I understand the bitterness that exists between us and the supporters of GM. This is my attempt to explain our positions and goals to those who lost in the election or others. I will try to have an open mind and to respect the boundaries of a civil discussion. I am willing to change my position if proved wrong, but nevertheless, will give your arguement my full attention. However, certain principles should be respected in this thread if you wish to participate in this discussion.
1- Iran's integrity and sovereignty is not up for discussion.
2- Islam and religion should be respected in this discussion
Everything else is fair game. Lets start by a series of short answers and questions and see where that leads us. Anyone can join the discussion at anytime whether pro or against.
Please be civil in your discussion.
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Open end questions will be ignored, try to be specific please.
by No Fear on Wed Nov 18, 2009 04:01 PM PSTI will return in few hours to answer Q questions. Those are the hardest ones.
Open end questions will be ignored, try to be specific please.
by No Fear on Wed Nov 18, 2009 03:57 PM PSTWhat does AN has done to improve the living condition for the people of Iran (socially, politically and financially)
I will address some points
Raising low income families income (short term), eliminating subsidies on a variety of services and product (long term), closure of unprofitable manufactures(short term), creating new industries, such as nuclear, aviation, space , nano,.. (long term), introducing proper tax system (long term), fighting corruption (short term). etc etc
what does AN done to strengthen Iran internationally?
Do you mean in terms of what others think about us? Probabely not much. But he did got us out of the treacherous deal that Khatami was making with the west while they were all smiling. i am talking about Iran to be allowed to have only three spinning sentrifuses for research purposes only. I guess Khatami did better to strengthen Iran internationally.
What does AN done to improve/lessen the prejudice and prosecution of Bahai, homosexual and other minorities?
Not much. The decision is not his to make. Look somewhere else for answer. Maybe the " Majae tashkhiseh maslahat" headed by hashemi rafsanjani?
what is his stands on democracy vs. dictatorship?
too broad and open ended. Be more specific.
No Fear: if truly there is No Fear
by Bavafa on Wed Nov 18, 2009 03:53 PM PSTThen what's up with all the people beating on the streets by the uniformed and plain cloth "GUARDS"?
Mehrdad
Fear
by cyclicforward on Wed Nov 18, 2009 03:33 PM PSTThe answer to all of this is very simple and really is not open to discussion. People will go to the streets and will challenge this government. If they are right no amount of word from you and/or me can make any difference.
For the record, people are fed up and will protest until they eliminate this murderous theocracy from Iran.
Open end questions will be ignored, try to be specific please.
by No Fear on Wed Nov 18, 2009 03:30 PM PSTWhy do hezballhi and basiji like you view Iran as their ATM machine to expand their militant version of Islam throughout the region?
The basij and sepah personnel are some of the most under privileged groups of our society even though they gave the most. The truth is that many seasoned politicians have become corrupted and have deviated from the goals of our revolution. It is time for these corrupted dinosaurs who are living in their billion dollar mansions to step aside and be accounted for their wealth. We should all fight against corruption.
We will continue to support our friends around the world specially those who are located strategically close to our enemies. This goes without question.
Rape, torure. eye removels.
by pedro on Wed Nov 18, 2009 06:39 PM PSTWhat is your explanation for raping young women, then burning the body and dispose of in the suburbs for saying allaho akbar? Why men are raped? For what crime people are tied down and one eye is removed from them. I am sure you have seen the clip of a uniformed men hitting a young women in the face and then leaves the seen, why? You can continue supporting Ahmadinija. As a matter of fact you can fall in love with him for all I care. to me he is a criminal and must be tried.
To: Anonymous
by Bavafa on Wed Nov 18, 2009 03:11 PM PSTTo: Anonymous Observer:
If you are thinking that I believe "the thugs on the street of Tehran and other cities" is meant the demonstrators… then you have got it wrong. In my book, the thugs are those who are chasing peaceful demonstrators, the plain cloth member of Basij and Sepah including the uniform ones. Thugs are those who prevent a civil discussion and disobedience.
To all others that think I spoke for them: I called it what it was, you prove me wrong if you think I was.
A clarification as where I stand:
I don't believe in the current system, therefore any participation in it (including and perhaps specially Mousavi) gives it legitimacy which it does not deserve, therefore must not be supported, unless one believe in IRI but with a different 'malijac' at the government . I did not vote in the election and will not, till there is a viable prospect for change in regime that has true democratic aspirations.. I do not believe in "imported" leaders (Ahmad Chalabi or Karzai type) as they are nothing but a Charlatan and I believe very strongly that change needs to come from within and to protect the Iran's and Iranians interest first and for most.
I believe in peaceful resistance only if the other side is willing to be peaceful, defending yourself is a right and must be exercised at all times, unfortunately I do not have what it will take to be Gandhi or MLK but I admire them.
Attack from outside must be deterred at all cost, so if we have to set aside our differences and live with the Mullahs in power temporarily just to defend our home (Iran), then that is the price that we must pay and all need to fight to keep Iran's interest and integrity in tacked.
Mehrdad
No Fear, aka...
by Anonymous Observer on Wed Nov 18, 2009 03:01 PM PSTWhen you say:
"While by some estimate, over 200 were killed during the riots, only a hand full have claimed to belong to the green movement. The majority of those who died, belonged to our faction or were the security forces."
Given IRI's penchant for high production funerals of its fallen "martyrs", especially those of its security forces, can you please point us to one photo, news report or video of even one funeral for its so-called security forces who died in post-election crackdown?
Open end questions will be ignored, try to be specific please.
by No Fear on Wed Nov 18, 2009 02:51 PM PSTWhat do you think about the separation (or non-separation) of church (or mosque) and state? With all due respect for Iran's integrity and Islam, under the current system, what prospects do you see for non-Ahmadinejad supporters to live as equal citizens?
I believe islamic laws should be kept out of Dowlat policy makings. However, It is not the administration of any dowlat to decide whether these laws should be implemented or not. There are other organs in IR ( including the leader ) who have the final say in this matter. All the current administration can do is to advise those organs to change or ease certain laws, such as allowing a female to become a minister, stop stoning, under legal age execution and laws of "diyeh" and "had". All of these laws have been allowed to be debated privately and publicly during the current administration and many have been discarded or changed for better. Also, Ahmadinejad's cabinet does not include any Akhound which is a strong contrast to the previous administration. Infact many of our religious politicians have been corrupted and they need to step aside from politic. Many of the changes i have mentioned are unprecedented in the history of IR.
Open end questions will be ignored, try to be specific please.
by No Fear on Wed Nov 18, 2009 02:19 PM PSTHow much money has been spend so far on this junky out dated soviet era nuclear reactor being built in Bushehr which I think will be ready for operation on the year 2050.
I see genuine truth to your point. This reactor is a necessity for our power grid and was rightfully jump started during previous administration. Unfortunately, only russia was willing to complete it at a cost that was reasonable. Russia has proved to be very unreliable indeed. What do you think is the solution now? This is a foreign policy failure that needs to be addressed diplomatically.
PS. I will reply to most of the questions when i am back.
Open end questions will be ignored, try to be specific please.
by No Fear on Wed Nov 18, 2009 02:07 PM PSTWhy do you people hate Iran?
We love Iran and we have proved this fact by our sacrifices on the battlefield. No other group or factions has given more blood and lives to defend Iran.
Why do you put Islam before Iran?
God always comes first in the hearts and mind of the majority of Iranians. Islam is also a strong unifying force to unite us against outside enemies or those who wish to " seperate" us.
Do you believe that repressive practices (as prescribed by Islam) can be a sustainable means for governance?
No repressive action can be sustained on a long run, specially when dealing with a nation like us. Islam does not preach violence. I might ignore your open end questions.
What is your stance on the recent killings, rapes, beatings, etc., etc..... carried out by the government ON THEIR OWN PEOPLE to keep your beloved president "in power"?
Define government. Do you mean "Dowlat" ? The recent riots and disagreement were between two factions of the same " Government". One faction lost the election and lost its cool with it as well. While by some estimate, over 200 were killed during the riots, only a hand full have claimed to belong to the green movement. The majority of those who died, belonged to our faction or were the security forces. The security forces only entered the scene when over 500 shops were looted and over 100 cars set on fire. This was a riot and needed to be controled immidiately.
What do you think about Khamenei and his style of dictatorship?
Ayatollah Khamenei is the leader of Iran and your definition of dictatorship is far from reality. Infact he acts more like a mediator between different factions within IR. He has always respected peoples vote before, even when a government ( like khatami or Ahmadinejad ) becomes the winner with some differences in opinions.
If you require more discussion on a " specific " matter ( one question ) let me know.
My second 2 riali
by capt_ayhab on Wed Nov 18, 2009 02:05 PM PSTAsides from my first serious comment , I could be mistaking but I doubt if this gentlemen No Fear is genuine regarding this blog.
If I am not mistaking, there used to be a gentleman/Lady with the same tactic. She/He will start a highly emotional and controversial thread, but he/she will never be there to answer the questions posed.
What I am saying, this may be a tactic to distract from other important issues that are being discussed here currently. As they say in new CNN segment.... [I'm just sayin']
-YT
I don't believe in religion and do believe in surgical attack
by mahmoudg on Wed Nov 18, 2009 02:02 PM PSTI don't belive in religion, i am an agnostic. I don't believe in Mohammd and think his actions based on the laws today make him a criminal. I also believe that surgical attacks are the only way to save Iran and prevent it from falling into a civil war. You all believe in what you do and people like me, believe in what we do. I respect your views as you should mine in a democracy.
Souri
by ex programmer craig on Wed Nov 18, 2009 01:54 PM PSTYou may be right that Ayhab and Ostaad aren't the same person. I do think it's interesting that Ayhab stopped trying to pretend he's a nice person (not that I ever bought into that anyway, but some did) at the same time Ostaad got blocked, but maybe he was just so upset about his great friend Ostaad being checked at the door that he lost his grip. He's always had a problem with his temper :)
Mr. Cost of Progress
by capt_ayhab on Wed Nov 18, 2009 01:56 PM PST================
A-HAB, RE your 2-riali
by Cost-of-Progress on Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:35 AM PST
You should have said:
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Not that I disagree with what you are saying[In actuality I do agree with most if not all of it], but while you are at it, can you kindly DICTATE to me on how I need to write and express what I need to say. That will be appreciated immensely.
-YT
P/S I did not get what you meant by spelling my name like A-HAB, I am sure you meant it affectionately, Otherwise no intelligent and progressive person would try such a childish and underhanded cheap trick, do you not agree?
Craig
by capt_ayhab on Wed Nov 18, 2009 01:42 PM PSTYou really are getting paranoid on one hand and your obsessive fascination with me is really taking a toll on your cohesiveness and clarity of your bigoted and racist agenda on the other hand.
One can't tell whether you are just being your usual bigot , or simply your arrogant and illiterate self. I am certain one leads to other since you seem to be chasing your tale on all directions and threads.
Dude stop stalking me, As I have said many times, anytime I have to answer to your childish and ignorant slanders and paranoia, I really have bring down my intellect level to level of a dead tree branch. ;-o)
Now go on and flag this....
-YT
P/S Don't you have a job or something? Being here 24/7 is not that healthy.
People...
by Proud_To_Be_Anonymous on Wed Nov 18, 2009 01:35 PM PSTThe time for civil discussion is over. These SOB's don't understand and don't care about any discussion. They have proven over and over that they are just a bunch of murderers. NO Fear and his likes are either fundamentally ignorant or IRI agents. Let's not waste our time responding to this a-hole.
The time will come (hopefully soon) that these vermins are thrown out of the ship.
Election fraud
by Q on Wed Nov 18, 2009 01:08 PM PSTNo Fear:
First, thanks for the opportunity and I hope you will be around to actually answer (at least on behalf of yourself) these questions.
There is massive evidence of fraud in the elections. I will concede that this fraud does not necessarily mean that Mousavi would have won the first round, but because these were never answered the Ahmadinejad presidency lacks legitimacy.
1. Why wasn't there any charges brought to Ahmadinejad for the breaking of public finance laws (campaigning on state funds) in rural areas for months before the election?
2. Why were the Green observers kicked out of the ministry of interior during the final tallying?
3. Why was cell phone and SMS service disrupted even before the polls closed?
4. How do you explain the linear graph that shows constant slope throughout the multiple announcements of vote tallys in the day following the election. Demographers have already rejected that Iranian would vote that consistently (early versus late voting and also regional voting would be that uniform).
5. Why were the ballots that appeared brand new and unfolded shown on TV during the partial recount process. Why was that process not fully televized and open to the public?
Thanks.
Duke: good to see you again buddy!
Mehrdad
by Anonymous Observer on Wed Nov 18, 2009 01:07 PM PSTI don't think that a bunch of murderous dictators like Ahmadinejad and Khamenei deserve respect or a "question and answer" session from Iranians. Everytime I see these thugs (and they are the thugs, not peaceful protestors on the streets--shame on you, really--for calling people like Neda thugs) I feel like throwing up. All that Ahmadinejad and Khameni need is a kick in the behind and a fair tribunal where they can be tried for crimes against humanity...bearing in mind that a fair tribunal is something that they have denied the Iranian people in their orgy of killing, torture and imprisonment for the past 30 years.
PS/ anyone who supports this evil regime, especially their propagandists outside of the country who try to portray these monsters as some kind of a civilized "government", is a participant in their crimes against the Iranian people.
Bavafa, can you do yourself a favor and
by Cost-of-Progress on Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:26 PM PSTlet others speak for themselves?
I had a few questions which I believe were presented in a civil manner.
Incidentally, this fearless dude, a supporter of a blood thirsty anti nationalsist regime asking for civility takes the prize for irony - I say, I say, yes it does.
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No fear: As I was expecting,
by Bavafa on Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:54 AM PSTwith the exception of a few (Timothy, Esther, and MRX1) no one seem interested to take this opportunity to have a civil discussion and I wonder if the opposition is going to behave the same as what we see from the thugs on the street of Tehran and other cities, then why go thru the trouble to change any thing. We already tried that in 1979.
But I have a few question knowing that his power is limited
1- What does AN has done to improve the living condition for the people of Iran (socially, politically and financially)
2- what does AN done to strengthen Iran internationally?
3- What does AN done to improve/lessen the prejudice and prosecution of Bahai, homosexual and other minorities?
And perhaps finally and the most important one, what is his stands on democracy vs. dictatorship?
Isn't having one person to have the last word essentially a dictatorship and by standing for presidency isn't he standing to support that system?
I will await your response.
Mehrdad
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by sag koochooloo on Thu Dec 03, 2009 02:00 AM PSTdelete
Souri khanoom
by KouroshS on Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:46 AM PSTNice to see you again:)
I do not care who is who and who does what. I have seen it all on this website and have more than my fair share of dealing with them. On this one, i had to say it . Poeple need to realize that we , allof us on this site are passionate about our iran and our land and its people, and it is no one's god damn buisness to label others, as anything and pass Judgments and determine their level of devotion to this issue, and no one has the right to put themselves above others claiming they love iran more. That is downright idiotic and arrogant. If they did love iran they would not flyoff the handle everytime the talk of sanction came up. Going way too far off the topic. but you catch my drift :)
something i have seen from many of the so-called Green movement supportres. They know who they are. They wish in their dreams they knew what democracy meant and who really wants iran bombed and who doesn't, who is with AIPAC and who is not. Yet they come here and extend lessons on how to be logical and criticize others' methods of reasoning!
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Kourosh/EPC
by Souri on Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:12 AM PSTAlthough I am really away now, but sometimes come to read the contents and despite my will, I can't hold back from expressing my ideas :(
Dear Kourosh: I'm astonished to see you are still talking to this Ayhab caracter! He is so bankrupt that his blatant comments are almost always ignored by every one now. He is just here for his own "del khosh koni" and doing his everyday chaaploosi to the editors, for they never delete any of his flagged comments! Let him be. He is what he calls others : A nokhod har aash!!!
He is so cheap that he comes here with his other account (Molla Nasredin) and type a comment in Farsi against EPC, as he knows that EPC doesn't read Persion!!!! Can you imagin what a banckrupt and low-level caracter you are dealing with?
Dear EPC: It'sa while I wanted to tell you this. I think this Ayhab and the other vulgar caracter Ostaad, are not the same persons!
Althoug in the spirit, they are both the same, but physically they are two different persons.I think that I know their real identities. They are also writing same bigotries in some other website. You will be amazed to see how much time they both spend on the net, just to spread hate and seperation between the people.
Now, I'm sure he will come back here right away to insult me with his vulgar words, but I won't come back to read them as I don't give a rat to him.
Take care,
Re: Kheimeh shab bAzzi (to Moshi jAn)
by kharmagas on Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:00 AM PSTMoshi Jan says "kharmagas=......=....."
Moshi jAn, I can assure you that Kharmagas=Casanova, now, when can you and I do some kheimeh shab bAzzi?
Jaleho=Q=Kharmagas
by vildemose on Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:51 AM PSTJaleho=Q=Kharmagas
Yes
by ex programmer craig on Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:49 AM PST1- Iran's integrity and sovereignty is not up for discussion.
Ayhab said the exact same thing in a comment a few days ago. And this "No Fear" account was created about the time Ayhab martyred his "Ostaad" account. Gotta love getting in arguments with sock puppets, right?
Here is mine
by MRX1 on Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:41 AM PST1) How much money has been spend so far on this junky out dated soviet era nuclear reactor being built in Bushehr which I think will be ready for operation on the year 2050.