Bavafa

VPK, that was a great question, because of the way you put it.

I'd love to know the answser, i wouldn't be surprised if no one answers it, its almost embarrassing that legitimate grievances that Iranians have are not addressed with their approach and that the example they use to prove the evil of the USA is Palestine, when what the USA is and has been doing to Iranians is far worse.  The net National consumption of Iran is about half of what it was in 1970's today, yet the population is more than double, does ayone know how much poverty, suppression and regression that is?  Well done they achieved their Africanization goal on iran and with ignorance Iranians can only praise the west. The west couldn't fall in love with christian anti-secualrism for themselves and let us live in peace, with freedom. 

Question.

I do not understand what makes an Iranian put USA/France/UK/Israel above Iranians and above Iranian Freedom. Would someone please respectfully tell me?  Is this some kind of a stockholm syndrome or Tarof? 

APFSM

That was not my question! It was actually directed to people who are obsessed with Palestine. I did not ask"what about my home after IRI" I was pointing out that they don't care about it.

VPK I know I perceive very differently to you,

However when the regime comes down, not if, then you get your home back and an equivalent cash bonus of what you would have lost through rent of your home minus taxes. Simple solution.  The people that benefited from your home will collectively have to pay you the money, they will not be allowed to remove it from their credit. My only suggestion to you is wake up to the current usa policy for iran and don't hold your breath that the usa is there to help iran achieve freedom when they opposed it tooth and nail in the 1970's when they finally removed the shah, who they were pushing and using to keep oil prices high.

A few points

I am still not getting why some Iranians are so obsessed with Palestinians. Is it some kind of pan Islamic sympathy? If so please just come out and say it. I notice people say they oppose "injustice" why just Palestinians? My family home in Iran was take.  Why aren't they worried about me? Is it because my family did not move into a refugee camp to live off the UN for the past 32 years?

Next I agree that our backgrounds impact our positions. But I do not understand what makes an Iranian put Palestinians about Iranians. Would someone please respectfully tell me? 

I am not asking for any attacks or insults; I really want to know why. In addition I am not sure what is meant by victory. I am not going to be Hambasdeh without knowing what victory means.

Focussing on Iran

The only reason I suggest we rethink our views regarding the USA, UK, France, Israel, is that contrary to their words and based purely on their actions, they are the ones that betrayed the Shah, they were behind the instability in Iran and they are the ones that have NO disagreements today among each other regarding keeping Extremsit anti-secular religious forces in Power in Iran, one way or another, any way and at any cost.  Yes of course Iranians were manipulated and are used in the process, this is how modern neocolonialism works.  Read about it by the very people doing it and discusing it.  What the international apartheid system is doing to Iran, through religion is what is of concern to me above all for now.  Suppressing Iranians this way, by using the mullahs, is from my point of view as an Iranian worse than what the west has done to the Palestinians.  I Don't mean to sound heartless, but the crime on Palestinians is a cause there is no need to bring to Iranians unless it affects Iran, which it does not. The larger issue is that the international apartheid systems neocolonialism is today Iranians obstacle in removing the IRI and achieving Freedom and Democracy.  Being a USA brown nose (supporting all its governments policies) helps IRI because the west loves anti-secular religous extremists which it is helping to grow and securing them in every place even through the use of war in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya.  Please don't be upset by me if you are one of those immature gullibles thinking the USA is bringing Freedom and Democracy to these places. 

Apartheid system?

In 1973 the International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid (ICSPCA) was adopted by the United Nations General Assembly.[29] The ICSPCA defines the crime of apartheid as

 "inhuman acts committed for the purpose of establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group ... over another racial group ... and systematically oppressing them."

Israeli regime's aparthied system is well documented and condemned by the United Nations as follow:

"The State of Israel's treatment of the Palestinians has been compared by United Nations investigators, human rights groups and critics of Israeli policy to South Africa's treatment of non-whites during its apartheid era. Israel has also been accused of committing the crime of apartheid.[1][2][3] Critics of Israeli policy say that "a system of control" in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, including Jewish-only settlements, separate roads, military checkpoints, discriminatory marriage law, the West Bank barrier, use of Palestinians as cheap labour, Palestinian West Bank enclaves, inequities in infrastructure, legal rights, and access to land and resources between Palestinians and Israeli residents in the Israeli-occupied territories resembles some aspects of the South African apartheid regime, and that elements of Israel's occupation constitute forms of colonialism and of apartheid, which are contrary to international law"

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_the_apartheid_analogy

The international apartheid system is treating Iran the same way, that's what Mr Mehrdad is talking aobut.

AO, have you considered the possibility?

That even the rocks, sands, sewage, and ghalyoons of Palestine are "holy" and that is why our usual suspects here want to turn Iranian.com into Israel-Palestine.com (and divert the discussion away from far worse (and more relevant) injustices in the world, starting with...oh, I don't know...the hundreds of thousands of Iranians that have been killed as a result of the IRI, its executions and its worthless 8-year war).

Amir & Fesenjoon

You guys are funny!  Don't worry about our good freind Mola Shotor here.  I must have touched a nerve when I reminded him that the IR--and Iran for that matter--still exist because Israel had to get rid of Saddam's A-bomb before he had an opportunity to drop it on the country and turn it into a bowl of dust.  

I mean, how humiliating must it be for the IR and its supporters.  Seriously, these people called for Israel's destruction from day one they came to power--33 years ago--and while they said they were fighting Iraq to liberate Palestine (WTF? Really!!) Israel had to send aircraft to get rid of Saddam's A-bomb factory and save these losers.  And when I say loser, I have to really capitalize it: LOSER!!!  How embarrassing!!  And to add insult to injury, Israel had to save these losers' rear end while Palestinians were fighting alongside saddam against Iran.

And Amir has a point.  Why don't these losers just set up a site called Palestine.com and argue their heads off for Holy Palestine there?  Why here on IC?  Really, no one gives a s**t about Palestine / Israel conflict.  They can both go to hell as far as I and the overwhleming majority of Iranians are concerned.  It's just a couple of leftover 1970's losers on IC with a dozen different usernames.  

Going from 22 to 23 Arab states (give or take)

is one of the least worthy political causes in the entire world. Other than serving as a useful distraction for the IRI and its rotten ilk, I cannot see one good reason for any Iranian to advocate the creation of yet another Arab state.

Knowing people's back ground....

Does help a great deal in understanding the position they take and why.

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

AMIR :-))

Dude,

It's so easy to identify these people, if war does break out. They probably have a "scare jew" in front of their houses:

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJtzi0VPK10

Can we change Iranian.com to Palestine-Israel.com?

Personally, I think no issue is more important to Iranians than Palestine and Israel. I only wish there were more than 24 hours in the day so we could spend more time discussing Holy Palestine and the Jooooooooz. Just sayin'.

pssst

to the akhond-loving poster below:

I think this cartoon is for you:

//iranian.com/main/blog/fesenjoon2/cartoon-why-irans-regime-will-last-32-more-years

psssst

to the commentator below:

You are on the wrong thread!

The thread for lovers of Israel and its contributions to Iranians and U.S is a couple threads below on the 'Most Discussed list.

I know the supporters of Israel such as yourself, pay their respect and gratitude to the Racist, Rapist government of Israel for assassinating Iranian scientists and pushing Iran, United States and the whole region into another destructive war.

But you are on the wrong thread as I said before. On March 2-6, the %99 will show their disdain towards the last racist regime on earth and its opratives who will gather under the AIPAC banner in Washington.

There will be many Enlightened jews who will demonstrate against AIPAC and its lackies in the United States.

//www.occupyaipac.org/ 

By the way the following jewish organizations will attend and show their hatred toward Israeli Lobby's manipulation of U.S. political process, you can add them to the previous list posted below. 

LA Jews for Peace

American Jews for a Just Peace
American Jews for a Just Peace – Boston

You may want to get in touch with them, maybe, they would be able to enlighten you too.

So, I made a wager with myself when I saw the title of this blog

I bet myself that the first sentence of the blog will have the word Israel in it.  I was not disappointed.  

You may also want to add the following few comparisons too:

*The IR has been calling for the destruction of Israel for the past 33 years.  Israel has not called for Iran to be wiped off the map.  I know, I know, it's threatening to strike IR's nuclear facilities.  It's not the same. You know it too.   

*Ayatollah (sorry, Imam) Khomeini sacrificed hundreds of thousands of Iranian youth to liberate Qods and to push the Jews into the sea by continuing the Iran / Iraq war after Saddam had agreed to end it.  This is how much he and the entire IR clan were (and are) obsessed with destroying Israel.

*If it wasn't for Israel eliminating Saddam's nuclear facilities, Iran would have been turned into a parking lot by Saddam Hussein's first nuclear bomb.  Were do you morons think Saddam would have dropped his first A-bomb?  That's right: the center of Tehran.  Hell, he didn't even have nukes and he was turning Iran's cities into parking lots with Russian Scuds--and your impotent Islamic Republci couldn;t do jack s##t to stop him.  Can you imagine what would have happened if he had gotten his hands on an A-bomb?  And you nit wits are left with no other option but to thank Israel for saving you.  And you know it too.  That's why you compensate for that obvious shortcoming of yours--that is having had to rely on the jooooz for your continued existence--by constantly badmouthing Israel.  It's kind of like a guy who says he's over his ex-girlfriend dumping him, but keeps talking about her and stalking her.

What a sad, sad bunch you are... 

While

the Persians and jews were waiting for 'his arrival' to be 'saved',

the following jewish organizations have shown their support for Occupy AIPAC's upcoming action.

A partial list:

Jews Say No
Jewish Voice for Peace
Jewish Voice for Peace, Bay Area
Jewish Voice for Peace, Chicago
Jewish Voice for Peace, Portland, OR
Jewish Voice for Peace, DC Metro Chapter
...

//www.occupyaipac.org/

Long live unity between Israeli people and Iranians

We never had any problem with jews during shah's days and we will never have problem once crown Reza Pahlavi takes the office. We live in peace and harmony with all of our neighbores including state of Israel. Everything will go back to normal once crown Reza Pahlavi takes the office. Happiness will come back to our country. Israel is the best allien of Iranian people to overthrow stinky ruling mullahs. Once our king, Cyrus the Great helped jews and now it is their time to return the favor and help us to sent Islamic bastards to the dumpster of history.

   We just don't like arabs because they invaded Iran 1400 years ago under Omar and 22 years ago under Saddam. In both incidents they killed many of our people. Payandeh Iran

              GOAL : RESTORING MONARCHY

Amir Jan

I like many arguments that you are making on this blog..

NATO = The Christian Crusaders      oh well .....  

BY the way did you know It was Menachem Begin who came up with the vision for the present-day Christian Zionist movement?  

EU vs USA FYI.

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_...

It is, rather, that US growth, unlike that in the EU, is funded by a dangerously high mountain of foreign debt, the entire National Defense/Military is on borrowed Money over $600 Billion/year.
US external indebtedness, in turn, is driven by the US house-price
bubble, enabling US consumers to spend more than they earn. Ironically,
it is the EU which, together with China and Japan, continues to lend the
money to the US which keeps their households spending and their economy
growing.

EU overtook USA in early 2000's and the gap is getting wider, 5 to 10 years time the USA will not be able stand up to EU.

New Phrases

UN = The International Apartheid System

UN Security Council = The Terrorist Council

NATO = The Christian Crusaders

TURKEY = Never Participating Token Middle Eastern Ally.

The Nobel Peace Prize = Mass Murderer Trophy

The Muslim Brotherhood - The USA/UK Government Employee's

IR - Islamic Rapist 

Number one EU??

You got to be kidding me EU is the number one disaster right now. American dollar is stable partially thanks to how badly Europe is run. In the long run all of the West is in a steady decline. But still is #1 power for decades.

Regarding USA you talk about all who ds not hate USA as "pro USA". But there are many difference between people. I do not hate America nor do I glorify it. I am a pragmatist who views the real world and tries to deal with it the best possible.

VPK Patriotism is no trick

VF and IRI are likey the worst vatan foroosh ever period in 7,000 years history.  At least you clarified later on why you see usa as an essential ally, if the US policy changes then yes its beneficial, however only if the USA is on a sure footing, otherwise the EU will be the #1 power in the next few years and we need to look at that carefully. Right now the US policy though not stated by the USA is aimed at breaking Iran up and destroying it if it is really serious about starting a war with the mullahs, if that changes I will be less judgemental of peoples values and supporting USA.  I never said I was the authority on patriotism, just a pro US policy while we are in the midst of being raped by her IRI goons makes me think.

Regarding NPT

It has been so badly violated by it is not really worth going into. The deal was nuclear states had to disarm. That has been violated by all of the big nuclear powers. 

As I said before this is about power and IRI having alienated too many people. I wish America would come out and say the truth. Otherwise we are going to have this stupid NPT discussion for years to come.

Yes I realize the masses are being fed BS but at least we may drop the pretense. Nothing is done based on obligations or rights. It is done based on who is bigger and who bribes whom.

BAVAFA, You Coined a True Phrase.

"The International Apartheid System"

Question to Viewers,  How many of You feel the USA is on the Side of Freedom, Democracy, Human Rights and Justice For Iran??????????

Amirparviz

I don't need you to approve of my patriotism.  Trick of using patriotism to get support of Iranians by IRI is well known.

Regarding USA I do not claim to be privy to every action it makes. Therefore I make observations based on facts. And make my guesses clear. For example I know USA policy changes as it did towards Shah from 1953 to 1979. In 25 years USA went from Ajax to Khomeini. IRI has been in power for over 30 years. It is only reasonable for USA policy to have changed in this time. Specially given the nature of IRI.

One other thing. You tend to claim your opinions as facts. That is one reason your posts have lost credibility with me. You might want to stop talking down to and lecturing people. I hope you do not represent Monarchists. If you do forget about RP.

Mehrdad

Two differences:

Britain obviously decided Nazi were not the right ones to be friends with. I do not consider USA to be similar to Nazi and think it worth a try.

Britain had a lot of power to begin with unlike Iran. It also made very powerful friends I mentioned. Not stupidly go against Germans by itself. IRI is doing that by going against the combined West on its own.

Fesenjoon

Open Question?

Who here thinks that by making sure Iranans are enlightened regarding US/UK/French/Israeli Policy for the Africanization of Iran by using Religous extremists and supporting them in coming to power that I am supporting the IRI?  If your answer is yes and you think this supports IRI, then what are you missing from my communication that does not make it clear that what I am saying is that Iranians goal should be to oppose the plans of the west and focus on ridding Iran of extremist Anti-secular forces in power in Iran in order to save her from Africanization? 

VPK: I have my doubts regarding your patriotism towards Iran, not that you think I support mullahs and question me, that is healthy and gives me a chance to make myself clear.  You come across as distinctly a pro USA nowkar type, for lack of a better word since your pro US stance is not based on iranian freedom by over looking US agenda,  this is not helping to enlighten Iranians towards past and present US manipulations, but to conceal this information/shoot the messenger.  My suggestion is you help clarify US manipulations not conceal them.  At a time when Iran needs pro-Iranian individuals and Iranians are being run by US supported vatan foroosh Akhoonds, the last thing Iranians need is an entire Iranian society acting based on their ideas from the main stream media serving US interests at the expense of Iran, this created 1979. 

My wish is that enough Iranians form their opinions based on having as much of the true information as possible so they are not so easily manipulated by the west.  As for Russia, today they have shown that they covet all of Irans resources as their own and betrayed Iranians in their hour of weakness as a result of western domination policies, so forgetting the past today I would add russia to the list even though it opposes west it is acting against Iran also.  I never said lets kiss up to russians.  Eventually if Iranians succeed at establishing a secular democracy, then just because the west opposed this, it does not mean that secular-democratic Iranians won't end up working with the USA as an ally again, it means today we will not give up our wish for a secular democracy to please the US agenda.   IF We see that in the future the USA puts itself on the winning side of history, then the usawill become even more powerful and we should all want to have a close relationship with the USA.  For today however without yet accomplishing Iranian freedom I say, The USA can have Sharia law for Americans, if she likes it so much as for Iranians, we say no thanks to the USA on sharia.  Next I say allying yourself with the most powerful just because they are the most powerful is the wrong decision, you need to focus on who's future is the brightest and will be the most powerful more.  Right now the USA is totally on the wrong track from the stand point of its own national security.  It spends around $650 billion per year on its military on loan from its banks, it has the highest developed nation poverty rate at the moment and this is projected to increase over the next 10 years, it is incapable of fixing its broken and unaffordable healthcare system and the EU 27 nations have over taken the USA in terms of size of economy, we can all see the righting on the wall for the USA, though no one says it.  The USA supporting religous extremists to dominate iran was a foolish and unsustainable policy for the USA, the Europeans benefitted from it more than the USA and in the next 5 years the USA won't even be as competitive as the EU.  All this as the deficit grows and growth is unlikely to come back for an unknown number of years.  Americas future right now is more uncertain now than it has been since ww2.  For now the chinese will cozy up to the USA, though in 5-10 years time they will betray the USA and be a head on competitor.  The US military advantage no matter how many laws the USA breaks will be able to save the USA from her political and economic headaches.  So the USA is going towards a major decline in the next few years relative to all other powers as a result of her own ingenious policies.  Think US government management think katrina.  Just preparing you for what is possibly coming on the horizon at this point regardless. 

Mehrdad

You have a point here, but the wild cards in this game are the influence of Israel in shaping the US foreign policy as well as bellowing of IRI (death to this and that) which creates the right environment for lobbying groups like AIPAC to be effective.