JahanKhalili

Why Can't You All Just Forget About Politics?

Why doesn't anyone ask who these men were, and what they did?

All some idiots can think of is stupid politics. 

I did, as you requested

Regarding Pride In My Iranian Side

I can't say I find too many reasons to be proud from knowing Iranians abroad.

Very many of them are a pain in the ass - status worshipping clowns who are nothing without their silly little Iranian clique. 

Ghormeh Sabzi, Iranian dance music, and all of your crap that you all show off about doesn't make me in the least proud of my Iranian side. 

I'm actually ashamed of Iranian PhD hyenas and Iranians who chase status symbols like that. I never found it in me to appreciate any of that stuff. 

But those guys like the Bakeri brothers are the ones who make me proud of my Iranian side.

They never were show offs.

They were honest and sincere.

Because of them, I cannot say that all Iranians AREN'T. 

Regarding Those Who Speculate About Men Like Hamid Bakeri

Its up to you to get to know the major figures of your own country without relying on your assumptions, and to really make an effort to gather information about them.

If you're devoted to your politics, you'll never get anywhere in that direction, because having political convictions means you're already convinced that you know what's out there. 

And I do not think so anyone brought on us the revolution

Whatever revolution was, good or bad, had been brought upon the Iranian people by their own will .... No one sold Khomeni either .... Whoever, Khomeni was, Good or bad , had been accepted as a leader by the Iranian people...  I am talking about the majority at the time ... 

Now the very same Iranian people should wake up and see that they have gone through a bloody revolution only to replace Shah with VF.  And if decade of war didn't let them to comprehend this concept,  now , especially , 20 years postwar, they have no excuse to not comprehend it.  

I have my hope on our young generation. All they need is a good leadership someone from their own generation not from the rotten old ones ....

Until then nothing will change and even if does it will not going to be permanent ...  

Darius I see your points but

Those kids defended our land cause they were Iranians. Why is it too hard to see that?  ... hell with 72 virgin  

They cared about the revolution but I am not sure we have that many of them left now cause they too have been betrayed by these mullas ... 

here read my thoughts on that

Just my 2 cents 

soosan Khanoom and Jahanshah

1- Jahanshah, I thought you wanted to be reasonable and realistic .I am not denying the bravery and courage of those who defended Iranian city at the beginning of the war and then after.I also did not  mean disrespect to  this brave man but the truth is that he fought for his trust to Khomeini ,so as thousands of young kids  that followed his Fatwah.

His religious belief came before any thing else and superceded his love for his country.( the same logic is true for a MEK memeber,they are true to their belief system, they think they are vatan parast too and when they die ,  they are considered shaeed too).To a MEK memeber all those

who fought the war against Iraqis  an d Mojahedeen are considered  traitors.

I honestly believe, if the Shah was in power and Khomeini still in Iraq and had issued a Fatwah not to fight for Iran because Shah to him was  "Nokare Amrika" our friend  would have refused to go to war even if he was put to death by fire squad.

Any way,please, tell us who was this man that excite you so much?I am eager to learn about him that way you put an end to all this speculation.

2.Soosan Khanoom,  I do not have any other name for those people.

A-who tailored  revolution  for personal revenge and their political agenda.

B-Sold Khomeini and his gang to  Iranians and let him within few hours past revolution to began his atrocities.

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I do not have any better words for those who tied the Iranian arm forces hand behind thier back and stole all the Iranian national secrets and sold it to Iraqis or others to finance  their future fight with IRI .

They were traitors and we were cowards, we were intoxcitated with our trust to the west and they were intoxcitated to die ,  go to heaven and  get their hand on 72 virgins , the rest were happy to see capitalism die.

Those guns few hours after the revolution shamelessly were turned and  aimed to bring down any voices that dared to question the mind of  a man who spend his time issuing a fatwah to " madar zani ke az tabaghe bala beyad payeen va beyofte roye  ......Damadesh.

you do not need guns to kill the spirit , inspiration and courage of  a man, what IRI has done since inception equals million time death and ressurection. 

Darius you are unbelievable

For your information, the only Iranians that had gladly turned their guns against their own countrymen at that time were MEK ! And they would do it again anytime ... 

You, me, and the entire Iranian people owe every inch of that land to these brave young men.  

JK, Thanks for this blog ...

I think men like him wouldn't be standing any injustices at any time.  For sure they would not be putting up with the current hard liners in Iran. They probably would have been in jail have they been alive today... 

Darius

I completely disagree with you.

First of all, you should know that the majority of Iranians are Shiah Muslim.

You might not like it, or agree with it, but it is a fact about your country.

Secondly, you didn't know these men. Please refrain from speaking for them.

Saying that he would gladly turn his gun against his own countrymen shows that you never knew any of these men. 

You wouldn't want others to speak for you, especially after you were dead - would you?

I'll explain what "shahadat" means. It means martyrdom.

Many people were killed in the war. Many of them died unwillingly.

But some willingly accepted the risks, and fought for something greater than themselves.

Martyrdom means to die serving a cause that is perceived as good by the person doing it.

This concept is found in nearly every major religion. I have no idea why it is so strange to you.

It takes a lot of personal discipline to overcome the fear of death, and to forgo selfish interests in order to serve a cause greater than oneself.

Patriotism involves such a thing. Many religions believe in good and evil, and call on humans to serve what is good.

At a time when Iran had just emerged from the revolution and there was uncertainty and chaos, and Iranian refugees were fleeing from the advancing Iraqis, these men willingly laid down their lives to fight an enemy that had invaded Iran. 

I think those desparate Iranian refugees were glad when help arrived, at a time when there wasn't much standing in the way of the Iraqis.

They probably weren't thinking in such picky terms as you are.

Shahadat means?

May God bless his soul. I do understand  loss of a son,brother or a any  human being is not easy  but let us not to get  too excited.

I do not know him, millions of Iranian died because of traitors like Khomeini, MEK, Jebhe Melli, marxisits ,Tude party and those who helped a fake theocracy take over the country .Sir,He was not the only one, there were others too.

To claim that he fought for his country is absurd, he fought for what he beleived , died for Islam and Khomeini.He could have easily turned  his back and aim his gun toward his countrymen( something that  happend and still happening in Iran now) if he was asked by Khomeini.

He accepted to die for Khomeini cause, that is  what the letter says , I salut him for his courage but to make him an idol for being a patriot, I found it questionable.

You may call it patriotism but I call it an honorable brain washed zealot.

I'm Only Half Iranian

But I honor these men, and respect them.

People like Hamid Bakeri were very idealistic people, and very brave.

And since they are dead, they cannot speak for themselves any longer - so it is really not nice to mock them, particularly since they were defending your country and people.

(And I'm putting this nicely, because I chalk your response here up to your ignorance - I'm addressing Mirza). 

Mirza

I can't take you seriously.

Your dismissive attitude shows that you aren't serious about learning about who Hamid Bakeri was.

You are right JahanKhalili: I'm too dumb to talk to IRI agents.

Smart IRI agents can really debate so well ... as I can see in here ... LOL ... better leave before I wet someone!

Maziar

I'm sorry.

Mirza

If you didn't know these men, why do you talk about them?

Mirza

You seem to forget the Iraq was the agressor in this war not the other way around.

I saw one of them in the mirror, some years ago.

Bad Stories for Bad Kids

Shazde

Did you ever meet or know any of these men?

Maziar

I'm sorry to hear about your brother.

If it is not too painful for you, please share his story with us. 

........

for all the beautiful souls gone to.....

on their own or not.

As a survived brother of the 80-88 war that was pulled off the street and shipped to the front with 2 weeks of training and the crushed body was transported in trash bag in less than a month with the SHAHEED BADGE  for life of .......

you're free to love that shaheed mentality .

AS LONG AS YOU ARE ALIVE.

Maziar

Life is gray and uncertain: Let's get killed and go to heaven!

... so that Imam can capture the Karbala, the Baghdad, the Ghods ... and finally raise the flag of his version of Shiite Islam all over the world.

War War Till Victory!

What Calvin Coolidge Said

‘The nation which forgets its defenders
will itself be forgotten’ - Calvin Coolidge

The debt of gratitude ...

      When fire and steel was raining from sky heroes like him embraced it all to defend their homeland.

       Till the end of time, Iran and Iranians owe them a debt of gratitude.

A great patriot

His family have been firm supporters of the Green Movement and its leaders.

Mammad