Roozbeh_Gilani

VPK and cheerleaders!

Huh I did not know I had any. Really just a few days ago I was being roasted alive over the "hikers". Mammad you are you worst enemy. Insulting Vildermose is not helping your credibility.

Be respectful and you may get some in return. Be rude and the favor is returned. Why don't you take RG's advise. If you have something to say about the blog say it. If not leave the jabs out and go do something useful.

Mammad:

You yourself go up the wall as a result of not carefully reading or not wanting to understand others' views and demonstrate very little patience towards those who get into arguments with you. So, unless you think you are right all the time, why can't you accept the fact that others may become impatient with your views, as well?

GR

What is your point? Have I denied saying these? Have I changed my mind? Not at all. Good or bad, terrible, excellent or mediocare, I have been consistent.

And, what do these have to do with the argument between me, VPK, and his cheer leader? You have nothing to do on a slow Friday, and trying to steer something up that is not even the issue?

Mammad

iraj khan: do you have anything about the blog topic itself

to say? If so, I'd like to hear it.

And The Polite MD's Comment;

Mammad Aghaby Another MD (not verified) on Thu Jan 03, 2008 01:22 PM PSTI was partially agreeing with you until you said "if such things are democratic characteristics, the IRI has far too many democratic characteristics, because the amount of work that has been done in Iran ever since the end of Iran/Iraq war is fantastic."

HG: Here's a Longer Version!

Hey another MD!by Mammad (not verified) on Mon Dec 31, 2007 12:49 PM PSTYou know nothing about the Shah's regime, or you conveniently forget the little that you may know and, therefore, your nonsense. Read to learn, have an open mind, instead of constantly bragging about your MD!5. What are the "democratic characteristics" that the Shah's regime had? Name one!6. As horrible as the IRI is, it is far more open than anything that the Shah's regime was. Just read Alam's memoir: The Shah's regime was about a few whose only concerns were who slept with whom, who was cheating behind whose back, who had a higher commission, who was a better nokar to the Shah and better baleh ghorbaan goo, and who had stolen more.Read, instead of attacking people groundlessly.With your behavior, MD means something very different and apt, mad d...

rahmanian, eyval, that was

rahmanian, eyval, that was funny.  just for the record, mammali is not an insult; it's an endearing term when calling a mammad. in pakistan, it might be a different story though.

i also find it ironic how those who usually like to talk about israel/palestine/zionists avoided the topic of the blog!

Iraj Khan

I only speak for myself. None of the words you say were mine. The only things I said is  he is a follower of Shariati which he said himself. And that he messed up in supporting the revolution. That is not an "insult" the revolution was a mess. Anyone who supported it messed up and big time. Why are about 10% of Iraians outside of Iran now. I know I would be back home if Shahi system was still in power. No question and if RP ggot in power tomorrow I will move back.

Twisting Facts!

Nobody has called Mammad, "Dumb & Dumber!" He cannot be both at the same time, can he?

So

far,

just in the last 5, 6 comments mammad has been called 'dumb' or 'dumber'

he has been called Mammali,

accused of having emotional problems.

Well I see a lot less emotional reaction from him than other.

If this is not an abusive language then what is it?

I'm just saying.

Iraj

Mammad Cools Down!

I did cool down!by Mammad (not verified) on Mon Dec 31, 2007 09:59 PM PSTDear another MD:First of all, I apologize for using bad words.Thank you for being so civil.

Here's A Sample of Mammad's Civility!

Hey another MD!by Mammad (not verified) on Mon Dec 31, 2007 12:49 PM PSTYou know nothing about the Shah's regime, or you conveniently forget the little that you may know and, therefore, your nonsense. Read to learn, have an open mind, instead of constantly bragging about your MD!Read, instead of attacking people groundlessly.With your behavior, MD means something very different and apt, mad d...

Iraj Khan

I have agreed with you at times; disagreed other times. Hence I do not take sides. But Mammad is not as calm as you make him sound. A while ago I tried to bury the differences with him. Apologized for being "rude" to him. It sounded like he was going to put things behind and open a new page. But then he started it all over again. I have a right over how I feel about organized religion. I don't make exceptions I don't like any of them. Nothing personal about him or his religion. 

But he chose to take it as a personal attack. I said I support his right to practice Islam. But not force his religion on me. What else does he want. I think all religions are cults. I don't want to ban them I don't want to discriminate against Islam. When I was a manager I made special exceptions to let Muslim workers take Friday afternoon off for Mosque. Which is by the way more than most managers do. What does he want me to do? My opinion never made me abuse a Muslim.

I think he did mess up and so did all who supported the revolution. Iran was better off with the Shah. The revolution was doomed as soon as people said "Khomeini". We should have stopped when Bakhtiyar got in power. I stand by this and challenge anyone to prove me wrong. I bet most real Muslims agree that IRI hurt Islam.

Dumb & Dumber?

Dumb & Dumber? Or simply regime's apologists?

mammad,

Telling it as it is,

As a secular Iranian I appreciate your cool and calm approach when it comes to emotionally charged subjects.

You have a logical nonviolent style of analyzing the issues at hand while many others don't have this quality. Iranians inside and outside the country need more levle headed individuals like you who can articulate their point of view without name calling and disrespecting others.

I'm just saying

Iraj

Dear Vildermose

The issue with Mammad and other people in his situation is anger. He and other followers of Shariati messed up. There are two ways to deal with it:

• Admit their mistake apologize and work to rectify it as much as possible.
• Blame other people who had nothing to do with it. You and I on IC. 

The first requires admission of guilt and mistake. The second puts the blame on others. Fine blame me. I did not go and make that mess. Nor did you. We are totally blameless in the mess. I have heard this about "not real Islam" for years. Oh the revolution got hijacked. Right who marched for Khomeini it was not me. Who worked up the students into a rage to overthrow the Shah. Now they all move to the West then blame others. It is their way of deflecting responsibility.

Shariati was a fraud and a tool of anti-Iranian forces. People who followed him were taken. Right thing to do is to say I *** up. Sorry I truly messed up. But that is not in human nature. So they try to find you or I to blame. 

 Mammali: Highly

 Mammali: Highly projective and self-reavealing...On a serious note, I really don't have any rage toward you, you are a nobody to me. Why would I even bother...I feel pity for you and your reformist minions. Like I previously noted, please get some professional/spiritual assistance in sorting out your fears, doubts, and teripedations. Screaming at me or VPK will not resolve any of your deeply seated emotional problems.

Reform requires the consent of the corrupt

Oh, come on vildemose!

Calm down. Have some milk. Go out for a walk. Don't let your rage get the best of you, and put you here on 24/7 alert! Have a nice weekend! So long, until your next insult!

Mammad

RG

Of course, there is nothing wrong. The lady agreed with VPK that "all religions are cult," and because I was under the impression that she was a Bahai, I remarked that if she really mean it, she should declare that that is also a cult. What is wrong with that? I also said that if my remark offended her, I apologize, unlike her that each time she writes, she has some insults mixed with salt and pepper!

This is a perfect example of saying one thing as clearly as possible, yet, due to the baseless hatred that a person feels towards another person, she completely turns it upside down!

Mammad

mamali, good for you. 

mamali, good for you.  Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwn. 

Reform requires the consent of the corrupt

VPK and vildemose

VPK:

As I said twice before, let's move on. I have nothing against you or your cheerleader. But, I will also speak my mind, when necessary.

Vildemose:

The more you write and the more you insult, the more you reveal who you are. You seem to be in a rage!

I have never been a "cause," let alone a "lost" one! I assure you that I will not lose any sleep for being a "lost cause!"

Thank you for your "soft spot" for my naivete, but, no, thanks. I pass! It appears that next to that "soft spot" there is some hatred!

And, I put up my track record, political and otherwise, against yours any time!

Once again, begin contributing meaningfully, rather than only cheer-leading others. If you have nothing meaningful to say, I suggest that you keep silent, but "salaah-e mamlekat-e khish khosrowan daanand!" Just a suggestion!

Mammad

Nothing wrong with being a Bahai...

 or Muslim, or Jew, or christian or Hindu or whatever religion.

Everything is wrong with persecuting a person for his/her religious beliefs. In case of Iranian bahaiis, sadly, they are being used as  scapegoats by the islamist regime (and indeed by the corrupt shia clergy since well before  Pahlavis came to power..), almost the same way as Nazis used Jews as scapegoats.

BTW, I have also been "accused" of being a Bahai for stating above, just the same way as "accused" of being a Kurd, Sunni, Stalinist, Marxist-Leninist, Mossad, Jew, MKO, Monarchist, Lobbyist, neo_con, etc. Bunch of oxymorons indeed:)

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Dear VPK: LOL Yes, He is

Dear VPK: LOL

Yes, He is a lost cause. His angst is probably not related to anything he stands for. I'm reminded of this saying, "Be kind to everyone because everyone is fighting a battle--Plato

I still have a soft spot for  his naivete and respect his as a human being. His dogma, I have no use for. 

//thinkexist.com/quotation/be_kind-for_everyone_you_meet_is_fighting_a/14459.html

Reform requires the consent of the corrupt

Dear Vildermose

You are right. I tried to be reasonable with Mammad. But he won't accept my hand of friendship. Then fine I am a Bahai so is my cousin and my ex wife :-) {sarcasm} In fact the trilateral commission is run by Bahais!

Mammad: You are

Mammad: You are more hopeless than I thought. Throwing nonsensical accusations (not that anything is wrong with being Bahai) at random is the hallmark of SAVAMA agents.... You're a vindictive, hopeless, shell of a man...Obviously, your religious beliefs have not done you an ounce of good. At least try to practice your belief...As far as I can recall, Islam is anthitetical to everything you stand for.

 I was born in a muslim family. My mother's family are hardcore muslims even before the Islamic debacle of 1979.

Stop your idiotic diatribe and grow up and re-visit your Islamic teachings as soon as you can...

Reform requires the consent of the corrupt

Mammad

Mammad

It is getting late so I will just say:

one cannot separate a person from his belief

Yes it is possible I may respect you but not Islam. I don't like Islam but I like you and SK. OK? Why do we have to be defined by our religion?

VPK

First of all, one cannot separate a person from his beliefs and say, "I respect you, but not your religion." A person's beliefs are almost everything that he/she is. My thinking is largely based on my religion.

Secondly, I could not care less whether you or anyone else for that matter respects me or my religion or not. I have a thick skin.

Third, again, I only pointed out a fact. Let's leave it at that and move on. But, in my opinion we also need to be consistent in what we say. If you think you are, fine. If not, consider making a change for the better.

Mammad

Vildemose

First of all, if you are a Bahai, then that is just fine with me. I respect my Bahai compatriots as citizens of Iran, and God only knows how many times I have evaluated their academic transcripts that they get from their online university in Iran, which is now under attack by the VF regime.

Secondly, if you are not, I take it back. If it was an affront to you, I apologize. 

Third, I suggest that you get some control on your behavior. Since you never, in my opinion, contribute anything deep or useful to the debates, and only cheer on those who attack the people that you do not like, including me, the least that you can do is remaining civilized.

You have called me in the past a bore, a fraud, deterioting mentally and physically, and now I have gone bonkers. I neither need an apology, nor do I ask for one, nor do I believe in sincerity of one, if offered. But, I invite others to consider what you are doing.

VPK: remind her of your blog on civility and check whether she said "I agree with you VPK!"

Mammad

Thanks for the comments...

Most of you seem to agree with my general arguement that Palistine /Israel issue seem to be getting just too much attention on this site, at the expense of issues relating to Iran. And it is becoming a very divicive issue, primarily, in my belief, due to Islamist regime's false claim on "defending the palistinian people's rights". I in fact I happen to think that a just settlement for palistinian people's demands would as much help the cause of democracy in Iran as overthowing of islamist regime would help the just cause of palistinian people.

Of those who disagreed with me: Mamad, I am sorry that you have an issue with my arguement, although you seem to agree with me that we Iranians are the only people who should fix our countrie's problems, regardless of what I and you consider to be the "correct fix". I did try to be balanced by criticizing both sides of debate for attacking each other using what I consider to be  racial and religious insults and profanity.

Yes, a blog on why 1979 revolution  failed would be a great topic. However, My own memories of the 1979 revolution as an 8 year old boy are bitter sweet memories of first  seeing my beloved uncle being released by the people from SAVAK's Jail. Next seeing him  arrested soon after the revolution by the islamists, and not seen for another 6-7 years, eventualy dying as a result of all the tortures at the hands of Shah and Sheikh,  before he was even 40. Or hearing about two 14 year old boys who used to play football with us on the dusty footbal pitch in narmak, executed on street corner for attending a demo.   I believe one of many informed bloggers here, including yourself who happened to be adults at the time and witnessed the actual events are far more qualified, and  should write about this great popular Revolution and how and why it went so wrong so tragically... 

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."