Peace - Is - The Way

so you're saying you don't have any agenda

I am still waiting to hear from you how to get rid of ruling mullahs. You can't be critical of any suggestion without having constructive agenda. You have to come forward with some kind of strategy for removing mullahs from power.

بحث را در موضوع‌هایی‌ که با بحث فیصله نمی‌‌گیرد باید کنار گذاشت.

So, I conclude.

Iraj khan, are you runing away again.

"You want Israel to attack Iran and liberate Iranians? " Iraj khan

What part of my discussion was about attack? Seem either you didn't read my comment or you're runing away again. So please read my proposal and comment respectively. Here is what I said:

A. In the light of mullah's brutally crack down, imprisonment, torture and sodomizing dissents in the custody, Iranian people need Israel assistant to topple ruling mullahs

B. In the light of Arab world who have eye on Iranians 3 island, and constantly are tying to change the name of Persian Gulf, unity and friendship between Israel and Iranian people must be taken place to over power arab world.

C. In the light of historical bounding with Jews from the time of the Cyrus the Great, Israel could be a good asset and good ally of Iranian people.

What part of this proposal do you have difficulty to understand?. Please inform me and I explain further.

That was very big jump that you finally realized mullahs are different with Iranian people. Seems we are getting somewhere.

Now, I am still waiting for your proposal/opinion/suggestion. No runing away or in farsi we say :"Maghlateh" please. How can we get rid of mullahs? They have to go back to mosque and cemetary to read koran for dead people. That is their job.

Wondering..

Now that Mojahedin have been delisted from the terrorists list,

are they going to be Israel Lobby darlings now?

What's going to happen to Reza Pahlavi now?

Who is going to be the new Prince of Iran, Reza or Rajavi?

You can't have two monarchs running Iran!

It looks like IRI is much

It looks like IRI is much more eager to attack Israel than Israel to attack Iran.

Don't expect the IRI to liberate the Palestinians. Nor anyone should expect Israel will deliver liberation for the enslaved Iranians.

Those who want the IRI to obtain nuclear weapon at any cost are not really anti-war...are they?

Those who are supporting IRI's foreign policies unknownigly are aiding and abetting the domestic and foreign enemies of Iran to get us into devastating war.

All Oppression Creates a State of War--Simone De Beauvoir

Let me understand

You want Israel to attack Iran and liberate Iranians?

What if Israel refused to do so?

What are we going to do?

Is this Ms. Farah Diba and Reza Pahlavi's position too?

Oh My! Goodness Gracious!

Iraj Khan, are you running away?

 "As for your position about Israel, I believe you are entitled to your opinion" Iraj Khan

The above statement is an implication of runing away from the issue rather than dealing with it. you should come up with alternative and some kind of proposal, not runing away. Here is my proposal.

A. In the light of mullah's brutally crack down, imprisonment, torture and sodomizing dissents in the custody, Iranian people need Israel assistant to topple ruling mullahs

B. In the light of Arab world who have eye on Iranians 3 island, and constantly are tying to change the name of Persian Gulf, unity and friendship between Israel and Iranian people must be taken place to over power arab world.

C. In the light of historical bounding with Jews from the time of the Cyrus the Great, Israel could be a good asset and good ally of Iranian people.

Now, Iraj Khan you can't just run away from the issue. Please express your opinion to see what is your suggestion. Public opinion could decide which proposal is beneficial for Iranian people. You  have to show your rationality, reasoning and logic. You can't just brush me off and leave the readers in the middle of no where.

Looking forward to hear your suggestion to see how we can get rid of ruling mullahs.  

بحث را در موضوع‌هایی‌ که با بحث فیصله نمی‌‌گیرد باید کنار گذاشت.

1. For Marx's views about 'self alienation' and Dr Shariati's take on that, I will leave you to our knowledgable members who are able to continue this discussion with you on a new thread that you could start now. 

2. As for your position about Israel, I believe you are entitled to your opinion.

Okay, so we let charlartan alone

Because you are not Shariati's follower, we leave him alone. "Bazgasht beh khishtan" is another form of "Alienation" which was written by Karl Marx. Marx was the one who described "Alienation" or (Az khod beganegi-farsi translation) for the very first time. Shariati covered the idea of Karl Marx's "Alination" with some Islamic spices to shove it to the minds of Iranian people. According to Shairati, the true "Khish" is within everyone who were not alienated by Capitalism and keep their faith (rahter Islamic faith) intact. "Man e rasteen" is the one who is not diconnected, alienated from within. Shah and his capitalism system made Iranian alienated from their true "Self" and get alienated, the same as what Marx says about capitalism society. In order to return to KHISH we need to get rid of capitalism according to Marx. In order to reach our "PURE" self for Iranians, they should get rid of shah accroding to Shariati. Do you see the manipulation?    

Anyway, Israel is the best ally of Iranian people in the region, especially in the light of our 3 Iranian Island in the Persian gulf.  I heard many of dissents were being raped in prisons during uprising in 2009. Mullahs did it to break their pride and their human dignity. Rahbar "Ali Gada" annonced publically..... "We will teach them a lesson that they never forget".  Ruling mullahs let the victims of rape go free after some time spending in prisons. They did it deliberately so the victim of rape tell others what would be waiting for them once they get arrested. Sinky ruling mullahs suppress any voice of freedom with excessive forces and brutality. Rape rape is one of their techniques they apply to dissents. Stinky ruling mullahs have guns and ammunitions in their hands. Our people are with bare hands. No guan and nothing to defend themselves. (I am very happy to hear that you distinct between the government and the Iranian people by now). 

   Israel is the only country can help Iranian people at this important historical moment to get rid of these Islamic criminals. In compare to Iran's population, these criminals are not that many. Israeli army can take care of every single of them.

 //www.decolonialtran

 //www.decolonialtranslation.com/english/the-islamic-liberation-theology-of-ali-shariatiEng.html

Shariati's antiquated ideas are no longer applicable in a 21st century with the political and technological advances of a global community. Shairati's tribal mindset continues to tear us apart as Iranians. His message was bigotted, racist utterances of a insecure small plaigirizing man of no substance. A true sociopath.

 https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:X8jUxbXu6MwJ:www.nato.int/acad/fellow/98-00/jordet.pdf+the+roots+of+iranian+cult+of+martyrdom+and+the+danger+it+poses&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESiveYox3wrl7acEPDsv_-LyOuZbZHDkubE-HqQC1PES0E8kqdhNfrhdFx2WQguFY75SY_M3Q-nl_2OCGy4BhBngFq7axXFC9qZ6G5f6L9D6BZ8W2Uja2MiJdYg-fT7kMXGHgBk7&sig=AHIEtbSnO4eWPijS-zrNBO3PqS2XymUIiw

All Oppression Creates a State of War--Simone De Beauvoir

Jenabe shirzadegan,

I became familiar with some of Dr Shariati's ideas about Iranian society (and how to make political change possible) by reading a collection of his essays called:

'Bazgasht beh Khishtan, Kodam khish?' 

He helped me understand many issues regarding the many roles that religion of Islam plays in Iranian society and how it is intertwined with Iranian culture and political system.

I confess, I am not a Dr Shariati's follower or scholar. But,we have a few members on this website who are very knowledgable about this subject. They are attacked and disrespected as soon as they try to discuss their understanding of Dr Shariati. My point is one needs to tune down those personal attacks.

That's all.

Iraj Khan seems you never read Shariati's books

Shariati claims in any social movement in Iran since 200 years ago, we see the face of one clergy at the head of the movement. He starts from shikh Mohammd Khayabani from Tabriz ... Ayatollah Shirazi in Tanbaco movement, Ayatollah Modaress, who mix Islam with politic for the first time (our religion is the same as our politic- Modaress famous statement), ...., Mirza kocha in Jangal movement......and goes all the way to 1963. He doesn't mention the name of Khomaini, but the reader could easily figure out whom he is reffering to. Furthermore,  he compares the western and far east religious leaders with Islamic leaders. Unlike far east leaders such as Siddartha (Buddha) who was a prince, or Lao or Confucius, Shairiati claims Mohammad was from poor class of society. He claims unlike easter religion leaders who were from palaces, Mohammd was a shephard and from deprived class of the society.  

    I can't teach you all Shariati's view here in this blog, you may spend sometimes and read it for yourself.

   That is true that Khomaini and and other clergy leaders were way before Shariati, but they were not in the conscious mind of Iranian people. The same as Marxism. It was not in the conscious mind of Iranian people till Tudeh publication started by Dr. Erani in 1933. (Donya publication). The whole idea was formed by Marx in mid 19th century and first commonist establishment came to live in 1848. It was for a short period of time. Maxism in Iran didn't have any role till Doya publication informed, mobilized the masses.  

    Intellectuals or rather their ideology is the one who leads the nation. Once ideology penetrade the mass's mind, it becomes potential tool for social movement. If the ideology is sitting idly in the closet, there is no threat from that school of thoughts. Similarly Khomaini's idea and his Tozeh-el- masael was sitting in the closet for a long time. NO threat. Intellectuals gives live to that shool of thinking. The idea becames viable once it absorb by the mass. That task is getting done by intellectuals. Oct. revolution (1917) was the result of Lenin's and massive Russians intellectuals. In fact, there is a debate that Oct. revolution took place by the help of intellectuals and peasants. The question of debate is : which group Lenin belong to? intellectuals or peasants. Similarly, the idea for social change in France or impulses for French revolution was contributed to those scholars that I mentioned previously.  

BTW,

French revolution change the social structure of Feudalism to bourgeoisie.  Peasants became the blue labour class in new social format. Feudals transform to the owners of enterprises.

Jenabe shirzadegan,

1. As I worte before, I am not the follower of the Islamic thinkers you mentioned but long before there was a Shariatie or Motahari, there was a 'Rohani' called Khomeini and this last one was the one who established the regime of Velayat Faghih.

2. Now that you have mentioned the French philosophers, remember what happened to France's monarchy because of Voltaire, Jean Jacques Rousseau and Montesquieu's ideas, by the way they were not muslim.

Iraj Khan, Even if you are not half black

That doesn't make any changes as far as Israel is the best ally of Iran people escpecilly in this historical conjuncture when Arabs have eyes on our 3 Island and our people are suffering under tyranny of stinky ruling mullahs.

That doesn't make any changes as far as Shariati was charlatan and deceived our people. His idea leaded to this mess we are dealing with in our country. That was my argue with Angela Davis the heroes whom Shariati keep referring to her in his books. The idea of Voltaire, Jean Jacques Rousseau and Montesquieu created French revolution and idea of Shariatie, Motahari created Iranian revolution and current disaster. You may never found out, but I tried my best.

Doctor Mohandes

I saw Suzie and Terry kissing in the back of the class! I'm going to tell Mrs. Johnson!

how soon?

We need the date / dates please.

come on, come on.

Sk, Nice shot. way to go girl. Did not know you have always wanted to "hit" trita. woooo hoooo! 

lol 

And soon

we'll be reading that Trita Parsi has an affair with Soosan Khanoom and Mr Dai will have the documents form this website to prove it!

what a coincidence

Since i think of your writings in the same exact way... 

sometimes i think you throw in some ethiopean in there as well right?:))

lol

i am glad things are working out well with you guys:)) 

Very funny Soosan Khanoom

and a clever use of language:))

DM, I have heard you are half Greek !!

cause your writings ?? !!........It's all Greek to me!!

lol

oh hey look.

It is the SK and IK show:)))

 You guys make an extremely cute cyber-couple. almost finish each other's sentences.

I call that being on the same wavelenght. something many couples lack nowadays.

LOL 

Iraj khan stop it and confess

As days pass, I am learning more truth about you ... So not only you are "Trita" but also you are "half black".  

Ok, now, what's next?  

lol 

Well,

in regard to this comment that indicates:

"if I am not mistaking you're half black.(I read in one of the comments here)."

I have to confess that I like playing basketball and I am fond of eating watermelon but I'm not half black, President Obama is half black.

"Talk is cheap" Iraj khan

As we can speculate that shah destroyed all democratic channels for Iranians people to express their political views or vent their anger,..... On the other hand, we can speculate that if shah was given more freedom to political parties, Iran would have taken over by Fadaeyan and Mojahedin and Iran would have been deriven toward communist block like China, or USSR. Is there any proof it wouldn't ?  No, Talk is cheap and we can speculate whatever we like. No one seen the other side of the coin. Therefore,  Mosaddeq become the icon of demoratic government in a Utopia in fantasy land of some Iranians and MKE group is still thinking that if they were able to reach the power,  Iran would have been like a paradise. Talk is cheap and these people can get orgasm over something that never happened. I saw the reality of that fantasy land once Khomainie took power. We only saw the othe side of coin of Islamists, but not Fadaeyan, MEK and Mosaddeghists. So we don't know what would have been happened, so keep fantasizing. No body cares.  For sue, I don't need to go back to my teenage time.

As a child, I became familiar with Angela Davis through Shariati's book whom he was speaking of her very highly in his books.

As an adult, I had a chance to become acquainted with this lady. One day after sept, 11. 2001, I told her about Shariati and shah of Iran. She said she was very active back in 60's against shah of Iran. She was handing out flyers in Santa Cruz, and Berkeley campuses against shah.  The more we discussed about her political activities, sept. 11 etc. the more I was convienced that she was an idiot. I found out somtimes idiots just become famous for no legitimate reason. They just have been in right time in right place. I look back after so many years and think how me and million of other Iranians were guilable. We were deceived, betrayed by charlatan such as Shariati and idiots such as Angela Davis. These are the ones who created this state of terror and this mess in our country, NOT jews. But seems you still NOT able to see it. That is okay. You may never find out the cause of our current misery. I tried my best, but seems you're still on your fantasy land.

P.S

   if I am not mistaking you're half black.(I read in one of the comments here).  Jews have always been supportive of blacks because they share the same history of discrimination and oppression. Therefore, if that is the case, you're closer to jews than me or any other Iranians.

Jenabe shirzadegan,

One can detect a sense of suffering in your words, we Iranians have suffered under Shah and Shaikh's rule and I can understand your suffering. 

Unfortunately, this sense of suffering and helplessness morphs into aggression against others.

You say you've read Dr Shariati's books as a teenager which is fine but you need to go back to it and re-read what he had written. It wasn't him or his ideas that created IRI, it was the historical/social/political situation in Iran and Middle East.

For one Shah destroyed all democratic channels for Iranian people to express their political views or vent their anger, hence the mosques took the leadership in overthrowing his regime.

As for your question about Israel, needless to say it's a criminal racist regime that has been threatening Iranians and has its Lobby on this website. Almost 100% of the comments here are anti-IRI anyway, what's the use of screaming some more. You guys go ahead and voice it as much as you want and it's OK.

Iran khan question

"Dr. Shariati was arrested and tortured by Savak and died in exile.

Question: Have you read any of his books?" IrajKhan

No, he was not tortured. He was banned from poisoning people's, like mammd,  mind. He was killed by the same Islamists who set a fire in cinema Rex in Abadan in 1978. They blamed it on Savak. it worked very well for them.

   The world of Islamists is the world of Machiavelli. "The goal explains it's tool". Hadaf vaseeleh ra tojeeh meekonad. Therefore, with "holy goal"!!  we can justify any ruthless tools.  

I was one of Shariati followers and read almost all of his books as a teenager. I was attending his lectures with my older brother in Hosaineh Ershad. I even knew most of this relatives in person. He was one of the main reasons we are in this mess these days. He provoked people against monarchy and shah. There was a  demostration following his speech in front of Hossineh Ershad. The traffice was crazy and people were coming out marching, chanting against the shah. He poisoned people's mind with his man made Islamic or rather maxism ideology. All his write up on 'ari enchoonin bood baradar" was taken from Marx's evolution of society. When I enrolled in the university and started to study Marx I found out the similarity between what Shariati was saying and Marx analytical view of historical process. Islam idea was a creation of nomad, barbaric tribe of Arabs which has no similarity with what Marx as a western scholar said in 19 century. Shariati made a bridge between these 2 and deceived people. All was B.S that brought Iran to current situation that we may get boomed any day. Our people are starving and we may face disintegration and split of our country to the pieces. We may see the loss of thousand innocent Iranian people. Who should we blame?  It was not jews, it was Shariati poisoning idea who put us in this mess.

I am still waiting for OnlyIran question to be answered. Nothing has been written so far to address Onlyiran's question. 

Let me

write a few things that I know about Dr Shariati.

To start with, let me confess!

I am not, was not and never have been a follower of Dr Shariati but I respect him. One may ask why?

Because I've read his books, not all his books but enough to understand what he was all about. He helped me to understand many issues regarding the many roles that religion of Islam plays in Iranian society and how it is intertwined with Iranian culture and political system. My favorite book written by him was a collection called 'Bazgasht Beh Kheestan'. 

Dr. Shariati was arrested and tortured by Savak and died in exile.

Question: Have you read any of his books?

still waiting for OnlyIran question/mammad concern

PS2, I've been against Velayate Faghih from its inception but what good does it do if I screem it all day long here?

How about Israel?

Mammad agha,

     you should respect Iran's history which is comingled with monarchy or Padeshahi.  Whenever you walk on foreing land, you carry over 5000 years history of Monarchy on your shoulder. Either you like it or dislike it. You should respect the wishes of your ancestors who were monarchists and introduced monarchy as a political system for the first time to the history of mankind. The reason that you have been alienated from your history relates to the fact that you have been brainwashed by Shariatie's books. You spent too much of your time reading those garbages. it poisoned your mind. Shariati was a charlatan. Don't get deceived by charlatans. Stinky ruling mullahs are charlatan too. They set a fire in cimema Rex in Abadan, killed about 500 innocents men/women, children and blamed it on shah and S.A.V.A.K. 

At the end, I have to say that I am sorry for the lost of your immediate family member for political accomution in our country.

Sincerely,

Siavash

This is the place that we have chosen to live

Where else can you get this great collection of cultures, nationalities and races?

Yes, we have the military industrial complex and the Israel Lobby, etc. But what are we gonna do? We might as well try to make the best of it.

Did you know there are young Iranian Americans who have joined the different branches of US military? It is what it is.

I confess I am not a revolutionary but I try to keep my eyes, my ears and heart open. That's why I was never fooled by people like Dai and those who were celebrating his lies here only 2 days ago.

I hope you have not been fooled either.

On the usa as a place to live....

United States is a good place to live and raise a family but a few conditions needs to be met first.

Yes, 1) you need to be rich or 2) you need to have good paying work which is not too hard to find/pre the recent depression or else 3) you will be like either the 120 million with no access to health care or the 180 mllion who are paying high prices for the privelege.  If you are 1 or 2, you are fine, because the standard of living is the highest in the world for the money. Provided you have $1000 USD it goes farther than anywhere in the world but you will need to disconnect from #4) your own conscience to live there happily, with out reflecting on who are the ones paying the price for the standard of living you are enjoying. 5) an empty mind is more important than an open one for life in the USA, once you realize all the personal income tax of the entire country combined doesn't even add up to amount spent on the military industrial complex and you become aware you are getting zero in return for income tax.