree with most of the essential ideas of the article. No offence meant, just my pint of view.
Let's take them one by one! The author says that the Iranian culture "has survived for thousands of years". Which part of the Iranian culture has survived? The lanuage has changed dramatically, not just Persian itself which is nothing similar to the one spoken thousands of years ago. The religion has changed from Zoroastranism to Sunni Islam and then Shia Islam. Very few truly old Iranian-ness is left, like celebrating Nouruz, however nouruz is also celebrated outside Iran in central Asia, Turkey and some other places.
The other think the author mentions is that Iranians are humble. Okay, we cannot generalise, but I as an Iranian have never noticed humbleness as being a common chracteristic of Iranians. Iranians look upon most of their neighbouring peoples. And Iranians mostly hate Arabs, see Afghans as backward, and very often (this one is not true for Iranians outside Iran) consider Jews or Christians as dirty.
The authors assertions about Freud and Machiavelli are not accurate. The above interpretations of the mentioned two persons are very superficial. I have read a lot of works of Freud and Machiavelli. Although nobody is/was perfect, these people did not get it so wrong. They have jsut very often been mis-understood and mis-interpreted. Machiavelli wrote about realities as I he saw, he did not necessarily condone or practise those ruthless world realities, that still apply to this day. Freud changed the whole field of psychosis and human psychology and let's not under-estimate his works.
And I have also read Eistein's theory and I understood it quite well. Not every theory is supposed to be simple and for the common folk. However Einstein's theory is not that complicated after-all in case you don't go to the mathematical side of it.
Takhti and Hesabi were also great people, and they deserve to be respected by Iranians and non-Iranians, just like we need to respect and appreciate the works of non-Iranians and not look upon them. Where is our humbleness? :)


I too have to read this twice ....

by Native/RM/BangMan .... (not verified) on

Bang up, bang up, bang the word
The pen is mightier than the sword

Bang up, bang up, bang the word
From father to son, history to be told

Bang up, bang up, bang the word
As one, shine bright just like the sun

Bang up, bang up, bang the word
Honor, traditions and deeds to be told

Bang the light
Where there lurks amongst us in the shadows

The shadow dwellers,
Where there lives anguish of a thousand years

In the hidden recesses of history,
Where a golden calf gave birth to a red heifer

Khazars the phallic worshipers,
with broken dream and aspirations

Bang the banker,
The harvester of broken dreams and aspirations

Out of the boonies into boom town,
Harvesting a Zionist sole collector army,

We the people are marketing
Equal opportunity brand

Marketing terror war
By religion against religion and for a religion

Marketing new world order
Tyrannical freedom,

Clear the olive groves,
Here comes a new downtown

Down Sunset,
Get to finger a crack whore for a Big Mac

Marketing hormone cocktails and GM feeds,
Finger licking good USDA approved beef

We the people, marketing law and rules
Patented Farm seeds

We the people, marketing you people
Arab savage brand

We the people, marketing hallow
Oil, Hollow cost

We the people, world community
Marketing, you people the problem community.

Bang the word,
You reap what you sow,

Bang the word,
Iran's Turks, Baluchs, and Kurds are one.

Bang around,
Plant love it shall grow

Dear Midwesty,

you have a beatful spirit ... thoughts ...


News you won't read in our "free" media

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by A.Parsa (not verified) on

Dear Midwesty,
Thank you for your insightful and thought-provoking article. While I admire your efforts to promote Persian attributes please remember that the idea of Machiavellism did not really start with Machiavelli who lived from 1469-1527 A.D. The philosophy had been a part of of war codes ever since there has been war and conflict. Interestingly I recall a quotation from Prophet Mohammad who said 'Trickery and and deceit are immoral except during a war with enemy.' As you know this was some 800 years before Machiavelli. In fact being nice and fighting is oxymoron for almost all ordinary people. The only exceptions are very exceptional leaders like Mahatma Gonhi who believed in non-violence or'peaceful war'! if you will.
Also attributes such as humility and sense of purpose are among honorable human traits in general and not necessarily limited to Iranians. Thanks for making me think.


Some Very Good Points

by Mehdi on

I think you make some very good points regarding being alert to "complicated languages, complex theories, busy titles,..." as well as "nor we should simply reject populist concepts because they are out of the tight circle of 'elite intellectuals.'" Unfortunately most people, even when highly "educated" in universities and such make these mistakes very often. I think in order to separate truth from nonsense it is important to not desire approval from others and not be inscure. I think finding the truth needs courage. And courage is not necessarily what the mainstream media is telling us it is!

The dramatically rapid advancement of the science witin the last 100 or 200 years has caused a great amount of turbulance. The old ideas, all of a sudden, are being challenged in a very serious way. For thousands of years Man believed in God(s), religions of all kind, and all subcategories of these. Now science seems to be taking a shot at all of that in a new way every day. But just as religions, which once pushed Man into a higher level of understanding, intelligence and civilization, were later used for purposes that were definitely not honorable, today, if we look closely, we will find that science, young as it is, has started to be used in the same way - for purposes other than honorable. It takes a very intelligent person to see the new trend. It takes a lot of not listening but looking to recognize this! Looking for actual results as opposed to listening to empty promises and theories that are not supported by scientific data.


Wow Midwesty

by Abarmard on

I really loved and enjoyed reading this article. I will actually bookmark it so I can go over it again and pick the points that I might have missed. Thanks for this great piece. If I may just say that I would've loved it if you attached the two purposes of the Iranian culture (pillars) to the end of the article, or made it more viewable to the readers based on our today’s experiences. Although come to think of, you said it well and I got it.
Thanks again, really nice and well organized thought process.


Two of many

by Anonymous. (not verified) on

FYI. Dr. Mahmood hessabi was not “the father of Tehran University”. The purported quote from Avicenna is said to be his answer to one of his caring and devout Moslem pupil who wanted his teacher to take it easy with the wine and other pleasures of flesh which Avicenna indulged in both to the extreme