Devout Infidel

CoP

 You're doing a great job, keep it up. :)

No Fear..what do you expect?

There's no "debating" with you people. It is your way, or death...right?  You want a strict religious rule to control every aspect of human life and to dictate your brand of morality. Well, you have it. Let us see how long you can hold on to it. 

But not to worry...I brought up an issue that points to the very root of Iranian problem; a deep systemic problem, but since your poison has been injected into our veins for 14 centuries, we continue to embrace those who opress us.

Life will go on; be it in diaspora or in Iran. It is the quality of which that one must question.

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dear progress

yes indeed i can't disagree with your last comment to me. for sure we could have done with a better outcome from the revolution than khomeini and this lot...

Peace

COP ...

While my previous reply addressed all your questions, your recent post is without any reason and contains only emotional mumbo jumbo. 

I hope you do better next time.

No Fear..or Abdullah - Iran or Islam?

OK...I'm in diaspora and I should neither matter nor count in your grand scheme of islamization of what was once my motherland.

But you keep coming back for more...to remind me I'm pathetic.....Why?

Is there a qouta for responses that you have to report back on; like it is your "duty"...know what I mean? Or you feel you must defend the religion that was forced on your ancestors; that which now claims Iran...... (unless you're south Lebanese.....)

Whatever it is, whatever you people have enjoyed for the past 31 years, let it be known that it won't last. I am not speaking of myself for I am too tired/too old  to take on the gun wielding, knife swinging, pick up driving thugs that make up your constituents. It will be the youth of Iran, those whom you claim are on your side that will take you down.They will make you answer.

Pilitically incompetent you say? You people wrote the book on incompetence.

PEOPLE DO NOT WANT THEOCRACY - THEY D O  N O T!

Incompetence spells Islamic Theocracy of Iran - ITI

Republic is a joke in an Islamic seeeeeestem.

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COP ...

You said;

Show me one prosperous, progressive and most important, Free muslim nation and I'll withdraw everything I have said.

Do you expect me to buy this as a divine logic? Are you kidding me? Why don't you show me a developed Persian speaking country? Like those whose names end with "stan"? The flaw in your logic is that you are comparing a country to developed countries. Ofcourse, all other countries will be less developed. Try harder next time.

If I am pathetic, your remark about Persepolis is a realistic testament to how anti-nationalistic you are..

Why? because you say so? lol  I stated the fact that perspolis is a ruin caused by alexandre. How does that make me anti-nationalist? My point is that our identity as Iranians goes far beyond the ruins of perspolis. We have evolved past that era, while you are stuck in those ruins. Get over it.

 I am only secular. I want a non-religious institution to govern Iran. Why is that so bad?

As you wish. If the majority of Iranians wish the same, then you be a happy puppy. But until then, keep dreaming. I am a constitutionalist. If our constitution , through the vote of the majority of people, decide our country to become like Turkey, then i will support that constitution. You might want to look in to Turkey and what they did as a nation to accomplish what you dream of. They have huge underlying problems.

Besides, Islam has been a political force in Iran ever since Shi'ite Islam was introduce in Iran a few centuries ago. We are talking the Zand dynesty. This is a political movement longer than any political movement our country has seen. Its very powerful and has deep roots among people. You are picking on the strongest force in Iran with what? A secular ideology? to promote what? justice? democracy?

All the above ideas that you are advocating, falls under our cultural boundries and not our political tolerances. Be a realist rather than an idealist.

The specific questions you asked really means nothing in terms of our current situation since they don't reflect whats happening NOW. However, i will reply.

Is there any room for people who do not subscribe to any religion in particular in today's Iran?

Do you mean if they want to be politically active without being religous? Or are you talking an average joe in Iran?

Currently, you can participate in Iran's politics if you respect the religous boundries. This is in our constitution. Even people with different religions have members of parliament to participate in policy making process. Did i understand you question properly?

Does EVERYONE have to be a devout muslim?

Not necessarily, but it certainly helps to advance your political goal. This is like anywhere else in the world. The closer you are to the centre of power, the most likely you will succeed in your political career. Take look around you and prove me wrong. This is politics.

Do you honestly believe that everyone in Iran is on-board with your brand of "Greatness" and Power?

Last time i checked it was about %60. The others who voted differently, also believe in our greatness and powers, we differ on how to go forward. Where do you fit in this equation? did you vote?

How many of the millions upon millions you speak of are deathly afraid to say anything against your institution knowing they will be persecuted as a Mohareb if they do?

There are always legal avenues to promote your cause and campaign for your bill to pass in Majlis. Isn't that how its done in the countries that you look up to and regret why you weren't born there and your name wasn't Bob? Taking the street and rioting is social anarchy and can not result in any positive changes. IR has changed the constitution a few times now, even the most important issue from your point of view,( Velayate Fagih ), has been changed and debated before. People inside Iran  have decided to reform and better the system and each group is pursuing their agandas under legal circumstances. Only a small bunch who live outside of Iran , are advocating regime change and shouting " lengesh kon".

Is Iran, the Islamic eutopia, only for the brainwashed faithful, or the silent Mohareb?

I know for sure its not the place for the politically incompetent diaspora who can't agree on anything , stuck their tails between their legs when the heat came down on them, resided in some of the best spots on earth and have the audacity and idiocity to dictate whats right or wrong.  As i said, you are pathetic.

Dera ms. Parsi

I too wish you a happy and healthy Persian New Year - Norooz Pirooz.

No, I am not advocating to go back to the religion of our ancestors. All I am saying is if we were more aware and more knowledgable of the past, perhaps we would have thought twice before going into streets and chant Khomeini to power.

It is one thing to want change from monarchy and another to allow a bunch of incompetent zealots to take over complete control. This applies to any religion, anywhere.

Baa sepaas.

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No Fear, beg all you want

I am not lobbying to go back in history and I don't deny that Iranians are mainly muslim. I disagree with the way their religion is being used by your turbanned masters to deconstruct my motherland. There are a lot of people who share my thoughts; those less brainwashed than you, and those who do not have a stake in the persistence of injustice.

Show me one prosperous, progressive and most important, Free muslim nation and I'll withdraw everything I have said.

If I am pathetic, your remark about Persepolis is a realistic testament to how anti-nationalistic you are.

I am not pathetic, I am only secular. I want a non-religious institution to govern Iran. Why is that so bad? Just because the people are muslim does not mean their government should consist of a bunch of incompetent baboons.

What has 31 years of murder and misery brought Iran other than second hand militray hardware paid for by the resources that should have been used to make life better for the people.

Do you really believe that you could continue to rule my motherland with brutality, force and fear.....No Fear?

P.S., Bottom line, I guess, are thess questions:

-Is there any room for people who do not subscribe to any religion in particular in today's Iran?

-Does EVERYONE have to be a devout muslim (which is another discussion in and of itself)?

-Do you honestly believe that everyone in Iran is on-board with your brand of "Greatness" and Power?

-How many of the millions upon millions you speak of are deathly afraid to say anything against your institution knowing they will be persecuted as a Mohareb if they do?

-Is Iran, the Islamic eutopia, only for the brainwashed faithful, or the silent Mohareb?

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I beg to differ ...

Take a look around you in Iran during Ashura va Taasoaa season and witness with your own eyes how many people flock to the street to mourn the martyrdom of one of Islam imams.

Iranians, are devouted muslims. Get this fact in your heads. You can not change our peoples mind and their devotion to their religion. We also cheerish our past customs such as norooz and such.

The last 1400 years is a huge part of our history and culture. If you eliminate every islamic aspect of our culture, whether in literature, architecture, culturally and religiously, there would be nothing else to define us as Iranians.

You want us to cheerish the ruins of perspolis?  That whole structure is a reminder of a huge defeat by Alexandre. You want us to change our writting to the pre islamic times?  Then we will lose so much in our literature since none of it is written in pre islamic language.

Yeah go ahead and call me ommati or whatever. You are delusional. People, nations and cultures, evolve. They don`t go back in time 2500 years. Don`t be ashamed of who we are now. Millions and millions of Iranians are proud of who they are today.

You are just a miserable person who wants to tell the rest of Iranians how miserable they are today.  You are pathetic.

progress

sal-e no mobarak!

do you really think reverting back to a previously predominant religion is the answer to the challenge of building secularism?

phantom: what about the quality of moving with, and learning from the times?

Dear Friends

Thanks you for your interest and feedback. I just wanted to raise this important point, but apparently it is more important to bad mouth Israel and suck up to those who continue to colonize our minds than it is to get to the bottom of why we are the way we are.

Perhaps you are more optimistic than I am, but I do not see a way out of the systemic problem that has plauged our mothland for such a long time anytime soon, if ever. If we don't "see" what's damaging us, we can never begin the reconstruction process.

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CoP jaan

My good man, as long as the ajam bardeh psyche is the norm, as long as Ommatie mentality is the way, as long as our Medeo-Persian language is but a mere dialect of Arabic, as long as you write in the alphabet of occupiers, as long as you read the poetry of shaikhak malok al shoara of Qadesiyeh, as long as Imamzadeh taher is glorified with neon lights & king Ardeshir palace is a dump & a drug addicts haven, as long as we have a thousand hussein abad for every Rustam abad, as long as illiterate Navab Safavi rules & Kasrawi & Ferdowsi die lonely,  As long as the so called modern elite still talks with the vocab & grammer of safi alishah era, as long as we a nation of big talks haven,t even made a half decent movie about the so called founder of our nation, Cyrus(pbuh) throuout last 80 yrs & as long as we are not honest with ourselves to look at the mirror & verify to see if we truly are the legacy & flag bearers of that sacred concept & term ,"Iran", the rest is just cry in the wind.

Shallow cultural reforms wont do, we need to raze & erase the Ommatie virus that is as native to our land after so long that diffrentiating it from diluted true Iran is like looking for water in cup full of wet salt  .

Cheers & thx for the blog pal!!!

Path of Kiaan Resurrection of True Iran Hoisting Drafshe Kaviaan //iranianidentity.blogspot.com //www.youtube.com/user/samsamsia

kind of reminds

you of the famous saying: Those who can not remember the past  are condemned to repeat it.
If there is only one good thing that came out from the omati IRR take over, is the opportunity for
us to take a look and rediscover our past, aka our true identity which has been masked under for 1400 years of repression. The sad fact is at what cost though? destruction, war, murder of a million people through war and internal executions,million's in exile, devasted social, cultural, not to mention economey with no end in sight. I am optimistic that we will over come this night mare evantualy, but not that optmistic about establishment
of true secular democtractic society as some people in here hope for. Well at least not in my life time........

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