For an Islamic Democracy

Mumbo jumbo, that's what his manifesto is

One fact followed by ten lies. And again. One fact, ten lies.

Twisted, deranged mind.

Salman there is a difference

The people in iranian.com did mostly not willing left Iran. Many had family members killed, tortured or had to endure other hardship in name of Islam, and nobody religious like yourself said one thing. So the mullah extremism in Iran has fed the extremism you mention here. I do not beleive in Islam but do not like this extremism you mention as well. It does not have anything positive.

On the other hand, islamic democracy is no democracy since sharia is not democratic and you cannot negotiate with that.

oon yaro: Are you for

oon yaro: Are you for real?? Violence begets violence. What is the difference between us and the Islamist who kill indiscriminately in the name of God?

You sound like a very disturbed individual...get some help.

..."The suspect has said

..."The suspect has said staged the bombing and youth camp rampage as "marketing" for his manifesto calling for a revolution that would rid Europe of Muslims.

"The operation was not to kill as many people as possible but to give a strong signal that could not be misunderstood that as long as the Labor Party keeps driving its ideological lie and keeps deconstructing Norwegian culture and mass importing Muslims then they must assume responsibility for this treason," according to the English translation of Heger's ruling that was read out after the hearing.

Breivik alluded to two other "cells" of his network -- which he imagines as a new Knights Templar, the medieval cabal of crusaders who protected Christian pilgrims in the Holy Land. At one point, his manifesto briefly referred to an intention to contact two other cells, but no details were given.

European security officials said they were aware of increased Internet chatter from individuals claiming they belonged to the Knights Templar group and were investigating claims that Breivik, and other far-right individuals, attended a London meeting of the group in 2002...

//www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/25/norway-attacks-police_n_908647.html

A sociopath manifesto! The Zionism advocacy quote!

  Here is quote from the Norway sociopath's manifesto:  

 "Jews that support multiculturalism today are as much of a threat to Israel and Zionism (Israeli nationalism) as they are to us. So let us fight

together with Israel, with our Zionist brothers against all anti-Zionists, against all cultural Marxists/multiculturalists. Conservative Jews were loyal to Europe and should have been

rewarded. Instead, he just targeted them all… So, are the current Jews in Europe and US

disloyal? The multiculturalist (nation-wrecking) Jews ARE while the conservative Jews

ARE NOT. Aprox. 75% of European/US Jews support multiculturalism while aprox. 50% of

Israeli Jews does the same. This shows very clearly that we must embrace the remaining

loyal Jews as brothers rather than repeating the mistake of the NSDAP. Whenever I

discuss the Middle East issue with a national socialist he presents the anti-Israeli and

pro-Palestine argument. He always seem unaware of the fact that his propaganda is

hurting Israeli nationalists (who want to deport the Muslims from Israel) and that he is in

fact helping the Israeli cultural Marxists/multiculturalists with his argumentation. In all

five discussions they have moderated or fully changed their views after the discussion as

they realize what they have done. But I was unable to discuss this issue further after I

was banned and kicked out by Stormfront and another national socialist forum.

In any case; educate yourself and learn the difference. Today’s conservatives and wantto-

be Nazis are ignorant when they obsess so much over the Jews. There is no Jewish

problem in Western Europe (with the exception of the UK and France) as we only have 1

million in Western Europe, whereas 800 000 out of these 1 million live in France and the

UK. The US on the other hand, with more than 6 million Jews (600% more than Europe)

actually has a considerable Jewish problem. But please learn the difference between a

nation-wrecking multiculturalist Jew and a conservative Jew. Don’t make the same

mistake that NSDAP did. Never target a Jew because he is a Jew, but rather because he

is a category A or B traitor. And don’t forget that the bulk of the category A and B traitors

are Christian Europeans. 90% of the category A and B traitors in my own country,

Norway, are Nordic, Christian category A and B traitors."

The Irrelevance of the Knights in a Global Society

//www.juancole.com/2011/07/the-irrelevance-of...

Mr. Andres Behring Breivik is the man for the job!

He should be elevated to the commander of forces fighting against the Islamic terrorist around the world. His anger and convictions should be channelized for the right cause that is to fight the evil Islamists.

They should make all sorts of soft and hard tools and weapons available to him. If anybody, he is the one who has the guts and can easily bring the problem of the extremist Islamists to an end. An end where the rest of the civilized world can breath easily.

وقتی میگم 

آخه انسان حسابی ، همینکه فهمیدی از یک خانواده بهائی، دیگه تا ته قضیه را
خوندی؟ نه عزیز جان کماکان خر خودتی، و حماری بسیار پر از بی تحملی و
تبعیض.
تو استاد دانشمند اگر خیلی فارسی سرت میشه بیا اینجا به زبان فارسی برای
همه ما بگو نظر دوستار در مورد دین در دوران هخامنشیان چیست؟ و همچنین نقد و
نظر ایشان  در مورد  ناصر خسرو، فردوسی، ابن‌سینا. این گوی و این میدان.

Islam's "many facets"

True. And my advice to my muslim friends (I have many despite my own declared atheism) is to join the rest of us in combatting this criminal, fascistic, revolting facet of islam ( Velayat - e- Faghih) which has been the main cause of islamophobia from Norway to LA and Tehran.

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_al-Husseini

For the records, I'd have no problem with having islamist justice executed on Ahmadinezhad and Khamenei and their criminal gang, for their crimes on muslim people worldwide.

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

I actually read

parts of 2083 A European Declaration of Independence .

It is interesting to see the actual level of detail in this document. The document contains a lot of researched facts but unfortunately a lot of wrong analysis and conclusions. His views are obviously right wing conservative, however he specifically wanted to distant himself from the nazis although the rethorics are the same...

In his document he explains that he is a "knight" (crusader) that want a europe without the current muslim population. He also mentions different deporting strategies, e.g. involving buying out the muslims. It is interesting to read his analysis. E.g. in the case of the muslims he says that deporting will solve his problem, however he also mentions that many functions in the society would be damaged if the muslims were deported, after this recognition he strangely says "it is ok"!?

His violent acts are meant for current western regimes, that is, how to overthrow them in order to gain power. He also explains how this can be done in detail: terrorist acts, how to make explosives, objectives etc etc....

His critics of the muslims is rather uncompromizing, but he brings up a lot of issues which still is under debate even in democratical societies. He has personally read the bible, the quran, avesta and many other books. He explains in detail the parts of the quran which in his interpretation makes muslims "evil", however this sorts of extreme material can be found in the old testament as well.

Unlike the nazis he is not a holocaust denier. Instead he brings up the killings that have been done in the name of islam and even goes as far as saying that the zoroastrian fate should be restored in northen Iran!? At the same time he neglects the killings done in the name of christianity.

He also mentions that people that live in gated societies towards other societies are successful. E.g. the seperation between the israelis and the palestinians is a successful example in his opinion. 

I have read enough of his revisionisms

These historical revisionisms are laughable, uncritical and ahistorical to the point that very few legitimate academic historians would take seriously. I don't care if his best friend was Jalal Al-e Ahmad or even Ehsan Tabari. This Dostar is one in a long line of historical revisionists and the fact that you say he is from a Bahai family pretty much tells me everything about where his true agenda lies and so reinforces my original conviction about not taking the guy seriously.

Give me Marshall Hodgson, Farhad Daftary, Henry Corbin, E.G.  Browne, Hamid Dabashi, Wilfred Madelung, Muhammad Qazvini and Ali-Akbar Dehkhoda any day!

Go learn some Farsi yourself.

When you were a baby, Aramesh Dostar was exchanging letters with

Jalal Al Ahmad and such. Is anyone forcing you to write obtuse comments on matters and individuals you simply don't know anything about. Oh yeah he' also from a Bahai family, and his father used to work for Shah, and as a youngster sometimes he forgot to wash his hands before dinner.

Now that you know all the essential facts about Mr. Dostar's life, go and learn some farsi , and start reading his works. They are as an immanent critiques as Iran has ever produced.

این که فحش نیست اقسین زاد تعارفات معمولی است

در ضمن مواظب باش در چشم این اسلام ستیزان افشین دیومین خائن بعد از سلمان هست. از ما گفتن

 For an Islamic democracy

Recite as long as you wish but you can't understand a word of it

Your comments give the game away Houshang (oops I meant brother Ghasem).

 For an Islamic democracy

عجب روزگاری شده

دموکراسی اسلامی هم تحمل تنش را نداره، پس دموکراسی چی شد. برادر اسلامی حق فخش را برای خودش میدهد ولی اگر خدای اسلامی ان نکرده کسی بخواهد بگه بالای چشم اسلام عزیزش مرگ است از تمام ایرانیان مثل برادران جمهوری شیطانیاش همه راتروریست و دشمن دشمن اسلام میخواند، پس عاقبت دموکراسی اسلامی ایشان, همان پهنی است که داره ایران را ویران میکند. عجب رویی هم داره که با اینهمه گندیات ۳۳ سال کثافت کاری هنوز میخواهند اسلام را برای ما بفروشند، زمانی که گندید دیگر اشغالدانی مشتری است نه کس دیگری. اشغال همیشه جایش اشغالدانی خواهد بود. حالا برادر دمکراسی اسلامی جای خودو ادرس اسلام را شناختی؟

Nothing wrong with Heidegger except his Nazism

But he has also influenced one of my intellectual heroes, a Frenchman and Iranologist who Aramesh Dostar (that sounds like a non-Iranian Indian Parsi name btw) couldn't hold a candle to: Henry Corbin.

I didn't confuse you with freethought, me thinks he's SP

As far as you are concerned: I could still recite Koran better than you. Chew on that.

While chewing, you may ponder on this notion that : at some point in your life you need to understand the differentiaition between Iranian expereince of Islam, and everybody elses.

Vildi are you refering to Ghasem's hamshahri

Told you are a great laugh to have around LOL

 For an Islamic democracy

Mr Aramesh Dostar

With all due respect, can come and kiss my hairy Iranian behind. I don't care if he has spent 10 decades working on his thesis. He is wrong. His revisionisms are ahistorical nonsense and he doesn't know what he is talking about. Invite him here and I will happily wipe the floor with his revisionisms.

Aramesh Doostdar?

Oh, I see you mean that follower of Heidegger, Nazi philosopher. And you are calling Freethought a Nazi?!! Told you you are beesavaad MG.

 For an Islamic democracy

مجسمه بلاهت،

مجسمه بلاهت، موسوم به 'فکر آزاد' ، حیف که فارسی نمیفهمی و سرت نمیشه   وگرنه

MG jan dastet dard nakoneh. I needed this laugh after all these jafangiat by the Islamist who supports MEK  and Islamic democracy at the same time.

Houshang, I mean Mash Ghasem :))

Don't confuse me with Freethough111. I am just a beesavaad talabeh from Ghom but he is the God's gift to knowledge, wisdom and love of the beloved God.

Having said that I am more basavaad than all you Islamophobes put together multiplied by infinity.

Got it?

 For an Islamic democracy

"freethought" your bizzar replies and utterly uneducated

comments make you the Nazi of the moment. For your obtuse apologist info, Mr. Aramesh Dostar has spent THREE DECADES working on his thesis, and you without the trouble of even glancing at it, just know off your vast arrogant, ignorant nothingness, what he's talking about. How low and degenrated can you get?

To All Islamist ...

Tell me if the IRI is not the true face of Islam, who among all the islamic countries is? Among all the islamic countries, which country do you think has the most authentic islam in your view? Or is there any?

The fact is that if you look at any Moslem country, there is not one that has any shred of humanity and freedom in them. All moslem countries are like a mostarah. No freedom, no respect for any personal god given liberties.

And if there is any, why you guys rather to live in the west as oppose to a moslem country?

امتناع تفکر در فرهنگ دینی

فهمت میرفت بالا. این فشرده ی است از 

تز "امتناع تفکر در فرهنگ دینی"

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Cousin Vilds

You may ignore me as much as you like but how can I ever ignore you, after all you bring laughter to whatever site you contribute to and I always welcome a good laugh :))

 For an Islamic democracy

SF - the word brother is waaaaaay overused by "yous"

I assume you also refer to our exchange in a different blog today where I told you to stop calling me your brother. 

First - The wardens in Evin, Gohardasht and the other IRI-hotels also called us brothers and my Mom a sister, and on the other side of the wall refused to dispense my dad's medications which we brought for him or did whatever..... to make him limp and look 20 years older.  They probably called my dad "brother or maybe even father" too while torturing him.  So, call whoever you consider your brethren a brother, but when you call me brother, it does not sit right with me.

Second - I am not about being against Muslims.  I just do not like political Islam whose supporters are called the Islamists, especially the kind currently  dominating Iran which BTW are called Koffar by the Sunni Shaikhs in Saudi Arabia.  If you still do not understand the differences between a Muslim and Islamist, I suggest you read a 2002 article by Ladan and Roya Boroumand (TERROR, ISLAM, AND DEMOCRACY) or look at my blog called Muslim versus Islamist: Why Islamism is Incompatible with Democracy.

DK: Thanks for posting that

DK: Thanks for posting that link. good one.

MG: Right-winger bloggers

MG: Right-winger bloggers circumspect in wake of Terror in Norway.

//www.dailykos.com/story/2011/07/25/998605/-Right-wing-bloggers-suddenly-circumspect-in-wake-of-Norway-attacks-?via=siderecent

I wish our right-wingers did the same thing when they rampage the streets with chain, knives and bullets from the rooftops...

What you are advocating as long term process

Is what the Nazis identified by the term kulturkampf. You will get nowhere with your long term process other than igniting another endless cycle of violence and political upheavel that will last centuries and get nowhere.