Israel launches covert war against Iran
Daily Telegraph / Philip Sherwell
16-Feb-2009 (180 comments)

It is using hitmen, sabotage, front companies and double agents to disrupt the regime's illicit weapons project, the experts say. The most dramatic element of the "decapitation" programme is the planned assassination of top figures involved in Iran's atomic operations. Despite fears in Israel and the US that Iran is approaching the point of no return in its ability to build atom bomb, Israeli officials are aware of the change in mood in Washington since President Barack Obama took office. They privately acknowledge the new US administration is unlikely to sanction an air attack on Iran's nuclear installations and Mr Obama's offer to extend a hand of peace to Tehran puts any direct military action beyond reach for now. The aim is to slow down or interrupt Iran's research programme, without the gamble of a direct confrontation that could lead to a wider war. A former CIA officer on Iran told The Daily Telegraph: "Disruption is designed to slow progress on the programme, done in such a way that they don't realise what's happening. You are never going to stop it.

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Hajminator

noiZ,

by Hajminator on

You don't mind I call you as I used to?

The relation between Shah and Israel was in apparence friendly. Shah quoted, personally and by several times, that he didn't understand why Israel, that he first recognized among muslim countries, betrayed him.

This treason came just before Shah begun his nuclear program. Why? This is because Israel didn't want to have nuclear competitors in the region. Its bombings of the Iraqi sites just at the beginning of the Iran-Iraq war is another manifest of this strategy

By the way, your reference book to the Italian is as good as the one you have in German LOL It's Capisce though it reads Capishe.


programmer craig

So...

by programmer craig on

I would! if the accusations are false absolutely!

It's not good enough that I deny being any of those things? But if somebody comes in here parroting the propaganda of the Islamic Republic and then says they are anti-IRI, we all need to take their word for it? Is that how it works? lol.


tsion

Haji

by tsion on

If Israel's issue is with Iran's progress and not her mad mullahs, as you claim, and if the progress is just the continuation of Shah's era during Mullah's reign, then how come Israel had no fears of Iran under Shah? Iran and Israel had very good relations actually. So how come?
And again I ask you, if the Mullahs continue the progress as you claim, why are you not supporting them, again as you claim?

And its capisci mydear, that's the right spelling.

Zion


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Israel to send Iran on a wild goose chase...

by Anti-noiZ (not verified) on

If one translates "covert war against Iran by Israel", it might mean Israel plans to catch Iran off-guard by sending him on a wild goose chase while planning to attach its nuclear sites.

Aren't Israelis aware that Iranian invented the game of chess (not Indians, in fact India was a part of Iran too)?

DO you think Iran is stupid to take the "covert" BS from Israel?

The best defense is a good offense, and Iran should take this as a threat to Iran and do a preemptive strike against Israel as said in October 2008 by IRI:

//www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1030279.html

Anti-noiZ


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fatal obsession Mazloom!?

by Anonym7 (not verified) on

Mazloom says: "Even their fellow Muslims don't trust them. That ought to raise the red flag for many of you who love your country and have it future at heart. "

Mazloom, actually many Muslims, from the fascist Talibans, and Alqaeda to Sheikhs of Kuwait don't trust Iranians. Not only that, some of them have stated they hate us as much as they hate Jews! ..... And you know what I am proud that we Iranians are not accepted by those reactionaries ....
Ironically some of those guys like Sheikhs of Kuwait would be very happy if the Israeli obsession with Iran turns into a fatal obsession!


Hajminator

Iran is Iran.

by Hajminator on

The civilization of my country goes back to 5000 years B.C. It knew greatness, was once the bigget empire in the world. The first human-right treaty wrote by Cyrus the great comes from Iran. My country knew invasions, measery but Iran is still there. It succeeded to evolve under each regime. Not so long from now, Persian was the most refined language in the region and spoken in royal courts from India to Turkey.

Mullahs came, they continue on the scientific path decided by the former Shah. The form of the regime we know now will change. It's something natural as the regime desmisses the most of the basic human rights. But, the scientific achievements will stay. These achievements are for our future.

Capice? Now, why not noiZ instead of Tsion?


tsion

Haji

by tsion on

Are you saying Iran is rapidly progressing under the Islamic Republic's Mullahs? Why shouldn't you support the Mullahs then, as you claim?

Zion


Hajminator

Tsion and Aqha Mooshe

by Hajminator on

Meanness a sign of impotence. LOL

I don't have to justify my feelings toward my country in front of non-iranians. You're not hired by JJ to tell who on this site is Kosher or not. The reality is that no one besides your other avatars and group members should be, as no one here doesn't seem to pay attention to your mumbo jumbos.

The reality is that it's not mullahs who afraid you. It's a country in ME which has not the status of Gaza and can defend itself against Israel. You, with a tiny pocky country think that you can stop the progress in Iran ? LOL

Zion, why hadn't you employed noiZ as your new avatar, when you've been first wiped from the surface of this site? noiZ defines you so perfectly.


tsion

Litmus Test

by tsion on

If certain people are not IRI supporters, then why white wash IRI any chance you get? Why ask everyone to leave it alone so it can do all it wants. It is not about supporting Israel, it is about constantly supporting the indefensible foreign policies of the Islamic regime in Tehran. And I mean constantly. That is a clear red herring for those who want to pose themselves otherwise. :-)

Zion


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First they want to

by XerXes (not verified) on

Wipe Iran, then bomb Iran, then maybe surgical strike against Iran, sabotage Iranian program...
What seem to be the pattern? Iran is not in their military reach.

I am OK with this, every country does that. You may do your worse, as long as it's not war.


IRANdokht

MM

by IRANdokht on

There aren't many IRI supporters on this site.

You're insinuating that if we do not support your "home country state of Israel" that we must be IRI supporter and that is called a false accusation.

IRANdokht


Mehdi Mazloom

the real agenda

by Mehdi Mazloom on

Notwithstanding my at times strong language in defense of my country state of Israel. My objective here is not brandish the sword. On the contrary to cool some of those pro IRI ladies and gentleman that, the fact the Israeli population is 1/10th of Iran and 100 time smaller size, it does not mean IRI is the 800 lb gorila in the region, and  everyone should be afraid of them.The Mullahs are more talk then action.

Thanks to the  Mullahs, Iran today is much weaker and vulnerable then yesteryears. There are too many countries do not trust, nor believe in the Mullahs real intentions in the region. Even their fellow Muslims don't trust them. That ought to raise the red flag for many of you who love your country and have it future  at heart.

IRI and the Mullahs bark more then they bite. I am trying to head off a possible miscalculation by hand of those di-vunahah in Tehran.

 

 


tsion

Haji

by tsion on

So essentially you are here to ensure us that the nuke program of your mullahs is not for nuclear weapons, is that why you are here?

Zion


Hajminator

Zion,

by Hajminator on

Right! Not my mullahs, but Iran is my Country. You make the sentence backward as usual - out of context as says Aqha Mazloom - Be Fair, as you like to be sometimes, it's not me who reversed the order.

If mullahs wanted to destroy Israel they had done it by the time of Khomeini. He was the one who said the sentence "wipe from the map" first.

By why didn't they do it sooner? ...

The former french president said that they have put an anti-missile defense system which intercepts and destroys any missile sent from Iran to the direction of Israel and any other ally countries.

Mullahs can not destroy Israel because they don't have the possibilty to destroy anything else than our country. You know it, we know it and Mullahs know it.

Now, stop playing the victims. At each time, you kill innocents you say it's for your self defense.


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Zion versus Mazloom

by Anonym7 (not verified) on

Usually it is Zion who says some crazy things, this time however Zion has some valid points and Mazloom is the one on his high horse brandishing a sword ....
Q's statement that Mazloom is the less articulate parrot on Zion's shoulder is not valid today!


tsion

Haji

by tsion on

I think you got it backwards. Rafsanjani's speech, as well as the consistent policy of the IRI has been anti-Israel (actually in a genocidal way) all along. Israeli politicians have to address the ever increasing threat now because of your mullah's nuclear ambitions. Oh sorry not your mullahs, right? But then why come out in defense of the likes of Rafsanjani with such passion? :-P

Zion


Hajminator

To brave ones

by Hajminator on

Zion, what are you propaganding again? At each time you don't have anyhting to say, you come and put 5-6 nosense sentences together with a two cents question at the end. You seem to confuse our love for Iran and mullahs ruling it. Weak or grow up, Alice, do something with yourself.

For the Rafsanjani's Friday sermon. What do you think he would have said instead? When your leaders start each of their sentences by saying a military option is still open against Iran... Rafsanjani responds by the same. That's a good war. Don't worry, you're doing the good job by yourself.

Aqha Mazloom, if you didn't find the article here a link from BBC persian (ask someone in the group to translate it for you)
//www.bbc.co.uk/persian/iran/2009/02/090216_a...

در ماه ژوئن سال گذشته، ابراهیم سنه، ژنرال بازنشسته که سالها عضو دولت اسرائیل بوده در مصاحبه ای با اشپیگل گفته بود که "ایران می تواند حتی بدون فشار دادن دکمه ای، رویای صهیونیسم را نابود کند."
به اعتقاد او و بسیاری از چهره های سیاسی اسرائیل، یک ایران هسته ای به خودی خود و حتی بدون تولید سلاح هسته ای، می تواند باعت مهاجرت دسته جمعی طبقات متخصص و سرمایه دار از اسرائیل شود که از منظر این کشور، تبعات فاجعه باری برای اقتصاد و فرهنگ اسرائیل در پی خواهد داشت. روندی که به اساس آخرین آمارها، از زمان جنگ سی و سه روزه لبنان، آثار آن در کاهش چشمگیر تعداد مهاجران جدید به این کشور آشکار شده است.


Mehdi Mazloom

Respnse to few of you out there.

by Mehdi Mazloom on

Hello boys and girls. Let me reply to some of your comments below.

ostaad: Despite your bellicose support of the IRI, and its might. The only capabilities they have so far demonstrated is pursue and kill unarmed and mostly unprotected Iranian exiles throughout EU and elsewhere. Nothing else. They have yet to demonstrate there capabilities against well trained and most ferocious intelligent agents in the world.

I will let Mossad own accomplishments throughout the last 60 years to speak for itself. IRI knows exactly what formidable foe they are facing. Particularity when other western Itel. agencies are also involved in this operation.

Trust me. NO ONE on this earth knows the leaders of Iran, or has better, and deeper penetration, then the Mossad has on Iran.

If I would be the head the Mullahs I would be the one who should not smile (and they don't). 

 

Hajminator : unless I read the article about Ibrahim Senneh comment on Spiegel, I can't comment on it. Thing have  been take out of contex before.

IRANdokht: A democratic and secular government in Iran, means, no support to terrorist groups like Hamas & Hizbollah.  Less subversive operation in neighboring Arab countries. Less fundamentalism in the region, less inflammatory and incitement of hate in the region. More prosperous and peaceful region. That is why.

finefrenz: good question. Why. Because that Akh-mag-e-nejad in Tehran had already explained it to  the world why. His is the best spokesman for Israel with its opposition to Iran's nuclear program.

When a president of Iran denies the Holocaust, and on the same breath, declares Israel should be removed from the face of the earth. You get your answer why such lunatics are the one who should be removed from power before they they take everyone else down the destructive path


tsion

Let's see

by tsion on

What does Israel have to do with Iran and its affairs? hmmm... let's see. Maybe because your regime has been supporting, funding and training every single terrorist fundamentalist murderer faction in the region to kill Israelis and the Jews around the globe, even all the way in Argentina? Or maybe it is because your ex-president Rafsanjani talks opnely in Friday sermons of nuking Israel as a viable option, or your president Ahmadinejad, just like your late Imam, wants to wipe Israel off the face of the map?

Oh and while we are at it, how come you can go and demonstrate against Israel in favor of Hamas and its excuses here in the US, o brave one? Why is it that all the world should be behind "palestinians" but now you want the world to shut up when it comes to what Iranians inside Iran have to go through? Why is that? I mean...Really.

Zion


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In all likelihood Iran will

by inallliklihood (not verified) on

In all likelihood Iran will build a nuclear bomb in the next 5-10 years. Rather than re-hashing discredited claims about Iran threatening to wipe Israel off the map, for those who want peace, it would be better to see the entire region nuclear free, as a precursor to genuine international disarmament. The deadly logic of WMD is continuing proliferation, as states gain the technical know how. I’d also expect that Iraq, when fully sovereign, will also join the nuclear club, and that Iran's strategic monopoly of terror will be diminished in the next couple of decades. For those who genuinely care about the prospects for peace for all of the people of the Middle East(including Israeli Jews),let’s hope commonsense prevails and real disarmament takes place:the signs aren’t hopeful


IRANdokht

No surprise there NG

by IRANdokht on

When they can afford to send a few covert operators to each iranian sites to spread venom and propaganda 24/7, it's no surprise that there are agents working inside the country. 

of course those would be picked amongst their "brave" ones...

IRANdokht

PS: did you see this comment to the article?

The only threat to the “world order” is the Israeli government.
Everything they do and everything they stand for is a threat to peace and order not only in the middle east. Who gave them the police badge to go around controlling who can use nuclear technology and who can’t? from what the world has seen, it is they who are carrying out a holocaust against a helpless population, it is they who is using WMDs, and it is they who have a nuclear arsenal and who openly threatens to use it. I hope Iran catches these “spies” and shows what happens when you try and interfere in another country’s business.


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Mazloom: Why doesn't Israel

by finefrenzy (not verified) on

Mazloom: Why doesn't Israel want Iran to have nuclear weapons? What is Isreal scared of?


IRANdokht

Mazloom? think not!

by IRANdokht on

You said:

"Iran will be left alone only after the Iranian people had the courage and replaced these despotic Mullahs with a free and democratically
elected government.
"

What does your country have to do with Iran and Iranians and their internal affairs?  since when is it ok for foreign countries to dictate internal politics? Israel is not USA and it can be dumped by US like the Shah's regime was. That's why you people and AIPAC spend so much effort lobbying in Washington. Israel is not in a position to dictate anything to anyone. And when they do, it's only by war crimes and murdering of the innocents. How long you think that will go on?

Your threatening words that Iran will not be left alone is completely out of line! WHO ARE YOU TO THREATEN IRANIANS????

How dare you call on Iranians to be brave?  What do you know about bravery? sitting in NY City and writing BS on an iranian website makes you brave now?

IRANdokht


Hajminator

Aqha Mazloom

by Hajminator on

You and your country are really fu_ked-up, admit it! A former general of Tsahal, Ibrahim Senne, had already tell this in Spiegel.

He said, that Iran doesn't need to press the bouton for that Israel disappears from the map. Just by its presence in the region and the bad moves of Yaboos in your country since the war in Lebenon, there are less and less tourists in the country and your rich countrymen are taking their money away from Israel (Wow, what a patriotism! LOL).

Now, to calm down your impotency and make us laugh a bit, you just can come here and tell us some dari-varis a day.


KB

It cant be that covert if its in the Telegraph?!

by KB on

The whole article is silly.


Ostaad

Mazloom, I would't be smiling if I were an Israeli.

by Ostaad on

Knowing Israelis, there wouldn't be such a "news" if the operations discussed in the article were on-going. Not even intel juvies would talk about methods and status of dark operations. Since the leak has come from a US source, a "former" CIA to be specific, I make two assumptions and one prediction. First assumption, the US intel community, who have not forgotten the humiliation they received from Israelis who publicly refuted the NIE findings about Iran, are revealing Israeli covert ops thus exposing Mossad and Israel to some nasty retaliations by Iran. Second assumption points to the US administration who may want to stop Israeli operations against Iran in order to start Iran negotiations on a clean slate.

My prediction is, since this "news" points to assassination/terror of Iranian scientist and officials, the gates of counter-terrorism and assassinations of Israelis are wide open. Iran's capabilities for assassination are not behind Israel's.

Israelis should watch their backs, fronts, and all sides very carefully. Mazloom, "killing softly" will come to a theater near you sooner than you think, if it has not atarted already.


Mehdi Mazloom

Exactly

by Mehdi Mazloom on

That is exactly what I have posting all along. Killing them softly

Net&yaboo: Iran will be left alone only after the Iranian people had the courage and replaced these despotic Mullahs with a free and democratically elected government. 

Q: You can sugarcoat your defense of these Mullahs all the way to the la la land. One way or another, fundamentalist regime with 7th century mind set can not, should not, and will not be allowed to have its finger of 21st century weapon system. period

 


Q

Fishing for a provocation...

by Q on

This is all about getting Iran to make a move first.

Israel has now accepted that it can't attack Iran. But if Iran makes an aggressive move first, then Israel hopes to drag Obama into a war with Iran and at the same time kill withdrawal from Iraq.... the delicious "military aid" gravy train will then continue to flow into the corrupt war profiteers' pockets in Tel Aviv and Washington.


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Zende bad IRAN

by Net&yaboo (not verified) on

Plz leave Iran alone.
if Israel has Nuke. Iran has every right to have it also.