Anyway

To Q on living in the past!

Listen Mr Sophist, I am not backing that guy as my point goes beyond a personal opinion as a proud Iranian.

"...we use the holy hajj as the starting year..."! Feel free like the IR education policy to yell we are nothing. You're comparing the Arabic lunar year with Iranian solar year!!! what a fallacy! :)

You definitely either know nothing about the history of Math or intentionally trying to put Iranian mathematicians down and I believe the former is true due to the fact that you have tried to manipulate the lousiest events math to provide some facts on other nations contributions; There are a lot more important events in math you could've brought up however it would not disqualify Iranians contributions!

I don't need to be told on the Indian numbers and the root of the word Rial etc... I, as an Iranian, like any other nation am responsible to keep in memory on the precious contributions my own nation provided to the world... If the word Rial came from Portugal the word Paradise came from Iran and If Rial is our todays current it doesn't make me feel awful as the time when there were no popular currency systems in the world and a state nation called Portugal, in Iran we had the currency called DARIS...

If you're talking about the contribution of Indians to Math, I cant ignore contributions of Iranians as the absolute founders and developers of Algebra, Modern math, Arithmetics and Calculus and especially in the area of Derivatives.

Yes, Of course we have a history of civilization and a country which ever existed as long as the history remembers and never been a colony, with impressive events and individuals impacted the whole human history like Cyrus with his the first Human Rights Bill which have been the inspiration for today's politicians such as Thomas Jefferson while establishing the US constitutions and bill of rights as one of the most brilliant and elite social amendments.

You don't find too many countries with such attributes as most of them have been recognized since the end of 18th century when the nation states had been defined and the borders established and the colonies gradually declared their independences. This has been the root of the most countries you see in the area from Iraq, Pakistan, UAE, Saudi, Jordan even India and Egypt as the British colonies to European nation states... .

Most of these countries do not have any domestic historical event older than the events they utilized for their calendar to begin with. Among them I just can name the Egypt on how they have been totally consumed and digested by the Arabs so that they lost their national identity and today recognized as an Arab nation regardless of being a colony until 1922.

My question is What is the point of assigning Iranian calendar based on an event happened abroad some where in Saudi Arabia?! I have no problem with Muslim's prophet and his escape from Mecca to Medina but Iran is a country which has been established for over 2700 years ago when the first Iranian state had established by Medes which defines the a nation's social history regardless of other impressive momentum like the declaration day of Cyrus the great Bill of RIGHT which is truly the first ever registered declaration of Human Rights in History in over 500 BC... You don't throw your history away as it gives you credit.

Europeans, such as Germans, try to fabricate history and look for finding some considerable events in their past to put it in their calendar and manipulate it to put their nation together more and be even more proud and confident... you see how such nations never fall behind as simply their confidence and the way they have been inspired by their fathers motivate them to simply be the best and make them feel how they owe this to their fatherland.

I just didn't get your point.

Religion is not a portion of a criteria to define a nation. You have not been sincere in your argument and just tried to devalue and underestimate Iranian culture; something I have been facing for all years of my educations which made me sick of the regime.

I don't need people like you to put my past down, the IR have already been doing it and the more they have done the more they failed and consequently made individuals like me feel disgusted both on them and the useless religion you're talking about... honestly these type of mindset I am speaking on is so popular among the youth in Iran is a reaction to that historical brainwashing by the IR.

Religion has nothing but in best case is manipulating the ethical and moral values we all know in our hearts and the rest is nothing... so I don't need it as Ethics has nothing to do with religion. You can be the most religious person and the same time an unethical person and vise versa... I don't like to get it to the details of religions history and their impacts on mankind... You are a rudimentary guy who has inherited your religion from your ancestor specially the one which is among the worth ones and a definite copycat of the Jewish mythology something which Islam used to called even at the time of appearance of his prophet in Arabia when people in the area used to tell his how what he was claiming as a new religion was nothing but ASATIROLAVALIN... Any ways, I bet you even re that much ignorant that never bothered to study Koran in your mother tongue to realize what a messy and haphazard book it is which is constantly repeating some very rudimentary and nonsense statements over and over without any point and full of controversies and conflicts in concepts... You can not ever name three positive turning point the religion brought up to the human history!

A religion whose masters as clerics come from the dumbest rank of people who most of them have already failed to even get their guidance school license!!!

When religion can not defeat and wipe off such national events like Nowruz it hijacks it by submitting it to its own contributions... this is an old story! now you're telling us on how we read Arabic verses and put Koran on Haftsin... When this eve been celebrated even Jesus was not born;

I promise you the more you talk on these, the more you see people rejecting doing it to show off where they hearts go... so ridiculous to try to hijack Iranian events with the religion which has granted us at present the Era of Middle Age but soon you see the fall of this loose decayed curtain in Iran as we already saw in Europe since 16th century...

The temporary dust of religions come and go like the way it happened to Christianity and generations after generations will refine the traditions and what remain will become a part of the social history, the common memory of a nation inspiring to stay united.

Keep your words to utilize it when it is all about supporting globalization not devaluing Iranian history and contributions... otherwise it will bring even more reverse impact. Wait to see the Iranian renaissance coming after collapse of this brutal religious fascist regime... It is impossible to see the religious manipulation again ever in Iran.

The future belongs to the nation who appreciates her past. otherwise you feel rootless.

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Asked if a philosopher can follow a prophetically revealed religion, Razi frankly replies:
How can anyone think philosophically while listening to old wives' tales founded on contradictions, which obdurate ignorance, and dogmatism? Gentility of character, friendliness and purity of mind, are found in those who are capable of thinking profoundly on abstruse matters and scientific minutiae...

Razi - my favorite Iranian philosopher

About the calendar

For those who have question about year 3746, as you can hear from the guy in the video, it is perceived to be the day that Norooz was established by Jamshid shah according to Shahnameh and Iranian mythology. If you don't like it or you don't buy it then so be it! In other words, who cares! The main thing is that "Norooz" is an Iranian event which is tightly linked with Iranian culture and nationalism, whether the story of Jamshid shah is accurate or not, it is besides the point. So, as you can see, Iranians have decided to turn down the Islamic identity which has been imposed on them and this trend is growing very fast, thanks to growing awareness and availability and abundance of easy means of communication.

To Q(the non-Iranian hezbollahi)

Can we have one day in Iran, where we celebrate Iranian heritage? Noruz is not babylonian, assyrian, or arab, it is purely Iranian by all accounts.

Of course we can not, because damn muslims have such inferior complex, such disdain from anything free, happy, and non muslim that they must Islamicize it! I might not agree with this guy, but I tell you if he belongs to the past, certainly, Islam with all its irrationality belongs to the past as well. I don't see you railing about Iranians getting stoned to death.

I rather celebrate a 4000 years old culture of happiness, joy, celebration of life that is my own(whether perceived or real) than celebrate a 1500 years old culture of death, mourning that I KNOW is not mine. Now, go kill, or wound yourself with a sword over some degenerate punk incompetent teenager who could not feed or water his 72 soldiers. Go mourn him and let us Iranians celebrate our Nowruz and Mehregans. Proud to be a fire worshiper here. Beats killing people over cartoons any day.

How did the Calendar .....

When Shah was in power he changed the calendar to a year around 2500 or so. Now according to these clowns it is 3700 or so. How did the calendar get advanced by about 1000 years in less than 30 years? Please help. Are these clown living in an imaginary world like their politics?

I'm just SHOCKED at Zion!

Dear Zion, this was very expected. You have becoming an amusing legend!!!

Whenever there is anything about religion you appear like "jenne boo dadeh" to say why Islam is wrong and Jewish is good. Please don't confuse IRI which we hate with Islam which is our faith. I don't know what you are talking about.

I think you were talking about Q. In this case I agree. He did not say that Islam is superior. Just a influence on our culture like Christianity on so many other nations. We should respect all parts of our own culture.

Islamist Apologists

Certain Islamist apologists here are trying restlessly to confuse cultural and ideological matters together. They recite mutual cultural influences of different nations on each other, which is correct and does add to every culture`s richness, in order to wrongly defend the demand the continuation of ideological belief in a set of dogmas and to prevent any natural change in any custom that preserves that ideological dominance. It is a futile Orwellian attempt of course.
An example from Persian history itself shows why. The Mongolian invasion of Persian and the Middle East brought with it many cultural influences in form of customs and art in the Persian life. It is correct to argue that seen as cultural customs they enrich the culture, but that cultural aspects does not demand any submission to Mongol religous practices, practices that might very well have been the origins of those cultural customs in the beginning but that have no relevance in modern times anyway. The same can be said about customs originating initially from a set of Islamo-arab beliefs. You can still advocate preserving their cultural aspects, but to use this to argue for the continuation of any specific religious belief and of submission of already existing deep rooted original cultural traits to imitate such beliefs and to necessarily include them for ideological purposes is not only wrong, but ultimately evil. It is the wolf of inquisition posing under the sheep mask of multiculturalism.
Shame on those who want to keep their people in the religious dark ages by any means. They can`t win under freedom. Free humans are free to chose what traditions they want to follow and what set of dogmas they choose to deny. Therefore they will ultimately lose, because freedom is man`s birthright (even for those under Islam! )

Happy Nourus and happy Purim everyone.
חג שמח
Chag Sameach.

Non-Iranian calendar

Why should Iran'd year be 1386? It's not an Iranian calendar.

Kamangir

ha ha ha go get job

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I think that's the picture of a movie star. I don't recall the name, but I'm sure I've seen that person in a movie. Is it Damon Waynes?

No Islam in Noroz celebration, please

It does not matter whether Mohammad went from Mediana or from california to somewhere else. The important thing is that we Iranians are not Arabs and we should not consider such a crap as an Iranian matter, for god's sake we are not Arabs and we were forced to convert to Islam. let us be Iranian and have a Perisan Noroz.

To: Q

you can pu koran in your haft sin as long as you want but you can't tell others to do it too. many have got sick of your koran and now want something else which is more related to their true culture and true historical and national identity, is ther a problem? at some point in the history Iranian started putting koran in their haft sin, so what? it is now another point in the history and people have right to make chices for their cultural traditions and if it includes throwing koran away from haft sin, it's their culture, their choice!

First day of Norooz is the

First day of Norooz is the beginning of Spring...has nothing to do with Khayam or Mohammad.

Who the heck is Arman Nouri?

Dear Ali P.

To follow up on your comment, consider this:

Was March 21st the day the prophet went to Medinah?  A coincidence?  What?  

Khayyam did some calcualtions and devised the calendar as we use it today. How did the 1st day of No-Rooz happened to be the day Mohammad left for Medinah?  Someone please help.  Am I missing something here?  Did Khayyam fudge the data?   

To Q

Iran was established by Persians(cyrus the great was the founder of the Persian empire) and has its uniqe culture and a very proud history. What's your problem with the glory of Perisan empire? why don't you educate yourself about the Persian history and its progressive civilized culture? You should know that we Persians were forced to convert to Islam and your Islam and its Arab and Turkic(Az) butchers have killed many Persians to establish an Ahriman religion which you introduced as a part of Iranian identity. Noroz is Persian and we do not need to add something from Arab-turkic culture into it. Q, You are not Iranian, then go and find some pan-turkic website to chat with your own........

بهترین

بهترین لغتی که بیاد میاورم، "بر ما مگوزید" است

lol khodaaast!! baba damet

lol khodaaast!!

baba damet garm, kheyli toopi.

akhe mardak, iranihaye aseel in tipi migashtan? khodeto mesle dalghake europayeeha lebas be tan kardi?

bazam damet garm, ma kheyli feyz bordim!! lol.

To: Gol-dust

...maybe it is, ..maybe it ain't!

Concenrate on my message.

Happy Norooz!

:-)

Yours,

Ali P.

to Q

With someone else in bashing the core and founder of Iranian civilization and culture and Pride(Persians), then every Iranian should be pride of his/her uniqe culture to have invoked such jealousy in likes of Q. Even the enemies of Iran praises Persian culture with utmost admiration and respect, the admiration and respect that you disdain, the Iran-born non-Iranain. Good for you pseudo-iranian, to be anti-Iranian. I leave it to you pan-turk to pop up whenever there's an opportunity to bash Perisian culture and history. Koran is written by an Arab with jerky hands about 1500 years ago. Even today its satanic verses are used to hang, stone and cut people's limbs in Iran. And you suggest that we should include such a crap in our traditional Noroz haftseen. Don't forget that we Iranian were forced and still are forced to practice this backward religion. We true Iranian love our culture and the Persian history and we are in our heart Zoroastarian(Zartoshtis). If you don't like it just leave and go to your fatherland(Turkey) and leave us alone.

Ali, is this your own photo?

Just wondering!

Talk about "living in the past", how rediculous and absurd...

Iran, like every single other country on the face of the earth has influences and traditions from multiples sources. We put the Koran in the haft-seen table, we say the Islamic prayers during sal-tahveel and we use the holy Hajj as the starting year. Hajj is based on a real historial event unlike the BS this guy in the video is talking about. We also use Indian numerals for math, and the Portoguese word "Rial" as our currency. We have many influences from Europe, Russia and Asia. Unless one is obsessed with racial purity, this is not a problem.

Almost no country on earth is practicing a purely native religion and religion, being a big part of life, has its own cultural influences. Examples are plenty: Greece, England, Egypt, Mexico, Italy, Armenia, etc...

Should all these countries change their calendars to some "national" event? Should they all reject "foreign" religious and cultural influences? Wouldn't that take away from the richness of their identity?

Islam is part of Iranian identity. I know it's not popular to say this around here but it is the truth. And as usual truth gets trashed by loud-mouths and bigots on this site.

A group of extremely arrogant and chauvunistic "Persians" are under the mistaken impression that Islam is not part of Iran, and can be easily seperated from our national identity. These purity-obsessed people who usually accuse Muslims of living 1400 years in the past, don't see the irony of trying to live 4000 years in the past.

What's more, they never acknowledge our cultural influence from pre-Persian civilizations like Sumer, Akkad, Assyrian and Babylon whose symbols and architecture found their way into the Persian Empire that came much later. If you want to be fair about it, many "Persian" traditions are not even Persian in origin.

Thats why I consider these discussions useless. Our culture is rich and diverse and we should celebrate all aspects of it. People who do dwell on this crap are happy to ignore the real problems facing Iranians.

What do you suggest?

We celebrate Norooz, as the first day of spring, as a truely Iranian new year, but the start of our calendar , is when Mohammad went from Mecca to Medina!

 What does this event have to do with us?

 What event should be the start of OUR calendar?

huh???

say what??? :)))

My prediction is that 30

My prediction is that 30 years from now, he will be delivering the same message ... :-)