ayatoilet1

I hope, too

Here is the site:

//www.prisonplanet.com/libyan-draft-constitution-sharia-is-%E2%80%98principal-source-of-legislation%E2%80%99.html

The same thing in French and Italian is all over the place.

Hope it's only Gadafi propaganda. Frankly, lost, still trying to make sense of it.

Guys I hope you all remember your kudo and congratulations

Once the rebels start fighting each other and starting a civil war for who will be in charge after the
Gaddafi regime falls, I hope the light turns on for you.

The US unstated goal is to establish a coming civil war in Libya, which it with Nato has financed. So far they have trained a number of people/terrorists who will be killing one another.

The USA is not exactly after supporting good people who want democracy and freedom and Macdonald’s like Reza Pahlavi, their goal is the Africanization and obliteration of oil producing countries.  They don't care if Libya doesn't produce oil for 5 to 10 years, so long as it is sent back to the dark ages.

I hope you remember your comments on this site if my hallucination is right.

Rea - I had no idea?!!

Can you give me the source? I really hope its not true.

One extra thought

If this is what the TNC are proposing in their draft constitutional charter:

Article (1):  "Islam is the religion of the State and the principal source of legislation is Islamic jurisprudence (Sharia).", then, hélas, it's far from over.

PS. checked the French translation, it says the same.

Hey, Bush the D**che, The Meanest, Ugliest was not

Saddam, it is the Mullahs in Iran. You are so wrong, and that is exactly why Bush the D**che screwed up. He should have taken Iran out first...then Iranians would have 'liberated' Iraq, Afghanistan etc.

As it is today, Iraq has become a client state of Iran's Mullahs, and Afghanistan is not too far behind. As Robert Baer rightly says, US has turned Iran into a regional super power.

And the transitions to democracy taking place under Obama, are now in Libya, Egypt, Tunisia, and Yemen ...over 150 Million Arabs. The population of Iraq is something like 15 Million. Americans spent a Trillion dollars "liberating" 15 Million Iraqis! They should have just come in and told them we'll give you all 1 million dollars each...and they would have all put down their arms and kissed Bush. Iraq is/was a joke. Taking Saddam out was a good idea, HOW the US did it was a travesty. It could NOT have been done in a worse way - than Bush's adminstration did. THere was nothing wise about Bush and his administration. Bush turned me of Republicans for life...and I am very 'centered' politically.

One thought about Libya today

Dear Ayat and others, thank you all for your great points and discussion on this historic day.  I have but one thought on this day:

Congratulations to the Libyan People On Your Freedom

When a nation decides to be free, nothing can stop it.  We Iranians have much to learn from this.  The day we as a nation decide that reform is over, that the regime must go, and we commit ourselves to it, we will be all willing to pay the price, to unite, and to win our freedom. The anti Iran regime in Tehran will not give up easily, the last thing they care for is our country, since they have none.

There is no easy way. And on the road to freedom, there cannot be compromise.  Our people will win our freedom, and the anti Iranian mullahs will be wipe off the face of the earth.

IRANI MEEMIRAD 

ZELLAT NEMIPAZIRAD

Obama the Liberator? ? PresGW Bush did the Heavy Lifting !

dear Ayatoilet1,

        O-Bambi's whacking of tiny little Libya hardly compares to the challenges  of removing Saddam ..Obamaphiles will cheer for Obama's Nobel Prize, and award him a  Gold Metal for bench pressing 10 kilos.

In this bar room brawl, Bush wisely took out the biggest,meanest,ugliest bastard first.Obama had to be forced to take on a pipsqueak.

  Its a policy of

  Its a policy of public enmity and private amity with Iran's regime. They "believe" they have fooled everyone, but in politics you have to look at actions not rhetoric to know who is alligned with who. Iran was a partner in the Afghan invasion, Iran is Iraq's largest trading partner (despite something like 100,000 American soldiers there today)...I could go on and on. And we all know sanctions have not HURT the regime.  When I say, the West, I want to be clear, it is possible that the US is dealing with Iran indirectly through proxies - like Britain that have maintained direct diplomatic relations unhindered for 30+ years.  Meanwhile the Brits have made out like Bandits, and also set up their former colony Dubai as a sattelite British trading post milking Iran. Its a stupid game, and meanwhile the only ones f++ed are us ... ordinary Iranians.

I have been saying that for the past two years. America has become the stooge of both Britain and Israel without even realizing it... I just hope Iranians inside Iran especially the relgious zealots start to put two and two together and find out who the real bosses are, namely the Brits.

"Whenever a separation is made between liberty and justice, neither, in my opinion, is safe." Robert Browning in 'Ceuciaja'

Vildemouse - Read This ...

//iranian.com/main/blog/ayatoilet1/there-satan-and-even-greater-satan

Vildemouse - Its complicated, but the simple answer is

No.

The current plan is to have Iran besieged and isolated so the West, notably Britain, can extract Iranian oil from the Caspian Sea (and pipe it through Azerbaijan) unhindered, despite a 200 year old agreement that makes 50%of the Caspian Iranian; and also now in Iraq...although BP has announced a pipeline through Iran near Basra.

My own opinion is that the Brits have deep influence inside Iran; and want Iran in the shape its in for their current benefit. Without Azeri and Iraqi Oil, Britain that derives 25%+ of its national income from Oil would be finished economically...especially now that North Sea oil has finished.

Although there is a lot of rhetoric, and official sanctions vis a vis Iran; its a stupid political game that the West is playing. Its a policy of public enmity and private amity with Iran's regime. They "believe" they have fooled everyone, but in politics you have to look at actions not rhetoric to know who is alligned with who. Iran was a partner in the Afghan invasion, Iran is Iraq's largest trading partner (despite something like 100,000 American soldiers there today)...I could go on and on. And we all know sanctions have not HURT the regime.  When I say, the West, I want to be clear, it is possible that the US is dealing with Iran indirectly through proxies - like Britain that have maintained direct diplomatic relations unhindered for 30+ years.  Meanwhile the Brits have made out like Bandits, and also set up their former colony Dubai as a sattelite British trading post milking Iran. Its a stupid game, and meanwhile the only ones f++ed are us ... ordinary Iranians.

That's just my humble opinion....I do not have any more insight into this than you do. Lets see how the situation in Libya plays out.... Italians announced today they are resuming oil field operations there!!!

 Ayatoilet: Thank for the

 Ayatoilet: Thank for the clarification. Do you consider IRI as Independent??

"Whenever a separation is made between liberty and justice, neither, in my opinion, is safe." Robert Browning in 'Ceuciaja'

Dear RB

I just wished Nato would care about other countries who are facing even more sever situations. Unfortunately Nato is nothing but an especial interest group. 

Having said that,  I should also say that I agree with points you are making.   

: ) 

Vildemose, Consider this

Libya's oil was exploited by a combination of companies from Italy, Germany and France. Does that give you a clue whether they were actually closer to Russia or the West?  Also, the largest oil service companies there are Schlumberger and Haliburton (both primarily US based, although Schlumberger is always very keen to state that it is technically registered in the Dutch Antiles)...but quoted on the NYSE, and Head Quartered on Park Avenue in New York.

Red Wine, Nazareh Shoma Kamelan Dorost Ast

Bandeb "keyboard-e- farsi" nadaram, va ba ejazeyeh shoma niz be horoofe englisy javab midam.

Harfayeh shoma ra kamelan takid mikonam, vali be har hal man fekr mikonam ke vazeyate Libi ba hamsayehash kamelan avaz khahad shod va ba in enghelab emkanate tazeyi baraye hamkari ba hamsayehashoon pish miyad ke ghabele nazare regimeh ghabli nabood.

 RG: Love the video clip

 RG: Love the video clip and the song. Tthanks.

نامت ای بسیجی ننگ کشور ماست/ظلمت وجودت شرم ملت ماست/بر شما خجالت باد.

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwiHT0fwzZk

"Whenever a separation is made between liberty and justice, neither, in my opinion, is safe." Robert Browning in 'Ceuciaja'

Our road to freedom for Iran...

Passes through Tripoli and Damescus and is paved with the dead bodies of these...

Long live the solidarity of people of Middle east in their struggle for Peace, Secularism and Social Justice.

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Vive Sarkozy!

Behind every voosy French leader is a beautiful and surprised French woman!

Carla Bruni, You Go Girl!

 And lets hope and wish

 And lets hope and wish that IRI will go with less blood and that the new system/goverment is by Iranian people for Iranian people.

I truly hope so but all the signs are against that possibility. I think the showdown between Khameni and Ahmadinejad in and of itself might spark a civil war. Ahmadinejad and his faction are not going to easily let go of all the wealth and power they have amassed and Ahmadinejad is determined to get rid of the clergies at any price.

"Whenever a separation is made between liberty and justice, neither, in my opinion, is safe." Robert Browning in 'Ceuciaja'

SK jaan

I understand the points you are making and don't disagree with your humanitarian sentiments at all. On the contrary, I support them.

There isn't much doubt that the West, NATO etc often do things purely in their own self-interests and regardless of who gets hurt in the process. Let's all remember the hypocrisy of the West in cosying up to Ghaddafi over the past few years, after he gave up his nuke plans, until the Libyan people turned against the despot.

However, occasionally the West/NATO can get it right and although they are obviously on the side of the rebels here, the fact we might not like bombing as an inherent act (which can inflict severe collateral damage), that doesn't automatically make it illegal; not with a UN resolution behind it, which NATO by and large has stuck by.

Like I said earlier, if we don't regard the UN approval as providing legal umbrella for international interventions, then what do regard as legal?

Nato is not playing by the rules ...

Dear RB, I have no doubt that you are more intelligent than buying into these stuff. 

Besides let us not forget that Lybia was on the UN's Human Rights committee, not too long ago, prior to this so called  Nato approved attack.

Think about the innocents who are loosing or lost their lives not only by the Egomaniac figures such as Saddam or Gadhafi but also by the Deceitful superpowers who are doing it in the name of Democracy .... 

Just see how media are going nuts over this since last night, while they were dead and totally a flat liner for the past couple of months to the point that we all had forgotten that there was actually a war going on in that country.

Great blog, and great comments by Maryam and cousin Faramarz

I could not have said this better myself

"like Gadhafi, like the Shah …fighting proxy wars on their behalf, placing billion in western bank accounts does not in the end provide you with guarantees of power for life"

And lets hope and wish that IRI will go with less blood and that the new system/goverment is by Iranian people for Iranian people.

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

Soosan Khanoom

Of course not! These three are front and center right now.

The same way that the Eastern Block was librated one country after another, Middle East and Africa will go through the same process. 

We may not like what is going on in Romania, Bosnia or Albania today, but they are not torturing people for their beliefs anymore.

SK jaan

The NATO airstrikes on Libya have been approved by the UN.

So what is your definition of "illegal" in this context? What other legal framework could you be refering to?

Faramarz

Are there only these three countries in the world that meet your criteria?

Battle for

 //news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/22/live-blog-battle-for-libya-gadhafi-stronghold-under-assault/?iref=BN1&hpt=hp_t1

"Whenever a separation is made between liberty and justice, neither, in my opinion, is safe." Robert Browning in 'Ceuciaja'

Aytoilet jan: Are you sure

Aytoilet jan: Are you sure Quadafi was a puppet of the West??

"Whenever a separation is made between liberty and justice, neither, in my opinion, is safe." Robert Browning in 'Ceuciaja'

Turn Out the Lights, the Party is Over!

Soosan Khanoom,

The illegal attacks were carried out by Gaddafi on Libyan people, by Assad on Syrian people and by the Regime on Iranians. When illegitimate regimes use tanks, gunboats, scud missiles and warplanes against their citizens, the international community has to step in and help. If a gang comes to your door and wants to harm you, wouldn’t cry for help and do you care if the person that can help you is black or white?

Self defense and self preservation are the most basic of human instincts and if you are threatened, you have every right to defend yourself by any means.

One down, two more to go!

Thanks Ayatoil for the blog and Red Wine for the clarification on the racial identity of North Africans.

Illegal Attacks !!

To hate someone does not justify illegal attacks on a country .... 

There is no difference between what Obama did in Libya with what Bush did in Iraq ... the only difference is that Media in the case of Lybia shut their mouths and since we. as people. are listening to what media is feeding us we think there is a difference .....  also Nato took more leading role here, but who are we kidding ?  

Having said that, By no means I support dictators such as Gadhafi and I hope after the Nato's bloody show things actually are going to turn out to be in the favor of the poor nation of libya ..... But, with the sick nature of the new world order and new age colonization I doubt it ...  

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سلام به شما . . .

ما معمولاً مطالبِ  انگلیسی زبان را نمیخوانیم مگر اینکه نویسنده از دوستان باشد و نوشته گیرا،اما نوشته شما توّجهِ  ما را جلب کرد،مسائلِ  بسیاری هست که دلمان می‌‌خواهد که درینجا بدانها اشاره کنیم (بنا بر تجربه شخصی‌،آشنائی با زبان و قومّیت پس از ۱۲ سال سفرهایِ  متعّدد و کارِ  تلویزیونی) اما تنها یک نکته را یاد آور می‌‌شویم .

تنها نزدیکِ  به ۲۰% جمعیتِ  شمالِ  آفریقا را اَعراب تشکیل می‌‌دهند (که بیش از نیمی از آنها در سرزمینِ  مصر و سودان زندگی‌ میکنند)،بقیه از خلق و طایفه بِربِر و طَوارق و قبایلِ  دگر (باور بفرمایید که بیش از ۴۰۰ قبیله‌ مختلف فقط در سرزمینهایِ  اَلجزایر و لیبی‌ زندگی‌ می‌‌کنند که به هیچ عنوان عربی‌ تکّلم نکرده جز برایِ  اجرایِ  مناسکِ و مراسمِ  اسلامی !) هستند که به هیچ وجهی خود را نه عرب می‌‌دانند و نه قِسمی از سیاستِ  کشور‌هایِ  عرب ! (فراموش نکنیم که بربر‌ها و طوارق،از مراکش گیر تا به سرحدّاتِ مالی‌،از آخرین مردمانی بودند که به ناچار دین اسلام را پذیرفتند!) (آری،به زبانِ  عربی‌ نیز متکّلمند اما بسیار متفاوت و عربی‌ِ  لبنانی،خلیجِ  پارس و عربی‌ِ  یَمنی !)

لیگ عرب ،سازمانِ  همکاریِ  بینِ  کشور‌هایِ  عربی‌ و دیگر گروه‌هایِ  مشابه هیچ گاه سودمند برایِ  این مللِ  درد کشیده نبوده اند، تنها به فکر خویشند و به فکرِ  تعطیلاتِ  خود در بنادرِ  زیبایِ  تونس تا به هَماّما و کازابلانکا ... اینها (بیشتر سعودی‌ها و حال قطریها نیز بدین گروه پیوسته اند) وحشت و ترسشان به خاطرِ  تشکیلِ  قدرتِ  اسلامی است،چون بیش از ۴۰ سال است (بیشتر لیبی‌ و بعد مصر و ...) که مردمانِ  این کشورها به زیرِ  زور و استبداد روزیِ  اندک خوردند (نمی‌ توانید تصور بفرمایید که چقدر نژاد پرستی‌ در این مناطق حکمفرما بوده است به خاطر جورِ  سَرانِ  دیکتاتوری مثلِ  مبارک و قضاییِ  مَلعون،نه می‌‌گذاشتند که به زبانِ  خودشان به راحتی‌ سخن گویند و نه سنّت و فرهنگِ  خودشان را به اجرا دَرارَند) و حال جریانات عوض شده است،اینها بیشتر ترجیح می‌‌دهند که با کشور‌های اروپایی به کار بِپردازند که رو به سعودی و قطری اندازند تا به یکِ  همکاریِ  جدّی دست پیدا کنند،تنها مملکتِ  سلطان نشینِ  شمالِ  آفریقا،مراکش نیز مشغولِ  رّدِ  اینجور همکاریها و دوستی‌‌ها است.حال وقتِ  اتحّادِ  این منطقه (شمالِ  آفریقا،به اضافه سرزمین سودان و مناطقِ  صحرا) است و این چیزی است که ما به کرّات آن را می‌شنویم و خدایِ  را شکر که آری..بارِ  دیگر حّق و عدالت به این مردم باز گردانیده می‌‌شود،خداوند بزرگ است .

از مطلب و بلاگِ  شما سپاسگزاریم.

Kudos to Obama /Clinton foreign policy ? Are You Kidding ? ...

Sarkozy,not Obama, led the way into war in Libya (Newsweek)

A Special Thanks to BHL ( Bernard Henri Levi ) for his Bold Intellectual Endorsement Too

Why Sarkozy Went to War - The Daily Beast

When all other ANN TELECTUALS, Left Wing Peaceniks, and "Citizens of the world" were shouting their heads off against a so called European Colonialist War and calling Sarkozy and Cameron as "Imperialists" of the 21st Century ...

All this with the endorsement of the Opportunistic Arab League, China, South Africa and the USSR who couldn't give a Shit about the Brave Libyans nor were ready to condemn Gaddafi's Mad Bloodshed but were all over the place to make a fuss about a few camels and horses on Tahrir Square and are now jumping at the throat of an old defenseless and dying Mubarak who bravely safeguarded the frontiers of Egypt and along with Sadat made Peace with Israel.

Where is that other Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Jimmy Carter to denounce this ?  

American Hypocrisy has no limits !