Khomeini: Iran-Iraq War

Speech after Iraq's invasion of Iran in September 1980

21-Sep-2008
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Kaveh Nouraee

Panhandler

by Kaveh Nouraee on

The only shame that I see is people like yourself who glorify this degenerate murderer.

"Common subjects"? That's nothing but a politically correct term for the uneducated, the unenlightened, the uninformed.

Don't speak of double standards, while you are enjoying the freedoms associated with living in the West.


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The present scenario

by Panhandler (not verified) on

Ayatollah Khomeini was a great leader of a great homegrown revolution - not a so-called 'revolution' constructed by the Western imperialists for grabbing oil as it happened in Iraq. And while world leaders and mainstream Western medias may insult President Ahmedinejad, the fact is that the common subjects world over salute him for his honesty, courage and forthright spirit upholding justice and fairplay.

It is truly shameful that many Iranian dissidents who fled the revolution haven't still come to terms with the change which majority of the Iranian people opted for in 1979. These traitorous Iranian-Americans are still dreaming that some day they will bring back the brutal regime of the tyrannical & corrupt Shah with all its imperialistic glamor and double-standards. In the process, they would go to any extent to demonise their country with financial incentives from propagandist lobbies in the US and Europe. What a SHAME!


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Mehran, I completely

by smhb (not verified) on

Mehran,

I completely disagree with you on a number of issues.

First of all the entire African continent suffers from neo-colonial and imperial intervention and domination. The social, political, economical and cultural evolution of these countries has been badly hampered and outright destroyed by western intervention. You can look at South / Latin America as another example of destructive nature of imperial policies pursued by the west.

I certainly agree with the premise that Iran like the rest of the countries can only benefit and improve by establishing a broad cooperative and friendly foreign policy and I think they are doing that and actually Iran's foreign policy has been very successful.

To be sure, IRI is not perfect but it certainly has accomplished alot and I for one will refuse to ignore facts and pass a biased judgement. I believe being fair and honest in our assessment is critical at least if we dont want to fool ourselves.

As far as Israel is concerned please dont use zionists as a model since they are whole heartedly rejected by the great majority of planet. Unless you think american, british, french and german support for zionists constitutes morality and represents the majority of the world, which I completely disagree.

What Iran has accmplished in the last 30 years is very difficult to fathom and accept for a lot of our country men who for one reason or another left the country during the last 30 years believing that Iran was on a path to nowhere but complete anarchy, destruction and ......... And a lot of them also thought of themselves as experts and outright expressed the notion that with us not being there the wheels of civilization in Iran will come to a complete halt. Such fantasies and delusions but not surprising when examining our persian mindset and culture!!!

With all due respect most of us residing outside of teh country have been very wrong in our assessment far too long and its time for us to start seeing things a bit more clearly and realize and undestand our place.

Most probably you, me and a good portion of the Iranians living outside of the country will live the rest of our days still clinging to our fantasies and feed our children, friends, coworkers, husbands, wifes and etc.. our distorted views and wishes.

Do remember that a lot of Iranians for a variety of reasons fed the americans and other foreign powers the same distorted BS, and even these guys have wised up to the true character of exiled Iranians mindset and islamophobia.

just wait a few more years and things will be very clear. Time has an interesting way of resolving things and clarifying events.

in the meantime the people of Iran, I mean those that live there, work there, struggle with the daily issues and hardships, those who fought for Iran's independence and integrity will decide what happens, how it happens and when it happens no matter what we think or wish. And thats how things work!!!


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No country can be shackled any more smbh

by Mehran-001 (not verified) on

I think it is wrong to imagine that in the 21st century any country can impose it's will on others. Just look at what is going on in Afghanistan and how difficult it is for the U.S. just to clean the place up. Imagine if you ever decide to own it.

IRI is not a model that should be followed by any civilized nation. The nature and core of IRI is destructive and it is an ugly theocratic dictatorship of the worst kind. Why can't we follow the model of India and put all these slogans aside and work toward a better future. Look at how effective Israel is in receiving help from other nations. It is time to make friends and to remember that the end of the day all nations will work toward their self interest. IRI is setting Iran back into oblivion and it has to stop. Don't believe for a moment that anyone in the world is seeing IRI model as their solution to their problem.


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Mehran, I dont support the

by smhb (not verified) on

Mehran,

I dont support the notion of Iran being an empire. Wrong concept. The time and era of empires has passed.

However I do support the notion that Iran has broken the colonial and imperial chain and shackles imposed on it during the last 200 years and is on the road to becoming a very powerful country that can contribute to the liberation of other shackled people and help rewrite history. Whether one calls that a superpower or something else is of no significance to me.


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Don't count on it SMBH

by Mehran-001 (not verified) on

Iran can not be an Empire and neither other countries. It cost too much and takes too much, don't go around and believe whatever you hear.


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by smhb (not verified) on


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Khomeini movie

by Mehran-001 (not verified) on

A lot of movies are also made about the dear leader of North Korea as how great he is and how he was born through super natural causes in the mountains of Korea. So what, none of it is true. The history will remember what a rascal Khomeini was and what atrocities he committed no matter how many movie you make. Stalin also made a lot of movies but at the end he could not hide his true evil.


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Imam Khomayni

by Jamshid Niavarani (not verified) on

There is a new film being made about Ayat'Allah Ruh'Allah Moosavi Khomayni. When the world fought Iran in the unjust Iran-Iraq War, Imam Khomayni stood up to the world and won.

The site for reading about the new movie about the Great leader of Iran is:
//tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=179268


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//www.alternet.org/audit

by smhb (not verified) on


Kaveh Nouraee

SMHB

by Kaveh Nouraee on

By manufacturing some baseless theory of "racial antipathy", you are continuing to prove that your position is utterly flawed.

Before you even dare to accuse me of launching an assault on Islam, indirect or otherwise, you first have to acknowledge that this Indian you revere and the rest of the IRI are nothing more than common thugs and gangsters, who use Islam as a front for their activities. Otherwise, this debate has absolutely nothing to do with Islam. So, argue the issue on the original facts only.

The literacy rate is NOT over 90% in Iran. Your data is way off. You clearly are relying on IRI propaganda.

There's a simple mathematical reason for the university population in Iran. The population of the country doubling, with close to half of that increased population being of college age, and fewer people being allowed to leave Iran to complete their higher education, as so many did in the 1960s and 1970s.

These infrastructure projects you speak of are all from the time of the monarchy. The airport named after the Indian was planned while he was still in exile. As were the hosptals and roads.

These people who you say defended Iran from foeign aggressors did so at gunpoint. The guns were pointed at them by so called Iranians. So your willingness theory is worthless as well.

No one will mess with Iran anymore? Re-word it. Iran IS a mess, thanks to the IRI.

Make a note to yourself: Don't try and twist statistics on me. You won't succeed.

Also, as you are so enamored of the IRI's feats, why aren't you there?


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Kaveh, You are really

by smhb (not verified) on

Kaveh,

You are really missing the point. The slurs you use point to a racial antipathy towards arabs. It also can be considered as an indirect assault on Islam.

First of all there is nothing you can do about the fact that Iranians are predominantly a muslim nation, 98%.

Second I would really suggest that you take a close look at where we were and where we are now.

Over 50% of our university students are female. With the explosion of population from 35 mil in 1978 to 70 mil in 2008 the illitracy rate has dropped to below 10%.

When the Shah left power Irans university population was less that 50,000. Today we have a university body that boasts over 2.5 million students.

Masive infrastructure projects have been completed, from roads, to schools, to hospitals, to ports, to airports, and etc.....

Those you insult and curse are the ones who defended Iran in the face of a broad based foreign aggression and unfortunately with the suport of some Iranians, by giving their lives and limbs and they did it gladly and willingly.

The fact that we have an Iran that is powerful and independent is due to their sacrifices.

Could things be better? Ofcourse they can be. From economy to human rights, to the way we as citizens deal with each other and etc....... But thats a gradual process and it will take another generation or two.

The important thing from a historical context is that no one will mess with Iran any more, thanks to the IRI. And thats a fact.

//www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20...


Kaveh Nouraee

Thanks for the link

by Kaveh Nouraee on

It's a good article.

But I'm not going to glorify that Indian for even one millisecond. As much as the events of 1953 are a dark chapter, from 1979 onward, it's the "black hole". The two periods do not even compare.

If anything, it proves that Iran, at least in 1979-1980, was not ready for any type of democracy whatsoever. In 1953, it was the British and the US screwed Iran. 1979, it was this Indian, with his Arabparast mindset. As imperfect as the monarchy was, it was replaced by something far worse. The British and the US are foreign powers. For a foreign power to do this Iran is bad enough. But for so-called Iranians to do this their own is far worse.

Anyone who tries to deny that is patently delusional and terminally stupid.


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A review of history is

by smhb (not verified) on

A review of history is always a good thing for those of us that seem to either not remember or decide to ignore it.

Eventhough it was written by a foreigner there are plenty of historical accuracies to refresh our collective memory.

//www.smithsonianmag.com/people-places/iran-f...


Kaveh Nouraee

I'm wide awake...how about you?

by Kaveh Nouraee on

You are the one who is using the word "popular". I don't give a damn about popularity either.

Yes, we were respected. We were looked upon as an inherently decent group of people with decent values. After 1979, we have been labeled with every negative connotation imaginable. And I'm not talking about what either the media or Washington thought. I'm talking about society in general.

Maybe you don't see that, but that's ok. I don't know how long you have been in the US, nor does it matter. Chances are pretty good that it's not as long as I have been here.

And what's with you bringing up Egypt, Bolivia and Venezuela? What do they have to do with this conversation? I thought we're talking about Iran. Iran isn't in Northeastern Africa or South America last I checked. If it is, I want a refund on the money I spent on my atlas.

Bolivia's primary resource is cocaine. And Venezuelans are already getting sick and tired of that idiot Chavez.

Before you decide to label me or anyone else as delusional, re-read what they write to make sure you fully understand the context.

Someone might think you're paranoid.


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Dear Kaveh

by smhb (not verified) on

Your respone is exactly what I was trying to address. Thanks for making it easy for all to see.

First of all to be accepted by imperialists and zionists is no glory. I dont think anyone with a little understanding of history would ever say such a thing. Its like saying that I live in a neighborhood and the mob loves me and they leave me alone as long as I serve them. If I start putting up a fight they will break my arms, threaten my family and ruin mu business. Thats your logic.

The fact that a bunch of fools in the western media poke fun at Iran, Iranians, and the Iranian leaders dont mean anything. And if that is a criteria for you then so be it. Personally I really dont give a hoops about what these monkeys think or say. We are not in a popularity contest.

Are you that self delusional that you actually think we were respected, admired and popular at the time of the Shah? The Egyptians who are under total imperial control are very popular these days. Waite till they have a major change and you will see for yourself how things change overnite and their popularity sinks.

What about Bolivia? Venezuela? and .............

As long as they were under imperial control and were a military base for the imperialists and their natural resources was being plundered by the corporations they were very popular in washington and the western press. Now that they have decided to be on their own they are being mocked, ridiculed, threatened and ......

Please wake up.


Kaveh Nouraee

SMHB

by Kaveh Nouraee on

What I, for one, see clearly is an individual who singlehandedly bamboozled an entire nation of approximately 45-50 million into believing he was their salvation.

He is singularly responsible for Iran's socio-economic, cultural and political regression to a point from which she will have extreme difficulty recovering, if she should ever recover at all.

He is singularly responsible for sending countless men, women and children to their deaths, for a variety of "reasons", with kangaroo courts, and trials with outcomes that were predetermined before formal charges were even filed. Let's not forget the plastic "keys to paradise" given to the grieving parents of small children blown to pieces too small to be recognized, let alone buried in a grave, as a token of their "martyrdom".

We don't hold on to the era of the Shah because things were "fine and dandy". We hold on, as you say, because as Iranians, we can be proud of who we were, where we came from and what we were about. We were admired, and most of all, we were respected. We are now a third rate third world country that has been surpassed by countries like India and South Korea and even Vietnam in economic growth and stability.

Remember, the T-shirts that were real popular in 1979-1980? It had a picture of Mickey Mouse flipping the bird with the caption "F**K IRAN" on it.

Well, that's exactly what he did. He f**ked Iran.

Our personal grievances and interests are a direct result of and  reaction to those national policies and actions. The interests of the IRI are not on par with the interests of the Iranian people or the Iranian nation. They're not even close.

You cannot argue with these historical facts.

Good luck to you as well.


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Khomeini

by smhb (not verified) on

Gentlemen,

In my dealings with my fellow Iranian countrymen I have observed that most of us are bound to emotional judgement when it comes to social and political issues realting to Iran. To compound that even further we mix our family and personal interests and mistakenly equate our personal grievances and interests with national policies and actions and interests. The two are not the same.

There are historical facts that whether we like it or not, we can not brush aside and ignore. Its high time that we who have been living outside of Iran realize this and see things clearly. Holding on to the era of the Shah because our families were doing fine and dandy is no substitute for rational thinking.

Those of you who truely consider yourself as nationalist Iranians who like to see a glorious Iran please pull back and look at facts and bring to the discussion something of value. Unfortunately I dont see that at the present time.

Good luck to all.


Kaveh Nouraee

Fair

by Kaveh Nouraee on

I echo your sentiments 100%


Fair

Nationalist my A**

by Fair on

Khomeini is the most countryless leader at the helm of Iran, up there with the Arabs and Mongols and Seluki Greeks.

This is a man who on the way to his country aboard an Air France plane said when asked what he feels coming back to his country:

"NOTHING"

When he came back, he took control of the government despite promising to retreat to religious teaching in Ghom. He took away whatever rights Iranians had, and accepted veto power over every aspect of Iranian life. He took American diplomats hostage, threatened the Persian Gulf regimes with overthrow, called for the export of the Islamic Revolution, the destruction of Israel, and destroyed the officer corps of the Iranian armed forces. And now he has the gall to cry when he is invaded.

As far as I am concerned, Khomeini and Saddam are both equal enemies of Iran. He had wreckless policies from day one, spoke big and carried a small stick, and our young generation paid the price. DEARLY.

The fact that so many Iranians here praise him now, 28 years later, shows how screwed up we are and how hard it is going to be for us to reclaim our nation and build it into one which fits into the 21st century. You should be ashamed of yourselves, I am disgusted that my countrymen utter such words.

 

FAIR

 

 


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Khomeini

by smhb (not verified) on

As a student of history, specially of contemporary Iranian history starting from Agha Mohammad khan Qajar, one thing is clear to me:

Ayatollah Khomeini was a brave and highly foresighted revolutionary leader by all standards, someone who lead a peaceful and popular movement against a regime backed by foreign powers who had dominated Iranian political, economical and military sphere from Fathali Shah to Mohammed Reza Shah Pahlavi.

The price Iran and Iranians paid was and continue to pay is very heavy but its obvious that if a country wants independence from imperialists and zionist domination then they ahve to be prepared to pay the price. Iranians made that choice and as we can all see today its the first time in 200 years that Iran is able to navigate a very dangerous international situation with deft diplomacy backed by military progress and power and enhance its position and influence and power.

On the domestic side things are not perfect by any stretch of imagination partly due to external pressures and partly due to dogmatic religeous views from the right that has a narrow interpretation of Islam that makes life difficult for no valid reason.

All and all Iran has done very well in the last 30 years and based on that its very clear to the unbiased observer that Iran will be a global power within 5 to 10 years barring any unforseen events.


Kaveh Nouraee

LMAO

by Kaveh Nouraee on

Someone who posts under multiple names thinking no one will catch on is recommending psychiatric help? Now THAT'S funny.

I AM Iranian, unlike you. I don't speak for anyone but myself. What others think is of zero importance to me. And that includes what you think, no matter what name you are posting under.

So, why don't you show me where I insulted Iran or Iranians, otherwise shut up.

I'm done with you and all of your "personalities".


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Kaveh, you act like you talk for all Iranians

by Jamshid Niavarani (not verified) on

Kaveh,
You don't talk or write for 70 million Iranians.
And your bogus writing about Ayat'Allah Khomayni are lies. You should stop insulting Iran and Iranians. You need to get psychiatric help. Imam Khomayni was a Real Iranian. He was a great fighter for freedom in Iran.


Kaveh Nouraee

Koroosh Savaadkoohi

by Kaveh Nouraee on

Or should I say, John Carpenter?

You are not even being remotely funny. Give it up. You are so exposed, you'll catch pneumonia.

These rumors as you call them are, in fact, verified fact.

Ruhollah Moussavi Hendi was born in Iran, but he was of Kashmiri Indian blood. Regardless of his place of birth, his DNA cannot be disputed.

Your assertion that he was the George Washington of Iran is an insult to George Washington. Washington freed the colonies from the British, while this degenerate criminal you admire managed to singlehandedly imprisoned Iran.

If you are such a "proud Iranian" as you say you are, you and all of your other screen names would see what this animal did for what it was and still is: treason.

No, I don't harbor any such perverted predilections towards poultry or other livestock. However, seeing as your hero wrote about it, the sole conclusion that can be drawn is that he at least studied the matter in detail, if not actually partaking in such acts. The same can be said for his other paraphiliac behaviors, including children. He wrote and lectured often on the matter. As some one who reveres him as you do, you should know about this in greater detail than I would. Frankly, it's disgusting.

I'm not concerned with where you live. You are unlikely to be truthful regardless.

As to your claim that I am insulting Iran, the answer is: NO. That position has been filled by the IRI, their supporters and the likes of you, malignant parasites who are all traitors to the Iranian nation and the Iranian people.


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wow wow!

by Anonymous wow! (not verified) on


Khomayni like George Washington overthrew a dictator.

Do you really believe that? How can you live 6 months in iran and not see the harm desperation that this animal caused iran and iranians. BTW, the latest (suppressed) poll that I saw was that IRI had 14% approval in iran.

I am curious as to the source of your fanaticism with this ugly beast. Is it religious-based? It can't be based on any sort of patriotism only if you bother to look at his hand-written order to clean out prisons in 1988, murdering thousands of young iranians in a single year, something that shah the dictator did not do in his entire rule.

Maybe shah was a dictator, but he turned out to be a petty dictator (and a petty thief and a petty murderer) compared to these monsters.

Khomeini was the true face of a charlatan beast (aka khar dajjal).


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Kaveh, why are you insulting Iran?

by Koroosh Savaadkoohi (not verified) on

Kaveh,
Why are you insulting Iran?
Imam Khomayni was born in Khomayn.
All these rumors about Kashmir have been proven to be lies.
Khomayn is in the Markazi Province of Iran.
I don't know why you have so much animosity towards the "George Washington" of Iran.
As Iranians, we should be proud of being Iranian.
Khomayni like George Washington overthrew a dictator.

I have never read about Khomayni writing about sex with chickens but, it seems you are very interested in the matter, since you read about it. Do you like chickens?

By the way, I live in Niavaran, Iran, 6 months of the year and I live in Manhattan the other 6 months of the year.

Who lives outside Iran? Khomayni supporters? Get real, if all the supporters lived outside Iran, then there would be no supporters in Iran and the government would fall.

30 years of existance shows that Khomayni is still popular in the hearts and minds of real Iranians.


Q

Zion, you have lost the ability to think

by Q on

and now only respond in knee jerk reactions and accusations. Words apparently don't have any meaning other than being evidence for your fascist accusations. Oh no someone said Khomeini's words were "correct"!!! Call homeland security!!!

Unlike you, most Iranians know when to call a spade a spade, praise when praise is due and criticize when criticism is called for. A total propaganda tool, on the other hand, cannot be nuanced in their thinking. You will never understand what we went through as a nation during the war and you will never understand Iranians. Maybe you should hit the road and find another website to monitor, this one is above your pay grade.

So Q, you still want to deny you are an IRI apologist living in US? It sure explains your rabid anti-semitism or the constant, almost psychopathic anger you show all over this site.

Wow, how increadibly original of our Zionist friend!!! Throw in antisemetism when-ever possible to inflate the basic fascist minded accusation. "Psychopath" usually refers to people who refuse to see reality and live in a conspiracy concoction of their own making, isn't it?

Do you deny that you are here only to attack Iran and defend Israel? Do you deny that you systematically spend hours combing this site for mentions of Israel and Jew, so you can "answer" any comment in accordance to Tel-Aviv public relations policy? Do you deny that you have in the past, and you are now, stalking me (that's like a psychopath) in a desperate attempt to get people to not read what I write and instead focus on your BS, childish and rediculusly obvious character assassinations?

Why really are you living here?
Why really are you living here? Who the hell are you to ask this question, anyway? You, who don't even have enough guts to use your real name are giving tips about living arrangements? You think this is West Bank where teenage ideological psychopaths are given guns, a uniform and control over a whole population's lives and they let that go their head as if they have a "right" to jack squad? Who do you think you are?


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My dear compatriots why

by Fatollah (not verified) on

My dear compatriots why complain!


Kaveh Nouraee

Keep It Up

by Kaveh Nouraee on

Keep on trying to delete the truth. How disgusting it is that phonies hiding behind multiple pseudonyms get a free pass to spread their garbage, but when someone dares to expose them for the charletans they are, it gets censored.

Or was it perhaps due to the fact that I raised the fact that Ruhollah Moussavi Hendi's wrote about subjects like bestiality, including the sodomization of a chicken, and who could eat that chicken afterwards.

Be offended if you wish, but not with me. I couldn't make this up if I tried.

Be offended that our country was destroyed by this non-Iranian animal. Be offended that this criminal is solely and directly responsible for the deaths of countless Iranians. Real Iranians, not Indians masquerading as them.

His mother was Kashmiri Indian and so was his paternal grandfather. By that token he was not Iranian. His family called him a seyed but there is no evidence that he was, nor could there be, as there is still lingering doubt to this day of who is actual father was. Claims were made that his father was killed by Reza Shah, but that's a bold-faced lie, as the death predates Reza Shah's ascension to the throne by 25 years or so.

Be offended by the likes of people who have the nerve to call themselves Iranian and who, after 30 years of Iran and Iranians living through pure hell, still have the audacity to lavish praise on him and say khoda biamorz.

And by the way, they all live outside of Iran.


Jaleho

A Visionary Genius

by Jaleho on

Who pulled the disarrayed public with a calming speech at a most critical point in Iran's history.


He had a peculiar way with the Iranian masses and could collect a popular army in the shortest time to defend Iran's integrity. And that, in the most unique war of the century in which for the first time the west and east colluded against Iranian revolution, chemical weapons were used against Iran with western sanction, UN was proven to be the most unfair political tool of the US against Iran, and the heavy Arab finances backed Iraq too.

Every important sentence he's saying is proven as miraculously prophetic with the passage of 30 years, with revealing of documents which were sealed before, and with the outcome of events in Iraq. The fall of Zionism and current undoing of the US of A as the sole great power will be Khomeini's next prophetic revelation.