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So what?

What Mohammad Reza Pahlavi did to Hoveyda

In an effort to slow down the momentum of the revolution, the shah was advised by many of his surrounding cohorts to arrest Hoveida, using him as a scapegoat for the past-ills of the crumbling regime. On November 7, 1978, Hoveida was arrested by order of the monarch. He would be held under house arrest in an upper-Tehran residence often affiliated with SAVAK activity. Once Mohammad Reza Shah fled the country, the SAVAK agents assigned with the task of guarding Hoveida, absconded from their posts, leaving Hoveida open to arrest by revolutionary forces.

[edit] Trial and execution
Sadeq Khalkhali
Sadeq Khalkhali

After surrendering to Dariush Forouhar, a member of the revolution's Provisional Government, Hoveida was taken to the Refah School, a temporary headquarters for the revolution's vanguard. Because of the shah's departure, Hoveida had become the most prized prisoner of the old regime. On March 15, 1979, he would face the newly established revolutionary court for the first time. Sadeq Khalkhali, who would come to be known as the 'Hanging Judge' for his whimsical approach to revolutionary justice, would head the tribunal that had assembled to try the former Prime Minister. Traditional conventions of the judiciary had all but been abandoned during the trials of Hoveida and countless others. Among many of the anomalous traits personified by the trial, the Islamic court ignored notions of due process, impartiality of the judge, allowing the defendant to consult legal options. Many pundits have come to conclude that the verdict was already made by the likes of Ayatollah Khomeini before the trial ever commenced. Abbas Milani, in his book The Persian Sphinx, translates Khalkhali's indictment of Hoveida:

Amir Abbas Hoveyda, son of Habibollah, birth certificate number 3542, issued in Tehran, born in 1295 (1917), previously minister of the deposed royal court, and the Shah's ex-Prime Minister, a citizen of Iran, is accused of:

1. Spreading corruption on earth.
2. Fighting God, God's creatures and the Viceroy of Imam Zaman.
3. Acts of sedition detrimental to national security and independence, through forming cabinets that were puppets of the United States and England and defending the interests of colonialists.
4. Plotting against national sovereignty by interference in elections to Majlis (Parliament), appointing and dismissing ministers at the behest of foreign embassies.
5. Turning over underground resources: oil, copper and uranium, to foreigners.
6. Expansion of the influence of American Imperialism, and its European allies, in Iran by destroying internal resources and turning Iran into a market for foreign commodities.
7. Paying national revenues from oil to Shah and Farah and to countries dependent on the West and then borrowing money at high interest, and enslaving conditions from America and Western countries.
8. Ruining agriculture and destroying forests.
9. Direct participation in acts of espionage for the West and Zionism.
10. Complicity with conspirators from CENTO and NATO for the oppression of the peoples of Palestine, Vietnam and Iran.
11. Active member of Freemasonry in the Foroughi Lodge according to existing documents and the confessions of the accused.
12. Participation in terrorizing and frightening the justice seeking people including their death and injury and limiting their freedom by closing down newspapers and exercising censorship on the print media and books.
13. Founder and first secretary of the despotic “Rastakhiz of the Iranian People” party.
14. Spreading cultural and ethical corruption and direct participation in consolidating the pillars of colonialism and granting capitulatory rights to Americans.
15. Direct participation in smuggling heroin in France along with Hassan Ali Mansour.
16. False reporting through the publication of puppet papers and appointing puppet editors to head the media.
17. According to minutes of cabinet meetings and of the Supreme Economic Council, and the claims of private plaintiffs, including Dr. Ali-Asghar Hadj-Seyyed-Djavadi, and taking into account documents found in SAVAK and the office of the prime minister, and the confessions of Dr. Manouchehr Azmoun, Mahmoud Jafarian, Parviz Nick-khah, and the confessions of the accused, since the commission of the crimes is certain, the prosecutor of the Islamic Revolutionary Court asks the court to issue the judgment of the death penalty and the confiscation of all your [Hoveyda's] property.

The composition of the trial's proceedings reflected the style in which the indictment was designed and promulgated. Many of the charges were never substantiated and often reflected uninvestigated rumours of the day. Abbas Milani agrees with this notion when he described the essence of the court's ambience:
“ It became clear that rules of evidence, notions of innocence until proven guilty, and a dispassionate judge, dispensing impartial judgments based on incontrovertible evidence, were all alien to this court … Gossip had the authority of fact, as evident in article fifteen of the indictment, and unsubstantiated rumours were taken as proof of guilt. ”

On April 7, 1979, Hoveida was transported to Qasr Prison, once a getaway palace for monarchs of the Qajar dynasty. Quickly shuffled back in front of Khalkhali's tribunal, he once again heard the court's indictment at three in the afternoon. There is some speculation as to who ordered the resumption of the trial. Bani Sadr, one among many leaders of the Provisional Revolutionary Government who advocated a public trial, states that only Khomeini himself had the authority to make such an order. Behind locked doors, Hoveida's fate, which had already been decided upon by Khomeini days earlier, was sealed. After final efforts at stalling his execution ended in failure, the ex-Prime Minister was taken into the prison's yard. Before reaching the area designated for firing squad executions, a man from behind pulled out a pistol and shot Hoveida twice in the neck. As he fell to the ground, a mercy shot was fired off, ending his life.

Hoveida's corpse was held in Tehran's morgue for several months after his execution, before it was secretly released to his immediate family and buried in Behesht-e Zahra cemetery in Tehran as an unknown deceased.

Following his execution, his residence in A.S.P. Towers was looted by revolutionaries. According to some witnesses he rarely had any items of luxury nature. His prized possessions were a rocking chair and a library of few hundred books.
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Amir Abbas Hoveyda was as great as Amirkabir

I am totally amazed and bloody disappointed about some of the unfair comments about Hoveyda.
Iran experienced piece, political stability and relative prospering economy under Hoveyda for 13 years. Those of us (such as carpenter 3) who did not have the luck to live in that period( because of age) should not open their mouth too wide and throw words which they do not understand. Shah was fully right when he said in his last interview that history would judge if his regime was good or bad.

Javid Shah

SETIZ ! in yeki ro khoob oomadi

I think it's better to leave delusional people alone, let them "seir" in their "haparoot"!

I'm sure you know the story of the plans that blind man had,  right? " hesaab haaye koor-e " !

P.S.  What other states in Iran would they give up this time if GOD forbid they're back again?

Correction...

Carpenter said:

Hopefully, Iran will one day be a 100% Democratic Republic with freedoms like Amsterdam.

Iran indeed looked like Amsterdam during Ghajar era, only that it was limited to the royal court who cared about nothing but the entertainment aspects of the city, hashish and hookers, within their royal harem, and cared less about the rest of the country as if it did not exist. That is why Carpenter a ghajar descendent wished it back.

Fortunately for the rest of iran, a commonly man by the name of Reza Shah the Great ruined their H2O (Hashish, Hookers, and O.....) set-up. That is why some are so upset and vocal against pahlavis, as now they have no place to go but Amsterdam for their desirous activities.

Farrad,

 It's me, Cousin Rosie.  I'm sorry to tell you I don't understand that much Persian and I've lost my dictionary too. 24's post is about as far as I go these days. So please repost in English if there's really something important to say. I've said all I have to say, which is: If you have any  complaints about how the site is run e-mail Jahanshah directly  But don't get your hopes up.  When he doesn't reply or do anything about it, blog it.  Then he will see it and reply.  As will others.  Which is good.

 What else is there to say?

Cheers, Rosie

To: Rosie T or whoever you are

شما مغلطه خوب بلدی! اگه نمیدونی مغلطه یعنی چه؟ برو لغت نامه نگاه کن!

من نوشتم که از طرق مختلف یه مسوول این سایت نوشتم که این سیستم رو درست کن و ترتیب اثر نداده! این شکایت هم ربطی به مذهبی بودن یا نبودن کامنت ها نداره. با اینکه اون افرادی که حق پاک کردن کامنت دارند (از طرف جهانشاه) حتما با انگیزه ای کامنت ها رو پاک میکنند! که به هر حال چون مسوولیت این کارشون نهایتا با ج ج  هست ایشون باید ببینه "چرا" کامنت ها پاک میشه یا حداقل یه اصول و گایدلاینی بگذاره برای این کار! نهایتا ج ج  میدونه چیکار باید کرد ولی خوب شاید واقعا دیگه وقت بیشتر از این رو ندره!    باقیش دیگه بهانه است!

Kaveh

You made my day! That was too good!

Aakh dondoonesh !

Kaveh......That was a javaab-e dandoon shekan braaye Yahya najjaar-e sevvom !

Damet garm my friend.

John Carpenter III

Hopefully, Iran will one day be a 100% Democratic Republic with freedoms like Amsterdam.

What aspects of Amsterdam do you want Iran to emulate? The cannabis/hashish bars or the storefront hookers in the red light district? Both have their appeal......

Umm, John, or whatever your name is, Iran is a country. Amsterdam is a city. Amsterdam is the capital of The Netherlands. It is not a 100% Democratic Republic. Neither is the Netherlands. It is a parliamentary democracy and.......

dare I say it.....

a constitutional MONARCHY!!!!

Rosie

I was not seeking an apology, it's just that I feel so weary of 'you did... I did not's'.
But this is an open forum anyway...
Thanks for being mannerly to offer it.

To 24 and others

Iou're right 24, I'm sorry the thread got messed up. It wasn't my intention. Of course it should be about Hoveyda.

But it's still very important for readers to understand that when they have an iissue about how the site is run, such as unfair deletions, they should e-mail jj and if they get no reply or aren't satisfied with the reply they should create a blog to post their concersns. The site is supposed to be run as community. And posting complaints on a thread won't do anything.

Again, sorry.
Rosie

Velemoon konid baro bache ha

Velemoon konid baro bache ha... da'va ma'va nakonid digeh... khasteh shodim... khasteh raah ke hastim...
****
Khoda aghaye Hoveyda ro biamorzeh.
Raasti che bad joor gozasht, vali che zood gozasht in saal ha!

PS Majid

Majid, you posted nine comments today.

And you're complaining about how much I posted...

Don't answer. Just think about it.

Majid,

Oh, you're so sweet, Majid. And by the way, I'm NOT back, I'm just visiting. That's why I posted anonymously to the gentleman below to help him with his problem. You and he would make good friends. Why not talk to him instead of me? Next time you can't stand somebody, DON'T START A DIALOG.

Anyway, it was 1864 comments a day, not 1865. You're confusing my postings with the end of the Civil War. But I will still cherish your kind words until the day I die. And beyond.
Please don't answer.
Rosie

YES, this is my current picture!

You're back.....same reasoning, same vocabulary, same language , same attitude...... same ol' same ol'........!

YES, this is my current picture, I had to go back to this age to undersatand what you're saying, my dear! 

And I have one answer  and ONE answer only !

(((((((((((((((           KHAAMOOSHI           ))))))))))))))))))

Adios , go back in the closet now!  E  nuf  said

Questions for Majid

Majid. What reason have you figured out for my "poofing" into nothingness? Do you think it's because of people like the ones below who can be so ungrateful and stubborn? Or do you think I dropped from exhaustion posting those 1865 comments a day? And does 1865 have any special relationship to the end of the Civil and is that a current photo of you? And what would Hoveyda have to say about all this? :D

THERE YOU ARE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I knew it !

There was a reason you disappeared so suddenly from posting 1865 comments a day to  POOF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To Farrad PS Choobe, re JJ

Dear Farrad,

First of all, I find it objectionable that I posted you an in-depth reply and that instead of thanking me, you trashed me. In particular for being anonymous, while thanking your "friends" which, (1) are also anonymous, and (2) total exactly ONE person, Choobe Islaam, on two short posts.

Second, you assume that if you ask me who I am I won't tell you. That is not the case. My registered name is Rosie T. and you can find out all about me. I'm posting unregistered because I feel like it. Now, your other points:

1. I did not JUSTIFY anything JJ does. I was critical of JJ's not responding to e-mails and not making good on promises, such as his promise to clarify the moderation system.

2. Yes, JJ needs to address the complaint, but as I said, it is IMPOSSIBLE, no, DELUSIONAL, to expect him to read every thread on this site. Do what I TOLD you: e-mail him and then BLOG IT.

3. You say you have repeatedly proposed a solution to him but you STILL don't say how: by e-mail, by blogging, by posting on one of his blogs, or by posting on any ol' thread as you inist on doing?

4. What "junk"?

5. How can there be "a will to fix" things when you are getting to be like the character in Greek mythology--is it Sysiphus--rolling a rock up and down a hill for all eternity. How can display such technical intelligence and then...this?

6. Finally, were you complaining specifically about an anti-Islamic bias on JJ's part, as Choobe Islam is? You say he's "explaining" you but you never said that yourself. Why?

PS Now on to Choobe:

1. Hajiagha is not the voice of true Islam. IF he lived in a Shariah country, he would've been flogged for indecency long, long ago.

2. Whatever needs to be "exposed", DON'T EXPECT TO EXPOSE IT ON ANY OL' THREAD. Do what I told Farrad to do above. Don't form a secret cabal with Farrad buried here deep on the Hoveyda thread. It's useless.
Best regards,
Rosie

There is a simple SOLUTION; if anyone is listening!

Friends,

Thanks for responding and/or trying to explain what I was complaining about!

FIRST, it is amusing (if not puzzling) that totally unknown individuals are replying and trying to explain and possibly justify for JJ who is the one person who needs to read and address a legitimate complaint!

SECOND, I have repeatedly proposed the simplest solution to Jahanshah (or whoever is reading this junk for him now!). There could be a simple FEATURE added to the Iranian.com website system that (1) prompts the auditor who is deleting a comment to simply type the REASON for deleting a comment and (2) Display that stated REASON on Iranian.com (in place of the deleted comment) for everyone, including the comment author to see!  If this is NOT the ultimately desirable solution for everyone involved, then I'll be monkey's uncle!!!

And I'll make it even easier for JJ and his techie!! This website is either running on a Linux server or a Windows server. Either way, I can provide the program code that implements the added functionality that I am offering! (either in ASP - Microsoft - code of some kind or PHP - Linux - code of some kind)!

Bottom line: this can be easily fixed! But, is there a will to fix this? 

Silencing others

What you are saying D. is if someone doesn't like what someone is saying is to place an offensive reply and this way silence the first inoffensive voice as well.
Barikallah what a clever Iranian compromise.
Keep up the good work.

Deletions

My comments have been deleted as well a number of times. The voice of true Eslaam is being stifled on an arbitrary basis. Where is Haji Agha the voice of Eslaam and moderation when he is needed?

Censorship by JJ or other "moderators" needs to be exposed.

Deletions

Farrad,

I'm sure your post wasn't purposely deleted by anyone, JJ or a moderator.

It's possible you clicked on "reply" to another comment when you wrote yours. Unfortunately, if the comment you replied to was deemed offensive, when deleted yours would be too. Even if the one you replied to was not offensive, if it in turn was attached by "reply" to an earlier offensive comment, the whole string of comments would be deleted. It's very annoying. The solution is not to click on "reply" when you post.

If you didn't click on "reply", it is possible your comment was deleted by accident. It happens from time to time. All it takes is an accidental click of the mouse.

In any case, JJ has requested that all instances of unfair deletions be reported to him directly with specific details, as he is humaanly incapable of following what goes on on all the threads--he isn't Superman--and it is highly unlikely that he will see your question here. Actually he might see it this time since he may screen my own post but in general it is rather futile to pose such questions on the thread itself. Write to him about it at the "Contact us" section at the bottom of the home page.

Regarding your other concern, several months ago JJ said he would announce the identities of the moderators, but perhaps he needs to be reminded. And again, if you asked him about it on a thread rather than by contacting him directly, he most likely would not have seen your requests.

My best suggestion to you would be to write a blog on the necessity of explaining the selection process and identities of the moderators. Then JJ would be sure to see it and would quite possibly answer you right on your blog as he often does on blogs concerning the site's functioning. And other readers could get involved as well, which is always a good thing.

Have fun! :D

Jahanshah, WHY are comments being deleted for no reason?

Dear Jahanshah,

I posted a very civilized comment HERE under Hoveyda's video clip.

There was no bad words or even attacks on any factions or groups.

But my comment has been deleted!

WHY?

The only point I was making in my comment was that the current IRI leaders and statesmen should learn from Hoveyda's destiny!   Is this a point that should NOT be brought up on Iranian.com?  I would like to know which one of your comment reviewers saw it necessary to remove this point?

I have also asked in the past how the reviewers were selected and never heard an answer. This is important because obviously my comment is not something YOU (JJ) would delete. Which means YOU are not controlling these comment deletions; so I would like to know WHO is controlling it?

Thanks,

Farhad

An indictment

Exactly, it was the Shah who betrayed Hoveyda, by all accounts a loyal civil servant, and gave him up as a sacrificial lamb in the hope of saving his own skin.  The case of Hoveyda is an indictment of the Shah's character as much as it is of so-called 'revolutionary justice'.  Both are worthy of our contempt for the part they played in Hoveyda's untimely demise.

No one ever accused Hoveyda

No one ever accused Hoveyda of being a "dozd" and he wasn't.
He made mistakes, but who hasn't?
But, some of those mistakes were extremely costly for Iran, the people, and for him too.
When someone is in a position of such power
as he was, he owes it to the people he was responsible for, to do what is in their best interest, he had a fiduciary obligation......... Idealist thinking? -- Yes, definitely!

Kindly name individuals who have been in a position of power and have actually acted for the people, in recent years. (anywhere in the world)

All in all, he was a much better man than
many of the others, and may he RIP.
But NONE of them deserved the horrific treatment they received.

Hoveyda was Proof that Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was an idiot

Hoveyda tried to help the Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi.

Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was an idiot.

History has shown that Hoveyda was a scape goat for the Iranian Monarchy's dictatorship.

Thank God the Monarchy was abolished on the 11 February 1979.

The Monarchy will never return to Iran.

For more than 2500 years Iran was under the rule of Barbaric kings.

In 1979, Iranians revolted.

In 1979, the Iranian Revolution was a success.

Hopefully, Iran will one day be a 100% Democratic Republic with freedoms like Amsterdam.

The Pahlavis are theives. They sent trillions Iranian Rials to foreign banks. They stole a lot of money.

to the Pahlavis I say, "Give back Iran's money". Give back the money of the Iranian people.

The Pahlavis have no shame. They are disgusting.

the Shah gave up Bahrain. The Shah was a traitor.

Look at the mirror...

Some people are waking up to realize that one does not lose his shirt in promise of receiving a jacket from the biggest liars like khomeini and his gang.

But some still pro-IRI/pro-revolution folks want to hang on to their failed ideology of 70's, regurgitating khomeini's lies and deceits and propagandas in support of their failed position or no solution, instead of accepting that we fell for a fraud at heavy long-lasting cost to a majority of people. Had we stayed with imperfect pahlavi regime, maybe it would have improved by now, and had it not improved we would have at least been as good as any persian gulf arab state which iranians are now dreaming of migrating to.

Amir Abbas Hoveyda

‫درود بر روان پاک امير عباس هویدا

درود بر روان پاک امير عباس هویدا  

take over by the Monarchiest

It sad to say but another one bites the dust. This website used to be a place for new ideas but alas, it speeding to the abyss. be happy with your regurgitation