I understand the bitterness that exists between us and the supporters of GM. This is my attempt to explain our positions and goals to those who lost in the election or others. I will try to have an open mind and to respect the boundaries of a civil discussion. I am willing to change my position if proved wrong, but nevertheless, will give your arguement my full attention. However, certain principles should be respected in this thread if you wish to participate in this discussion.
1- Iran's integrity and sovereignty is not up for discussion.
2- Islam and religion should be respected in this discussion
Everything else is fair game. Lets start by a series of short answers and questions and see where that leads us. Anyone can join the discussion at anytime whether pro or against.
Please be civil in your discussion.
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I too am a Baha'i...
by faryarm on Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:23 AM PSTI too am a Baha'i...
In addition to Monas Questions:
1--Why my fellow Baha'i country men/women are harassed/imprisoned/ persecuted ?
2--Why our loved ones resting places are demolished and vandalized?
3-- Why our youth are deprived from higher education and even if they are admitted to universities, after few terms they're expelled?
4-- Why they're shutting down shops/stores/...owned by Baha'is?
5-- Why our children are harrased and abused in elementary schools/middle schools/high schools?
6--Why other religious minorities and ethnic groups are thretened and discriminated?
Mr.Ahmadinejad always starts his words with in the name of God the Compassinate, the Merciful? he always talks about justice, and peace why then these qualities and virtues (mercy,compassion,peace,justice,....) don't apply to his own people /the great nation of Iran?"
also why Did NOT (could NOT) A.N answer the question at the UN?
(Is he that ignorant that He does not know that Baha'u'llah is the Prophet founder of the Bahai faith. ??) or is that just the dictated policy in order to evade the Issue?
Why are they so afraid of a defenseless minority of men , women and children?
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvMMkXRUVhY
Let the people of Iran see what they have NEVER been able to freely see:
This video shows Ahamadinejad and his Anti Bahai cohorts' CYCLE of OPPOSITION to Bahai thinking and why perhaps they are so afraid of Bahai Principles and its foundations for progressive thinking and modernity.
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5uQc-hvFBo
If an answer is not forthcoming, the reasons are obvious; but still since you have shown such support for the A.N regime and brought up the issues , Amaze us all and try to do what the last 160 years, including Thirty years of Iran under the Ruinous Masters of Islam have not been able to face...
I'm a Baha'i ...
by Mona 19 on Thu Nov 19, 2009 09:16 AM PSTand I'd like to know
1--Why my fellow Baha'i country men/women are harassed/imprisoned/ persecuted ?
2--Why our loved ones resting places are demolished and vandalized?
3-- Why our youth are deprived from higher education and even if they are admitted to universities, after few terms they're expelled?
4-- Why they're shutting down shops/stores/...owned by Baha'is?
5-- Why our children are harrased and abused in elementary schools/middle schools/high schools?
6--Why other religious minorities and ethnic groups are thretened and discriminated?
Mr.Ahmadinejad always starts his words with in the name of God the Compassinate, the Merciful? he always talks about justice, and peace why then these qualities and virtues (mercy,compassion,peace,justice,....) don't apply to his own people /the great nation of Iran?
I'd really appreciate it if you answer my questions
Mona
I am a supporter of Ahmadinejad.... ask me anything.
by anonymous111.2 on Thu Nov 19, 2009 08:38 AM PSTAnything?
Ok, ahhhhhh, what's your favorite color? (not green I presume)?
what's your favorite after dinner drink?
wait, wait, one more....
who's your favorite scary movie actor?
OK, last one: boxers or briefs--and/or (and is in case you are kinky and like to do cross gender attire)--thong or grandma underwear?
Thank you omid Karimi for
by vildemose on Thu Nov 19, 2009 08:11 AM PSTThank you omid Karimi for exposing this islamist miscreant. I only hope that he doesn't live here in the US. I would like to send a copy of his blog and the responses to Obama's office.
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by Shepesh on Wed Nov 25, 2009 04:47 AM PST.
RE: Your answers (selected ones), Ignore if you must
by Cost-of-Progress on Thu Nov 19, 2009 07:50 AM PSTYou said:
Why do you put Islam before Iran?
God always comes first in the hearts and mind of the majority of Iranians. Islam is also a strong unifying force to unite us against outside enemies or those who wish to " seperate" us.
Do you believe that repressive practices (as prescribed by Islam) can be a sustainable means for governance?
No repressive action can be sustained on a long run, specially when dealing with a nation like us. Islam does not preach violence. I might ignore your open end questions.
What is your stance on the recent killings, rapes, beatings, etc., etc..... carried out by the government ON THEIR OWN PEOPLE to keep your beloved president "in power"?
Define government. Do you mean "Dowlat" ? The recent riots and disagreement were between two factions of the same " Government". One faction lost the election and lost its cool with it as well. While by some estimate, over 200 were killed during the riots, only a hand full have claimed to belong to the green movement. The majority of those who died, belonged to our faction or were the security forces. The security forces only entered the scene when over 500 shops were looted and over 100 cars set on fire. This was a riot and needed to be controled immidiately.
What do you think about Khamenei and his style of dictatorship?
Ayatollah Khamenei is the leader of Iran and your definition of dictatorship is far from reality. Infact he acts more like a mediator between different factions within IR. He has always respected peoples vote before, even when a government ( like khatami or Ahmadinejad ) becomes the winner with some differences in opinions.
If you require more discussion on a " specific " matter ( one question ) let me know.
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Fascinating... specially the bit about Iranians putting God first -
I don't think so Abu. If that were the case, we'd be speaking Arabic now.
Not to worry, the days of your regime are numbered. Yes, you will rape, murder, club, maime a lot of innocent freedom seekers, but at the end it will be you, the anti nationalist pretend-to-be-Iranian guys who'll loose. History has proven that time and again. But enjoy looting my country while you can - and remember, paybacks are hell...........
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IRAN BEFORE ISLAM
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El Capitan...come now
by Cost-of-Progress on Thu Nov 19, 2009 07:39 AM PSTWhy so sensitive?
Actually, I meant no harm with the Ahab reference (I thought about it only after I read your response). Are you telling me that kind of stuff offends you? Why, oh why...? Interesting!
I am also not trying to DICTATE to you what to say, my intention was to clarify your statement - in terms of what i thought you had meant.
So touchy.....
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IRAN BEFORE ISLAM
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Open end questions will be ignored, try to be specific please.
by No Fear on Thu Nov 19, 2009 06:56 AM PSTThe tragic death of Mohsen Rooholamini under torture in Kahrizak finally forced the regime to acknowledge the existence of this (amongst others apparently) rape and torture chamber. Why those responsible have not been publicly investigated and brought to justice?
What do you mean by "regime" ? if we are all the same to you and fit under one simplified definition like "regime" , this discussion would be pointless, dont you think?
Anyway, please refrain from including assumption and accusations as facts in your question. You claim the " regime" has acknowledge the existance of a rape and torture chamber. Who has shed this revelation to you? I really want to carry on a discussion with you but i can't argue with everyone making assumptions and presenting them as facts, can i? I am sorry if this might sound distasteful to you, but you claim no investigations were allowed. then how did you draw the conclusion that rape was invovled?
I do have an answer, but i will give it to you when you know how to ask questions properly in an objective manner. Sincerely
You are not Ahamdinejad and we are not Larry King
by Anonymous Observer on Thu Nov 19, 2009 06:53 AM PSTso don't beat around the bush. Answer the question please:
Given IRI's penchant for high production funerals of its fallen "martyrs", especially those of its security forces, can you please point us to one photo, news report or video of even one funeral for its so-called security forces who died in post-election crackdown?
Why?
What do you mean why?!!!!!! You claim that there are more than a hundred dead IRI "security forces" in post election demonstrations. Give us one name, news report, photo or video. Let me give you hint: It's called "proof" of your position and claims. I know that whole concept is alient to IRI and its supporters, but humor us for once, and act like you are in a society that is governed by laws as opposed to motorcycle riding, baton wielding thugs. In those soceities where there is rule of law, there is a concept called evidence and proof. That means when you make a claim, you'll have to back it up with proof. So, where is your proof? Show us, PLEASE!!!!
Open end questions will be ignored, try to be specific please.
by No Fear on Thu Nov 19, 2009 06:29 AM PSTDear Setareh cheshmakzan, please read my other replies so i can prevent repeating myself. If the reply doesn't convince you, please rephrase the question. Try keeping them short and simple so when i copy past it, it won't take too much space.
Are you able to explain to me about Sahaam-e Edaalat (Justice Shares), who are the recipients, if there is an income threshold, what is that threshold or any other conditions for receiving Justice Shares?
My understanding of it is that it is given to the low income families in form of a loan. It is about two million tumans that only half of it is required to be paid back in a duration of 10 years. Considering the inflation rate, it is practically free. It is meant to be given to all families but the poor and low incomes are the priority now. I think the teachers ( farhangian ) and the nurses were considered as groups with priority as well.
Is Ahmadi-Nedjad a member of Hodjatieh Society and a disciple of Mesbah Yazdi whose purpose is to create a hokumat-e eslaami, as against a republic, if it ever was?
How would anyone know the answer to this question? I dont know the answer. I really doubt the Hojatiyeh deserve the credit they receive from the opposition groups aboard. Just because a group is secretive, doesn't make them powerful. But i know for sure that this school of thought is hardly tolerated among the religious elites and closely watched.I doubt if their influence can go beyond Qom seminaries. You claimed Ayatollah Mesbah Yazdi belonged to this group. If so, you already know more than i do.
Ahmadinejad needs all the help he can get when dealing with corrupted politician. You can't go after the big players without any support from a marjae Taglid or without the support of Qom. Many in Qom are fed up with the corruption as well. This is how we see it. I am suprised at how you came to your conclusion noted in your question. It does sound like a good conspiracy theory. i am sure you will find plenty of believers among Iranians to believe your conspiracy theory.
No Fear - specific questions for you
by Setareh Cheshmakzan on Thu Nov 19, 2009 04:10 AM PSTFirstly thank you for the blog. I have some specific questions from you. Some are repeats because you have not given a clear response to others' questions:
1. If, as the government claims, 23 Basijies were killed in the demonstrations, why have we not heard who they are, their names and the place and circumstances in which they were killed? You claim that Ahmadi-Nedjad's government has a majority support, if so, what is the impediment to publicising the names of these individuals who would presumably be celebrated as martyrs by the majority of the population?
2. There are allegations of torture and rape. There have been attempts to discredit Karrubi for taking the lead in bringing these into light and demanding proper investigations. I am perfectly aware that not all the allegations might be true and there are those who are attempting to fish in muddy waters. However, why has there not been public enquiries into these allegations in which the plaintiffs are given guarantees of safety? One would imagine that in an Islamic society, allegations of rape and torture are not taken lightly. If the regime is not involved or condoning these alleged atrocities at a high level, why is it not openly investigating these alleged crimes?
3. The tragic death of Mohsen Rooholamini under torture in Kahrizak finally forced the regime to acknowledge the existence of this (amongst others apparently) rape and torture chamber. Why those responsible have not been publicly investigated and brought to justice?
4. Is this not the case that Sepah which has grown enormously powerful, militarily, politically and economically, and has been made more powerful under Ahmadi-Nedjad, control a large portion (40%) of the economy, and in its role as the guardians of our country's borders and waters, is involved in large scale acts of smuggling including drugs smuggling? Is it not the case that the members of Sepah (which is part of Iran's military) are members of parliament, run their own parallel security apparatus, control the judiciary, and are officially in charge of basij? If this is the case (It IS) how do you justify a system in which there is such a monopoly of unrestricted and unanswerable power?
5. Is Ahmadi-Nedjad a member of Hodjatieh Society and a disciple of Mesbah Yazdi whose purpose is to create a hokumat-e eslaami, as against a republic, if it ever was?
6. Are you able to explain to me about Sahaam-e Edaalat (Justice Shares), who are the recipients, if there is an income threshold, what is that threshold or any other conditions for receiving Justice Shares?
7. Are you able to explain to me about Hadafmand-kardan-e yaraaneha (targeting the subsidies)? What is the criteria for the receipt of yaaraneh? This bill has been approved by the Parliament very recently, but I have not understood the specifics of it, and imagine it to be a populist method of hand-outs to buy votes, not through a proper social security system where people have entitlements, but in a non-transparent system where it will be given arbitrarily in order to create dependency as against rights. Please correct my perception if wrong and explain what is happening.
Thank you for your patience. I appreciate your replies. Some have suggested your intention is brainwashing. I don't believe this to be possible in the context of this website. However, I believe if you give serious answers to serious questions, you will not waste anyone's time, including your own.
Open end questions will be ignored, try to be specific please.
by No Fear on Thu Nov 19, 2009 02:53 AM PSTWhy does Iran refuse to comply with Article 37(a) of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, which prohibits the execution of individuals for crimes committed while a minor, even though Iran is a signatory nation to this Convention?
I share the same sentiment and oppose the execution of minors under any circumstances. But this issue is related to the judiciary in the islamic republic and not the administration of Ahmadinejad.The judiciary rulings could sometimes contradict international convention laws but we are witnessing that these rulings are declining in numbers due to necessities. The organs related to changing these laws are also directly related to the leader and Ahmadinejad has NO constitutional right to affect them in any way.
Open end questions will be ignored, try to be specific please.
by No Fear on Thu Nov 19, 2009 02:13 AM PSTGiven IRI's penchant for high production funerals of its fallen "martyrs", especially those of its security forces, can you please point us to one photo, news report or video of even one funeral for its so-called security forces who died in post-election crackdown?
Why? Its a moot point. It will only divide the country further more. We can't call any of the GM supporters ( who represent %40 of total population ) criminals, can we? Why start pointing fingers at ourselves? The families of all victims from both sides were told that neither GM supporters nor security forces were responsible for their loss and it was foreign agents involved. What is the alternative? Pointing fingers at one another?
How much!!
by 1 hamvatan on Thu Nov 19, 2009 02:06 AM PSTI have a very specific question for you and your lots.
How much money are you getting for this service. Becuase, we all know no one is supporting this terroist regim except, few basiji and some mofkhor.
پاینده باد ایران
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by Shepesh on Wed Nov 25, 2009 04:48 AM PST.
Open end questions will be ignored, try to be specific please.
by No Fear on Thu Nov 19, 2009 01:35 AM PSTWhat is your explanation for raping young women, then burning the body and dispose of in the suburbs for saying allaho akbar? Why men are raped?
These are very serious allegations and if proved, you know very well under islamic laws the punishment is lashes before execution. The rape allegation in a prison surfaced and publicized after election by Karoubi during the worst possible time when the country was divided and riots were occasionally breaking out in Tehran. It was obvious from the start that this is a cheap shot from a defeated candidate at the current administration.
Nevertheless, Karoubi has yet to provide his eye witness that he claimed to have and his story could not be verified. Also, all attempts to take Karoubi to court for these outrageous claims has also failed.
On a second note, many of our prisons are under the jurisdiction of the Judiciary which its head is appointed by the leader and the body only reports to the leader as well. It was an interesting developement when the leader ordered the closure of a prison in Tehran. My point is, there is no evidence to implicate Ahmadinejad's administration in these issues even if we assume some wrong doings since it falls under the Judiciary responsibilities.
Open end questions will be ignored, try to be specific please.
by No Fear on Thu Nov 19, 2009 01:03 AM PSTThen what's up with all the people beating on the streets by the uniformed and plain cloth "GUARDS"?
Yes i agree with you. The anti riot police should be uniformed, on horses, equipped with rubber bullets and tear gas along with tasers and a weilding stick, supported by riot vans that could shower people with burning hot water and can unleash trained dogs on demonstrators. This way they look more humane, wouldn't they?
Sorry, that was sarcastic. How would you suggest our anti riot police should behave? As i said before, It is unfortunate that many have died from both sides among them many anti riot polices who were stabbed to death.
Open end questions will be ignored, try to be specific please.
by No Fear on Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:37 AM PSTWhy wasn't there any charges brought to Ahmadinejad for the breaking of public finance laws (campaigning on state funds) in rural areas for months before the election?
Because it couldn't be proved in a court that he solely went to rural areas for his campaign. Ahmadinejad went to rural areas for years prior to the election as well. It does seem before election , he increased the number of those trips and i give you that. Assuming what you say is true and Ahmadinejad did misuse Dowlat's money for its campaign, atleast we are aware of where this money came from.Have you asked the same question in regards to your leaders? Both Mousavi and Karoubi have been on a public servant salary for thirty years. How did they pay for their campaign? How does Karoubi gets to live in a huge mansion in nothern Tehran?
Why were the Green observers kicked out of the ministry of interior during the final tallying?
Can you prove your claim? There were 46000 voting polls stations and 40000 representitives from all candidates were present at the polls. 6000 were unattended. Each candidate could send a representive to any station if they feared any wrong doing at that poll. There was no limitation on where and how many observers could be at the polls. Candidates just didn't have the manpower to cover all stations. After the result were announced, %10 of the total votes (most suspecious polling stations as indicated by the opposition leaders ) were counted with representitives and camera crews and televised live on national TV. No significant changes could be found that could alter the result. Then the opposition wanted ALL the votes recounted, which the Gaurdian council refused to do so. This is how i saw the events unfold. Did you see it differently?
Why was cell phone and SMS service disrupted even before the polls closed?
Not true since i can testify to the fact that it worked before election results but messeges were coming in late sometimes. It seemed the phone company was overwhelmed with the amount of data processing. Iran is a nation of cellphones and text messegeing now and people transfer huge files over a strained network.When the riots started the network failed completely. Maybe, it was for security reason to prevent angry opposition followers to organize riots or perhaps technical problems.Who knows? The security angle to this issue seems more plausible though.
How do you explain the linear graph that shows constant slope throughout the multiple announcements of vote tallys in the day following the election. Demographers have already rejected that Iranian would vote that consistently (early versus late voting and also regional voting would be that uniform).
Demographers don't decide how people vote. You have a weak arguement here. An arguement can be made that if the graph is not consistent, then there must be vote rigging involved. You could spin this anyway you want.
Why were the ballots that appeared brand new and unfolded shown on TV during the partial recount process. Why was that process not fully televized and open to the public?
What do you mean by " fully" televised? Do you mean it should be a live feed to viewers during the entire recounting process? Is that feasable? Why should it be open to public when representives are on site? Why create more hype when all the country needs is calm?
Thanks to Omidekarimi for the follow up and right to the point
by Bavafa on Wed Nov 18, 2009 09:16 PM PSTon every response so No Fear knows he did not convience any one that the current regime or AN is good for Iran and Iranians
Mehrdad
Sudan misses their online press secretary.
by OmidKarimi on Wed Nov 18, 2009 07:09 PM PSTThe text written in bold are the latest question asked by viewers. The text with underlining and italic are "No Fears" answers. The normal text under that again is my reply.
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What does AN has done to improve the living condition for the people of Iran (socially, politically and financially)
Raising low income families income (short term), eliminating subsidies on a variety of services and product (long term), closure of unprofitable manufactures(short term), creating new industries, such as nuclear, aviation, space , nano,.. (long term), introducing proper tax system (long term), fighting corruption (short term). etc etc"
Short term you mean right before the election, then he turned the salaries back to the old value when the elections were finished. Or maybe you mean giving out cash handouts to random people infront of the camera? Have you heard about inflation? Fiat money? Have they teached you that at camp Basij? Eliminating subsidies? You think thats a good idea when all the finance centers of the world are blockading us and driving up Iranian commodity prices? You think Your beloved regime is capable to create such a system (to cover low income families) to begin with? Closing of unprofitable manufacturing? You know why it was unprofitable? Because your beloved regime signed all sorts of trade agreements with China that kicked the door open for cheap chinese goods to flood the marked and kill iranian industry. Ahmadinejad DID NOT create industries, nuclear, aviation, space, ananao, our scientist's and entrepreneurs did that, and space and aviation technology breakthrough projects were actually started during Khatamis term. And the so called break throughs that Iranian scientist develop often lack funding and industrial base support because creating a company is a buerocratic hell hole in corrupt Iran, believe me, I know, Ive tried opening companies in several big cities. Yes, fighting corruption, indeed, where is your proof for this? Where are your numbers for such big claims?
"what does AN done to strengthen Iran internationally?
Do you mean in terms of what others think about us? Probabely not much. But he did got us out of the treacherous deal that Khatami was making with the west while they were all smiling. i am talking about Iran to be allowed to have only three spinning sentrifuses for research purposes only. I guess Khatami did better to strengthen Iran internationally."
So in your world, its good that a president alienates our nation in the globe? Have you jojeh basisjis calculated the devastation a nation has with its economy and security when powerful nations despise you? Are you completely nuts? Listen, when your nation has most of the military superpowers in the world against it, you don't go from A to C when it comes to nuclear infrastructure. In the real politik world, when you have a weak military and economy, you have to bargain your way and make clear that your nuke infrastructure is no threat to other nation. In other words, you go from A to B then C. But since your hero prefers to jump from A to C, the obvious reaction to this will be that Iran will turn into North Korea or pre invasion Iraq 20-30 years from now. Much like an ant trying all of a sudden to crush an elephant, it often goes the other way around, and history proves this.
"What does AN done to improve/lessen the prejudice and prosecution of Bahai, homosexual and other minorities?
Not much. The decision is not his to make. Look somewhere else for answer. Maybe the " Majae tashkhiseh maslahat" headed by hashemi rafsanjani?"
So if ahmadinejad could chose, he would grant full rights to these groups? Is that your point of dodging the question? Who said Rafsanjani is any better or worse? Why do you presume that the green opposition is tied to Mosavi, Karroubi or Rafsanjani? Are you that out of sync with the people?You know that lying in Islam is a sin right? Why dont you just be honest and say your a homophob bahai hater? Your president and supreme leader is!
"Why do hezballhi and basiji like you view Iran as their ATM machine to expand their militant version of Islam throughout the region?
The basij and sepah personnel are some of the most under privileged groups of our society even though they gave the most. The truth is that many seasoned politicians have become corrupted and have deviated from the goals of our revolution. It is time for these corrupted dinosaurs who are living in their billion dollar mansions to step aside and be accounted for their wealth. We should all fight against corruption.
We will continue to support our friends around the world specially those who are located strategically close to our enemies. This goes without question."
Yes they are very under privileged, have you basijis ever stopped and asked why poverty is so rampant that 16-17 year old boys have to pick up batons and a police helmet to make a living?
DONT YOU DARE COMPARE the basij of the Iraq Iran war with the free loathing, undereducated baton wielding fanatical brown shirts of today! You don't have that luxury, and thanks to yourselves, the word Basij has turned into an insult.
Did it ever cross your minds that the system you are killing, raping and beating your sisters and brothers for is the same system that uses you as a tool and pushes you down? And who will decide which politician is corrupt and who is not? Do you actually believe this garbage you are throwing up here? Which friends? North-Korea? Venezuela and its rag tag poverty ridden South-American nations? Hezbollah? Hamas? Only friend" that you have is Syria, and even Assad is scratching his head and wondering if the regime is sane or not. Are these friends?? God help us if military strategist in upper echelons of Iranian defense thinks like you.
And sicne you are so poor and badbakht, why does the government give oil money away to foreign unstable militant groups that can bring our people to the brink of violent conflict with nations that are supremely better armed than us? o you want all of us to die?
"What do you think about the separation (or non-separation) of church (or mosque) and state? With all due respect for Iran's integrity and Islam, under the current system, what prospects do you see for non-Ahmadinejad supporters to live as equal citizens?
I believe islamic laws should be kept out of Dowlat policy makings. However, It is not the administration of any dowlat to decide whether these laws should be implemented or not. There are other organs in IR ( including the leader ) who have the final say in this matter. All the current administration can do is to advise those organs to change or ease certain laws, such as allowing a female to become a minister, stop stoning, under legal age execution and laws of "diyeh" and "had". All of these laws have been allowed to be debated privately and publicly during the current administration and many have been discarded or changed for better. Also, Ahmadinejad's cabinet does not include any Akhound which is a strong contrast to the previous administration. Infact many of our religious politicians have been corrupted and they need to step aside from politic. Many of the changes i have mentioned are unprecedented in the history of IR."
You don't seem to realize that our people no longer want the crumbs of freedom, a trickle here or there, they want the whole bread. Yes, the akhounds were replaced with generals and military personel like defense minister Mostafa Najjar for example that is now minister of interior.. how lovely.. isn't that against the constitution to have this huge amount of military involvement in the gov?
"How much money has been spend so far on this junky out dated soviet era nuclear reactor being built in Bushehr which I think will be ready for operation on the year 2050.
I see genuine truth to your point. This reactor is a necessity for our power grid and was rightfully jump started during previous administration. Unfortunately, only russia was willing to complete it at a cost that was reasonable. Russia has proved to be very unreliable indeed. What do you think is the solution now? This is a foreign policy failure that needs to be addressed diplomatically.
PS. I will reply to most of the questions when i am back."
Only Russia was willing to complete at a cost that was reasonable? ONLY RUSSIA WANTED TO COMPLETE IT AT ALL! No other nation with stabile nuclear export industry wanted to give Iran a grain of help since your regime wants to fight the world superpowers in the name of an Arab religion. The Russians are not stupid, they see that you put your fanatic crusade against the superpowers first, then the well being of your people second, they delay and scam you (or our people) out of money. Another example of incompetence from your idols, and complete lack of understanding of global politics.
"Why do you people hate Iran?
We love Iran and we have proved this fact by our sacrifices on the battlefield. No other group or factions has given more blood and lives to defend Iran."
You disgusting hypocrite, 90%-95% of you baton wielding basiji goat herding pricks (considering your age group) were not in the front lines, have you no shame?? Riding off the glory of true national heroes? I repeat, the basij of that time is not comparable to the Basij of today. In the 80s the group was a paramilitary organization to fight of foreign occupation. Today, you transformed it into a brown shirt SS group that enforces political tyranny.
"Why do you put Islam before Iran?
God always comes first in the hearts and mind of the majority of Iranians. Islam is also a strong unifying force to unite us against outside enemies or those who wish to " seperate" us."
If Islam comes first before your nation and people in your mind, you should truly move to the place where the arab religion first originated, the Saudis, but the problem is bichare, you' re seen as infidels there as well. Iran is Iran, no matter if you are muslim, christian, jewish, azeri, kurd, lor. Islam, Ethnicity, Color skin should not have anything to say as a unifying factor for a nation. If it does, something is TERRIBLY wrong..
"What is your stance on the recent killings, rapes, beatings, etc., etc..... carried out by the government ON THEIR OWN PEOPLE to keep your beloved president "in power"?
Define government. Do you mean "Dowlat" ? The recent riots and disagreement were between two factions of the same " Government". One faction lost the election and lost its cool with it as well. While by some estimate, over 200 were killed during the riots, only a hand full have claimed to belong to the green movement. The majority of those who died, belonged to our faction or were the security forces. The security forces only entered the scene when over 500 shops were looted and over 100 cars set on fire. This was a riot and needed to be controled immediately."
Were are the numbers for these dead security forces? Where is your evidence? The opposition has pictures, video tapes of their dead in the streets, of riot and basij police breaking car windows and shop stores, where is yours? You have nothing, if you did, you would show it on Irib night and day. Thats why your superiors told you morons to bring cameras with you to film the latest riots, but still you didn't film diddle squat of a crime committed by the protestors. Your beyond comical, you stepped into the realm of tragedy now.
"Do you believe that repressive practices (as prescribed by Islam) can be a sustainable means for governance?
No repressive action can be sustained on a long run, specially when dealing with a nation like us. Islam does not preach violence."
Islam, like Christianity and Judaism preach violence, but it explains in which situations violence is permitted and which are not. Don't you read the Quoran? I thought a good jojeh basisji had to learn it inside out. So stop this BS that Islam does not preach violence, and anyone who debate Islam are Islam/muslim haters.
"What do you think about Khamenei and his style of dictatorship?
Ayatollah Khamenei is the leader of Iran and your definition of dictatorship is far from reality. Infact he acts more like a mediator between different factions within IR. He has always respected peoples vote before, even when a government ( like khatami or Ahmadinejad ) becomes the winner with some differences in opinions."
Really, is that so, is he elected by the people, or God (at least he thinks)? You know the answer, we know the answer
Is he in full control of the army and police? You know the answer, we know the answer
Does he have the last say in every political decision in Iran? You know the answer, we know the answer
Yes, he is a dictator. Stop making a complete fool out of yourself. Have some self-dignity.
Ham vaghan hah, what a good mediator this uncle Khamenei of yours is. Thats why every now and then, plummels of smoke rise over our major cities, and our children beat each other with sticks and stones.. Amazing.. he should write a book! "Learning to mediate in ten easy steps, by Uncle Khamenei".
Step one, tell all the mediating parties to follow your will because your will is Gods will.
Step two, proceed by enforcing Gods will (meaning yours) with uneducated goat herding youngsters by arming them with sticks and helmets.
Step one and two makes step three to ten reduntant.
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"The basij and sepah
by vildemose on Wed Nov 18, 2009 06:48 PM PST"The basij and sepah personnel are some of the most under privileged groups of our society even though they gave the most".
They are also most unethical, immoral and violent. They sell their own mother for a piece of bread. They might have given a lot at some point but that time has long past. In recent years, they have done nothing but destroy Iran and loot the national wealth. They are a bunch of welfare parasite who sell their services to the most brutal and power hungry faction of the IRI, aka IRGC and Khamenie et al.
Note: this is not a question Mr. Vevak...
What about the Hojjatieh Society?
by faryarm on Wed Nov 18, 2009 06:06 PM PSTAs a supporter of Ahmadinejad who has supported the resurgence of the Hojjatieh Society, what is your opinion of its brutal and inhuman treatment of the Iranian Bahai Community both during the Pahlavi era, as well as in the post revolution era.
Some background:
"Founded in 1953 as a specifically anti-Bahá'í organization by a charismatic Shiite Muslim cleric, the Hojjatieh Society has today re-emerged in Iran as an influential if secretive faction that has been linked in news articles and web blogs with the current Iranian administration.
During the 1979 Iranian revolution, the Society played an important role in stirring animosity against Bahá'ís. However, in part because of differences in theology—among other things the Hojjatieh believe a truly Islamic state cannot be established until the return of the 12th Imam—the Society fell into disfavor and was banned by the regime in 1984.
Outside observers have connected the Society’s re-emergence with the return of hardliners to positions of power in the government, including the president who has frequently stated his expectation that the 12th Imam will return soon.
The attached article, published in the Encyclopedia Iranica, provides a concise history of the Hojjatieh (Hojjatiya) Society. The Web site of the Encylopedia Iranica indicates that the encylopedia “is a multi-disciplinary reference work and research tool designed to record the facts of Iranian history and civilization. In fact, it is the only precisely documented reference work on the lands, life, culture and history of all Iranian peoples and their interaction with other societies.”
FOLLOWING ARE A FEW ADDITIONAL REFERENCES TO THE HOJJATIEH SOCIETY:
Founded in 1953 and used by the Shah of Iran to try to eradicate followers of the Baha'i faith, the Hojjatieh Society is governed by the conviction that the 12th Imam’s return will be hastened by the creation of chaos on earth.
Hojjatieh was a semi-clandestine religious and political group that was set up in the early 1950s in Iran by Sheikh Mahmoud Tavallai, popularly known as Sheikh Halabi, an extremist Shiite cleric who founded the group to eradicate members of the Baha’i faith.
Friday Prayer leaders throughout Iran warned their congregations in early July of renewed activities on the part of the Hojjatieh Society—a strongly anti-Baha’i movement that has long been regarded as a potent, if secretive threat to the ruling elites (both imperial and clerical) that have run Iran since the Hojjatieh Society was created in the middle of the last century. In Shahrud, Ayatollah Abbas Amini said that Hojjatieh activists are recruiting new members in the city’s mosques, Radio Farda reported on 11 July.
The Hojjatieh Mahdavieh Society was established in 1953 by a preacher from Mashhad, Sheikh Mahmud Halabi, who supported Prime Minister Mohammad Mussadiq. Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi allowed the society to pursue its anti-Baha’i activities after Mussadiq’s August 1953 ouster, in exchange for the clerical community’s support for his renewed reign. Society member Mohammad Taqi Falsafi’s anti-Baha’i sermons were broadcast by state radio, for example, and Tehran’s Military-Governor Teimour Bakhtiar took a pick-ax to the Baha’i temple in Tehran in May 1955. Around that time, Halabi persuaded the Marja-yi Taqlid (source of emulation) Ayatollah Mohammad Hussein Tabatabai Borujerdi to issue a fatwa banning transactions with Baha’is, according to Baqer Moin’s “Khomeini: Life of the Ayatollah” (1999).
After that, the Hojjatieh Society entered a period of relative inactivity, although the same cannot be said of Falsafi. The shah’s court minister, Assadollah Alam, wrote in his diaries that in 1963 Falsafi preached against the shah’s reform program and, after a June 1963 riot, Alam had Falsafi imprisoned (Assadollah Alam, “The Shah and I,” Alinaghi Alikhani, ed. [1991]).
There is more to the Hojjatieh Society than its anti-Baha’i beliefs, however, although the depths of those beliefs say a great deal about the society. While Baha’i leader Mirza Hussein Ali Nuri (1817–1892)—who declared himself a prophet known as Bahaullah (most Muslims view Muhammad as the final prophet in Islam)—disputed the existence of a hidden imam, Hojjatieh members believe that true Islamic government must await the return of the hidden imam, or Mahdi, who is currently in occultation. For much the same reasons, the Hojjatieh Society opposed Ayatollah Khomeini’s theory of Islamic government and Vilayat-i Faqih (rule of the supreme jurisconsult). It favors collective leadership of the religious community, and opposes religious involvement in political affairs.
The Hojjatieh Society enjoyed a revival after the 1978–1979 Islamic revolution; fearing a communist takeover, Sheikh Mahmud Halabi urged his followers to vote in favor of Vilayat-i Faqih in the December 1979 referendum on the country’s form of government. Moin writes that the society was well organized at the time and its members had “impeccable religious credentials,” so they were able to fill administrative gaps left by revolutionary purges, as was particularly the case in the educational sector. Some cabinet members allegedly had Hojjatieh links as well.
Prominent clerics of the revolutionary era who were Hojjatieh members or sympathizers included Ahmad Azari-Qomi, Ali-Akbar Parvaresh, Mohammad Reza Mahdavi-Kani, Abolqasem Khazali, and Ali Akbar Nateq-Nuri, according to Mehdi Moslem’s “Factional Politics in Post-Khomeini Iran” (2002). None of them acknowledged their relationship with the society, however, maintaining more open ties with the Islamic Coalition Association (now the Islamic Coalition Party) and with the bazaar sector.
Within a few years this situation changed. Concern arose about the society’s secretiveness, as did resentment of its members’ success. An increasingly intolerant Khomeini, Moin writes, attacked the society and what it stood for. He said in a 12 July 1983 speech: “Those who believe we should allow sins to increase until the Twelfth Imam reappears should modify and reconsider their position.... If you believe in your country [then] get rid of this factionalism and join the wave that is carrying the nation forward, otherwise it will break you.” The Hojjatieh Society announced its dissolution on the same day, according to Moin. The formal end of the Hojjatieh Society did not necessarily mean the end to its role in politics. Ali Akbar Nateq-Nuri, for example, became the speaker of the fifth parliament and currently serves on the Expediency Council and as an adviser to Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. Ali-Akbar Parvaresh served as deputy speaker of parliament and education minister. Ayatollah Ahmad Azari-Qomi-Bigdeli served as public prosecutor, represented Khomeini during a parliamentary review of the constitution, represented Qom in the legislature, served on the Assembly of Experts, and headed the Resalat Foundation (the regime eventually put him under house arrest for questioning the system of Vilayat-i Faqih and questioning the qualifications of Supreme Leader Khamenei; he died in 1999).
Warnings of renewed Hojjatieh Society activism appeared again in 2002. Minister of Intelligence and Security Hojatoleslam Ali Yunesi told a press conference that a group of people in Qom was arrested on charges of supporting the society and trying to fuel religious discord, and their books and pamphlets were confiscated, “Toseh” reported on 27 August 2002. Rudsar and Amlash parliamentary representative Davud Hasanzadegan-Rudsari said a little later that the revived Hojjatieh Society is “exacerbating the Shi’a-Sunni conflict,” “Aftab-i Yazd” reported on 1 September 2002. Hasanzadegan described the society as “the embodiment of obscurantism.”
An editorial in the 1 September 2002 issue of the conservative “Kayhan” newspaper took a very different tack when discussing reports of renewed political activity by the Hojjatieh Society. It claimed there are many similarities between the reformist 2nd of Khordad grouping and the Hojjatieh Society. Both advocate the separation of politics and religion; just as the society opposes creation of an Islamic government, the reformists are “trying to separate the Islamic from the republic and then gradually turn the Islamic system into a secular system of government.” Society members and reformists enjoy luxury and wealth, according to the editorial, and they both opposed Vilayat-i Faqih.
The editorial went on to claim that both groups accept all sorts of sin and social corruption. “The only difference is that association members say we should not fight vice so that it spreads and the Mahdi will emerge, while certain reformers say that the democratic principle demands that the people be left alone to do as they please, even if it means loose morals and social corruption.” The Hojjatieh Society, mainly because it opposes Marxism, is pro-Western, according to the editorial, as is the 2nd of Khordad grouping.
The Hojjatieh Society was also mentioned occasionally in 2003. Government spokesman Abdullah Ramezanzadeh said on 8 January that Hojjatieh Society members who infiltrate the government would be dealt with in the same way as other citizens, “Iran Daily” reported the next day. Assembly of Experts member Hojatoleslam Hashem Hashemzadeh-Harisi said in the same newspaper that the infiltration of the government by such “radicals” threatens the Islamic system and undermines national solidarity. On the sidelines of the 9 March legislative session, Tehran representative Ali Shakuri-Rad allegedly said that the Hojjatieh Society should be licensed as a political party, “Resalat” reported on 10 March (“Towseh” put this into context on 10 March, when it reported that Shakuri-Rad was comparing his political opponents to the Hojjatieh Society).
“Aftab-i Yazd” on 7 October 2003 criticized an unnamed cleric for defending the Hojjatieh Society. This cleric reportedly claimed that Ayatollah Khomeini was deceived into criticizing the Hojjatieh Society.
Sectarian conflicts reemerged in spring 2004 (see “RFE/RL Iran Report,” 6 September 2004), which some sources linked to the Hojjatieh Society. Rasul Montajabnia wrote in a commentary for “Nasim-i Saba” on 4 May that members or supporters of the society have stopped their fight against the Baha’i faith and have turned their attention to creating divisions between Shi’a and Sunni Muslims. Montajabnia repeated this concern in the 12 May “Hambastegi.”
Hussein Shariatmadari, director of the “Kayhan” newspaper, said, “The Hojjatieh Society has always been active as a creeping current,” “Aftab-i Yazd” reported on 31 May 2004. Turning to its renewed activism, Shariatmadari warned, “In these days all the currents that suggest a secular establishment are the supporters of this society.”
Ayatollah Abolqasem Khazali, who served on the Guardians Council, defended the Hojjatieh Society in the 18 May 2004 “Aftab-i Yazd.” He said that stories of its renewed activism are “completely a lie.” “I know these people [society members] very well. They are not working. They would have worked if they had known it was good for Islam. Therefore it is a complete lie when they say they have become active again.”
It is difficult to verify if the Hojjatieh Society really has become more active as an organization or if recent warnings about it relate to something completely different and this is another case of governmental scapegoating.
Members of the Hojjatieh Society, according to Radio Farda, are followers of the Iranian-born but Al-Najaf-based Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani . Such a claim has not been reported elsewhere, but it is not impossible and goes some way in explaining official Iranian concern. The Iranian regime bases much of its legitimacy on its religious credentials and connection with Qom. The Qom howzeh would fear the transfer of prominence to the Al-Najaf howzeh. As suggested by an editorial in the 8 June “Farhang-i Ashti,” Al-Najaf is the “new Islamic Vatican” and it rivals Qom. Mashhad—birthplace of the Hojjatieh Society—also rivals Qom, especially because, according to the editorial, it views Islamic rule with “deep suspicion.” The editorial explains: “Qom looks to merge religion and politics, while Mashhad thinks of separating the two.”
A potential link to the Hojjatieh Society is not the only cause of concern on the part of the Iranian government about Ayatollah al-Sistani. Like the Hojjatieh Society, al-Sistani does not advocate Vilayat-i Faqih. The government’s concern about a religio-political organization that questions the basis of its theocratic system is therefore understandable. The society’s anti-Baha’i message may not find much of an audience in modern Iran, and the right-wing tendencies of prominent members may not jibe with overall public sentiment. Its opposition to the system, however, may very well strike a chord with an unhappy public. (Bill Samii)" *
*//www.bahai.org/
صوت الأمة العربية الافلام الاباحية
SamSamIIIIWed Nov 18, 2009 05:29 PM PST
I hear Ahmadi is featured in an upcoming Arabo Ommatie porno flick ; "tokhmeh Qaadesieh mentor does his protege". any info on preview date? .mind you, this is no open ended question.
Cheers!!!
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We will continue to support
by vildemose on Wed Nov 18, 2009 05:16 PM PSTWe will continue to support our friends around the world specially those who are located strategically close to our enemies. This goes without question.
No Fear: Be specific?? Who is "We"?? Who are those located strategically close to "our" enemies??
I admire your honesty. Thanks.
No fear: Have you ever
by vildemose on Wed Nov 18, 2009 05:13 PM PSTNo fear: Have you ever worked for the VEVAK?
Do you live in Iran??
No Fear, what about my questions?
by Q on Wed Nov 18, 2009 05:12 PM PSTThey were quite specific.
Is it the Avatar? :)
Dear No fear
by Abarmard on Wed Nov 18, 2009 05:21 PM PSTVoting for President Ahmadinejad doesn't make you an expert in Iranian or Islamic subject. I am happy that you voted for Mr. Ahmadinejad but I don't believe that the issue is now the election but after the election behavior by the system, or to be specific plain cloth forces. We used to call them by one name: Shaban bi mokh.
The fact of the matter is that similar to many Mullahs that you claim have gone corrupt, the leader and his powerful IRCG allies are among them. Now there is no systematic or governing body to monitor these powerful and gun owning corrupted organization. The intelligent portion of the Iranian society and educated youth, who can and are able to build the future Iran, believe that the time of leader as one ultimate power is obsolete.
According to the Iranian constitution, no military personnel is allowed to run the political system. The Green people of Iran want the constitution to be implemented, even though many might think that the current constitution has many flaws.
The Clergy court is illegal. Torture is illegal. Closing of the papers are illegal. Revolutionary court is illegal. controlling the media is illegal. Finally, the IRCG actions in economical developments, political decision making and to top it off, using Basiji forces to beat the "peaceful" anti Ahamdinejad demonstrators are illegal.
What comes down to is that with those illegal actions, the entire system is now illegal. That's the message that the green leaders are warning your elected administration.
Happy Wednesday.
FYI, to prove the actions of the leadership, IRCG and Ahmadinejad is against the law:
Article 27
Unarmed assemblies and marches may be freely organized, provided that no violation of the foundations of Islam is involved.
Article 32
No person may be arrested except according to and in the manner laid down in the law. If someone is detained, the subject matter of the charge, with reasons (for bringing it), must immediately be communicated and explained in writing to the accused. Within at most 24 hours the file on the case and preliminary documentation must be referred to the competent legal authority. Legal procedures must be initiated as early as possible. Anyone infringing this principle will be punished in accordance with the law.
Article 35
AND MY FAVORITE:
Article 38
Any kind of torture used to extract an admission of guilt or to obtain information is forbidden. Compelling people to give evidence, or confess or take an oath is not allowed. Such evidence or confession or oath is null and void. Any person infringing this principle is to be punished in accordance with the law.
No Fear: do you support
by vildemose on Wed Nov 18, 2009 04:48 PM PSTNo Fear: do you support Ayatollah Mesbah Yazdi too? Do you subscribe to Hojatieh's messianic view?? Do you believe Ahmadinejad et al are destined to establish the first Islamic/Shia Empire in the region?? Do you see Ahamdinejad and the Basiji brothers eventually kicking out the Israelis into the sea and the Americans out of the region?
Do you think under Ahamdinejad's leadershhip Iran will become a technological/industrial superpower in the world implemented by the Imam Mahdi and his " top shia scientists" from the infamous well in Jamakaran?
No Fear, "creating new
by Bavafa on Wed Nov 18, 2009 04:06 PM PSTNo Fear,
"creating new industries, such as nuclear, aviation, space , nano,.. (long term), introducing proper tax system (long term), fighting corruption (short term). etc etc "
Is AN creating new industries the same as Al Gore creating the Internet? Unfortunately for all the things you have cited, none are supported by the reality on the ground. We all have families in Iran and some visit time to time. The reality is the inflation is at heights and people are struggling far more then before.
So I suggest if you really want to respond, say some thing that is remotely credible.
Mehrdad
Fundamental Questions
by eimanz on Wed Nov 18, 2009 04:04 PM PST1. The majority of Iranians are of Muslim background. However this fact can easily change over time and over generations. When one grows up in a 'western' country, one is free to CHOOSE for themselves how they shape their identity, and what traditions and cultural activites they follow. In the Islamic Republic, it is ASSUMED that "Islam" is the ONLY identity that Iranians will want to pass on, whereas this may not be the case, if given the freedom to choose. So my question is, do you think all future Iranian generations MUST adhere to the version of Islam that the Islamic Republic is promoting? Or should they be free to shape their own identity?
2. Tyranny of the Majority: ASSUMING that the majority of Iranians are devout Muslims that are for the Velayat Faghi / IRI system, and that it turns out that Iran really is being run in a democratic way, what rights do you believe those opposing the current system have? All they all betraying their country? Should their not be a system in place that allows them, through a defined political process, to change the system as they see fit, without fear of the 'majority' trampling on that right? For example, if a sizable minority wished to push for the removal of the powers of the 'Velayat-Faghi', are they currently free to do so?
3. Media : The Media can play a big role in forming the thoughts and actions of the public. Shouldn't the government's sole job be to act as MEDIATOR of media issues, as opposed to controlling the message that it wants to pass? How will closing media outlets that disagree with the current IRI system help make this government more representative of its people?