PHENOMENON

Dear No Fear

I believe people who have got it wrong  are two types in this world

The first group are simply those who do not know  any better. This might be trough misinformation or lack of knowledge.

One can always argue with this group and try to point them towards the light and if sincere, over time they will change their perception and accept the truth.

The second group are simply those who do NOT want to know and no matter how much logic and argument is provided, it would not have any effect. This is Beacuse they have already made their mind  up and the last thing they are interested in is the actual truth.

That is why I believe this argument is going nowhere as you have already made up your mind and like the person whom you are siding with you also are not willing to accept your responsibilities and are always looking to an escape goat to dump your duties on a way to denounce your responsibilities.

I believe that in the end history will be the best judge and  hence I leave it to her  to prove who is right or wrong.

Let's leave it at that

Cheers

Areyo,

you wrote ;

"It is about human right, fair trial and due process "

The introduction of " human right charter" is under the legislative power domain.

"fair trial and due process" is under the judiciary domain.

Why should the head of administration be responsible for that??

Oh, i see, you are looking for one strong reza shah figure to come and fix everything. i think i understand your point of view now. nice chatting with you.

ماهیت واقعی جناحهای درونی جمهوری اسلامی

احمدی نژاد از عمق و دامنه بیزاری مردم از خامنه ای خبر دارد، اما در همان حال در ارزیابی از میزان نفوذ خود در میان مردم هم دچار توهماتی است. احمدی نژاد تصور میکند که توزیع یارانه نقدی بخشهائی از مردم فقیر را نمک گیر وی کرده است و گویا آنها در کشکمکش جاری قدرت جانب وی را خواهند گرفت. از اینرو در پاسخ به بی مهری خامنه ای، تصور میکند که میتواند از این حربه برای وادار کردن وی به عقب نشینی بهره برداری کند. در همین رابطه در نامه ای که نزدیکان آقای احمدی نژاد در حمایت از او نوشته اند و امضای تعدادی از استانداران را هم برای آن گرفته اند، هشدار داده شده بود که برخورد با آقای احمدی نژاد "منجر به نارضایتی آحاد مردم در سراسر کشور" خواهد شد.

سپاه پاسداران بعنوان رکن اصلی قدرت در ایران بطور سربسته موضع خود را در قبال اوضاع جاری اعلام کرده است. "جعفری" فرمانده کل سپاه در یک گفتگوی طولانی با خبرگزاری فارس وابسته به سپاه پاسداران از موضع دستگاهی که در عمل بالای سر همه ارگان های حکومتی قرار دارد، با صراحت تمام  تاکید کرد که سپاه برای حفاظت از رژیم هیچ قید و محدودیتی ندارد. جعفری با اشاره به وظیفه سپاه پاسداران بنا بر اصل 150 قانون اساسی گفت: "آنچه در قانون به عنوان وظیفه و رسالت سپاه آمده را می‌توان جامع، کلی و در واقع همه جانبه قملداد کرد. سپاه یک سازمان امنیتی، فرهنگی، عقیدتی، سیاسی و نظامی است و نقش خود را در همه عرصه‌های فرهنگی، سیاسی، اقتصادی، اجتماعی، ‌امنیتی و اطلاعاتی ایفا کند. وی افزود:" طیف ماموریت‌های سپاه گسترده است و در این مسیر هیچ قید و محدودیتی برای ایفای نقش یا رسالت سپاه نمی‌توان قائل شد، هرچند این کار ظرافت و حساسیت خاص خود را دارد." 

سپاه پاسداران که برای غلبه بر بحران اقتصادی موجود راه چاره ای ندارد هنوز زمان را برای اقدام قطعی خود در یکسره کردن کار اختلافات درونی رژیم مساعد نمی بیند، در شرایط فعلی به قدرت نمائی و تهدیدهای سربسته ای که در سخنان جعفری دیدیم اکتفا میکند. فرماندهان سپاه میدانند که در شرایط فعلی قادر به انجام هیچ نوع اصلاحات اقتصادی برای بهبود زندگی مردم و در نتیجه فرونشاندن آتش خشم فروخفته انها نیستند، بنابراین ارزش مصرف خامنه ای برای انها هنوز به پایان نرسیده است. شکی نیست که احمدی نژاد مهره ای است که به کمک سپاه پاسداران سر از صندوق های رای در آورد و طی 6 سال گذشته در موقعیت ریاست جمهوری به منافع سپاه خدمت کرده است. اما با همه اینها سپاه که استراتژی خود را برای آینده رژیم دارد ظرفیت های خود را در این زمینه برای نجات کلیت رژیم فدای پاره ای حرکات جاه طلبانه احمدی نژاد نخواهد کرد.

اما کشمکش های اخیر برای همه جناح های رژیم  این خاصیت را هم دارد که چنانچه مانند جریان خرداد 1388 از کنترل خارج نشود و یا چنانچه مردم به دعوای درونی انها امید ببندند و خود نظاره گر اوضاع باقی بمانند، برای تداوم عمر رژیم میتواند مفید هم واقع شود. انتخابات مجلس در سال آینده مقدمه انتخابات ریاست جمهوری در سال بعد از آن خواهد بود. رژیم از هم اکنون خود را برای وارد شدن در این نمایش آماده میسازد. اما این اماده سازی چیزی جز بازار گرمی برای انتخابات نیست. روشن است که تکلیف تقسیم قدرت در بالای حکومت نه با رای مردم بلکه در ورای آن روشن میشود و بازار گرمی کردن برای انتخاباتی که همه طرفهای رقیب ماهیت آن را میشناسند، تنها با هدف نمایش دادن مشروعیت کاذب رژیم صورت میگیرد، که هر کدام از جناحها به سهم خود از آن بهرمند خواهند شد.

ماهیت واقعی جناحهای درونی جمهوری اسلامی پیش و پس از این اختلافات از لحاظ عمومی مردم حق طلب تفاوتی باهم ندارند. قرار نیست که از قبل پیروزی جناحی بر جناحی دیگر هیچ گشایشی در زندگی مردم پدید آید. آنها چه اختلافات خود را به آرامی حل کنند و چه به جان همدیگر بیفتند و به تصفیه خونین همدیگر بپردازند و از این طریق قدرت حکومتی خود را یک کاسه کنند، در هر حال چنانچه مردم مبارز برای بیرون کشیدن حقوق پایمال شده خود از گلوی آنها مستقیما دست به نبرد نزده باشند، از آشفتگی درونی رژیم سودی نخواهند برد و جناحهای رژیم از بالای سر آنها موجبات بقای حکومتشان را فراهم خواهند ساخت.

//www.payam.nu/2011/Maqalat-F/900217gf.htm

Deciphering Mahmoud

We can only make a judgment on A.N. after the downfall of IRI. That's all we can do, and that's all we are good at; we've been doing it for the past 25 centuries.

No Fear

Again my friend

You are totally missing the point. this is not about individual criminals.

It is about human right, fair trial and due process

All of which are at the moment missing in Iran. Now! if someone  like AN find himself obliged to defend the right of Palestinian terrorists  in a conflict that is not his business or responsibility at all, then why not defending the right of Iranian people and yes even the ones who committed crimes.

Punishment should always  fit the crime and for the party claiming to be on the side of  law it is a duty and an indisputable obligation to comply with the universal human rights of the defendant what ever the crime.

Furthermore the judgment needs to be fare proportional and in accordance with those right  and values.

So as I told you before if you regard him as a powerless irrelevant loser then defending him will not do any good to your credibility.

On the other hand if he is in power and this is all happening under his watch then he is guilty as hell

areyo,

Even if we assume Ahmadinejad is a president with power, why does he have to care about the number of drug dealers being executed?

No Fear

So what is your argument?

Are you saying that AN have no part in these crimes.

Well then! let me ask you one question.

Is he the president with power or not.

If he does not have any power or say in all these affairs then he is irrelevant and you are wasting you time supporting an irrelevant looser

Otherwise if he is in power and gives his consent to all these crimes against humanity or even if he chooses to ignore them to avoid conflict or just because it suits his position, then he is as guilty as the person who pulls the trigger if not even more.

So! My advice to you is: get real mate you are not dealing kid here

Good imagination .. keep it up.

I stopped reading the rest from here  :

"او با بی‌اعتنایی و مقاومت در برابر فشارهای جامعه جهانی و نهادهای حقوق بشری، دست قاضیان و محتسبان و سرکوب‌گران و شکنجه‌گران و اعدام‌کنندگان و آمران و مجریان سنگسار و قصاص و قطع دست و اعدام بزهکاران خردسال را باز گذاشته بود - و آمار اعدام را به صورت تصاعدی بالا برد - و این البته که او را نزد روحانیت قرون وسطایی ایران بیشتر محبوب می‌کرد

How did Ahmadinejad increased the execution numbers?

Did he ordered the head of the judiciary to do so?

Did he take control over the prison system and executed them at will? Just how? please elaborate more.

ahosseini, It is a good

Never underestimate an enemy

In my humble opinion we have taken AN’s stupidity too much for granted

Of course it is correct that his behaviour and words in the past few years has painted the portrait of an idiot of him.

But is he really an idiot or is this just a disguise used by him to hid his true nature while he is pushing his own agenda through. Regardless of what we think about IRI or AN we need to be realistic and cautious about the man and his real intention, methods or way of thinking.

Has any of you ever stopped and thought may be, just may be this is the way he wanted us to think of him.

Just think about it for a few moments, his behaviour persuaded Ali Geda to put all his support behind him and not only to challenge the will of people, an action that even alienated many IRI supporters, but also to turn his back on many of his natural allies. People like Rasmanjaani to whom he owes the very position he is holding.

This gamble made Ali Khamne-ey more isolated than ever and as he put all his eggs in one AN basket he is now caught between a rock and a hard place. Getting rid of AN will alienate another group of IRI supporters (Hojjati-ye) and keeping him on is making life a hell for AK and other mullahs

As for the direction that AN is taking it is my humble opinion that having support of Sepah and security service behind him he is going to get rid of all the mullahs one way or another and will change the political climate in Iran into a military dictatorship.

If he succeeds to have his way we will end up with a regime like North Korea or Pakistan a regime that not only just bears the name Islamic and Republic as only a hollow title (as does now), but he will all the Islamic or Democratic looks, pretences and slogans being dumped as well. This will only makes the work of  the opposition harder

That is why we need to be in high alert and fce up to him as a serious and dangerous enemy

Dear MM

This article is really good and we should thank Mr Bagherzadeh for such a valuable analysis. Don't forget Ahmadinezhad pretends to be on the side of the poor and he does it so cleverly and naturally by appearing to have a simple life (wearing cloths which are torn and eating bread and cheese in a humble way, ... and saying words that appeal to the poor and backward in terms of knowledge). Don't forget, at the same time he acts in this way he pays £50,000 a week to the likes of George Galloway and Laurn Booth working for PressTV.  He has learned from the likes of Regan (a cowboy) and Palene (an ex model), and star politicians linked to Disney world, in the USA and Europe. Look at William and Kates fairy tale story. It is beyond imagination how the upper-class managed to hook more than 3 billions to TV screens. Diana with all her wealth and resources did not even manage to pass basic Maths, English and Science exams. When she died she was all time hero in British history. These are methods adapted by upper-class to control the poor. On the one hand they keep a section of the society who follow like sheep(followers of Imam zaman- nothing), very happy and use them to suppress the rest of the nation and on the other hand suppress the rest of the nation. You need a well organised army of up to 500,000 from the most backward section of the society to put the rest of the society in its place. They do it everywhere in the Saudi Arabia, in Dubai, Ghatar, Kowait, and Bahrain. In the UAE, a small administration and army of well paid with 200000 members(vatani or local) control a population of about 10,000,000. The 200000 earn at least $100,000 PA while the rest earn about $1000 a year. It works very well, doesn't it?   A well organised army of the most backward (or intelligent enjoying the privileges) against 60,000,000 disintegrated people, most of whom are quite intelligent. That is why intelligent people must learn how to organise themselves in democratic societies . That is why I suggested we should come up with an idea to control the leaders and do it while we are in opposition. It does not matter which political party you belong to, it is important we try to put pressure on the leaders to use the web technology to listen to members and allow members to be part of daily activities and policy making bodies. It does not matter which party we belong to, we should try to impose democratic ideas on leaders. You soon find out that most of them will force you out in which case we form a party which believes in a flat structured organisation. An organisation that controls the leaders and not the other way. Technology does allow us to form such an organisation. One such an example is a website such as Iranian.com. This tool can be used to run a society in a very democratic way. Try it in small numbers. If you need help in setting up the website, I can help to some extent.  

interesting - how do you classify AN, then?

Ahmadi Nejad would have become a phenomenon if he had been more of an advocate for the poor, for the tortured/murdered and tried to prosecute those who have mismanaged Iran and pocketed the proceeds (especially Mullahs).  Unfortunately, AN has played along with the religious elite, as you noted, beat his chest on "death to this and that" and promised Iranians a Mahdi phenomenon.  And, now that he has a difference of opinion with the Mullahs, he expects everyone to rally around him?  Sorry, but he needs to do a LOT more than that.