Mousavi Khoeini vs. Khamenei

Majles deputy's 2003 speech calling for investigation into Supreme Leader's competence

25-Feb-2011
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Jeesh Daram

Majid Mohseni

by Jeesh Daram on

Majid Mohseni an actor and a comedian and a farmer from Gilliard near Damavand used to give very hot speeches at time of the Shah, so did famous wrestler, Habibi (tiger of Mazandaran). Parliament is the place for sharp and controversial speeches. Parliament is like a stage where actors need to act or else they won't get re-elected. The one's who rush to the podium are also doing their acts. Shah himself did his share of acting too. The world is their oyster and we are the audience with free tickets to watch.


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The famous Poem

by Doctor mohandes on

Looking at the way the fellow got up and charged at him I could only think of one thing:

Who let the dogs out?? Wooofff! wooof.

Who let the dogs out??? Who?:)))


Fatollah

question?

by Fatollah on

wasn't Karrubi speaker of the Majles in 2003?


aynak

Very good/informative clip

by aynak on

I have to admit, I did not know much about this guy, just the interview with Parazit in the other thread.   Anyone with concern about democracy for Iran, would take a guy like this very seriously. 

May we all have good dreams.


azadi5

interesting

by azadi5 on

This happened towards the end of Khatamei's presidency. I like the last 10 seconds when the other guy is about to start his speech and the majles deputy asks him not to read anything that has to do with nahjolbelaghe or the constitution, cause there could be more disruptions.


mahmoudg

Not ready for democracy

by mahmoudg on

It is a fact that 80% of the population is yearning for freedom of the kind, certainly not under this regime, but with basij and brainwshed members in the majles, as we saw here, that would be impossible.  In my plan of surgical attacks against the the Basij stongholds, the IRGC bases and the regime assets is also cleansing the parliament of Akhonds and brainwashed members before we can march towards a free and democratic society.


Benyamin

Iranian "laws"

by Benyamin on

Today in Iran we have two different type of laws.1-constitutional 2-velayati

Constitutional laws are those by which the representatives of Iranian people have come up with and have passed the floor of majles through the votes of majority and must be implimented by all institutrions in Iran.

The velayati laws are those that are "on the side of the leader"!!!

Meaning, one could come up with a velayati law by him/herself and be able to impliment it even better than that of constitutional law only because he/she has recognized it is alligned with the leaders view. One could come up with such law even if it has not been issued by the leader himself. That is why Iran is where it is today.

Because individuals could make that kind of decisions all by themselves.

Those people sitting in majles are clearly not representing people but representing the leader.

contitutional law Vs velayati law which one is more powerful? you be the judge!


Darius Kadivar

Equally tough Speeches were delivered during Shah's time ...

by Darius Kadivar on

Not just at times of International Crisis: 

PAN IRANIST: Pezeshkpour objects to Shah's decision on Bahrain Independence (1971)

 

But also during the tenures of Sharif Emami, Amouzegar and up to Bakhtiar. I remember the passionate debates in Parliament delivered live on TV which actually was probably an error at the height of the revolutionary crisis which was shaking the foundations of the monarchy. People were not used to watch Parliamentary debates on TV like is the case in most Fully Democratic Parliamentary Systems. I remember one of the deputies who used to be a former classmate of my father telling us years after the Revolution that his generation will be held accountable for undermining the entire State Apparatus in the eyes of the people because of delivering such harsh attacks on the Shah and the entire government.Iran during the Shah was not a democracy, no more than Ben Ali, Mubarak or any other regime in the Region regardless of whether those regime's are Monarchies or Republics.But it did have a Constitution ( Barely 50 years Old in a country dominated by 25 centuries of Absolutism and Old political habits) which nevertheless Operated Perfectly as a European Constitutional Monarchy for the First 12 years of the Shah's reign ( where he more or less reigned but did not rule):

 

THE PAST IS A FOREIGN COUNTRY: How Would You Evaluate Iran's Democracy Index in 1953 ?  

Our Political Elite's greatest error was to open the cage of the Lion in 1953 due to their own Shortsightedness in a country not yet ripe for democratic discourse And a political Elite which often Got It's PRIORITIES WRONG::

YES, PRIME MINISTER: A Step By Step Guide To Mossadegh's Premiership and the Coup of '53 ...

Isn't Calling for the Head of State's Death usually called "Treason"?


But then maybe the shared mistakes and failures of the past and present can help us to build a more genuine and stable democracy for the Iran of Tomorrow:

 

Reza Pahlavi's message on theAnniversary of the 1906 Constitutional Revolution in Iran (VIDEO)

 

 

Reza Pahlavi New Book (A TIME OF CHOICE) Q&A With French Media


REZA's CALL: An Iranian Solidarnosc... by DK

 

RESPONDING TO REZA's CALL: An Iranian Solidarnosc in the Making ... by DK

However more than 30 years since the Revolution ( or should we say Devolution ? ) of '79 and more than a Century since the Constitutional Revolution of 1906 The Real Question Remains : Have we truly Learned from the past ? ...


"Iranicans" Get Your Acts Together!!!


Sokoot (silence) - Golshifteh farahani

I'm Not so sure ...

How YOUR "Green" Color Was Chosen & By WHOME !

FED UP WITH POLITICAL CORRECTNESS: Ahmadinejad is NOT my Prime Minister !


PRIMARY COLORS: Reza Pahlavi and Trita Parsi Take a Stroll Down The Political Lane ;0)


à bon entendeur Salut !

 
Related pictory: 

 

pictory: Footage of ITV Report on Political Pluralism and Freedom of Press in Pahlavi Iran (1961)

 

PARLIAMENTARY DEMOCRACY: Mozaffaredin Shah Signs First Draft of the Constitution (1906) 

 

PARLIAMENTARY DEMOCRACY: Shah Delivers Speech to Parliament (1951)

 

WOMEN GET TO VOTE: Female Crowd Gratefully Gather At Shah's Palace (1963)

Mahnaz Afkhami: A Women For All Seasons (VOA/BBC Interviews)


Mahnaz Afkhami The Last Female Minister during the Shah's Era

 


pictory: Female Ministers in Pahlavi Era (1970's)

pictory: Mahnaz Afkhami International Women's Conference in Mexico City (1975)

JAVIDAN: Farokhroo Pārsā (1922-1980)


WOMEN RIGHTS: Princess Ashraf Chairman of Women Status Commission (1965)

HIGHLY RECOMMENDED WATCHING's:

 

HISTORY FORUM: Nader Naderpour on Iran's Constitutional Revolution and European Rennaissance (1996)

 

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Darius Kadivar

Brave indeed but not the first time ...

by Darius Kadivar on

Ghobtzadeh most probably made the boldest speech shortly after the failed Nojeh Coup which ultimately led to his execution. I have not found the speech on youtube however.

BOOK:Sadegh Ghobtzadeh, The Man In the Mirror by Carole Jerome (1987)

Bazargan also criticized the clerics once out of office while being booed and physically threatened to end his speech:

Mehdi Bazargan speeches

However in my humble Opinion the trouble is that when the Tree (i.e: The IRI Constitution, drafted by Lahiji and Co) Itself is Illegitimate and corrupt at it's Roots, I do not see how it can or could deliver delicious and attractive Fruits in the first place:

pictory: Bakhtiar Denounces Bazargan's Provisionary Government in exile (1979)

RESTORATION: Shapour Bakhtiar advocates Restoring the Monarchy

PS: Mohsen Rezai, the man who was also candidate (Mohsen Rezaei announces candidacy in Iran's presidential election) along with Mehdi Karoubi and Mohsen Moussavi was commander of Revolutionary Guards who arrested Mr. Ghotbzadeh (on grounds of plotting with Monarchists to overthrow the regime) in his house, said the former Foreign Minister had been arrested while smoking opium, the newspapers said. Mr. Ghotbzadeh was convicted in the plot and faced a firing squad. Reuters News from 1982 Here

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KNIGHTHOOD: Order of the Garter bestowed upon Mohsen Kadivar For Giving me a Bad Name ;0(

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Jahanshah Javid

Earliest spotting of democracy

by Jahanshah Javid on

Someone has to do research on this but I would be surprised if this was not one of the earliest mentions of democracy by a politician at the time loyal to the Islamic Republic in a speech inside the Majles.

If a man like him, at the upper levels of power, in 2003 uttered the word "democracy" and called for a referendum and insisted on the will of the people, then imagine what the youth, as well as the general public must feel in 2011.

It feels good. Democracy has taken root. And the Islamic Republic is too disgraced to be able to stop its growth.


WeAreBlessed

His GUILT and his attempt at redemption...

by WeAreBlessed on

Guilt is caused, when our actions do not match our values/beliefs: A "good" person cannot be the instrument of an "evil" system (such as the current regime in Tehran).  To solve such a moral dilemma (which is a negative burden on the guilty person's self-esteem), either the regime (somehow "magically") becomes "good" in one's mind or the concepts of "good and evil" become irrelevant in one's mind...  

Certainly Mr. Khoini's courage will be noted in history, however, deep-down this former supporter of the mullahs (how else could he have even become a candidate) partially feels guilty. 

Question: How can a former agent of the regime clear his conscience?

Answer: Take bold action against the occupiers of Tehran.  

Sir,

You certainly have the balls... to at least address your guilt.  


Jahanshah Javid

Classic Courage

by Jahanshah Javid on

Will go down in history. HAS gone down in history.