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Hamsadeh Ghadimi

I wish there was a "love" button on your comments that one could press.

I agree with you, the Monarchists have done their cause more damage than anybody else, and I, too, believe that the Pahlavis stopped taking them seriously a long time ago.

واقعا از شما‌ها متعجبم

حالا از چند تا مثه این دیو بی‌ بو و خاصیت و دکتر مهندس قلابی یکی‌ دو تا دیگه که بگذریم بقیه کار و زندگی‌ ندارین که که اینهمه شعر و ور به هم بند میکنید که جواب این بابا رو بدین؟ بابا ایولله. بیخود نیست میگن این  تهرونجلسی‌ها الکی خوشن. این دیو بیچاره میخواد یه سری از تو سرا در آره حالا یه سوژه هم که دیگه کهنه شده گیر آورده شما را هم رو عنتر منتر خودش کرده حالا هی‌ لی لی بذارین به لالالش. 

royals vs. royalists

if it's indeed you, all the power to you. 

i used to feel contempt for the pahlavis; however, i've changed my opinion.  i think the image that is portrayed of them is the preferred image by the monarchists.  i personally don't think that reza pahlavi really wants to pursue monarchy; however, he has no choice but make statements about iran and iranians.  when reza was saying that he was telling his brother alireza that he does not have to conform to people's expectation, i felt that reza, himself, felt that he had to take that responsibility for the entire family.  in my opinion, he's the one who has to pay for his father's sins/wealth/cronies' expectations. 

i have much more disdain for monarchists who resort to name-calling, divisiveness, and falsely feeling superior.  sitting in the memorial of alireza and listening to the chatter of monarchists around me ("ma ham-doreyeh sar tip-ha boodim", "man ham-kelas alireza boodam", ....), i could not help but feel sorry for the pahlavi family... it's all the expectations from them, and longing to be in a position of power.  the chaploosi and slogans that were trumpeted was ridiculous and don't think was even appreciated by the pahlavis.  they just had to smile, even though, they're there for the memorial of the second child of the family.  i truly felt sorry for them after decades of contempt. i think the pahlavis would have changed place with any other family in a heartbeat that night. 

but i like to reiterate that the outpouring of empathy for alireza was not just by monarchists and wasn't just for an individual but for a depressed nation.  some may not feel any remorse if azadi tower was blasted tomorrow; especially those who were born after revolution.  but for many it would be a huge blow. 

doctor mohandes

is it fair to watch someone beat a child in public and not do anything?  Is it fair to watch someone try to tear the heart out of a grieving mother who has lost two children? NO!

That's why I tried to express my outrage at this person's poor taste.  You chose to defent his prerogative.

Open and free speech does not mean people are not accountable for the horrible things that come out of their mouths.   I'm all for bad people opening their hearts so we know them, but you are telling HG to just shrug off and leave this guy alone, or infer that someone is "settling" scores with deev. deev is being addressed on the merits of what he wrote here. If everything is fair game, how is deev not?

DM, azeez

read my response to you on Ali Parvin, please!

@Princess, I fully agree

@Princess, I fully agree with how "It's people's right to feel how they feel without having to explain it to anybody that I am trying to defend." and with that spirit my article explains how I felt about the remaining Pahlavis, some people liked alireza, felt sad for him and wrote in his sympathy, I didn't find anything worthy to miss and criticized his poor resume



@hamsade ghadimi, JJ can vouch that I'm indeed the deev from jadugaran and in fact this article is very much in line with my character, 8 saal pish beh simeh akhar zadam o bot-haayeh eslaami ro shikoondam va emrooz bot-haayeh saltanati va fardaa bot-haayeh sabz, all of which need to be broken before we can become onjective enough to see what's a good and what's a poor choice of leadership, if you judge people based on their merits you can see how Karoubi has been far more brave than Reza Pahlavi regardless of my personal disdain for akhoonds and that's only because Reza has been such a complete wimp, so instead of him I praise Shahram Homayoon for his visionary leadership through his actions by educating people about their flag, or publishing a farsi version of Quran so people can read what a pile of gibberish it is, and guess what, he is a monarchist and I still praise him based on the merits of his work!



@Doctor mohandes, thanks for remaining objective

no doctor mohandes, you got

no doctor mohandes, you got it all wrong.  i'm not accusing deev of being, filling the void, or in anyway related to marhoom colonel.

azarin, anatomy of current

azarin, anatomy of current useage of word deev:

if the clergy are holy and noble, those who oppose them are deev.  if ahmadi and the baseej are rightfully in position of power, then the people are khas va khaashaak.  it's also a metaphor for iran becoming hell and inhabited with deevs, ahrimans, and satanic rituals.  deev is also the name of a rapper that used to rap with the group jadugaran.  sometimes he sings solo.  a deev in new terminology is anti-mullah and of the people.  sort of hamaaseye khas va khaashaak.  this person, through example, defies these definitions and even suggests hey since hamsade ghadimi is the deev now, i'll change to rostam and slay him! not very consistent.

it's all smoke and mirrors.   this article wasn't about the pahlavis as princess suggested.  it's about those who felt empathy for their loss. it's not about mordeh-parasti since his examples of modern iranian heroes are two shiite mordeh-parasts: karoubi and montazeri. it's not apparent what he's trying to achieve by the article, the only thing that shines through is genuine and jumbled hate.

Hamsadeh ghadimi

You are comparing this fella with Sargord Pirouz?

Look,. I understand your feelings and everyone else's who tend to Err on the side opposite to this deev Agha/khanoom. but in all fairness if we give the article a nice and agood ol' objective read , I doubt if it comes across as a complaint of any form or shape.

I meandon't get me wrong, I felt saddened and felt the despair deep and all that. But let us not lose sight of the fact that aside from all the politics and nonsensical issues, It would have done this family so much to do at least some of what is being proposed Here instead of all other things that they actually did.

Also, It is unfortunate that so many here take this as an opportunity to settle scores , personal / political with the author,, That is just totally rediculous, I am sorry to say, Fair is Fair. He can and has every right to say whatever it is he wants to say, be it in a form of a complaint/ or anything else for that matter.

If as some here have said it, We are supposed to be all democratic and do the democratic thing, Then "everyone" and everything is fair game. No questions. No ifs and no Buts about it.

thanks hamsade for your explanation.

I will try to read his comments more carefully but really sometimes, they are confusing. There are enough good commentators on this site that one does not have time for the iffy ones. I find your comments to be some of the best.

Since you are a deev,

I'm not surprised that you can't understand the point of view of Princess or Hamsadeh Ghadimi...But I can't blame you! You're a deev! What could anyone expect from a deev?

anahid, everyone can make

anahid, everyone can make their own judgement.  i'm not going to make a case against this character.  i felt that 'ishoon zad be sim akhar' since the departure of sargord.  somehow, he felt the need to fill the void.  he may have been sarcastic and not very funny.  at any rate, there are many with iran bastan names bashing iran bastan, anti-iranians with iranian traditions for usernames and avatars, anti-heros using names of heros, and so on.  it's so sneaky, it's transparent.  it's so sad, it's funny, and so on.

You don't get it, Deev!

It's not my opinion! It's people's right to feel how they feel without having to explain it to anybody that I am trying to defend.

You claim there was "an outpour of praise" and "worshiping" of Alireza, in those pieces, really? Were we navigating the same website? Because all I sew was expressions of empathy for an old mother who had lost two of her children in their prime to suicide. I saw nobody - at lease not on this site - worship Alireza, but merely feel sorry for him and his tragic end. I am not going to get into the whys because a) HG has already more than eloquently explained why the majority of us felt the way we did, and b) I don't think I have to explain my feeling to anybody.

I think I have proven my point, so I shall rest my case! 

Dear hamsade, can you explain more about this comrade issue?

 Dear hamsade, in one of your comments on this thread, you wrote the following:"deev, you're losing me.  we saw how someone pretending to be leftist ("comrade") turned out to be a regime supporter (or at least anti anti-regime supporter). "

Can you explain this more? Comrade's comments were above all confusing and sometimes meaningless or designed to be hard to decipher. But please tell me how we saw that comrade turned out to be anti anti-regime supporter.

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@Princess, the "it" i'm criticing is a lack of meritocracy in our culture, had alireza's last-name not been pahlavi do you think a single article would had been written and would you yourself be still on my case? all i'm asking is for someone to show me a single merit in alireza's life or death worthy of such heavy out-pour of praise and therefore i'm rightfully appalled by how many of my people worship a person for no reason other than his last name, so yes you're absolutely right that had I seen a normal amount of reaction I would had not bothered with complaining and it sure was the overt and irrational attempt to make a martyr out of someone undeserving that made me write my article and lastly don't you think that by telling me "No you are not allowed to criticize people for how they feel" and "your criticism is not legitimate" you are dictating your opinions?

@pas-e-pardeh, you are entitled to your opinion of how i'm a "poor example of a human being" as I'm entitle to mine holding the same opinion about the remaining Pahlavis.

@hamsade ghadimi, for being anti-deev you can call me rostam ;)

Deev!

In response to HG's comment you say you are not a supporter of IR. How can anyone trust you when YOU, in different comments, insulted those who showed any kind of sympathy in this case and called them names? Do you, personally, know every single one of them?

Excuse me, deev?

Mossadegh and Takhti are your two "obvious" examples of Iranians appreciating their servants?  One died in lonely exile and the other committed suicide.  The only time they were really dear was after they died, i.e., "mordeh-parasti".

Montazeri was the architect of "velayat-e-faghih" and Karrubi was the speaker of the parliment for years when atrocities were taking place.  Both spoke up AFTER they lost all power.  Neither can be compared to national leaders like Shah or Mosaddegh.

You resent the Pahlavis because they are getting some long-overdue sympathy.  You don't like that.  You jumped in here and tried to ruin the moment for them (and for us).  All you did was show what a poor example of a human being you are. 

Princess: Keen

Princess: Keen observation.

//www.congress.org/news/2011/01/24/more_troops_lost_to_suicide

i'm not swayed until

i'm not swayed until convinced otherwise.  your references and sayings are very anti-deev!  i'm keeping an eye on you like a real deev.  btw, you can call me kafar anytime.

Can you define "it"?

as in "i'm allowed to critic it." 

No, Deev, you are not allowed to criticize people for how they feel. As I mentioned before, what bothers me about your take on this is that, as much as you are trying to veil it into something possibly more legitimate, your criticism is not legitimate. You are really not even criticizing the Pahlavis.

Please be honest with yourself. You are just pissed off because people wrote more pieces on Alireza Pahlavi than they wrote on the 77 victims of the airplane crash. If people had not heeded Alireza's death as much as they did, you would not have writen this.  

Princess / hamsade ghadimi / Oktaby

@Princess, I'm not "dictating" to anyone how to feel, I'm simply stating my opinion, some may read it and go hmmm, maybe he's right and alireza didn't do anything worthy of such hoopla, surely thought provoking but not dictating, people are allowed to cry over it as much as i'm allowed to critic it.



@hamsade ghadimi, good sir, that is me and no I'm not supporter of Karoubi or Montazeri as i'm against all Akhoonds, some more than others, however I used them as examples of how people can appreciate when someone does something good for them and we can not deny how they took a stand against the current regime even when they could had easily stayed silent and collect their checks, again it's an example of praising someone for their merits as meritocracy mandates.



@Oktaby, no complaints had they decided to live their lives as private citizens without any political ambitions, then there would had been no stories about them as there aren't any stories about all the ghajars living out there, but to still dream of ruling Iranians and naming your kids foreign names and not doing anything viable/tangible for your people is what made me complain, Reza wants to lead, fine, then lead by example instead of cheap talks!

how about helping their own

how about helping their own legacy by opening a "Pahlavi Library" like how every US president does after serving their office term.

Agreed.

deev, you're losing me. 

deev, you're losing me.  we saw how someone pretending to be leftist ("comrade") turned out to be a regime supporter (or at least anti anti-regime supporter).  we saw how someone with moniker of king reza become a regime supporter.  we saw how someone against iranian traditions took on the name norooz.  now i see an anti mullah deev promoting karoubi and montazeri.  are you a fan of deev from the group jadugaran?  the anti mullah group.  tell me it ain't so.

here's a glimpse of deev for those who don't know the music: hame mollaha, shastaa baalaa

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1J9iv8RpTo

Deev

I've got news for you, you can't tell people how to feel and what to think.

Throughout history people have tried it at gunpoint, it just never works. Give it up already. It seems like you are not even angry at the Pahlavis but rather at people's reaction to the suicide of Alireza. People feel what they feel, you can't dictate to them how they should feel, and certainly nobody has to explain why they feel how they feel to you or anybody else. Don't you realise what you are doing is just undemocratic!

Hamsadeh ghadimi, I really enjoyed your comment. Very sensible and thoughtful. Thanks for being one of the saner people around here. 

Bravo Aghaye Ghiassi. Please blog it separately!

Sahameddin Ghiassi
Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:01 AM PST

 مشګل ما در کجاست؟  در تمامیت خواهی   حسادت  اجتماعی نبودن و...؟ چرا خاورمیانه پیشرفت نمیکند؟  چرا ما نمی توانیم با هم متحد باشیم؟ چرا ما همیشه حل مشګلات را در کشت کشتارها جستجو میکنیم؟  و چرا به زنده ها نمی رسیم تا مرګ آنان را برباید بعد برایشان نوحه سرایی میکنیم و برایشان

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@areyo barzan
A friend of mine had also raised that point to which I argued that the Pahlavis surely chose the easy way of not doing over doing something and getting nagged at. And forget about helping others, how about helping their own legacy by opening a "Pahlavi Library" like how every US president does after serving their office term.

@vildemose
In US & Canada where most of Iranian diaspora live the security for such a center can be manageable with two guards and a metal detector, same as any of Iranian satellite TV stations who are far more active against IRI with a yearly fund raiser to pay for the operation.

@Ali P & @hamsade ghadimi
Very well said and thanks for your thoughtful replies, I wish we also get heartfelt stories about every other Iranian who has died in sad situations since it was the one sided nature of 20 articles about alireza and none about others that made me write this as it went against the "meritocracy" we enjoy living abroad.

@Anahid Hojjati
Most Iranians abroad are WORKING TO EAT before having time to help their fellow Iranians and despite that you still see many organizations like NIAC / Persian Center / Iranica / Kahrizak that are started by ordinary people so you cannot argue that given their circumstance both in financial terms and popularity they are just the same as ordinary people.

@pas-e-pardeh
You asked when have we EVER appreciated anybody who has done any good? I'll spare you obvious examples like Mosadeq and Takhti and instead point out two unlikely figures, Mehdi Karoubi and Montazeri, and both were once hated Akhoonds whom by their ACTIONS of standing up against injustice turned the tides and are now revered by many Iranians. As for "fickle ungrateful people" kaafar hameh raa beh kishe khod pendaarad

پاسخ به دوستان

@Nader Vanaki & Mash Ghasem
حرفهای شما کاملا درست است و من هم از اینکه دوستان به جای هزار مشکل دیگر چندین و چند مقاله از کسی که هیچ کار لایقی برای ایرانیان انجام نداده نوشتند سر شکایت را باز کردم تا شاید انگیزه مرده پرستی را از دل کسی بزدایم
@pas-e-pardeh
آیا از یک شاهزاده ایرانی انتظار گزینش نامهای ایرانی برای فرزندانش گزاف است؟
@Ferfereh
من در زمان انقلاب شش ساله بودم و سالهای جنگ را در ایران به سر بردم و بر چسب نوکری شما به بتپرستان سلطنتی بیشتر میچسبد
@Sahameddin Ghiassi
نوشتار شما جالب بود و ایکاش آنرا در یک مقاله مجزا چاپ میکردید

HG wow...

Ouch... That last part brought a few tears to my eyes...Excellent (sad at the same time) finish...

Ali p

Nice one bro... Elegant.

حالا هی‌ بزنید تو سر همدیگه به خاطره خاندان پهلوی

این مادر فلان شده‌های ولایت وقیح فقط یک زبون سرشون میشه: زبون سرب داغ..

تا روزی که یک یک این مادر قحبه‌های فاشیست رژیم اسلامی در خیابان‌های تهران به دار مجازات بالا برن، همین آش، همین کاسه

//iranian.com/main/2011/jan/jafar-kazemi-mohammad-ali-hajaghaei