Nazy Kaviani

Beyond.........

"The good neighbor looks beyond the external accidents and discerns those inner qualities that make all men human and, therefore, brothers. "

                             -Martin Luther King Jr.

Probably I should've just let it lie and contacted the people

privately Sorry.

Dear Nazy

You wrote a really good blog echoing the thoughts and feelings of many of us here. The nasty jibes between certain ppl here is tiring and sometimes more than a little boring, not to mention disrespectful to the effort writers put into their blogs. Why we have to have this continual personalised nasty back biting, I dont know.

Just reading through the comments on your blog, it is now both typical and disappointing that people are unable to keep to the subject matter and have to bring in disputes and arguments from other blogs.

For the last few days I have been reading up on the psychology of blogging as a result of all the bickering here ... I wondered what motivates ppl to come on here and turn differences of opinion into such spiteful vitriolic diatribe? I willl write something about it soon. However it's not about depression as someone wrote earlier. It's more to do with attention deficit disorders, personality disorders and feelings of inadaquacy.

Not everyone here is full of hate.... it's just that an issue such as what happened in Gaza brings out strong differences in opinion and an opportunity for some to use the issue to vent their spleen. Im not referring to those ppl who have written constructively about their opinions, what ever they might be.

Azizam you've written some great blogs in the past, focus on writing something you enjoy and we will all benefit.

Javaneh

Nezanin, I have decided it is best for me to

address this issue privately to you in an e-mail as this discussion will be completely antithetical to the spirit of Nazy's blog. I will do it through your contact button within the next two days.

CORRECTION TO MY POST "PERSONALIZING THE ISSUE"

In that post I wrote the following:

 One of them does not support the Gazan cause overall and the other one is dedicated to it. One of them does not support the Gazan cause overall and the other one is dedicated to it. END POST

The first person I named as Kaveh. My language was wrong. The corrected version should be:

One of them in discussions on Israel/Palestine on this website in general, while sensitive to the Palestinians' plight, to my recolellection very frequently defends Israel strongly, while the other to my recollection is general lycomes out more strongly supportive of the Palestinian cause and has blogged on it  at least twice.

I apologize for the poor phrasing on my post on personalizing. I could not also make the correction in the original post because it had been replied to so there was no edit function.

Rosie

Okay, Kaveh, so

here is your entire post:

If I may, I'm not sure if I would regard the latest online diatribes as hate. Yes, there have been many hateful, nasty comments, but I wouldn't say it's hate.

To: Anonymous comment: Regarding "so now rosie and irandokht are best buddies. puleaz."

I echo that sentiment.

Puhleez indeed.

_______________________________

Pleas explain how the last half  of it is not in derisive and personal tone and did not me out of absolutely nowhere.  You are one of the most intelligent people on this website and one of the most careful and specific with langugage. Maybe I just don't understand worrds like puhleez as well as you do.

Does it have ccotinuity with the fhalf of the post and mean, puhleez there isn't really hate here onsite?

As a conciliatory gesture I will change the part where I said you do not support the Gazans.

SORRY IT HAPPENED HERE NAZY BUT IT DID. Maybe Kaveh and I can straighten it out and it will all have a happy ending. That would be very gratifying as it would certainly reinforce the message of your nlog.

Rosie

Excuse me?

Roxane/Rosie, This may come as a shock to you, but I don't harbor any feelings or emotions towards you one way or another. I don't know you, or anything about you, so to conclude that I dislike you is sheer nonsense.

Maybe you need to re-read what I posted in order to see that what you perceived to be a snide remark directed towards you was in fact not directed towards you.

If anything, it is you who is attempting to personalize matters by directing the focus towards yourself and this perceived "slight" that never existed.

If you re-direct your energies back to the issue, you will see that A) it isn't about you, and B) your statement that I don't support the Gazan "cause" (whatever that's supposed to be) is false.

It is not hate, it is fear

I have been thinking a lot about this today, since yesterday when Zion was unable to see the "hate" in his blog. tried to use the blog as an example of her "innocence" from hate, and even analyzed it as inoffensive on my blog addressed to her. In my last pozt there I explained why this thinking is pathologically delusional which means ill.. The same can be said for her first post on this thread here which accuses Nazy (of all people) of dastardly political motves in writing this blog. Etc. etc.

 I explained Zion thinks this way because the recent history of the Jewish people is so traumatic. This morning it occured to me, so what is the name for this pathology, this fear that is so great that it causes distorted thinking and obsessive reiteration of and acting upon it?

It is called paranoi.

There is no way a non-professional,  i.e. non-psychologist, can talk paranoia away when it reaches the extremes of Zion, especially via pixels and plastic. But others can and have been swayed worldwide.

So I think you have to remember that all the time when you consider Zion AND the actions of the Israelis (not all, I am sure there are some insidious ruthless leaders, but most Israelis). I think it is not hard for Iranians to understand paranoia as it was seen so often on the threads before moderation was instituted. So paranoia is not uncommon among Iranians and everyone here has at least WITNESSED it. I think it is almost universal among Israelis and very common among Jews worldwide. Zionist reaction to "Arabs" is in large part paranoia turned into violence. This is an illness, one with tragic consequences.

At the same time it has some legitimate causes, attacks, suicide bombings, most recently Hamasas's refusal to recognize Israel, etc.

The problem is when this paranoia so often is exxpressed as hate in discussions,(magnificent example Zion's ceasefire blog and the vicious attack on Nazy), the Israeli side loses credibility. Yes, Palestinians express hate too but then others think well why not they lost their homes and are bombed, walled etc.

Eventually even the Zionistss' traumatic memories of the Holocaust are contemptuously questioned and that process is going on today.

What is the solution? I don't know. I always recommend avoidance of Nazi comparisons when engaging Israelis so they don't get polarized to thee right and then maybe progress could be made.

Mayve other people have some other suggestions.

Nazy Jaan

 Sepaas.

For you:

Ebi aka Haaji

I think it has been clearly displayed on ........

this thread not only the "Where?"...but also the "How?" and "Why?" hate continues to grow.

When logical and objective debates stop then hate is given the opportunity to flame tempers and become destructive.

The inability to see beyond the differences to take a closer look at our similarities.

Do I agree with everything someone says or believes?......Not likely.

I must say it was shocking to read Jamshid's words but until I walk in his shoes.....I will not understand why he feels.......beliefs the way he does.

I was not there when he was suffering in the military.......I was not there when the IRI took power.....I was not there when people he knew dearly died because of all the madness that happened so long ago in Iran. 

Yet, I am willing to understand my friend better though, I don't understand. My perspective is different.......I acknowledge it.......I will not judge him.........I cannot and must not.......... I am not God....I am simply human......full of flaws.......

Ceasefire?!

I thought the object was to obtain peace not only in the world but on this website.

Is not continuing to address certain things causing to flame the fires further.

At what point are we not allowed to express our opinions on matters or people?

When does censorship of others go too far?

Further more why pay so much attention to every little thing they say or do.......whether they call one by name or not?

Just a thought.......

Rosie, What are you

Rosie,

What are you talking about? It may be hard for you to believe but I have no feelings for you whatsoever. I don't think of you and I usually don't read you. As for personalizing anything here, my comments was stricly for Ms. Kaviani and I'm sure she understands this.

What I said was that we can keep our fridge clean by doing our share and as for me, I try to be nice to people when they criticize me appropriately and even begin my responses with "you're right".

Beyond that, nothing I said has anything to do with you and was not directed to you. But if you wish to make me the subject of a future blog, go right ahead. Enjoy.

Personalizing the issue / Kaveh, Mrs.

Two people on this thread have snydely referred to me on this thread and personalized a very serious political and humanitarian issue in doing so. One of them does not support the Gazan cause overall and the other one is dedicated to it. They are respectively Kaveh and Nezanin. Tersonalizing the issue is nothing short of disgusting.

These two people don't like me and they are willing to drag another person into it, Irandokht, just to do it. That is nothing short of weird, especially for Nezanin who is on our "side" on the issue.This is nothing short of bizarre.

The snyde remark by both of them was that suddenly now Irandokht and I are "friends."

I am going to address both of them tomorrow separately.

For now all I will say is that personalizing the issue is disgusting.

Roxane

والا ما بی‌ تقصیریم

این قوم موسی از روز اول افرینش ساکن اون ناحیه بودن. جناب بلفور فقط زمین‌های مصادره شده شون رو بعد دو هزار سال بهشون برگردوند.

خدا رحمت کنه میرزا آقا خان نوری رو

IR's exploitation of

IR's exploitation of Palestinian cause and its indirect contriubtion to the carnage

This is spot on and unfortunately never disucussed; brimming with "Convictions" but only when self-serving interests are not endangered.

I am appalled by this bigot remark by Mehdi!!!

He  openly!! writes:

You have to ask yourself why did the the British threw the Jewish people out of Europe - something Hitler tried to do unsuccessfully - by "offering" them their "promise-land." This is a group that is perfect to act as the vehicle of true evil in the world.

Ms Kaviani this is hate! this is why children have to suffer in Gaza, as long as this mentality exists, there will be no peace, anywhere.

AZ ghadeem goftan  yek dast seda nadarad, so this war was not and is not onesided.

Let me get this straight if

Let me get this straight if you write abot Gaza you "must have" already written abot(all the atrocities and plights of the people in ):

IRI
Iran- Iraq war
Bahii's
Darfur
Kurds
Baluchi's
Armenians
Vietnam
Tibet
Sudan
Somalia
and..........................!

Otherwise it JUST WON'T DO!!!!
Pleae get a grip!

my point was pretty much that

this has been done to death already. nazi is just jumping on a bandwagon that is already overflowing.

enough IS enough. no one could hardly miss the blogs by nazy, irandokht, captain ahab and many others.

WE GET IT!

and now you've gotten rosie all worked up again.

great, just great.

Not directly related to the

Not directly related to the topic, nontheless,Dear Nazy Khannom,
Have you ever written about the plight of Bahai's in Iran, IR's exploitation of Palestinian cause and its indirect contriubtion to the carnage? Thanks.

First of all......

let us not over  generalize here.

Not everybody hates.....everybody.

I personally don't hate anyone. However, I do not intend to be anyone's floor mat either.

What?!

Is the Persian tea safe to drink? :o)

Maybe I should just order a soda.

Wait a minute. How safe is it to eat the food?

why do you all hate each

why do you all hate each other?
i am lost

Free

Please be careful when you have that drink. I have been hearing to many horror stories about their health code violations.

Whether you go there or somewhere else for that drink....cheers.

To Phonetic Monday!!  lol

P.S.  To those who say you don't belong....offer to buy them drinks at Caspian. <wink>

Iranian.com has been a ..........

hating place since it began blogging.

They are actually a little calmer.

Only because JJ started sending the offenders warnings on the website and by e-mail.

He actually froze the account of a couple of them.

You can still see JJ on certain blogs warning them to cool off.

I actually had several on this website tell me that I don't belong here. Just because I am not an Iranian.

Thankfully, others on the website defended me and I also stood my ground.

DotCommer

Yes, you are right, it has indeed been less fun around here.

But I don't think you should be making assumptions as to what I might think people should do, nor should you be speaking for anyone else with sentiments like "we know it". Even if someone has a position that is the exact opposite of mine, I'd rather they say so for themselves. There are already way too many self-appointed "spokespeople" around here, don't you think?

Maybe people should take sides, and stand up for what they believe in. This inherent wishy-washy way of thinking and doing has only succeeded in making Iranians their own worst enemy for the past 2,500 years!

Do I think people who agree on this site are friends and those who don't are enemies? C'mon, that's laughable! This is the web, where everyone is wealthy, good-looking, politically correct and educated, with multiple university degrees. In reality, it's Disneyland without having to pay $6.50 for a small soda.

Stop hatin'? I'm not a hater, I'm direct and I'm blunt, which is contrary to typical Iranian behavior.

You're mistaking my refusal to fall into the Iranian habit of living life as though it's a popularity contest with hate.

Have a great day.

Kaveh

I agree with Nazy's sentiments. Iranian.com looks like a hatin' place now. Between nonstop attacks on political posts and some users acting like children, frankly it's been less and less fun to be here.

Your comment really tells where most of the hatin' comes from. It is not all generated by Zion, and we know it.

Look at you. You think in the mud slinging hatin' game going on these days, people should be taking sides and establishing fraternities and sororities. You think those who disagree with each other are enemies and those who agree are "friends." What's up with that? Is this "Facebook?" "so and so and so and so are friends now?!!" That is so juvenile.

Puleez indeed! Stop hatin' bro, and grow up!

Why the British threw the Jews out of Europe

You have to ask yourself why did the the British threw the Jewish people out of Europe - something Hitler tried to do unsuccessfully - by "offering" them their "promise-land." This is a group that is perfect to act as the vehicle of true evil in the world. What better group to use as slaves for evil doing, like mercenaries than a group f people who live in terror and have no friend anywhere? There is nice quote that Zion mentioned once here from Talmud, which goes something like "if you be nice to evil, you have created eventual violence." Something like that. If the peace loving people don' take decicive and strong action against inhumanity, we will all get inhumanity - it will not stop at Gaza borders. But the solution is not more violence - it is to be loud peace makers. Never underestimate the power of communication - talk to people. Talk to anybody, explain the facts about Israel and Gaza to anybody - your grocery store clerk, your old grandma. You never know what positive effect you may create! What evil counts on heavily, is that you and I GIVE UP and decide that there is no hope anymore. That is the ONLY time we lose.

Dear Nazy

Dear Nazy,

Having gotten to know you a little through your writing, I do believe you will not venture to respond to those who do not deserve an answer.

One who is TOTALLY blind to the truth does not 'deserve' your precious time.
Yet, obviously the choice is always yours.
Take care.

Kaveh......lol

I will make sure to drink to it at Caspian today. lol

Free

Today is Phonetic Monday.