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hg: You are right. They are

hg: You are right. They are Palestinian Firsters... because they are Islamists first. As Islamists, their allegiance is to ummah only not any nation.

Spear,

I'm not fighting against numbers, nor who of Truman or Stalin were the champs of mass killings. If you add up all the human lives who died by nuclear experiments (on U.S. soldiers, etc.), bombings (Hiroshima & Nagasaki); both from the first impact and then from the radiation sickness you reach the number of more than 1 million deaths. Useful documentations:

//www.democracynow.org/2009/8/10/hiroshima_an...
//www.all-natural.com/part-3b.html

The object of my comment was more about Miss Parsi statement of paranoia when we say that Mullahs will do worse than everybody else before them if they have the bomb. My second question to Miss Parsi is, "How would she qualified us if last year just before the rigged elections, we'd said that Mullahs will kill, rape and murder Iranians after an election and candidates that they organized and selected before hand?" I bet she would've said that we're crazy, no?

P/S Hamseda, you missed Jaleho!

spear

i'd heed to vildemose's words.  arguing back and forth with the iri crowd will get you nowhere.  i don't for a moment believe that she's even a woman.  i can't imagine a woman living in the west beating the iri drum so vehemently.  this character claims that she doesn't like mullahs and spends day and night on this site defending them.  go figure.  their rant has become so predictable: u.s. this, israel that, yada yada...  i just stop reading somone's comment when i see the words palestine and israel.  these people require a pre-condition of peace between israel and palestine before tending to iranian problem.  they cannot separate the two issues.

furthermore, the iri apologists like to portray themselves in all shades from friendly (e.g. bavafa, abarmard) to hostile (e.g., q, no fear), from polite (np, irandokht) to rude (iri, khamenei).  before you know it, someone will claim to be a gay bahai who supports the regime.  it's all a game for these posers.

NP or CASMII  thoughts

NP's, MK's, Q's, or CASMII's  "thoughts" expressed on this blog or any other blog represent many things against which we should all  fight against if we don't want Iran to fall into their hands: reactionary narrow-mindedness, lack of fairness and balanced judgements, fatal incapacity to understand another person's perspective unless it's an identical copy of her own ideology, racism and bigotry lurcking hypocritically behind so-called a "critical stance", a basic lack of respect for peoples who are not of her exact IRI and Khomeinist make-up, an uncontrollable inclination towards fascist instincts expressed in the form of pseudo-intellectualism, cowardice to present her own points of view in a sincere and open manner, eagerness to undermine any other pov of  understandig of society and politics in the measure they manifest an irreverent desire for free thinking...etc., etc.,...

In short, she embodies, Hossein Shariati, the editor-in-chief of Kayhan, the chief propaganda arm of state mafia.

Ignore this one-eyed pirate of blogs.

She is  a hollow , empty head full of cliches that she parrots endlessly . It's an absolute waste of precious time to even read her militant tirades.

Mardom Mazloom,

I disagree with Truman's decision to use nukes against Japan, it was wrong (although it's a case of Monday morning quarter-backing as we're not in the hot-seat and we're not going up against a suicidal "kamakazi" mindset that was rampamt within the Japanese armed forces), but you're technically wrong when you say, "A mass-destruction weapon on the hands of the biggest democracy killed millions of lives 60 years ago..."

Millions were not killed, to be accurate. Estimates are around 260,000 killed in Nagasaki and another 280,000 in Hiroshima -- horrific numbers to be sure, and a historical tragedy, but technically, this does not amount to "millions," and is, in fact, much less than the number of people slaughtered by leftist heros like Stalin, Mao, and the Sorbonne educated Polpot.

You don't need nuclear weapons to be prolific at murder, just look at the case of the IRI over the last 31 years. Aside from the slaughterhouse of political prisoners in Iran, they unnecessarily prolonged and fed over 500,000 innocent Iranians into the meat grinder of war (against Iraq) so that they could solidify their power base in Tehran and liquidate their internal opposition, not to mention tens of thousands of ten-year-old boys with plastic keys to Heaven around their necks who were sent to the front lines of that bullshit war to walk on mines.

I rest my case.

Niloufar, aka, dokhtar-e-Palestine

How come you won't tell me HOW I'M A RACIST, you one-eyed jackal? You called me a racist -- show me where I said ANYTHING that makes me a racist, you vile propagandist?

You know what you are, you're a HIT and RUN blogger. You read something and if you don't like it (or rather, if it's something that shames your masters) you engage in a hit and run personal attack! You're vile! You're not even Iranian, I BET!!! Just like your pal, Marge!

Niloufar Palestine writes, "as for whether they can be 'trusted' to not destroy everything and everybody, i trust them."

You trust the IRI? Then why aren't you living in Iran, you shameless promoter of all vile things? Why aren't you holed up in the Islamic Republic along with your Ahmadi the monkey?

Niloufar khanoom,

I'm not saying that you're able to construct a nuclear bomb, if it was the case you would have already been offered a heavenly life in Israel ;) No, but by backing mullahs to have access to such weapons it's like you don't dislike such an eventuality.

In your response to DavidET you said: i don't trust the mullahs any more or less than the us or israel with technology, including nuclear.

Now you say, as for whether they can be 'trusted' to not destroy everything and everybody, i trust them.

!!

You either trust Mullahs and try to sareh maro shireh bemali, or you don't really trust Mullahs and have a precocious memory crack up.

Belakhareh ma koodoom harfeh shoma ro ghabool konim?

mazloom khan

i am truly flattered, but believe me, i can't give anyone any weapons! neither the technical ability nor the cash is with me :)

in a purely tactical sense, the mullahs would never be able to use nuclear weapons against iranians. it is just not practically possible. and if they were as warmongering as you state, they would at least invaded one country by now.

as for whether they can be 'trusted' to not destroy everything and everybody, i trust them. guess we have to agree to disagree.

i detect a bit of paranoia among some of my compatriots, and my intention was to tackle this crazy drive for sanctions and war among some iranians on the site head on. many innocent iranians' lives are at stake. i see more danger to iranian lives from a repetition of iraq than i do from the mullahs. this includes the events of last year. a thousand of those clashes pale in comparison to one day's worth of the kind of bombing that iraq suffered.

Peace

Niloufar khanoom,

I didn't participate to your blog as I was off this WE and comments just popped up on that thread these two days, and I was unable to read them all and to interact properly.

You are right in that, super-powers which dropped their deterrent weapons over human beings cannot be trusted, nor those countries which built such destructive weapons on the sly.

A mass-destruction weapon on the hands of the biggest democracy killed millions of lives 60 years ago, now imagine what such weapon would become in the hands of mullahs who didn't only impose a democratic regime but killed, raped, murdered people they are supposed to protect.

No mullahs cannot be trusted, that not because I have an agenda like some hatred people here who say the same thing, but because mullahs are ready to kill every single human being in Iran for one more day of rule.

Mullahs are killing Iran and Iranians slowly and you think of giving them a weapon that even God won't be able to stop them in their amok! the question is simply, why?

DK Jaan

The funny thing is that they expect these to be bad:

• Nothing wrong with being a Monarchist.
• Being pro gay rights ia a sign of an open mind.
• Pro Bush well not much of a compliment there!
• Zionist is the standard IRI slander to opponents. 

VPK

Look what the IRI is doing for Peace ! ...

Look what the IRI is doing for Peace :

Kayhan editor Hossein Shariatmadari the Mouth Piece of the Islamic Republic Slandering Iran's Only Nobel Peace Laureate 2003 Shirine Ebadi by calling her a monarchist, Gay Supporter and Pro Bush and Zionists amongst other things:

//iranian.com/main/blog/tapesh/hossein-shariatmadari-versus-shirin-ebadi

Worthy of Stalinist methods !

Oh and Stalin had the Bomb ! ... Now imagine These fellows with the Bomb which would guarantee them another 70 years of dictatorship like their former Soviet Bed fellows ...

I am sure for Peaceful purposes ...

Our Afghan neighbours got to appreciate their Peaceful intentions I am sure back in 1980 ...

Oh, you're so worried about Iran and Iranians...

NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your ONLY -- ONLY!!!!!!!!!!!! -- goal is for the IRI to survive! You don't give 2 shits about Iran or Iranians, you bankrupt, empty soul. If you had a soul, you wouldn't front for a rapist, murdering IRI at every turn, 24/7!

Your beloved IRI is pushing the engine of this insantiy (war/sanctions)! Bush the cowboy is GONE! A pacifist with a negotiations with no pre-conditions platform resides in the White House! Why don't your bankrupt employers unclench their filthy, blood-soaked fists and come to the table and negotiate? Because they want war, so they can crush their opposition in the name of national security! They want sanctions, so they can blame all of their incompetence on America and Israel.

Your accusations upon accusations (that I'm Israel, America, a racist) are indicative of your wholly bankrupt position. You have no position! You have nothing substantive to say other than to hurl accusations! You haven't told me why you accused me of being a racist. Why not? Tell me, you obfuscating propagandist, why am I a racist? That's a very provocative accusation. What is your basis for making such a vicious accusation, you craven IRI drone?

spear

the day i see stalin, japan or hitler threatening to attack iran, i will write against them, and way before you do, judging by the present evidence.

right now, we iranians are threatened with sanctions and war by americans and israelis like you. 

"mouthpiece for murder"

That's you, you craven tool -- you're the ANTI-IRANIAN traitor who pushes the IRI's agenda on this site 24/7. Who bombed Pearl Harbor, you illiterate bache-mullah? Who started that war between the US and Japan in 1941?

THE JAPANESE EMPIRE!

Don't you DARE pimp yourself as Neda's champion, you one-dimensional, bankrupt card-board cartoon. It was your employers who killed that poor girl -- don't you dare front yourself as the champion of Neda, you craven propagandist!

You're a shameless hypocrite with a twisted version of history. By the way, Truman, who ordered the Enola Gay to drop the bombs on Japan, eventually left office, voluntarily. Will Khamenei ever be booted out of office?

Stalin killed 30 million people. Mao killed over 50 million of his own people. Hitler, at least 10 million people. Do you REALLY want to go back to WWII? The total loss of life in Nagasaki and Hiroshima was 550,000. That's still far less than the numbers listed above, and yet, craven, intellectual midgets like you, who have MASSIVE OGHDEH AND HATRED for America can only bash America! BASH BASH BASH AMERICA while you give the rapist IRI a free pass at every turn. You're a despicable tool -- and by the way, I may have a new name, but be assured, I'm no "rookie" to this site.

And how am I racist, you morally bankrupt sorry excuse of a liar? How am I racist, you liar??? Have I said anything that would make me a racist? That's what you hezbollahis do best -- hurl LABELS when you have absolutely no moral ground -- so you try to attack me personally. That's what you IRI drones do best, whenever the person your arguing with fairly destroys your worthless arguments.

Am I a racist because I said the Japanese Empire started the war against America in 1941, by its surprise attack on Pearl Harbor? This makes me a racist???? You're dellusional, you vile propagandist!

spear

moral bankruptcy is your forte.

WWII was not started by japan, and by your own logic, the us should be nuclear bombed for attacking iraq without mercy or justification. what was the excuse for murdering a million people without reason? al qaeda attacks NY and you make excuses for the mass murder committed against a secular-led state? how dare you even mention 'morality' to me you sorry excuse for racist plunder.

and your solution to war is the use of nuclear weapons on innocent civilians? twice? the largest single act of terror inflicted in human history. 

as for the 'fraudulent' election, where is your proof? were you waiting for an election dispute in iran so that you could jump on the bandwagon to promote mass murder of iranians by proven imperialist psychopaths? don't you dare bring neda's name into your passion for war against iran. stay in the us and don't pretend to be anything other than a mouthpiece for murder. 

i understand that iran needs greater democracy far better than a corrupt, anti-iranian rookie like you. but i also understand that it cannot be blamed on a single group alone. they did not exactly walk in and destroy a pre-existing tradition of democracy now, did they?

george bush may be gone. but his spirit is alive and kicking with you. 

"Parsi"

Nagasaki and Heroshima were tragedies, indeed, but they happened in the context of a massive world war, one that was started by the Japanese. The murders of Neda and others last year were in the context of a supposed presidential "election." Do you understand the difference, you morally bankrupt, sorry person?

In the case of Heroshima, the foreign power (USA) who dropped the bomb had suffered tens of thousands of casaulties itself at the hands of the Japanese Empire (which had not only invaded China and Korea, but had turned the entire female population in Korea into prostitutes for Japanese soldiers).

In the case of the fraudulent elections in Iran, it was our own leaders, who raped, molested and murdered innocent Iranian men and women for merely asking that their votes be counted accurately - do you understand this bit of difference?

Further, the US is a democracy where it's leaders can be held accountable every four years! Iran is a ruthless theocratic dictatorship, pure and simple, and as we found out to our collective horrors in the last presidential "selection," our leaders are not fairly elected in an open system and thus cannot be held accountable for the destructive decisions they make. Do you understand this bit of difference?

George Bush and co., the cabal that you love to hate, made bad decisions according to you, but they're gone now. However, Khamenei and co. will never be discharged of their duties (short of a revolution), no matter how much they f**k the nation over! Do you understand this bit of difference?

Who am I kidding, you're a lost cause!

mazloom khan

the point you make about 'trust' is the very issue that i try to address in another blog i wrote recently. how is that when one million people are murdered by us and israeli actions in the middle east we do not talk about the 'national character' of these nations' leaders? how is it that after hiroshima and nagasaki some people can put their trust in us leadership, but when the mullahs - inexcusably - caused the death of hundreds in iran last year, it becomes 'proof' that they cannot be trusted with nuclear technology? i just want a rational answer. and one that does not border on typical aryan racism encountered here (i don't mean from you).

Peace

keep wishing and dreaming

take a look around, you will see that most suicide bombers happen to be Muslim

All young martyrs that were killed in Iraq-Iran war by detoning themselves under Iraqi tanks were very religious

Now do you really think you have any chance against people if they are armed with belief in God, Mohammad and ALi???

Maybe, Reza Pahlavi can promise you many things but he doesn;t have the keys to Heavan because both his lifestyle and his sayings have made him ineligible to even hold the keys to Heavan!

Mr Khamenie holds the keys! One sermon and a promise of Heavan and you will see all your dreams evaporate!

Sorry but that's reality! Welcome to it!

Deterrence

the government of IRI has been emphatic about no building nukes. Not for any reason. Therefore the deterrence argument does not fit their line. Nuclear is a deadened on so many fronts. I don't know where to begin. There is never a justification for their use against people. In fact I am hard pressed except for some Science Fiction scenario to think how it would be useful. An idiotic invention made by assholes and only good for assholes.

Better keep as far away from them as possible.

Nothing good will ever come out of this nuke thing. It will not make Iran safer. It is a waste of time and Iranian work.

VPK

shazde jan

with all due respect, i think that you're giving way too much credit to ahmadi.  do you think he's in the same position of power as hitler?  do you think that the iri regime will change if he's removed?  there are plenty of nochehs with no morals ready to replace him (and khamenei).  at any rate, i enjoy your reading your passionate blogs.

Quizz:

Do you know why all IRI lovers write either in lowercase or highlight their BS that they think important?

Is it because of a personality underestimation?  Or, it goes back to their communist background of treating everything without favoritism? Or (for the high-lightness) they think that they haven't been heard by their parents when they were kid?

shazde....you have reached your expiration date

stop taking out the failures in your personal life on the iranian government....iranian government is not responsible for turning you into a violent and angry person who couldn't live side by side with another person!!!

Niloofar khanoom,

Is it in our national character to rape, torture, kill our children when they express peacefully themselves?

You've already said that you don't trust Mullahs, right?, so when they got their nuclear weapons do you trust them to not use them if their miserable lives (not iranians) are threaten?

Mullahs should first to be ousted out of the country as they are Iran's public enemies number 1. When they get ousted Iranians will decide upon their national character to what to do to protect themselves. 31 years of hell for Iranians are enough, don't you think so?

AO

i would have thought that you would be a big fan of reagan and imperialism.

as for military expansionism, you appear unclear about what iran is aiming at. the point is to develop nuclear capability, which the way i understand it means reaching a level of technology development that enables you to make bombs if it becomes imperative within a few weeks/months. it is a deterrent in that way.

in this sense, it is a defensive and non-expansionist deterrent. of course it can be turned into an offensive weapon if mass produced and stockpiled, like the case with the us and israel. i suppose if iran were to turn into and mimic israel and the us style of interventionism and pre-emptive strikes, it would be a different story. but luckily, we are not there yet. and i do not see much evidence that iran would become a warmonger like israel or usa. it is not in our national character for some centuries now. what in you makes you think otherwise? the american in you?

ps ever noticed that gem of a dig at reagan in the first of the matrix trilogy? great movie! :)

Niloufar, you sound like Ronald Reagan & George W. Bush combined

"Nuclear deterrence"?  Are you kidding me?!!!!  Are these the 1970's and 1980's?!!!!  You sound just like Ronald Reagan in that regard.

:-)))).

And, as benross said, I thought that the IRI nuclear program was peaceful.  Since when did it turn into a military "deterrence"? 

Also, what about nuclear weapons for "security"?  That's Gorge W. Bush talk, you know. Fear mongering to militarize the society. :-))))

And Niloufar Jaan, I thought you were against "imperialism", "militarism", "expansionism" and all other nasty "isms".  But here you are, advocating IRI's imperialism and military expansion through nuclear weapons.  My, my, what in the world has happened to our "peace loving" Niloufar?  Well, perhaps no such person ever existed, wouldn't you say? :-)))  

Again, do we want to live

Again, do we want to live in a neighborhood that is armed to the teeth with nukes, all around us? Is that in the interest of Iran and Iranians? Or is it just in the interest of the IRI to have nukes, which is your agenda?

You're a cowardly sort and a traitor to the Iranian nation! You're probably not even Iranian! Just so you know, IRI does NOT represent the interest of Iran and Iranians! It never has, and it never will! It only serves its own twisted purposes, period! 

I find her one of the most reactionary entities on this site. She seems to have unlimited time to spend here on IC to spew her boring vevak talking points, which have been  previously debunked a hundred times here on IC.

benross Jaan That's because Iran is signitory of the NPT ;0)

The Niloufar Parsi Treaty ...

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_ISgDVw-nY

It can be summed up in 5 points:

1)  Deny the Holocaust

2) Get the Bomb

3) Help the Palestinians Bomb the Shit out of Isreal

4) Make Sure the Iranians continue to be raped, killed while their tax money goes to finance the Hamas and Hezbollah Terrorists.

5) Create a New World Order with IRI Values and Priorities on Top of the List.

Amen ...

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4VlruVG81w

an exception for a dear dokhi

yes, i am against iri becoming a nuclear power, because the islamist-terrorists in tehran can't be trusted with it.

iri does not represent my country, but an ideological nightmare which has taken our nation hostage.

MM jaan

Very interesting. The main thing they accomplished was to remove any hint of legitimacy. This may have temporarily stabilized the regime. But it puts it in the same shoes as the Shah after the CIA coup. No one will accept them as a legitimate rule. The IRI will not last long going down this path.

Assasination of Khomeini???

Someone earlier mentioned that it would have been a good idea if somebody had shot down Khomeini's Pan Am flight back to Iran from Paris on Feb. 1, 1979. I couldn't disagree more.

Just imagine if Khosrodad, Naji or Oveissi had killed Khomeini before he set foot in Iran -- his depraved supporters would've hailed the illiterate, blood-thirsty mullah as "Imam Zaman," and they would've erected thousands of statues in his honor all over Iran for a thousand years to come. And if things would not have turned out well in Iran, his supporters forever would've cried about how "if only that blood-thirsty Shah had not killed Khomeini, Imam would have ushered Paradise on the soil of Iran for a thousand years!"

And you and me couldn't have proved them wrong! Now, we all know better. This revelation has undoubtedly come at a huge cost, but the cost in my opinion was worth it. The Shah wisely allowed the mullah to come back so he could shit on himself and the people could see with their own eyes that Khomeini was nothing more than a depraved, perverted, bache-baz charlatan, with nothing but blood on his mind.

IRI represents political Islam, not Iran