HUMAN RIGHTS IN IRAN

Mr Foggy Logic

I will not dignify your comments about spying, but i will respond to your uniformed comment about insulting Islam.

If you knew anything about who were the very first followers of the Bab, you would not make such comments; 

Please study the Quran, before you make statements about the finality of Islam and the Prophet Muhammad as the last Prophet.

Investigate for yourself instead of listening to the Mullah..

I post this just for you... 

 The meaning of Seal of Prophets

Hamvatan! هم وطن

Dear Non Bahai

The Smoke you refer to is the dark cloud that is the Mullah..trying to obscure the truth to prolong its own existence.

The Fire, is the fire of love burning in the hearts of the Bahais; love and devotion to a cause that they believe will one day free Iran and the world from injustice and Tyranny. 

 The Mullahs whose whole exitance is threatened by a minority of defenseless people, have never been able to break the Bahai spirit.

The Mullahs are threatened , beacuse they can not control these most  progressive, educated, devout and most united minority in iran,  who have in the last 160 years not been intimatated by the Mullah and who have stood thier ground in the face of the most horrible cruelty.

They have never in history been able to implicate in any way any Bahai ; they have not been able to produce any shred of evidence against them.

Their every effort has subsequently been called a forgery. 

How could d a Bahai who has no interest in politics, who has been barred from earning a living  with absolutely no connection or exposure to any sensitive post or government job be a spy...?

These people were volunteer community workers who repoted theri very activity to the local authority. 

Those "sizable" peoole you refer to need to dig a little deeper to see behind the regime's anxiety and real motives. 

Foggy

As far as I can tell you should be sorry for your own ignorant state of mind. Shame on you!!! People like you are very dangerous to humanity.

As far as I know the Baha’is will obey just government if the government is not just like your IR then Baha'is will defend themselves by non-violent ways. Are you saying that our Baha'i hamvatan should not defend themselves from fault accusations? Are you saying that they should agree with the government that they are spy without providing any proofs and do nothing? Are you saying they should not be allowed to have lawyers to defend them in the court of law? Do you have any humanity in you? Are you proud of your IR for what they have done to our Baha'i hamvatan in the last 30 years?

I believe you're a good soul, no matter what religion, along wit

Thank you foggy, very flattering!

I revere the words of Mohammad and his person, but the actions of his followers is deplorable by all.

Misguided is when you behead your own wife with 2 young kids for fear of a divorce, and that is just scratching the surface. That is the fruit of being misguided. Imagine when the whole society is based on such guidance.

some clarifications;

1) innocent till proven guilty in a legitimate court of law, and due process, the rest is wishful slanders.

2)If the basis of the Bahai belief is an insult to Islam, then Islam with the same token is an insult to Christianity, Judaism, Zoroastrian and any other religion prior to it. So like the rest of us you just have to show tolerance. If you believe that Mohammad is the last then show some faith and overcome your morbid fear of being possibly wrong. Many others just dont share your belief get used to it in a civil way, so we can all get along.

3) propaganda against the regime!!!!

the regime is hated/loved inside out by Muslims and non Muslims, but NO OFICIAL BAHAI INSTITUTION have voiced anything against the regime except demanding in a civil and lawful manner for the persecution to stop and for the rights of the Bahais to be respected. The rest is speculation and misguided anticipation on your part.

It is ironic that you believe we are good yet misguided.
If Bahais are capable to show an iota of goodness it is 100% and directly due to the guidance of Bahaullah and the Bahai teachings and guidance.
You on the other hand arrogantly consider yourself rightly guided yet, the world is witnessing war, murder, beheading of the innocence, abuse of humanity, abuse of children in all forms, perversion of the words of God, violence, rage, hate ..etc due to the misunderstanding of such guidance you claim to own.

Let us revisit misguided in layman's term again.

How do you access misguided!

Is not he who makes wars in the name of God, kills his own children for their pity errors, cut peoples throat, oppresses in cold blood, treats women as half good and beat them into submission, slanders the truth,...spauses children... the MISGUIDED one.

Your definition of misguided is what the Ula-ma teach you and there is a maslehat in that and that maslehat means they dont tell you the whole truth.

foggy road ,don't be sorry for me ...

تو خود در ظلماتی، اما تو نمی دانی. آنکس که این راه رود چون خود را در تاریکی بیند، بداند که پیش از آن هم در تاریکی بوده است و هرگز روشنائی به چشم ند یده.

To those who believe we're spies

Please read this:

//info.bahai.org/article-1-8-3-19.html 

Mona...

1.Spying for Isreal !

2.insult to the sacredness of Islam!

3.propaganda against the regime!

Mona ,

I believe you're made to believe this in a "tooti-vari" fashion.

Now going to rejecting your weak arguments:

1. As far as rejecting the first charge, you don't have to be necessariy employed by government, to spy against them. You can spy by other soft means, and targets, e.g. high tech (computers) , low tech (people contact)

2. As far the Bahais not insulting Islam, you're kidding me, right? The basis of Bahais religion is insulting to moslems, speically Bab, claiming to be Mahdi , and rejecting the ideas of finality of Mohammad prophetship. ( I cannot believe anything more insulting to a Shia Moslem)

3. Propganda against the regime:
Left and right the Bahais are bad mouthing regime, assuming that it is all deserved for the sake of argument , however, it is against the IRI law. And I don't see how the Bahais claim they respect the law of the land, then go against it, and finally claim innocence. And it is quite hypocritical to say one thing and do another.

I believe you're a good soul, no matter what religion, along with many other Bahais that I converse in this site, however, I beleive you're truly misguided and brainwashed, and I feel sorry for your state of mind.

They are Innocent.Period.

The charges against them are all baseless and false, but IRI keep repeating and hoping they would become accepted as the truth.

1.Spying for Isreal !

Please tell me what kind of information could they possibly have that would be important to Israel when they have no access to any military/political data...They don't even have goverment jobs for past thirty yrs...

2.insult to the sacredness of Islam!

We always respect the Holy ones of Islam and never insult and belittle the station of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH),his Holy book, and his teachings.(our faith is the only independent world religion other than Islam that accepts the divinity of rasoul akram).

3.propaganda against the regime!

They've never campaigned against any government, and there 're no evidence that any of these Bahais ( or any other Baha'is) have ever done sth against this injust regime...and there is nothing anti-Iran in our teachings/principles.

Mona

Mona Jaan

I know that you mean well, and based on your writings in other blogs, I believe that you can be a nice person.

Nevertheless, there is a sizable number of people who are generally suspicious of the Bahai activities in Iran. I personally believe that for a Bahai to live in Iran, is like playing with fire! I mean, come on, a Bahai in a Shia state? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to recognize the danger!

All in all, as the Americans say it, "Where there is smoke, there is fire". What I am saying is that it is hard for me to believe that these Bahais are totally innocent. Period.

EU expresses...

..."Deep Concern" over seven Baha'i prisoners.

Statement from the European Union

May my beautiful Iran be free and glorious.

Mona 

Let your vision be world embracing

Faryam,

Isn't it amazing how some are unaware that a new Baha'i must embrace and revere Muhammed(PBUH)in order to be faithful?

Those who don't investigate the Baha'i Faith, haven't come to see how Baha'is from Hindu, Christian, Jews, Buddhists and Zoroastrian backgrounds embrace Islam and learn about the Koran as they become Baha'is. As a Baha'i of Christian background, I can testify that the discovery of Islam (and Islamic civilization) was an unbounded joy!

This also happened when Islam went out of the Arabian peninsula to the known world . . . to embrace Islam was (and still is) to embrace the truth of Judaism and Christianity.

No great Faith ever made its way into the world by denigrating the other religions that preceded it. However, each of the Prophets had strong warnings for those who should have been able to see the new truth as it arrived, like Pharoah's priests in Moses' time, like the Pharisees of Jesus' time, like the Jews and Christians of Muhammed's(PBUH)time.

Unity is Baha'u'llah's great teaching. He said, "Let your vision be world embracing" Baha'is are not here to impose one religion on another. We believe all the great Faiths came from God, the same God.

The unity Baha'is desire is the unity of God, of revealed religion, and human society. There is after all, one world. Unity appears simple but so far no one has achieved it. The unity that Baha'u'llah predicts is massive, powerful and . . .voluntary.

It is sad to see how some are willing to commit tremendous harm in order to maintain the status quo, which is based upon division and persecution. I often think the persecution in Iran has become intense because deep down the perpertrators know the jig is up, the cat has been let out of the bag, because the spirit of the age is too strong, too enlightened for such mistretment to have a future.

To be a Baha'i is to see that unity (in diversity)
is a Holy Cause. Baha'is believe in a common heritage and a universal destiny for the world, despite our apparent differences. God is not dead, religion is not outmoded, it is actually a form of Love.

As Rumi said:

Come, come whoever you are,
Wanderer, idolater, or worshipper of fire.
Come, even if you have broken your vow
a thousand times
Come and yet again, come.
Our is not a caravan of despair

Bahais revere Islam...

What is really SAD, is that all these "Anonymous" and "Religious " "scholars" dont know, is  that Bahais in general and western Bahais from christian background revere Islam and uphold and Defend the legitimacy of The Prophet Muhammad and Islam, at a time when muslims clerics and mullahs have brough such "abasement" to the  world of Islam, by their corruption and criminal acts.

In the words of Baha'u'llah:

"O people of the Koran," Bahá'u'lláh, addressing the combined forces of Sunni and Shi'ih Islám, significantly affirms, "Verily the Prophet Of God, Muhammad, sheddeth tears at the sight of your cruelty. Ye have assuredly followed your evil and corrupt desires, and turned away your face from the light of guidance. Erelong will ye witness the result of your deeds: for the Lord. My God, lieth in wait and is watchful of your behaviour ... O concourse of Muslim divines! By your deeds the exalted station of the people hath been abased, the standard of Islam hath been reversed, and mighty throne hath fallen." 

Dear Mr "Scholar",

look within you own fold and question who has been responsible for its abasement and fall. 

To Baha'iviews and Faryar!

Thank you!

Seagull

It's very interesting how you try to either diminsh or put down Shia Islam, whether directly or indirectly. You forgot that the Bahai's get their legitimacy through Bab, who claimed to be the re-appearnce of the twelfth Shia Imam (The Mahdi).

Maybe I shouldn't be surprised after all :)

sad it is

VERY SAD indeed, to see the rightous man of Islam turning into the bats of the night anonymous UK.

Passerby,
To much skeptism can lead to mental illness. Mohammad PBUH says to much suspicion is a sin.
Also a lot of christians dont have a very healthy view of the sect of Shiia or Islam in general, mormon is the list of their concern. On top of that out of the 1.2 billion moslems almost 1.2 billion of them think of shia as a cult. There are volumes and volumes of books written that astaghforellah refute Mohammads, PBUH claim.
That is why you should not go there. Consider Salmon Rashdi, you in your own little ways turn yourself into him, someone that you hate.
You know the only important thing at the end of the day,... is the truth.
Dont waste your precious time with these crying games of deceit. This only brings shame to your beloved beleif.
It is not Gods will for you to live in fear, violence and imprisonment but in love, peace and freedom.
The truth shall set you free, what more can you ask for!

Thank you faryar aziz

for posting these videos, it is so refreshing to see our open minded Iranian hamvatans to support our plight. As far as those ignorant comments they are the last voice of hate getting weaker and weaker in Iran:)))

With the hope of freedom for the 7 bahais and all Iranians,

Tahirih

Thanks Faryam

You are absolutely right. Without objectivity and looking for the truth trough searching and analyzing the information, we can never access to any knowledge nor progress, leave alone reaching to the ultimate freedom!

Passing through ...

Baha'i faith is an independept World religion...and it's neither a "sect" nor a "Cult" (It 's as much a sect of Islam as Christianity is a sect of Judaism)

The characterization of the Bahai Faith as a "Cult" reveals the writers are uninformed about which they claim to have knowledge!!!

Every new religion has also been characterized as a "Cult" by those who opposed it (Islam included)....Please go read those verses in Holy Quran.

And let's please Stick to the Subject at hand which is about false charges against Yaran aziz Iran (the innocent Baha'is of Iran).

Mona 

Souri Jaan..

Souri Jaan..

I was talking behind your back as well as others on Iranian.com in the last couple of days.

A group of friends of all religions, mainly Bahais and Muslim were commenting of how as a result of the available information on the web, not to mention the unfortunate persecution of Bahais in Iran; the raised level of awareness has benefited the Bahais to an unprecedented level.

There seems to me 3 kinds of opiniion about the Bahais.

Those like you and many others here who have an open mind and a thirst for information and knowledge and willing to examine fact and history.

Those who have closed all the doors and have grown up hearing conspiracy theories and malicious heresay from the mulah, who refuse to go to the heart of the matter and ask questions and examine the truth for themselves.

and some like the above but with so much more venum that can not stand the attention given to the plight of the Bahais by increasing number of fairminded iranians and world media.

To both Anonymous remarks

The body of my comments since 1997 on iranian.com are testament to my beliefs, values and character. In any case every Bahai is different in style and expression.

I happen to have the courtesy to respond to insincere and even what you call "respectful".

Your reaction to my response is not surprising; it "reveals" a certain narrow mindedness very much like the person whose ignorance you are defending.

Regardless of my response; whether kind or not,  I am afraid you seem to have already formed an opinion. and using my previous comment to have a DIG.

At least you could have responded under the same Anon Name... 

Faryam

Thanks for sharing this with us. You have all our empathy my dear. This situation should stop.

BTW: I was about to answer that "Passing Trough", but you did it in a best way!! What he said, just doesn't make sense and I believe he is aware of it. It's like some people just want to make noises, when it comes to important matters.

Part 3 on its way...

Part 3 on its way...

To: Faryarm

What happened to all kindness and World Peace that Bahai'i's are supposed to espouse towards others. I believe that what Passing ..... said is the sentiment that many peple may have. His comment was respectful. Your reaction to this person is both surprising and revealing. It reminds me of the saying: Do as I say, not do as I do. VERY SAD ........

Important to examine the charges...

It is Important to see the examination and the absurdity of the charges in real terms from both Bahai as well

as how non Bahai observers see this stepped up crackdown.

Dear Faryar, thanks for these links....

Alborz

PS. Is there a link to Part 3? 

Passing Through

Read this:

//www.bahai-library.com/essays/cult.html

So we're not really that sort of cult. :) But what exactly makes you feel that we are one? 

disingenuous passing remark...

Dear ...

To be honest with you; perhaps you should be honest and not try o sound sincere..

You make no sense with your remarks which only prove your unfortunate intolerance which most likely comes not from skepticism but acute ignorance and prejudice.

To use your own words: 

"I don't mean to insult you or anything, but because of that, it is more difficult to 'Empathize'" with such petty intolerance and

ignorant bigot.

Fortunately round here, i hope you are increasingly in the minority.

Dear Mona and Faryarm

To be honest with you, I have great difficulty taking the Bahai Faith seriously. I live in the U.S., and as you may know, the Christians here have a great difficulty taking the Mormon Faith seriously.

In their eyes, the Mormon Faith is more of a 'Cult' than a regular religion. That is how I feel towards the Bahai Faith.

I don't mean to insult you or anything, but because of that, it is more difficult to 'Empathize' with your situation as you are describing it here. There are perhaps a lot of people who feel the same way as I do, but just don't come out and say it - Hope you understand!

Dear Faryar, Thanks for sharing.

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