Farsinameh

Agreed, friendship pays

Yes, friendship pays, but a huge shift of mindset in Tehran is required first and foremost.

Why do you think NIAC is so important? LOBBYING MATTERS

AIPAC is the key for Israel's success. America gives money to lots of places and people. But the ones with lobbies who connect people to people are the ones who succeed. Look at AIPAC. Look at the countries who do not have an AIPAC. EGYPT is a good example. 

Support NIAC if you want Iran to grow and change. Shame on you all for cheaply labeling them. They are part of the solution.

wrong again Mr. Kia

Mr. Kia says: "With IRI, it is fight to the finish; only if you break them, they kneel!"

Mr. Kia, IRI will do anything to survive! In fact IRI was ready to negotiate in 2003! And IRI very likey would have recognized Israel explicitly or implicitly. However Mr. Bush and Chenney were not ready to get off their high horses then. How is you horse doing Mr. Kia?

The monoply!

Dear anonymous0009, the concept of terrorism is nowadays used as a propaganda tool by the American empire and its sidekicks (e.i. Israel, Britain...) to identifiy those who stand up to their hegemonic designs of the ME. Indeed, the colonial concept of governance only limits the use of violance as a ligitimate tool to one by a sovreign or protectorate entity whose rule is approved by the colonial powers. Hence the use of violancce and murder by an army is considererd a normal practice, whereas the same practice used by a colonized entity is branded as terrorism (e.g. the British treatment of IRA as opposed to that of the loyalist protestants).

By this definition -- to which many of Iranin-Americans subscribe, a colonized nation who is not recognised by Americans and British in particular, and the West in general, is not entitled to the right of self defence for their defence force does not fall in the category of an army! Hence, Israel has the right to drive tanks and into and fly helicopters over the West-bank and Ghaza's air space and fire rockets and drop bombs, yet any attempt by palestinians to retaliate will be considered terrorism!

Problems of negotiating with IRI

For some reason, we Iranians are not good in negotiation! Be it Reza Shah in WWII, Mosaddeg over oil and Shah over revolution, or Khomeini over anything. It is generally, our way or fight. We are the best (Aryans, Persians, Shia of Ali) and the rest of the world are lesser, unclean and guilty of everything that has ever happened on Earth!

Now IRI is even more "special", as it has never negotiated anything with anyone, meaningfully! American hostages, Kurdish uprising, BaniSadr and Mujahedin, Iran-Iraq war, gulf islands, chain of murders, human rights, nuclear program, etc. With IRI, it is fight to the finish; only if you break them, they kneel!

Arash M-K

some updates for you Mr. Kia

AMK says: "Only then should US or Israel even consider talking to Tehran."

Mr. Kia, it is not 2003 that Mr. Bush was victorious!?
U.S has two wars that even CNN calls unpopular wars! In one of those wars U.S and its allies are in such a terrible shape that they are talking about negotiating with Talibans! As for Israelis, they lost in Lebanon in 2006.
BTW, even many U.S politicians and military leaders have started talking about the need for unconditional direct talks with Iran, they even attended a meeting that Iranians were present .... are you more radical (Bush radical) that those guys!?

points

1. why is it that the Palestinians fighting Israelis is labeled terrorism? it is a war, so both sides are fighting, if it wasn't a war there wouldn't be peace treaties.

2. maybe Iran would stop sending arms to Palestine if America would stop arming Israel. Israel has enough weapons to wipe out ME or Europe of the map.

3. Zion you said something very interesting , you said that "Built on the suffering of Palestinians? It was also built on the ashes of millions of Jews, and the suffering of millions of others in Europe..." Emphasis on Ashes in EUROPE maybe Israel should move to i don't know GERMANY?

4. Historical Facts suggest that the Arab invaders did not forcibly convert people to Islam (MAJORITY) because it wasn't beneficial to them financially and socially. They even avoided living with the natives by building garrison cities and prohibiting professions that require them to do so. To gain political control Iranians themselves convert to Islam and help overthrow omayyids.

5. we all come here and talk about how IRI is using religion as a reason terrorize, but lets not forget that that is what Israel is doing. Its either the race or the religion that the jews use themselves to be the "victims or the elites," in societies , if the jews stopped discriminating against everyone else based on their religion or race maybe more people would return the favor for them. and if you are using the excuse of WWII i don't see any other group of people who were similarly treated like crap complain the way the jews do. it's history, it has happened before, it is happening now, and it will happen again. Just because you are a jew it doesn't make you any different.

Solution? What solution?

Honestly, there is not much to look forward to in the coming years, but I have tried to paint a picture of the only viable 'solution' in the next blog.

//iranian.com/main/blog/arash-monzavi-kia/two-state-only-solution-not-much-it 

As for the role of Iran's government in this whole affair, if they dare or desire to do something constructive, it should be:

1. Stoppage to supply of arms to the Arab groups, until they fully suspend all terrorist attacks on Israel;

2. Recognition of the right of Israel to survive, as a sovereign nation;

3. Encouragement to their friendly Arab forces for peace negotiations in good faith;

4. Dropping the god-damn 'marg-bar-america' and 'marg-bar-israel' from their everyday 'takbeer', as a minimum gesture.

Only then should US or Israel even consider talking to Tehran. 

Arash M-K

Happy Thanksgiving Q

Its useless arguing with you and trying to talk sense to you. You keep trying to change the subject and bring your senseless approach and views to the argument. You are selective about the facts you choose to argue, facts you choose to respond to and you refuse to look at the big picture in order to make your hypocritical arguments. Its a fact that the PLO helped the IRI in the revolution, fact that the PLO helped Saddam and fought alongside Iraqis to kill Iranians a year later and a fact that the PLO represents Palestinian interest in the world. Its not politically convenient for you to acknowledge this so you try to minimize it and white wash it to serve your purposes (same as the IRI) with YEKDANDEH arguments and reasoning.

The funniest is that you try to play the insulted victim. If I was insulting you JJ would not publish my posts- you are well aware of that. If anything, it is you who are insulting our intelligence with these silly arguments just for the sake of arguing. Go make some booghlamoo.

The readers here are welcome to see classic Q here with his G20 argument:

//iranian.com/main/blog/q/iran-should-be-...

Q, I love you man! Happy Thanksgiving!

Mehdi, that's a cheap and disgusting tactic to blame the victim

"it's their own fault" ? They are being shot, starved, discriminated and their land is taken at will. But apparently it's their own fault. They are the ones pulling the trigger to kill their own children!!!

This is a perfect example of the blind "might makes right" ideology that young Zionists seem to have adopted. They are being stupid and short sighted. The Israeli leadership, even more so, for catering to them. They are robbing themselves out of any kind of peaceful reconciliation.

Q - The selective reasoning

Once again. The only  one whom you listen to, (and read from) is your own narrow path of reasoning.

Everyone else is trying to tell you that, yes the Pals are victims and have been suffering. Nonetheless, their sufferings are caused more by their own corrupt and dysfunctional leaders, then Israel or others do. It goes all the way back to 1948  and continues to present day. You don't seem to get it do you?.

Much like the famous comment made by the late Abba Eban back in the 1980's.

THE PALESTINIANS NEVER MISS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MISS AN OPPORTUNITY.

While the PLO in WB has somehow wised up, and chose the path of peaceful negotiations, over violence. Even to date leaders in Gaza are continuing with the same mistake, with their ill fated alliance with the wrong party in Tehran.

As Sunnis, they ignore other Sunni Arabs deep concern and distrust of the Akhoodah, antagonizing powerful and  cash rich Sunni brethren like Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, etc.

Soon or later, the regime in Iran WILL follow the footstep of Saddam, and will be removed from power. After which Hamas will face the same fate as PLO had after Saddam was removed. Face the wrath  of other 90% Muslims, and get punished..............yet again.

Fortunately their fanatic group has been isolated (no accident)  from the moderate PLO,  Today the pals are fragmented and divided within itself.

We are at the stage which I call "The Palestinian Fatigue". The rest of the Arab world have had enough with supporting the leaders of Hamas, just to see their favor come back and bite them in their rear.  Finally, states like S. Arabia, & Libya are  putting the interest of their own people ahead of the Hamas.

These Arab countries are realizing the true value of peace with Israel far beneficial to their own security and development of their emerging economies, then support and ungrateful leaders such as Hamas.. 

That is the very reason why we are seeing the peace negotiations  between Israel and the rest of the Arab-Islamic states - leaving the Pals in the dust to fend for themselves

How about direct talks with Israelis, Arash?

Arash, many wrongs have been done by all sides... but where do we go from here? More specifically what can we do as Iranians? I basically support the views of people such as Trita Parsi, ... in a nutshell I support direct and unconditional talks between IRI and Israel, and I believe we should speak louder and louder about this.
Don't get me wrong I don't advocate Iran let her guards down, I believe in putting the strongest deterrence in place and speaking with Israelis at the same time.

Whatever Fereshteh

Now I'm sure you're one of the stalkers who attack me under different names and I hope JJ can verify this. It's obvious because instead of making logical sense you go out of your way to make random personal attacks and associations: "your type", "revolutionary", "stuck in 79", "G20 argument". Anything but the subject at hand. It shows you are not interested in the discussion and are simply a character assassin.

Second, you apparently are unwilling or unable to read the full argument below. You say Palestinian "leadership" was aligned with Saddam so that makes Palestinians responsible for helping Saddam.

Besides the fact that you can show no numbers, you now raise the standard to say the people of any country are responsible for what their government (PLO was not even a "government") does. This means US and French people are "responsible" for Iranian deaths, overthrown Mossadegh.

That means YOU are responsible for anything IRI does or aligns itself with. By your own argument, an American could come into this blog and say to you: "Fereshteh, why should we care about anything you say, you took our hostages?"

I took the time to enumerate countless other "people" who had supported Saddam, including Iraqis themselves, to demonstrate the hypocrisy of this argument, and of course you pretended not to see any of it. How typical. I remember seeing your page in the dictionary under "Digging yourself a bigger hole".

It's a canard, just like I said.

Congratulations Arash, you made the most discussed list!

Q as usual is in Lala Land

Q Says:

"The number is important. Because if it was a few hundred people paid mercenaries over 8 years it's completely meaningless. If it was say 10,000 uniformed soldiers, we could rightly claim that Palestine was an outright participant in the war on the side of Iraq."

"Second, holding "Palestinians" in general responsible for what a very small number of them might have done under a different leadership, 20 years ago is laughable and reductionist."

Again Q, please stick to you G20 argument. It was funnier at least.

The fact remains that the Palestinian leadership supported Saddam regardless of "numbers". Don't try to minimize it by saying "a small number". The leadership represents the Palestinian people in the political arena. Especially in that time when the PLO was the major representative of Palestinians in world affairs. Funny how you did not mention the PLO or Arafat in your article once! This is the same Arafat that came to kiss Khomeini's Ass, as the first world leader to visit the IRI just 16 days after the revolution, and a year later was kissing Saddam's Ass when he was killing Iranians left and right. This is the only time Khomeini was caught smiling in his life on the camera. See picture:
//www.spectacle.org/0602/mafie.html

This issue was already covered by Iranian.com by Gassem Namazi. See:

//iranian.com/Opinion/2004/November/Arafa...

I never hear Mr. Q complain about how the Kuwaiti's massacared the Palestinians for their support of Saddam in 1991 and kicked out 400,000 of them because of Arafat's support for Saddam. The entire Palestinian population was punished because of a minority (the leadership of the PLO). The Palestinian PEOPLE officially apologized to the Kuwaitis because of what their leadership did. See:

//en.wikipedia.org wiki/Palestinian_Expulsion_from_Kuwait

Q, you are a master at this type of propaganda. Its not surprising because you are still a revolutionary. You are stuck in 1979 like Khamenei and Ahmadinejad are stuck there. That is why no meaningful progress has been made by Iranians in the area of political and economic progress in the past 30 years. We have leaders/rRevolutionaries stuck in 1979: Revolutionaries such as yourself. Revolutionaries without a cause!

One final point, this does not mean that we as people should hold ALL Palestinians responsible and that we should not care for their suffering. However, this type of political failures by their leadership explains why they are still suffering and partly explains why they don't have a state yet-Sad to say. This is the same type of leadership that explains Iranian failures under our current so called leaders. Its all about leadership Q. Your type can not lead.

The "Palestinians killed Iranians" canard

I have heard this several times and it's pure bullshit.

First, there is no real evidence that I can find that any significant number of Palestinians participated in the Iran-Iraq war. The number is important. Because if it was a few hundred people paid mercenaries over 8 years it's completely meaningless. If it was say 10,000 uniformed soldiers, we could rightly claim that Palestine was an outright participant in the war on the side of Iraq.

Pointing to propaganda alleging that this was about to happen by either side is of course no proof at all, the whole point of it is the psychological impact targeted at the weak-minded (and we see that this part worked perfectly!).

Hezbollah, for example, has for years been "signing up" suicide martyrdom recruits to "liberate Palestine", yet to date not a single Iranian has engaged in one. Not even have the Lebanese Hezbollah done any suicide bombings inside of Israel. So, propaganda and reality are two separate things.

Saddam Hussein's propaganda to finance his bloody war and position himself as a Nasser-like populist "leader" defending the Arab world of course relied heavily on such propaganda.

Second, holding "Palestinians" in general responsible for what a very small number of them might have done under a different leadership, 20 years ago is laughable and reductionist. That's like saying "Iranians" which includes the anti-Palestinians here on this board, are "responsible" for hostage takings and persecution of Bahais in Iran. It's like saying "Iranians" consider Maryam Rajavi their true elected President. A tiny number of people does not equal the whole or even a fair representation of the whole, be it Palestinian, Sudanese or even Saudi. This should be laughably self-evident.

Third and perhaps most importantly, this argument that Palestinians were "involved" on the side of Saddam assumes as its premise the notion that killing Iranians, or facilitating or helping those who do (like Saddam) is wrong and therefore those who do it (Palestinians) should be condemned for it, and they don't deserve our sympathy for other matters.

The first part is true. It is wrong, it was wrong to help Saddam Hussein or fight for him. However, if someone is truly concerned about who helped Saddam Hussein kill Iranians, a few Palestinian volunteers would have be pretty much last on the list of those responsible. The support of United States and the Soviet Union was far more responsible for infinitely more Iranian deaths than those of any Palestinian volunteers. The money and weapons given by US, Europe and Gulf Arab states was far more deadly to Iranians in much more grusome way. Those who bought Saddam Hussein advanced military toys are responsible for killing innocent civilians in Iran's population centers while any so-called Palestinian recruits are at best responsible for killing far fewer number of armed soldiers in the field of battle. There is no comparison.

Also very high on the list would have to be 1.2Million Iraqis themselves who made up Saddam's Army and did all the fighting. So, if we are blaming people in the Iran-Iraq war, those Iraqis should get much more blame than any Palestinian recruits.

This latter point finally illustrates the whole truth. These people are using the Iran-Iraq war as an excuse against Palestinians. If they were truly concerned with the Iran-Iraq war and who was responsible for how much of it, If they were truly concerned about the death of Iranians they would be busy spending their limited time attacking real supporters of the Saddam regime and real forces that enabled him and did the killing. Yet they are silent and don't seem to be bothered at all at the real perpetrators. US support was instrumental, Saudi's exported oil for Saddam. French and Egyptian fighter pilots flew missions into Iran. Chekoslovakia was funneling russian arms for Saddam. Why do we not hear about any of these people, all of whom were more responsible for "killing Iranians" than any Palestinians? Answer is simple: it's not about the killing of Iranians at all.

Any reasonable person would conclude that these commentators are simply hypocrites who have found a (rather laughable) excuse to argue against support or sympathy for Palestinians. Another line to add to their arsenal of lines full of "Why do you criticize Israel?" They truly don't care about who actually killed Iranians and that they are cheapening the memory of those Iranians who did give their lives just so they can score political points against people who dare show any sympathy for the poor Palestinians.

fozool123

First, I do not attack the people in Iran. They are just as victims of this despotic regime as other minorities - particularly the Young generation, which yearn for freedom and be what they are.

second. what makes you think that the name "Mehdi" is not a real name. Nonetheless, if you believe if some illusive and imaginary figure whom will come down and save  the world from injustice, then. He sure will start the clean up with the Akhoonda in Tehran. 

as far as "Mazloom". Oh don't get yourself worked up too much. ban-deh khail mazloom has-teem.

Use whatever s/n you want, see if others will care.

This zionist non-muslim, non-iranian character who calls himself

mehdi mazloom is abusing the most reveered name in Shia Islam. He attacks, insults, belittles Iranians and muslims. He has no right to use this name for his blog. I'm not religious but iranian.com should follow some kind of guide lines and decency. What if I use the name Moses and constantly insult jews? This zionist character is insulting other people's religion. Publish this comment.

Arash Monzavi-Kia

You wrote:

Yes, after the Arab-Israeli wars and radicalization of the
Islamic world many Jews have suffered in the Middle East countries, and
most have chosen to leave for Israel, Europe or US. But you realize
that the same people were living in relative peace among the Muslims
for centuries, compared to the vicious treatment that their brethrens
received in Europe, during the inquisition, pogroms and persecutions.

The difference between the atrocities committed by the Christians and Muslims against the Jews is that. Christians inflicted physical harm, while Muslim inflicted emotional and psychological one.

The entire system of dhimmi was designed for that purpose.

  Jews being outnumbered, and stripped of means to defend themselves, they were forced to live in "peace" in those Arab & Islamic states. Trst me, from personal experience I know all too well about that infamous "Kallimi".

If indeed Jews had lived in peace, why would they leave all their possession behind and escape with  only personal belongings out of their "peaceful" countries and immigrate to then a hellhole called Israel.?

Blaming someone else for their failures and shortcoming is a national pastime for many dysfunction regimes throughout the Arab-Islamic states. Looking backward is more important then forward. Stuck in the frozen lakes of 7th century mind set and cultural is what fundamentalist Arab & Islamic leaders know best.

It is safer and more popular to engage in intellectual masturbation,   drum bit the same old dead horse of the past Islamic glories. Then roll the sleeve and look forward to build a viable society.

As I have written many time before. Pals are not the  first ones, nor the last one whom were evicted from their home as result of tragic war. Just look how others moved on and found a new corner and built themselves a better lives that they had before.

If leaders of the Pals had mislead them into where they are now, why blame Israel for that. Israel is PART of the problem, but not the only soultion.

Who is afraid of jews? iranian.com is

How do I know? Because the dear editor of this website does not publish your responses. His understanding of nothing is sacres is: nothing is sacred as long as it does not offend jews. Jews can say belittle and humiliate Iranians but the response to their insults does not get published. This is iranian.com's version of free speech.

brand new Jewish state in

brand new Jewish state in the middle of Islamic world.

Islamists should have never wiped Christians and the Jews from the Middle East in the first place. What goes around, comes around. You reap for what you sow; even it takes centuries.

Iran/Iraq war, revolution, mujahedin/fedaiyan, 15 khordad all...

Jamshid - Iran's recent history has been as much affected by the Palestinian-Israel wars as the lungs of a non-smoker sharing a room with a Camel chain lighter.

Fedaiyan Islam (the original Hezbollah) raised volunteers right after 1948, to go and fight Israel. Khomeini's major propaganda tool against Shah in 15 Khordad was his ties to Israel. Mujahedin, Fedaiyan and even Dr. Chamran's group (the core of post-revolution Sepaheh Pasdaran) were all trained in the Palestinian camps in Lebenon.

After the revolution, of course there was a break up between Khomeini's Hezbollah and the Mujahedin. The former was allied with the Amal group of Lebenon, and the later with the PLO. Saddam was also a PLO supporter and ultimately established ties with the Mujahedin. Of course PLO helped Iraq during war, as Amal helped Iran.

However, this whole colossal cock up would probably have not happened, if the freaking Brits in their 'wisdom' had not devised a brand new Jewish state in the middle of Islamic world. Almost certainly, most of the regime changes in the Middle East (Egypt, Syria, Libya and Iraq) from moderate monarchies to radical and militaristic regimes, can be traced back to the Arab-Israeli wars.

This situation is a toxic, septic and painful wound that is constantly spreading fever, hatred and mania all over the Islamic world. We were crazies to begin with, but this has turned us all lunatic :-o) Every dictator's atrocities are justified by the bogeyman of Israel. Every upset and misery is attributed to a Jewish plot. Every shortcoming and poverty is because the Jews are somehow stealing all our money and sending it to Israel, so that their filthy rabbi's can drink a cocktail of Muslim blood every Shabbat!

Arash M-K

Re: Arash MK

Arash, what is your opinion about the Palestinian involvement in the Iran-Iraq war?

As you know, despite being the receipients of Khomeini's well documented generosities, as soon as it looked like Saddam is winning early in the war, they sent "volunteers" to join Iraq in their invasion of Iran.

Of course, they had an eye on the riches of khuzestan too, a share of which was promised to them by Saddam.

One could ask what those "volunteers" were sent for? I think it's safe to assume that they weren't sent to serve dinner for Iraqi soldiers, that they were sent there to kill Iranian soldiers.

And they weren't the only Arab volunteers. There were volunteers from as far as Sudan, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia.

Ask anyone who served in the war in its first few years and they'll tell you about many of these "volunteers" who were captured as prisoners of war.

Israel no Nazi state

Comparing Israel to the Nazi state is plain and simple wrong. Nazi's did not live with other people; they eliminated them. Nazi's did not have an Open Society, but a fascist dictatorship.

Israel is the 'thank you very much' from the Christians to the Jews; which may as well have been delivered in the form of a kick in their groin! Now, Jews think that they are the smartest people in the world, but the whitees have them on a rope and at best play them like a viz kid, and at the end blame them for everything that goes wrong.

No Israel is no Nazi state, just a bunch of desperate people  who are trying to make a living on the most cursed piece of real-estate on Earth. 

Arash M-K

Why bother, why write?

Bijan AM: A most-discussed or most-viewed rating would be nice, but a chance at stricking a balance and exposing one side to the ideas of the other is the ambition.  

Arash M-K

Dear Mehdi M

Yes, after the Arab-Israeli wars and radicalization of the Islamic world many Jews have suffered in the Middle East countries, and most have chosen to leave for Israel, Europe or US. But you realize that the same people were living in relative peace among the Muslims for centuries, compared to the vicious treatment that their brethrens received in Europe, during the inquisition, pogroms and persecutions.

Land, power and dominance is the basis of this war, as well as most others. Make no mistake, there is nothing theoretical in Palestinians wanting their lands back. But there is also a real and present danger in the fundamentalist Jews wanting their 'Promised Land' from Nile to Euphrates.

Arash M-K

Pain and suffering begets pain and suffering

To deny the specific anguish imposed on the Palestinians and the apartheid regime of today (hey, I don't say it, it's President Jimmy Carter), is a major obstacle to achieving peace in the Middle East. 

Arash M-K

Revision of history: NO - revising our views: YES

The views on this blog are so mainstream HISTORY, that one cannot even laugh at the revisionist tag. As much as I would like to be avant-garde and 'revisionist', all the info is already well documented.

However, revising our personal views, which are either distorted towards Israel or Arabs, is a new cause on this site.

Arash M-K

Advice from XerXes to Q

Yeah, Q, one day the illusive Mahdi will show up on his white Cadillac taked from the infidels and save all the Islamic like XerXes from their delusional wishful thinking.

Normally you can gage the depth of the other side's argument through their content. Unable to respond with rational and intelligent argument to zion, fred, myself as well as other (pro) Israelis here, you resort to name calling that "Zionist" crap.

What happen mister?, Now you have found out that, we know you and about you, more then you know us.  Or is that delusional thinking that, Jews are not suppose to talk back to Mosaal-moonah .

Put up, or shut up. These days during which, Islamist like you had the stage all for themselves to spew hatred and bigotry against Jews, unchallenged and un-opposed  (and other minorities among the Islamsits) are over.

Mehdi Mazloom

Lived in Iran as a Jew... What a liar. these zions don't learn.
Q, ask yourself this, how could have you convince Hitler that he was wrong and Aryan race is not superior to others? Spare your breath, these Zions are not worth it. really. Who gives a damn about them. let them rotten in their own misery. they will get what they deserve in the long run. Let them say what they want, just laugh at them
these Zions are bunch of bacheh por ru but susul regardless. Believe me, knowing them well, they would not talk and monitor the web so carefully unless they were not peeing in their pants scared. They are scared of many things and anyone, let them talk the talk, they justify themselves because they know that someday they must truly deal with what they have created as the "democracy in the ME".
Ask yourself this:
Are they secured?
Have the citizens of the countries respect them as a nation?
Has the resistance against their existence stopped? or does it look like it will stop?
Would they always have the support of their big daddy?
Are they doing anything right for peace, in the US, or in their own Zion territories?

Don't worry, just wait and watch all these anti Zions forces unfold.
It will be a day that the children of Zions would spit to the hands of their fathers for committing hate in the modern days against innocent people. It is really as simple as that.

Fozool1 - Statistics

Here
are some facts, of which Arabs or their sympathizers DO NOT want you
to know

DURING
20 YEARS (1947 - 1967) OF ARAB RULE :

* Palestinian Male life expectancy grew from 42 to 44.

* Palestinian Female life expectancy grew from 45 to 46

* Palestinian Infant mortality rate decreased from 200 per thousand to
170 per thousand.

* Cruse death rate decreased from 21 per thousand to 19 per thousand.

* Before 1967, only 113 hospitals had been built in the territories

* Before 1967 only 23 Mother & Child Centers had been established.

* Before 1967 the percentage of illiterates on average had been 27.8%
among men and among women even higher at 65.1%.

DURING
THE NEXT 22 YEARS (1967 - 1989) OF ISRAELI
RULE :

* Palestinian Male life expectancy grew from 44 to 63.

* Palestinian Female life expectancy grew from 46 to 67.

* Palestinian Infant mortality rate decreased from 170 per thousand to
60 per thousand.

* Infant mortality rate decreased from 19 per thousand to 6 per
thousand.

* Malaria, which had existed in the territories before 1967 was finally
eliminated during the Israeli occupation.

Israel
also more than tripled the number of Palestinian teachers and boosted
the Palestinian educational system by establishing a number of
universities. Among them:

College
of Scientists (Abu Dis) - est. 1982. (Yeh, that famous Abu-Dis).

College
of Social Welfare (El Bira) - est. 1979.

College
of Religion (Beit Hanina) - est. 1978

Islamic
College in Hebron- est.1971.

By
1983 Israel had helped reduce illiteracy to only 13.5% among men and
38.9% among women.

Here
is the link to the complete article.

BLAME
IT ON THE OCCUPATION. Written by Natalia Zawidowski

//www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0206/S00049.htm