Might the Israeli's be planning an October Surprise?

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ayatoilet1
by ayatoilet1
02-Aug-2012
 

In 1980, while Jimmy Carter squirrled arround trying to get the U.S. embassy hostages released, the government in Israel quietly worked with Reagan's campaign staff to ship arms to Iran as part of a plan to get Reagan elected (an humiliate carter). Do you remember? Saddam Hussein invaded Iran on September 22nd, 1980; and on October 10th, George Bush (sr) secretly met Karroubi in Paris and worked out a deal to ship arms to Iran in exchange for the Mullahs holding the hostages through to after the Persidential elections on November 5th 1980!!?? Remember??

Well, for those that do not know, Mr. Netenyahu, (also known as Bibi - Current Israeli Prime Minister) is an MIT graduate, has a long and very close relationship with Mr. Romney. The Romney-Netanyahu relationship dates back to the 1980's, when the two were colleagues at the Boston Consulting Group - where they both worked (side-by-side).  But since Romney started his perpetual quest for the White House, he hasn't stopped mouthing Bibi's sound bites on borders and bombs, terrorism and Tehran.

It is Romney's role as Netahyahu's alter ego which explains Mitt's passing comment during the November 22nd CNN national security debate. When Romney said he wanted to "indict Ahmadinejad for violating the Geneva -- or the Genocide Convention," he was just awkwardly repeating an agenda Bibi has been pushing for years.

In January 2007, Romney joined Netanyahu among the speakers at the Herzliya Conference.  In his speech, he took a very hard line towards the regime in Tehran, announcing:

Diplomatic isolation should also include an indictment of Ahmadinejad for incitement to genocide under the Geneva Convention, excuse me the Genocide Convention...

Article III of the treaty establishes 'public incitement to commit genocide' is a punishable crime. Every signatory to this treaty shares an obligation to enforce it. So do human rights groups that care about international humanitarian law...

Former U.S. Ambassador John Bolton has been a forceful advocate for this effort, and he's joined by Alan Dershowitz. If these two can agree, there must be something to it.

In the fall of 2007, Romney took his case to the United Nations.  He not only demanded the General Secretary Ban-Ki-Moon "to revoke any invitation to President Ahmadinejad to address the General Assembly," but insisted that the UN prosecute the Iranian President for his 2006 boast that he would "wipe Israel off the map."  

But, the point of this blog is NOT to point out that there is a relationship between the two. There is. AND, it is NOT to remind everyone that this relationship goes counter to Mormon teachings and culture - because in fact Mormon's hate Jews (its all over their scripture).

The point I am making is that it is very possible that Israel could pre-emptively attack Iran in October (a month before the November Elections) and force Obama to have to make a decision on what to do. And if he is shown to be "weak" - it could tip the U.S. presidential election in Romney's favor.

We all know the Mullahs in Iran have had historic links with the religious right in the U.S. AND, we also know that the Obama adminstration keeps sending envoys to Israel to 'tame the beast' i.e. try to buy time 'till after the election for more decisive action on Iran. In the last month, alone we have had Hillary Clinton (US secretary of state) visit Israel, Leon Panetta (US secretary of defense) was just there. Earlier this year Tom Danilon (US National Security Director) was there, and he commented that the Israeli did not care what he said. "They had their plans and were going to stick to them". President Obama is actually planning a visit soon. The Democrats are really scared that something very significant is about to happen.

Netenyahu does NOT fundamentally trust the democrats, and neither in fact do the Democrats trust him. And given the relationship between Romney and Netenyahu, anything is possible.

All the signs are there for a major showdown between Israel and Iran. And if there is going to be one, why waste it? Netenyahu will surely use it to put his man in the Whitehouse, No? Lets wait and see. One thing is for sure the next three months will be a nail-biter!! Put on your seat-belts.

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Zorumbaa

JUST IGNORING YOU

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“So you put your comment ALL in bold, screw arround with the formating ...all to try to make what is basically a stupid point.”

You do need professional help.  I am ignoring your comments and end this disturbing waste of time here. Go to your pasture of lay crowd and mingle with the herd.


ayatoilet1

Zoorambaa - takiteezi, takiteezi, takiteezi ...

by ayatoilet1 on

Look, when someone has to scream to make a point, ussually that point is stupid or useless. So you put your comment ALL in bold, screw arround with the formating ...all to try to make what is basically a stupid point.

You've got to takiteezi, takiteezi, takiteezi - as Maz Jobrani would say! Don't get your knickers in a twist (as they say in Britain).

Look, its not just me making this point (in the blog). There are major characters in Israel, saying the same thing. People like Israel's former head of Intelligence (see the news article below). And you know, you have to ask yourself why are all these top figures from the U.S. doing visiting Israel with this degree of frequency? Its completely unprecedented.

I am not being paranoid, or consipiratorial. I am just providing viewers/readers with some analysis. It has value, and it has a following. We have over 500 readers in 3 days. That stands for something.

As for you, if you don't like it, don't read it. If you don't agree. Fine, we can agree to disagree. Its only analysis - a lay man's analysis for a lay crowd. If I worked someplace - where my analysis would be actionable, or where I would get paid for it - then fire me if I am wrong.  But for now, take it or leave it. And above all - takiteezi, takiteezi, takiteezi!!


Zorumbaa

Text Direction

by Zorumbaa on

I apologize to all readers, for some reason beyond my control the text direction could not be changed.


Zorumbaa

ZIYAAN, Conspiracy, Cow and Milk!

by Zorumbaa on

ayatoilet1, You are really hyped up and taking umbrage, posting the SAME THING THREE TIME, perhaps it shows your irascible demeanor.  I know it could be a simple tech glitch, BUT it also seems something is getting to you and that is GOOD. Now,  don’t get “paranoid!” I say GOOD and I do really mean it in a positive way and not in sarcasm. If I wanted to make fun, be sarcastic or else, I would be “in your face”, no hesitation, no gimmicks! I also clearly realize WHY you CANNOT MAKE SENSE AND UNDRESTAND what I write?!

 Intelligent and substantive discourses about serious issues need NOT to impugn the challenger/respondent  intellect, critical thinking and ability to write properly in order to “make a point”.  As I mentioned in my other post this is high school style “argument” somewhere in the sandbox!  What I like to remind you of is the story of گاو نه من شیر ده.   Now, please don’t get peppered-up again, ok?  I am NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU AS A PERSON, why ? Because I DON’T KNOW YOU, simple!

So what is the moral of this story?  Some of what you (I think) trying to say I basically agree with—thing about Iran in general, present condition,  IRR, what Aakhoonds are doing to Iran, etc. I am also NOT questioning  your Patriotism either, only you know it is real or political. Now getting back to the Cow and milk, your logorrhea  and propensity to  connect everything from A to Z and in between together and going circular with much equivocation is well known to those who like to notice these things.  What you use as a base for argument is most of the time weird, turbid, and part of confabulations  of the conspirasists  from whom  we have heard and learned about cabals, Free Masons, Trilateral Commission, One World Government. The Secret Government (US) under some mountains in West Virginia!  UN Black Helicopters, Zionist and “Old Fox” , colonialists, and imperialists. The list goes on. These lovers of conspiracy  theories and collusion stories  breath them and live by them.  It is a good selling commodity with its own market!

When you go through this convoluted mixed of everything and nothing, then IF there are some CLEARLY VALID POINTS in your argument it will be lost, by circling around and around, parrying,  you lose your credibility and valid points goes off the screen.  To forfend your valid portions of your argument don’t be like that imaginary cow—give milk (the good stuff) and then as a fatuous being kick the bucket milk (your inscrutable theories.)  Milk is GONE, but the kick is REMBERED! I understand one of the most insulting things to say to an Iranian (not all) is that you need to learn more and educate yourself.  I hope this does not bombast you again to post another several response telling me HOW MUCH I REALLY DON”T KNOW!?  

BTW, I really took more than two minutes that you asked but didn’t see anything about the ZIYAAN stuff, are you Ok with my assessment?!  Was I correct about Paranoia question?

 

 

 


Esfand Aashena

Carter's fate was tied/doomed to release of hostages.

by Esfand Aashena on

It was NO surprise, much less an October surprise, that Carter's fate in the election was tied to the release of the hostages.  It was all over the news and I was here back then and you couldn't miss it.  I don't need/want to read a book by Gary Sick for political posturing.

Once Carter ordered the rescue and it failed and helicopters crashed in Tabas it boasted and hardened Khomeini's position to the point that he said US can't do squat!  Furthermore, Carter was the target because he harbored Shah and Khomeini wanted him gone.  All Khomeini had to do was to wait until the election day was over and then release them.

Now is that so hard to do?  Did Khomeini need Israeli intervention?  It was as easy as taking revenge this way.  There was NOTHING Israelis could do to help or deny Carter his second term, one way or another.  Basically Khomeini had Carter's jewels in his hand!

Now you can say all you want about all kinds of stuff but things are not that complicated.  In this case an Iranian armed conflict (Israeli attack or not) will only help Obama's position and assure him his second term because he'll order few drone attacks and other stuff and look strong!  Anytime from now until November 6th!

As for Israeli themselves if they attack, they will not lose face in US but will be the pariah in the world including Europe and elsewhere.  Other parts of the world do not show or put Israel on their news every day.  A first strike by Israel is not in the cards but if it happens, so be it, it is no October surprise to deny Obama his second term.

All I can say is take it easy! 

Everything is sacred


ayatoilet1

Zorumbaa ...take two minutes ...

by ayatoilet1 on

Take two minutes...deep breath; and then read what you are writing! Its so incoherent, I could not make any sense of it. At least people can read my writing.

Agree with it, disagree with it, laugh at it, cry about it! It really doesn't matter. What matters is the "hell" that they plan for Iran and Iranians. If Iranians things could not get worse than the Islamic Regime, they need to hold tight for an even greater hell!! Its not just that there will be vast devastation, but Iran will get cut up and all kinds of characters such as PMOI/NCRI/MEK/MKO/MONKEYS like Rajavi will  rear their ugly heads.

Oh and by the way, I am chill brother. Just trying to read the tea leaves.


ayatoilet1

Zorumbaa ...take two minutes ...

by ayatoilet1 on

Take two minutes...deep breath; and then read what you are writing! Its so incoherent, I could not make any sense of it. At least people can read my writing.

Agree with it, disagree with it, laugh at it, cry about it! It really doesn't matter. What matters is the "hell" that they plan for Iran and Iranians. If Iranians things could not get worse than the Islamic Regime, they need to hold tight for an even greater hell!! Its not just that there will be vast devastation, but Iran will get cut up and all kinds of characters such as PMOI/NCRI/MEK/MKO/MONKEYS like Rajavi will  rear their ugly heads.

Oh and by the way, I am chill brother. Just trying to read the tea leaves.


ayatoilet1

Zorumbaa ...take two minutes ...

by ayatoilet1 on

Take two minutes...deep breath; and then read what you are writing! Its so incoherent, I could not make any sense of it. At least people can read my writing.

Agree with it, disagree with it, laugh at it, cry about it! It really doesn't matter. What matters is the "hell" that they plan for Iran and Iranians. If Iranians things could not get worse than the Islamic Regime, they need to hold tight for an even greater hell!! Its not just that there will be vast devastation, but Iran will get cut up and all kinds of characters such as PMOI/NCRI/MEK/MKO/MONKEYS like Rajavi will  rear their ugly heads.

Oh and by the way, I am chill brother. Just trying to read the tea leaves.


Zorumbaa

Sensationalism, hysteria, and the color of ZIYAAN!!

by Zorumbaa on

ayatoilet1, this kind of  high  schoolish s tid-for-tad is just getting ridicules. What is it with you? Are you really that self-conscious  and paranoid? I AM COMMENTING ON A ZIYAAN, ITS NOT SO COMMON COLOR, THERE IS AN EXPRESSION AROUND HERE THAT SAYS  some version of “IN YOUR FACE” SO I AM USING IT IS REFERENCE TO A CAR, A CAR NOT YOU! You do have problems it seems, have you heard people talking  something on “FACE VALU”?  Why you can’t and HAD TO COONECT the COMMENT to YOURSELF, Ya he is( ME) in this SECRET MESSAGE is saying ZIAAN, BUT HE REALLY IS TALKING ABOUTME (YOU) .  

Grow up man, get some help if needed---ZIYAAN The color of ZIYAAN WAS NOT, again, WAS NOT MEANT TO BE IN YOUR FACE. If that was the intent , I would be the first one to tell you that it was. You are entitled to you opinion and everyone’s  opinion and even ridiculous points of view ought to be respected. Why you get so pepper-upped  and jittery when someone disagrees?  ”Go show it to them while you are at it”, “you go and tell them yourself” “tell this to Israelis and Romney’ camp” or “while I am at it share it with people living near Natanz.” What are YOU TELLING people living near Natanz? Daisy Cutters and stealth Bombers with 5 tons bombs WILL BE falling on their heads on October ???, 2012. You must have the date why not announce it?

This is high school sandbox style sophomoric talk, rudimentary and shallow. I am NOT TALKING to any one of these people and entities, I am ONLY  addressing your public comments and by extension you, not Romney or Natanzi’s.. I don’t want to tell them anything or ask them anything and frankly don’t need your approval or permission. I am commenting on an IDEA/Position, posted at Iranian/com which I believe at this time has no serious basis, it is sensationalism, and boarder line hysteria. Israeli and people following this line has been attacking Iranian nuclear facilities since early 1980s, particularly these attached WAS SUPPOSE TO TAKE ANY DAY ANY MOMENT IN THE PAST FIVE –that is five – years. Who knows it may someday happen?!! Please drink some cool-aid and chill out.  


Rea

In 2 yrs

by Rea on

..... that I've been following I.com, have read quite a few blogs discussing the "imminent" Israeli' attack. Used to take it seriously. Less n less now.


IRANLOVESISRAEL

Yes, there will a September surprise!

by IRANLOVESISRAEL on

It will come from Noth and South and West and East, it's like a 4-sided gazzanbor!

Shlomo likes to surprise from both front and back! 


ayatoilet1

Zorumbaa .... Ziyann in my face?

by ayatoilet1 on

Tell all this to the Israelis. Share it with Romney's camp too while you are at it. The hysteria and paranoia is all over their media and spouted daily by their politicians. Oh and while you are at it share it with the people living near Natanz or Fardoos - who will be looking at the sky one day and see one of these massive bunker busters (that US just gave Israel) coming down towards them.

I am sure these bunker busters were handed to Israel so they could put it up in the Museum of Modern Art in Tel Aviv and have people look at them - next to Picasso.


ayatoilet1

Esfand, I suggest you read a few books by Gary Sick...

by ayatoilet1 on

Gary Sick was in the national security comittee during the Carter administratoin and is currently a professor at Columbia University. He describes in detail what the 1980 October Surprise was all about. And it had nothing to do with sexual relations or cheating on taxes.... it had everything to do with Reagan's camp scheming with the Mullahs (and the Israelis) to bring Jimmy Carter down.

The obsession my friend is with the Israelis - NOT Iranians. They are the ones who make daily threats of attack. Run a Google news search and you will see that there is not a single day when Israeli politicians don't make a threat of attack. Sooner or later, someone has to take them seriously.

And like I said, an attack on Iran is too much for Netenyahu to waste. Why not use it to bring Obama down too.


Zorumbaa

Hysteria, Paranoia and constructing all kinds of colorful cabal

by Zorumbaa on

Good point Esfand Ashena, more common sense and less hysteria and paranoia  and constructing all kinds of colorful cabals may help and be more constructive. The rest  is simply rhetoric  and hot air. BTW, I like that Ziyaan, the color is in your face too!  

 


Cost-of-Progress

I got a better one

by Cost-of-Progress on

The Israelis are working with space aliens to shoot mullas from orbit. Kinda sorta like the Star Wars Program, but much more advanced. They're aliens you know, they got technology.


Esfand Aashena

Utter nonsense!

by Esfand Aashena on

If Israel attacks Iran in October AND Iran retaliates, Obama cannot order few missile attacks to take him from October to November?!  One month!  The election will be over before Romney can say I!

October surprise is used when an opponent uses a secret against his opponent, usually comes in forms of evidence of prior sexual relations or cheating taxes or sexual harrasements or smoking drugs and such.

This obsession with an Israeli attack on Iran and the war scenarios are making people twitch all the time!   

Everything is sacred


Azarbanoo

Sounds very Scary for Akhoonds & Thugs

by Azarbanoo on

As well as for Obama.